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(Some Guy)   Do you use picture passwords in WIndows 8? Hope you cleaned your screen   (uncoveror.com) divider line 87
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2012-12-14 09:19:57 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: This is a problem on all touch OS's
/Happened on iOS
//Happened on Android


It is a serious bug in Windows 8 since everybody hates Micro$oft. WIN 8 SUCKS BALLZ.

//do not look at your iPhone or Android phone, rules do not apply
 
2012-12-14 10:03:13 PM
Why would someone want to break into Windows 8? That's like intentionally moving to Detroit.
 
2012-12-14 10:04:08 PM
So, it's a non-issue on phones because you touch your phone all the time and are going to smudge way more than the password area. It's a non-issue on Win8 devices because the picture moves each time putting the smudge in a different place. Glad we got that cleared up.
 
2012-12-14 10:04:10 PM

King Something: [krui.fm image 450x730]
[petesmedia.com image 600x600]
[www.ret-monitor.com image 450x326]
[www.501neg.com image 531x400]


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

I refute you thus.
 
2012-12-14 10:15:21 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: Common sense is hacking now?


Yes, as proven by the asinine lifehacker website
 
2012-12-14 10:31:28 PM
Once I read this, it immediately became completely glaringly obvious. Hell, a great example: For the longest time, my friend's cell phone was kept by the local Best Buy as an example. Before they had the capacitive screens, she had worn down her touch screen to the point that there were thirty or so little scratch patches in a perfect QWERTY pattern. They used it to show people what happened if you didn't buy the screen protectors.
 
2012-12-14 10:45:02 PM
What's funny about this: my computer guy told me not to use the picture password for my new Windows 8 for just this reason..

/I really do need to find an excuse to give him a 'slurpee'
 
2012-12-14 10:49:27 PM
Fingerprint reader/???
 
2012-12-14 10:52:45 PM
Use a little piece of sponge to unlock your screen(or a stylus[made with sponge, like mine?]). Wash/replace it often.
 
2012-12-14 10:53:46 PM

redly1: Fingerprint reader/???


my HP laptop has the fingerprint reader on it and I have to tell ya I like it, BUT you have to be almost exact in your swipe..
 
2012-12-14 11:09:53 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Picture passwords are for idiots. I always use 1-2-3-4-5


I have the same combination on my luggage!
 
2012-12-14 11:18:50 PM

Kazahmish: redly1: Fingerprint reader/???

my HP laptop has the fingerprint reader on it and I have to tell ya I like it, BUT you have to be almost exact in your swipe..


I've had a few, and here are my tips for that.

1) Figure out your natural swipe angle If you swipe a little bit skewed, and the picture isn't skewed, it'll kick you out.
2) When you're making the fingerprint, roll your finger differently each time. Not a lot, but to the point where it gets a picture of most of the bottom of your finger.

/First or second swipe
 
2012-12-14 11:47:12 PM
I can't stand when people touch my monitors. Drives me nuts to have nasty fingerprints all over them. Now Microsoft wants me to do it on purpose?

fark that noise.
 
2012-12-15 12:18:29 AM
Like the Cheetos stains on the keyboard weren't a dead giveaway already.
 
2012-12-15 12:21:30 AM
This just in, water is wet.
 
2012-12-15 12:22:02 AM

pudding7: I can't stand when people touch my monitors. Drives me nuts to have nasty fingerprints all over them. Now Microsoft wants me to do it on purpose?

fark that noise.


My friend has a habit of tapping the damn monitor with his farking fingernails
 
2012-12-15 12:28:55 AM
Read this article six years ago... so old.

They're just trying to find ways to make you wear out the touch screen so you have to buy another unit.
 
2012-12-15 12:29:25 AM

styckx: "hacked"

Tracing smudges is not hacking..


Thank you. Christ, I hate when people misuse that word.
 
2012-12-15 12:34:28 AM

c4rr0tc4k3: I have never signed in just to not do anything. So... additional residue is left behind after use.


ew.
 
2012-12-15 01:20:20 AM
This isn't a new problem. Hell, I helped a client access her Android a couple years ago using the pattern lock because I saw the smudges. :)
 
2012-12-15 02:02:32 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: Common sense is hacking now?


It's a goddamned superpower these days
 
2012-12-15 02:58:15 AM

Tenatra: Don't want to learn ANY oils on your screen? Get a pair of Isotoner Smartouch gloves.
The conductive fingertips will also allow you to keep your hands warm in inclement weather.

[www.smartouchgloves.com image 716x469]

/bought a pair for my fiancee
//she loves em



Holy crap, they made Ali G's ice cream cone gloves, but for the hi-tech crowd.
 
2012-12-15 03:05:48 AM

Christian Bale: Tenatra: Don't want to learn ANY oils on your screen? Get a pair of Isotoner Smartouch gloves.
The conductive fingertips will also allow you to keep your hands warm in inclement weather.

[www.smartouchgloves.com image 716x469]

/bought a pair for my fiancee
//she loves em


Holy crap, they made Ali G's ice cream cone gloves, but for the hi-tech crowd.


I bet the inside of her gloves smells horrible.
 
2012-12-15 03:36:23 AM
Answer: No, because no one willingly uses windows 8.

sweetpeteman: Because People in power are Stupid: Why do the pictures have to appear in the same place everytime?

I thought that was the whole idea, but I guess not. Any of the slide password type things are susceptible to this. I remember laughing at a friend who had one of the dots one that we could easily see the pattern on.


Wait, the slide things are supposed to be for security? I assumed they were a "lock" in the sense of "this keeps you from reaching into your pocket for a pen and accidentally dialing your mother from your pocket while loudly negotiating prices with a prostitute". I didn't realize that people are dumb enough to think they're passwords in the literal sense.
 
2012-12-15 04:18:25 AM
I have a Surface tablet and I know the password, and I still get it wrong at least twice every time. that thing is fairly sensitive to size and length. It isn't as much of an "approximate gesture" as you would think.
 
2012-12-15 04:28:45 AM
It's enough trouble having over 100 passwords on the internet; I'm not putting one on my computer. Whoever gets their hands on my 700$ device can enjoy it without the ten minute hack it'll take to remove the password.
 
2012-12-15 06:43:40 AM

baorao: I have a Surface tablet and I know the password, and I still get it wrong at least twice every time. that thing is fairly sensitive to size and length. It isn't as much of an "approximate gesture" as you would think.


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2012-12-15 07:16:49 AM
Except, of course, that you need more than the final image to crack the password. You need the sequence in which the pattern was drawn. Unless you are dealing with a simpleton, it's about as hard to decipher as a password in which you know which buttons were pressed, but not the sequence.

For simple patterns, all that's required is brute force an ignorance. For longer sequences, you are pretty much back to rubber hose cryptanalysis.
 
2012-12-15 07:32:40 AM

styckx: "hacked"

Tracing smudges is not hacking..


Then, what is? What is your definition of hacking?

DeathByGeekSquad: Common sense is hacking now?


Yours too.

I'll say I'd call this specific activity 'cracking' which is a subcategory of hacking that is exploiting a vulnerability in a system to gain access, but its definitely a successful attack against a security model that didn't anticipate it.
 
2012-12-15 08:59:36 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Picture passwords are for idiots. I always use 1-2-3-4-5


Agree!
 
2012-12-15 09:48:01 AM
This just in.....your portable device is not secure.

Your picture password is enough to stop your d-bag friends from messing with it if you leave it on the table. That's about it.
 
2012-12-15 02:48:38 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: This just in.....your portable device is not secure.

Your picture password is enough to stop your d-bag friends from messing with it if you leave it on the table. That's about it.


Haven't "butt dialed" since I started using it.
 
2012-12-15 04:47:58 PM
This is not a "hack" and the picture passwords have a higher statistical confidence than typed passwords or pin numbers. The research is over a decade old and has seen intense usability and scientific scrutiny. THere were "tablets" in 1995 that had this ability. There were touch screen kiosks at zoo's, night clubs, cashier's machines at any given store, I literally can't run out of examples from memory and we NEVER had a big news item this method was a security vulnerability. In over a decade.

That is why this is not a link to some MIT security research, or some black hat crushing blow vulnerability revelation at a press conference. It's just a link to some jack ass'es web page. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to know that some random web user's anectdotal computer forensics is hardly warrant to condemn the software, the devices, and the method across the board.

Besides, not keeping your hands clean before using a touch screen (yea, the oil is not apparent if you do that) is about as irresponsible as typing your password one key at a time in plainview of somebody. And if you get the screen protectors for most of the devices, the oil can be wiped off right away or in my experience just smudges up a whole bunch obscuring the image. btw,. : Android's PIN or image passwords have the same farking vulnerability. Why no critics weighing in on this? Oh, duh. Either submitter, moderator, page author, or all three, just don't like Microsoft.

Stop green lighting all this ridiculous anti-MS bullshiat on the geek page, Fark. It's so frequent I'm starting to question the motivation behind it. Like it's not just cultural, it could be ... fiscal....
 
2012-12-15 07:20:12 PM

syrynxx: Why would someone want to break into Windows 8? That's like intentionally moving to Detroit.


Hmm... when I was a kid, my dad was working on a project with GM and considered moving the family to Detroit. Glad that didn't work out, but last time I visited, he was showing me how Windows 8 worked on his laptop. Yikes.
 
2012-12-16 04:22:33 AM
I use connect the dots on Android, it's very obvious what the pattern is, but it's still hard to butt dial the exact pattern.
 
2012-12-17 01:12:24 PM

Kazan: Free Radical: Can't you just use your mouse?

picture password was designed for touch devices. i'm not sure if mouse is supported. never cared to look.


It is and does.
 
2012-12-17 01:17:27 PM

JosephFinn: Tenatra: Don't want to learn ANY oils on your screen? Get a pair of Isotoner Smartouch gloves.
The conductive fingertips will also allow you to keep your hands warm in inclement weather.

[www.smartouchgloves.com image 716x469]

/bought a pair for my fiancee
//she loves em

Hey, thanks! I was just thinking about gloves like these this morning with cold finally hitting Chicago. Pretty good prices on Amazon too.


Being up in the Tundra, these things are a life saver. I picked up the 12 AE ones last winter and love 'em
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