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2012-12-14 03:49:34 PM
23 votes:
Pssst...to any young kids reading Fark today in elementary school. First of all, you shouldn't be on this site, it's nasty. But second of all, when you go home tonight, you can pretty much write your own farking check. Have your folks been hemming and hawing about that puppy or bicycle or Xbox you really want for Christmas? Now's your chance. Just put on those big, wet anime eyes, and say something cute like, "I wuv you mommy," or "Can we have pasketti for dinner," and then drop a little hint about great it would be to have a bike or puppy or Xbox, and how happy it would make you and it sure would be a shame if Something Bad happened to you before you got a chance to enjoy it. Also, you got a pretty good shot at ice cream for dessert tonight.
2012-12-14 03:50:01 PM
7 votes:
I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.
2012-12-14 03:48:14 PM
6 votes:

mayIFark: How much farking more blood you want?


media.giantbomb.com

all of it.
2012-12-14 03:42:06 PM
6 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-14 03:43:16 PM
5 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

No, Ryan Lanza is dead and his brother is being held for questioning.


-Listen Betty, don't start up with your Ryan Lanza shiat again.

-Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
2012-12-14 03:38:01 PM
5 votes:
We should reassign the TSA to protect our public schools.
2012-12-15 03:36:35 AM
4 votes:
At this point in time information is coming in fast and we understand that you may want to link to a Facebook page or other information about the shooter.  Please try to refrain from doing so.  It is personal information, and it may link to innocent people unrelated to this tragedy.  Thank you for your consideration. 
2012-12-14 05:25:25 PM
4 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: sprawl15: Lots of people are blaming guns, but why is nobody blaming violent video games or violent movies?

Because you'd have to throw the box pretty f*cking hard to kill someone with a DVD.


i.imgur.com
2012-12-14 03:53:10 PM
4 votes:
THIS ISN'T ABOUT *GUNS*!


www.thebuzzmedia.com

/he could have used his bare hands.
2012-12-14 03:52:04 PM
4 votes:

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


i have bail money.
2012-12-14 06:57:30 PM
3 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-12-14 04:22:13 PM
3 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-12-14 04:14:37 PM
3 votes:
Is Omarion OK?
2012-12-14 03:41:00 PM
3 votes:

amquelbettamin: How about we post the happiest moments in our lives instead of talking about this evil?


Sure. I got married 22 months.

Am getting divorced sometime in March.

/amidoinitright?
2012-12-14 10:05:39 PM
2 votes:
Lets not forget the real victims of today's tragic events.

i.imgur.com
2012-12-14 07:22:52 PM
2 votes:

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


On the 8pm news "Shocking story of some pervert chasing down random children and hugging them"
2012-12-14 04:25:32 PM
2 votes:

Carn: Noticeably F.A.T.: Carn: Like it's not valid to talk about gun control when 18 kids get shot in a rampage?

How about we try to figure out why people do stupid shiat like this and see if we can't stop they before they get going? Nah, that's just crazy. I don't know what came over me there. Let's continue trying focusing on the tools instead of the users. It hasn't worked in the past, but that just means it about to start working.

A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.


What about a gun that shoots hammers, genius?
2012-12-14 03:51:53 PM
2 votes:

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


I hope you enjoy jail.
2012-12-14 03:47:55 PM
2 votes:

Tax Boy: Dusk-You-n-Me: Video: Obama's statement. Link

Transcript: Here


Did he mention a possible terrorist attack?
2012-12-14 03:46:07 PM
2 votes:
Unfortunate Yahoo trending placement:


01 School shooting in Connecticut
02 Best Funeral Ever
2012-12-14 03:43:54 PM
2 votes:
Obviously, schools and breeding are at fault here. Guns are a sacred right, education and procreation are not. Do away with public schools and stop having children, and those bullets pass harmlessly into the landscape.

...
2012-12-14 03:39:03 PM
2 votes:

Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.


A second Lanza has just hit the.....

/I can't even finish this.
2012-12-14 03:38:39 PM
2 votes:
Did he use a .88 Magnum?
2012-12-14 03:38:24 PM
2 votes:
This is what happens when you let Jedi be a religion.
2012-12-15 09:09:09 PM
1 votes:

Haliburton Cummings: [big, bold, edgy awing]


thx4 not shooting up a school.
2012-12-15 08:57:46 PM
1 votes:
man, i'm still in mourning over some other complete strangers from another country so this..THIS is just
emotionally draining...

then i hear something about some place called Palestine or Israel or someplace and it reminds of this place called the Balkans...man..then it just gets too much..

i sure hope some white girl doesn't go missing over christmas because then i will just loooooooossseeee it...


my ghoulish and self indulgent condolences go out to all those who i will never meet...

i should get on the comments sections of the local papers and address my prayers to people in a very personal way...from halfway across the country...

"we will miss you Tina...you were loved.." etc etc


get on with it.

/sad kid with sad life kills innocent people.
//go home with your satellite trucks and your rubbernecks
///this post brought to you by TIDE: we can get the blood out. now back to Harry with the weather..
2012-12-15 01:52:01 PM
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Kit Fister: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: We shouldn't have to give up anything. Right now we are parking ambulances at the bottom of the cliff and preparing to clean up the carnage. Some people think we should post someone at the top of the cliff to stop people from driving off of it. What we really need to do is provide a society where nobody ever feels the need to drive their car off of the cliff in the first place. I am not sure that is possible, but I would rather work towards that than take everyone's car keys away.

This this this this this this.

'Twas adapted from the book Influencer: The Power to Change Anything. Highly reusable metaphor.


So you want a society free of mentally ill people? Either your gonna need Obamacare on steroids or a decent eugenics program. Either way, it would be simpler to make it harder to get guns, especially handguns.
2012-12-15 12:44:54 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Popcorn Johnny: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: msnbc said he was in some kind of altercation with four individuals at the school on Thursday

CNN just asked the sheriff that and he said he had no information on it.

I heard the CIA actually brainwashed him into doing it. One of the teachers Knew Something and this was all a cover.


Well it's more complicated than that...

1) The flouride in the water primes the blood so that it can produce the metabolites.
2) The chemicals in the contrails from the airplanes activate the metabolites.
3) The binders in the flu vaccine bind the activated metabolites to the blood plasma.
4) The fluxors in the antidepressant medications prep the metabolites and direct them to the brain.
5) The Emergency Broadcast System tests program the date, time, location and target of the false flag operation and activate the killing agent.

And the rest is history. Try to keep up.
2012-12-15 06:16:55 AM
1 votes:
I want to enrage all of you. I want to change the subject of guns v no guns.

I want to say something very VERY wrong and say, Well,

Toys for Tots should make quite a haul in that town this season........

Thank goodness for anonymous posting
2012-12-15 05:47:21 AM
1 votes:

styckx: So I woke up this morning to read this.

A member of Lanza's family told investigators that he had a form of autism

For farks sakes.. Really.. We're going here now? One day later and we're already at name dropping autism?


Autism is a gateway disorder. First autism, then socialism, and then communism or even fascism! Nip in the bud before it gets out of control.
2012-12-15 04:52:27 AM
1 votes:

davidphogan: cegorach: SOMETHING ELSE CATEGORISED AS AN ASSAULT WEAPON

Wrong again.

He used two handguns by the way. But don't let facts get in the way of your freakout.


Was I referring to him?

No.

But don't let reading comprehension get in the way of you being a twat.
2012-12-14 11:55:36 PM
1 votes:

SubBass49: Given that people who knew this shooter KNEW that he was off his rocker, I'd like to see "mandated reporter laws" extended to all adults age 18 and up. Know a psycho? Report them for treatment ASAP or your ass is getting locked up when they do some crazy shiat.


We should extend that to people who know drug dealers and cops who know of dirty cops.... and something something in one hand with something something in the other.

REMEMBER THAT TIME WHEN ALL I WANTED WAS A PEPSI AND YOU INSISTED THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG SO YOU CALLED THAT NUMBER????? WELL FARKING DO YA!!!???

We lock people up when the DNA evidence doesn't match up and the defendent was doing a 6 month tour on the international space station when the crime was committed...and you want to leave it up to fellow citizens, which includes farkers, to report eachother? How many deaths are you trying to cause?
2012-12-14 11:54:22 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: Richard Flaccid: iq_in_binary: Fire is the most effective tool in the toolbox of spree killers.

Sadly, you can by by 500 round boxes of matches at just about any hardware store.

not only that, but chains, padlocks, high capacity fuel containers, fuel itself, can even carry loaded fuel containers in motor vehicles and near schools. no background check, no age limits, no limits on stockpiling.



And that's why mentally unstable people should have unlimited access to pre-made weaponry.

It all makes perfect sense.
2012-12-14 10:50:22 PM
1 votes:
Because I must:

imageshack.us 


You're most welcome.
2012-12-14 10:29:28 PM
1 votes:
have you heard the word ?
At this point in time information is coming in fast and we understand that you may want to link to a Facebook page or other information about the shooter. Please try to refrain from doing so. It is personal information, and it may link to innocent people unrelated to this tragedy. Thank you for your consideration.
2012-12-14 09:55:47 PM
1 votes:
wow this thread is a boatload full of pissed off crazy. How did a bunch of dead kids turn into bat-shipity do da let's fire ALL THE GUNS!!
2012-12-14 09:50:45 PM
1 votes:

Moonfisher: Whether you are left or right, freeperville is off the charts. Gay marriage causes this. Also not teaching your kids to cook. My brain hurts now.


Mikey1969: cegorach: Mikey1969: cegorach: Mikey1969: cegorach: Mikey1969: sirbissel: Mikey1969: chuckufarlie: This tragedy would not have happened if the guy was armed with a hunting knife. Guns make it much easier to kill lots of people in a short time.

Explain that to the dead and wounded from all of the knife attacks in schools in China, one that actually happened today.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-scho o l.html "China stabbing spree hurts 22 schoolchildren"

Somehow I think everyone would rather that the 20 kids were only hurt.

The point is the same one other people are trying to make, it's not guns, it's people. This isn't the first time this has happened there, not even the second, and usually people die. The problem lies in someone who can justify killing a bunch of people that they don't know and have no connection to, no matter how they do it.

And the points you are wilfully ignoring are:

a) Guns make it a whole lot easier to kill
b) Guns make it a whole lot easier to kill a lot of people
c) The extra effort required for non-gun methods is an effective barrier to stopping crazies in many cases (as every sane nation can attest)
d) Guns make it a whole lot easier to kill
e) Guns make it a whole lot easier to kill a lot of people

Your argument is pants on head retarded in the first instance and even more so when you spend five seconds stacking it up against well known facts.

That you even repeat the 'guns don't kill people...' mantra simply warns people around you that you are a brainwashed simpleton.

And you either can't see the forest for the trees, you're a complete retard, or you're a total asshole so intent on pushing an agenda that you wouldn't care how many died or were injured, just as long as it was one less than with a gun. I won't be judgemental, I'll let you decide which of the above applies to you.

One last question for you: If knives are so inefficient, how was this guy able to knife 22 kids before he was stopp ...


Mikey, you pants-on-head retard:

NO CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN CHINA

NONE

NOT ONE OR MORE

NOT MORE THAN ZERO

LESS THAN ONE

now shut up and go play with your Glock in the corner.
2012-12-14 09:37:23 PM
1 votes:

iq_in_binary: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: iq_in_binary: chuckufarlie: Kazrath: thisispete: GORDON: Hey is it too soon in this thread to nail these dead children to crosses in the name of politicizing gun control?

If there isn't to be a conversation about gun control now, when is it going to happen? What is the window on that? Because this kind of thing happens all too frequently.

Why? Gun control is not the issue. Gun control is a bandaid. Way not to talk about the real issue which is mental illness, poverty and brainwashing.

because a crazy guy sitting at home in his chair is just a crazy guy. A crazy guy with an arsenal is a mass murderer.

See the difference?

I'd rather he have guns than be forced to look at the alternatives. Quite frankly, the fact that these sickos turn to guns first is a GOOD thing. Otherwise they'd look for other alternatives, and find them. You know what the difference is between a meth lab and a TNT lab? The reagents for a TNT cook are far easier to get (boat hull cleaner and wood finish), the synthesis is safer than meth, and the process far simpler.

It's an issue that needs to be solved, but their mental health is what needs to be addressed, not their access to firearms. Because frankly, I'd rather hear about some guy shooting up a place and maybe killing a few people than blowing up the damned building and killing ALOT of people.

If guns and TNT labs are so interchangeable, then let's repeal the 2nd amendment. We can build a TNT lab easily and quickly if we need to fight tyranny.

"If Gay Marriage and Civil Unions are so interchangeable, let's scrap the whole pursuit for marriage equality. Civil unions are plenty equal enough."

Try to remember we're talking about a subject in which a LOT of people are talking about turning 70 MILLION of us into criminals for no other reason than exercising a right we thought we had enumerated for us in the Bill of Rights. Every now and then apply a different filter to the argument you're making to see if you'd hold the same view. If you can't, you might want to revise your argument.


We don't want to turn cowardly chicken-hawk assholes like you into criminals, we want you all to move to Somalia so we sane people can live in peace. Odds are you are probably a criminal already anyways.
2012-12-14 09:31:56 PM
1 votes:
did mike huckabee really say that the shooting happened because god wasn't in schools?
2012-12-14 09:22:24 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: evaned: Kit Fister: I'm open to the possibility, but using your analogy, if the design flaw is that the toilets flush with too much pressure, then does that preclude blaming the pilot that deliberately chose to crash the plane?

I have a suspicion you'll be hard pressed to find someone saying we shouldn't blame the shooter; what gets me annoyed is comments like this, re. the knife attack in China:

Mikey1969: The point is the same one other people are trying to make, it's not guns, it's people. This isn't the first time this has happened there, not even the second, and usually people die. The problem lies in someone who can justify killing a bunch of people that they don't know and have no connection to, no matter how they do it.

Stuff like this seems to me like it's saying "some people are evil so there's no point in gun control because they'll still attack" while ignoring the blatantly obvious fact that guns make it way easier to kill people.

Kit Fister: As these arguments that come up every time these tragedies happen show, BOTH sides have facts that, when amalgamated and studied as part of a larger picture, show that something IS wrong but it's NOT something that either side directly acknowledges or believes is important.

Or that the different sides like to highlight different aspects of. For instance, is it guns? Media? Access to mental health and social stigmatization of mental problems? Culture? In reality it seems like it's probably some combination of them, but in what mix? And what should we do about it? How do you change culture? Taking an anti-gun stance for a second, maybe since we can't be sure of what the root cause is or what to do about it, maybe working on a symptom and making it harder to get guns will at least help?

Kit Fister: But, instead we'll plod along, accepting that it's okay to make games that involve mass murder, rape, gore, blood, and so on because of free speech, continue to make movies that glorify violence and so on, and continue to focus on ourselves and not on properly parenting our children, and instead blame the guns and ban them, just like we blame high-fat fast food and junk food for our obesity epidemic instead of looking closely at who the fark is stuffing their face.

And I actually think the obesity thing is an interesting discussion too, and in some ways parallel the gun control debate as you seem to suggest there. (And I suspect we are somewhat on different sides of that as well.) For instance, the obesity rate in the US has gone up dramatically over the last couple decades. (Link: scroll to the map at the bottom.) You can shout about how it's personal choice and why should the government get involved and stuff like that until your throat is hoarse, but I'll still think that's only half the story; it's not like our country's genetics have suddenly and abruptly went off of a cliff, something at a societal level has happened that has caused the problem. And because of that, I think focusing on individuals ("exercise more!" "eat less!") is doomed to fail, and to solve the problem it's necessary to look at what society-wide shifts have occurred -- and that it's very possible that fixing those shifts will require some sort of government intervention. Maybe not NYC "you can't offer this soda", but maybe limiting the quantity or types of products that sugar and HFCS is added to. Or maybe NYC has the right idea.

Unfortunately a lot of illiterate people on Fark tonight... I'll explain this one more time.

Most (I won't say 'all' because some people really are nuts) people are trying to point out not that guns don't kill people, we're trying to show that people are still getting attacked in large numbers even where guns are 100% illegal. Until people are willing to admit that the problem goes deeper than guns, the problem will still exist.

Sure, you'll go to sleep tonight convinced that you made a difference, but it won't change anything. This problem needs to be looked at from more than one direction, that's all there is to it.

I'm not trying to excuse anyone, I'm trying to point out that this issue is like an ogre, it's got layers. Using the 'ban all guns' argument is about the same as washing the outside of an onion, it makes it look clean and pretty, but the onion isn't really any closer to getting in that salad.


Another White Knight for guns has been heard from.

So run down and buy some more today!

You can't have too many!

It's the perfect Christmas gift!

Get them now before Obama or one of the many hidden conspiracies against you come to take them away!
2012-12-14 08:29:20 PM
1 votes:
Mostly the same tired, invalid arguments for no gun control in here.

The new stupid deflection though is "better mental health!" Yes, that may help a little. Lets force everyone with a mental disorder to remain locked up in a psych ward until they promise to not kill anyone.

I really believe you're being honest too when you're vehemently against gun control as 'facism' but advocate forced institutionalization... The best part would be when you gun nuts realize you're the ones getting institutionalized. Thinking you need multiple guns to defend yourself is definitely wa trait of a deranged mind.
2012-12-14 08:19:45 PM
1 votes:

FriarReb98: So I've avoided this subject since about 1 this afternoon. Forget for one moment that I know how to read the rest of these threads, and just let me know how far off the derpwagon have we gone in here?


There's a lot of support for free mental health care and mandatory arming of kindergarten teachers.
No one wants to give up their hobby.
2012-12-14 08:19:27 PM
1 votes:

RealFarknMcCoy2: way south: JungleBoogie: Because DOING NOTHING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THIS TIME."


Heard this kind of talk a few years back.
Everyone was passionate to do something, anything, to prevent a new tragedy.

This is what we did.

[dl.dropbox.com image 420x312]

[dl.dropbox.com image 470x290]

/Action based on emotion instead of reason is not going to get the change you're looking for.

ACTUALLY, we had a similar tragedy in Australia a few years back that prompted a change in gun control which is much stricter. It was implemented by the CONSERVATIVE government, with the full support of the Labor Party (another, slightly less conservative party). We now have meaningful gun control, which, while not perfect, certainly beats the hell out of what you've got in the US.


Australia is not The good ol USofA. Trying to force 51% of the population to give up the majority of its firearms would kick start that civil war we have all been dying for. Hell the queen tells you guys to give up drinking and you would probably do it. If the government told the average citizens of the U.S that fire is painfull then half the populace would get in water and never get out and the other half would douse itself in gasoline and light a match in defiance. Please outlaw guns in the UsA, the TV coverage that would follow until the next election when it would be repealed will be absolutely EPIC.
2012-12-14 08:01:46 PM
1 votes:
We need to get God back in our schools.

At least these little angels will be with Jesus for Christmas. Praise the Lord. The dead are the blessed ones.
2012-12-14 07:53:49 PM
1 votes:

Mija: Today In china 22 elementary students were stabbed to death. Things like this will happen even if all the guns in the world were destroyed. A determined person will find a weapon. My sister once stabbed my dad with a fork.


And that's why everyone should have guns.

Because knives exist.

But if knives are exactly the same as guns then why shouldn't we ban some guns? People can just use assault knives to defend their home.
2012-12-14 07:39:56 PM
1 votes:
Has anybody mentioned that Mike Huckabee is an ass? Also, I can't handle this so I'm going to go talk to 6 philosophers and pass out.
2012-12-14 07:24:03 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Pokey.Clyde: Why do all of you gun grabbers always spout off this stupid, tired argument?

It's not a stupid argument at all. The 2nd amendment was written for a very specific purpose that no longer exists today.


But, Red Dawn!
2012-12-14 07:19:12 PM
1 votes:
Hooray for well regulated Militias!
2012-12-14 07:17:27 PM
1 votes:

IRQ12: Why is it that "gun people" on the internet always come off as smug, condescending pricks? Do they somehow believe that their possession and knowledge of weapons somehow makes then more intelligent?

Serious question, I see it all over the internet. Did the smug and condescending attitude exist before the weapons or is it because of the weapons.


I dunno, but I'm pretty sure I've perfected "smug and condescending" without owning any guns.
2012-12-14 07:16:42 PM
1 votes:
Gosh some of you guys are real dicks
2012-12-14 07:15:04 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: ordinarysteve: a shotgun is a firearm and can be used to protect one's family. it isn't as effective for murdering classrooms full of kids. i don't see what part of that is confusing you

What's the AC on a "classroom full of kids"? Do they get a saving throw against projectiles? Because something tells me that a shotgun can easily kill a child.

Sorry if I'm being a dick here. But we're talking about a psychopath who killed children. Defenseless children. Virtually any weapon will kill anything if it can't defend itself. It's a prima facie thing.


Oh it's worse than that.

Shotguns are GREAT at mowing down enclosed areas full of unarmored targets at close quarters combat. The spreading action of the pellets tends to mean that you need to think about aiming a lot less, and there's a greater shock and awe factor that may terrify the rest of the room, giving the shooter plenty of time to pick his next target.

That's why they were loved so much by Americans facing WWII trench warfare (a trench being, tactically speaking, not unlike a roofless corridor in the dirt), and Vietnam tunnel rats, all the way up to today's shotguns for tactical breaching operations.

(what they can't do is penetrate armor, be accurate at long distances, or reload quickly-but that means precisely jack if your plan of the day is "kick open classroom door full of unprepared victims and slaughter everything inside")
2012-12-14 07:04:19 PM
1 votes:

chuckufarlie: 2wolves: Who is standing up for the Rights of these children? Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Freedom.

pursuit of happiness. That whole liberty thing covers freedom.


Liberty? Sounds like something invented by liberals.
2012-12-14 06:55:09 PM
1 votes:
Man, its a really bad year to be named Sandy.

I don't anymore, but if I did have a friend named Sandy, I would give him or her a big hug and explain the chaotic nature of our universe.
2012-12-14 06:51:23 PM
1 votes:
img194.imageshack.us

/so glad I don't live in the U.S.
2012-12-14 06:42:14 PM
1 votes:

Zik-Zak: "...a Sig Sauer, a Glock 9 and a Bushmaster rifle were found at the scene."

All legal.

I'll buy the self-defense crock, but what civilian fecking needs THREE firearms!?


I owned the 1888 Mauser for historical interest. Same, really, for the 1954 Moshin Nagant (from North Korea). The Taurus PT92 handgun I owned because I used to live near a handgun range and it was fun to go shooting. And, in theory, it's the self-defense weapon. The shotgun I bought because I found I liked trap shooting. The AR-15 I bought because of zombies, man. Zombies.
2012-12-14 06:29:46 PM
1 votes:
The Second Amendment: Ratified December 15, 1791
"Protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms,,,"

Fine, in 1791, this was a firearm:
thespecialistsltd.com
You want a black powder muzzle loader? No problem.
Anything else, you go to jail for a long, long time.
Seems fair.
2012-12-14 06:15:07 PM
1 votes:

USP .45: jbezorg: You are talking about psychological profiling all potential gun owner applicants and keeping those profiles in a national database?

You tell me how you think the anti-gun control lobby is going to react to that?

A database of people that would be mentally unsafe to purchase a firearm right along side the existing database that prevents criminals, wife beaters, druggies and drunks from purchasing firearms?

Seems "sensible."

Seems "reasonable."

Nope, the anti-gun lobby would have a shiatfit. As would the ACLU.

Keep blaming the NRA though.


Well, who's heavily funding the anti-gun control lobby?
2012-12-14 06:14:46 PM
1 votes:
2012-12-14 06:01:40 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: It doesn't matter what weapon was used


See. Nothing can be done! How dare I for even suggesting such a thing! Fetch me the fainting couch!
2012-12-14 05:51:55 PM
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: The people who fight and lobby and legislate to make guns regularly available are complicit in the murder of those children.


i116.photobucket.com
2012-12-14 05:49:12 PM
1 votes:
Well...that's people for ya...

/further fires my hatred of humanity.
2012-12-14 05:42:33 PM
1 votes:
Dear Mods,

Any chance you can greenlight the Caturday thread early? Some of us could use the cuteness right about now.

Sincerely,
ariseatex
2012-12-14 05:31:28 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: chuckufarlie: BraveNewCheneyWorld: chuckufarlie: you can use a handgun for self protection. Assault weapons just don't perform that function very well.

For defense while on your own property, they can be preferable to a handgun.

If you cannot defend your property with a handgun, an assault rifle is not going to help. Maybe you should get some target practice so you hit what you aim at,

You know pretty much nothing about guns or real life combat realities. You should probably stop talking, because there's several situations in which a rifle is preferable. For starters, the chance of a one shot kill is dramatically increased. If it's a home invasion involving numerous people, you have the option for larger magazines. If the invaders are wearing body armor, as some do, handgun rounds will not effectively neutralize them. If even trained police officers miss many of their shots in a stress situation, how much more so would an untrained civilian, rifles are naturally easier to aim.


I find it amazing how infrequently I have to defend my home with force.

How farking often do a group of several people carrying weapons storm your home? Why aren't you sleeping in a panic room?
2012-12-14 05:28:22 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Arthur Jumbles: if all the guns simply disappeared they'd find other, more creative ways to kill and I think they might even be more effective


Then it should be very easy for you to give examples of countries with stricter gun laws than the US that still have the same level of mass murders using other weapons. We await your report.


Africa?
2012-12-14 05:23:19 PM
1 votes:

iq_in_binary: Until then, gun owners will point and laugh at people


I'm no expert, but I don't think that's proper gun safety.
2012-12-14 05:21:39 PM
1 votes:

sprawl15: Lots of people are blaming guns, but why is nobody blaming violent video games or violent movies?


Because you'd have to throw the box pretty f*cking hard to kill someone with a DVD.
2012-12-14 05:19:12 PM
1 votes:

pounddawg: Has anyone heard from wholedamnshow again?

2012-12-14 05:18:03 PM
1 votes:

sprawl15: Lots of people are blaming guns, but why is nobody blaming violent video games or violent movies?


Because you can't shoot someone with a video game or movie?
2012-12-14 05:07:02 PM
1 votes:

Orgasmatron138: Advanced civilizations will look back at how so many of us are amused by shooting guns and think of us as primitive.


Your name is Orgasmatron.
2012-12-14 04:58:52 PM
1 votes:

Cpl.D: Someone take the game out of the universe's console, and rub the back of the disc vigorously with a brillo pad.

Because NOBODY wants to play this game ever again. 

/ :(
// :((


Starting that game has been widely regarded as "a bad move."
2012-12-14 04:58:46 PM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2012-12-14 04:58:44 PM
1 votes:

Godscrack: [img835.imageshack.us image 648x484]


Well as long as they are "praying for it" instead of doing anything remotely usefull I guess the NRA will have little to worry about. Then again if Obama starts making really big speeches about gun control then then NRA donations will start flowing in like gods first vengence so probably not what the NRA is "praying for".
2012-12-14 04:58:19 PM
1 votes:

Once again...

thismodernworld.com
2012-12-14 04:57:39 PM
1 votes:
Someone take the game out of the universe's console, and rub the back of the disc vigorously with a brillo pad.

Because NOBODY wants to play this game ever again. 

/ :(
// :((
2012-12-14 04:51:31 PM
1 votes:

AugustWest: letrole: The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitmore, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes

Ah yes. If only things were they way they were 40 years ago.

www.washingtonpost.com



The real take away here is that Star Wars single handledly drove down American violence for a generation.
2012-12-14 04:49:47 PM
1 votes:

dwrash: I disagree.. the only ones you will remove are the legal ones which will embolden the criminals.

I could also run around with a machete and a compound bow and do just as much damage.

For the record, I do not own a single firearm... but I am an archery instructor (mostly kids, recurve bows only).


What a leftist sees when reading your post:

"I teach kids to use bows to kill each other so they can get by metal detectors!"
2012-12-14 04:44:39 PM
1 votes:

Leeds: kev_dog: Carn: A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.

All depends upon who is using it...

Hammers are but a small part of a gun.

Next you'll be badmouthing barrels too?


barrels hold beer, I will never be badmouthing them.
2012-12-14 04:44:32 PM
1 votes:
I'm going to be so glad when the asteroid hits and takes out about 98% of us.
2012-12-14 04:41:27 PM
1 votes:
Asperger's, OCD

Fake illnesses for a farked up society.

The motherfarker was nuts, and he should have been put down like a mad dog, years ago.
2012-12-14 04:41:15 PM
1 votes:

Boudica's War Tampon: Asperger's, OCD and a controlling mother.

It's a refreshing cocktail of doom.

Jeebus.


Always blame the mother. Those controlling womens..
2012-12-14 04:40:17 PM
1 votes:

hillbillypharmacist: wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.

Why would they arrest him?


Because the media gave his name to a bunch of angry parents?
2012-12-14 04:37:39 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: 20 dead children. Jesus, 20 dead FARKING CHILDREN. What worm-eaten excuse for a brain to you have to have that makes you capable of putting a rifle to your shoulder, looking down the sights seeing CHILD's Face and STILLbeing able pull the trigger?! Holy mother of god, how could ANYONE do that no matter how sick or filled with rage?

To all you worthless human beings whose first reaction to a store about a rampage killing of 20 little kids is to worry about whether someone wants to take your gun away, all I can say is FARK YOU, Fark you right in arse with a rusty chainsaw. Spew your paranoid bullshiat another day. Have the decency to mourn today instead


If you'd let us without trying to score some sad political points, we would.
2012-12-14 04:35:59 PM
1 votes:

Imperialism: Can someone link me to a stream of some good coverage of this? Just got home and I am NOT going to CNN for this.


Go to FOX News Channel, they'll bash Obama and politicize this at the same time.
2012-12-14 04:35:34 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: eddievercetti: He killed kids, parents, roommate and maybe his girlfirend

How does somebody that crazy have a girlfriend, and I don't?


Socio paths can be rather charismatic

Charlie Manson.
Jim Jones.


Pat Robertson....
2012-12-14 04:34:40 PM
1 votes:

Ardilla: USP .45: Ardilla: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

ABSOLUTELY THIS.

If now isn't the time to have a discussion about gun control, when will it ever be?

Irony?

It's nutjobs not being reported or examined as nutjobs. It's one civil liberty at odds with another (we need a national database of nutjobs?). Putting laws on the books regarding nutjobs not being allowed to have guns is easy, and has already been done.

So, you're cool with this sort of thing happening over and over again, then?

At minimum, we need to have a national discussion about gun control and, yes, about mental health. But it's long past time for us to enact some sensible guidelines and restrictions.

Wringing our hands yet doing nothing, yet again, is not acceptable.



There's no sense in arguing with him. His mindset is that if the government starts enacting gun control measures, the logical conclusion is that the country will somehow become a police state like nazi germany. His basis for thinking that is because at some point along the line when Hitler was consolidating his iron grip over every facet of the German government and people, he outlawed gun ownership by jews.

You're trying to reason with someone who is utterly convinced that owning a gun is what defines a free person. To him, you might as well be arguing that every U.S. citizen should be tattooed with serial numbers.
2012-12-14 04:33:36 PM
1 votes:
Can someone link me to a stream of some good coverage of this? Just got home and I am NOT going to CNN for this.
2012-12-14 04:16:26 PM
1 votes:

Hand Banana: Oh god, I just realized these kids most likely have presents sitting at home under their trees right now.


That comment is like taking the ending of Grave of the Fireflies and adding a dying puppy to it.
2012-12-14 04:16:05 PM
1 votes:
ihopOVERpancakes:
I like it. My moment (or one of them) was probably learning how to bake with my mom when I was about 7. I had the brilliant idea of turning the mixer on full speed when nothing but flour and sugar was in the bowl... spent a good ten minutes cleaning up the mess.

I wish I'd first done that when I was only 7... instead of, you know, my mid-20's. Cringe.
2012-12-14 04:14:48 PM
1 votes:

USP .45: Ardilla: So, you're cool with this sort of thing happening over and over again, then?

At minimum, we need to have a national discussion about gun control and, yes, about mental health. But it's long past time for us to enact some sensible guidelines and restrictions.

Wringing our hands yet doing nothing, yet again, is not acceptable.

Anytime someone says "sensible" it tells me they have no farking clue about anything.

Say what the sensible guidelines and restrictions are. I already suggested one.


Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.
2012-12-14 04:13:48 PM
1 votes:

eddievercetti: I just heard FOX has some douche blaming video games, of course FOX, go after everything but the crazy!


That's Fox's M.O. They blame something that will offend none of their core viewership but at the same time will let them rhetoric up the angry.
2012-12-14 04:12:16 PM
1 votes:
Oh man. Not again.

Little kids??? God, that's heart breaking.

No one should ever have to bury their child.

/sniff
2012-12-14 04:11:50 PM
1 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: Carn: Like it's not valid to talk about gun control when 18 kids get shot in a rampage?

How about we try to figure out why people do stupid shiat like this and see if we can't stop they before they get going? Nah, that's just crazy. I don't know what came over me there. Let's continue trying focusing on the tools instead of the users. It hasn't worked in the past, but that just means it about to start working.


Sure, speculation sounds like it will lead to more effective prevention than limiting access to guns would.

/no. Not really.
2012-12-14 04:10:47 PM
1 votes:
Confirmed that the gunman killed himself. These @sssholes always do it in the wrong order.
2012-12-14 04:09:18 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: What do they call trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?


Reaganomics.
2012-12-14 04:08:54 PM
1 votes:

Red_Fox: I can't believe you NRA loving motherfarkers coming in here and bashing anyone speaking out against guns.

...today's not the day....my ass it's not. Today is precisely the day to start to change.


Yes, today is the day for one-sided debate. What a tolerate liberal you are.
2012-12-14 04:03:58 PM
1 votes:

cman: My previous message was asking for calm. Now this shall be my official message on what I believe could be done to prevent things like this.

Outlawing or restricting guns, IMO, would be attacking a symptom of a bigger problem. It has become very apparent that we do not spend enough money at a federal level on mental health resources. I believe that increasing federal funds for mental health access would in the long run significantly reduce these kinds of attacks. No one will ever be able to stop mass murder; it has always been in our history. But we can make an impact at prevention if we can find these folk early and give them access to be more mentally stable.

That is the cost of freedom right there; we pay more in taxes and we keep our weapons. Simple.


Too rational. I demand quick, knee-jerk reactions on the part of politicians who know absolutely nothing about the subject they wish to legislate.
2012-12-14 04:03:08 PM
1 votes:

Ardilla: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

ABSOLUTELY THIS.

If now isn't the time to have a discussion about gun control, when will it ever be?


wat, the gun made him do this?

Well I guess it would be easier to go after the gun's involved than what actually drives people to such conclusions. Completely ineffective and pointless in the end (how do you get ALL the guns again?, really? all of them?) but a hellovalot easier right?

You have a major mental health issue in this country, and it involves guns in absolutely no way whatsoever. And you are proof, right here, that the biggest, most dangerous issue this country has ever faced, will never, ever, farking ever be seriously addressed. You are farking this country. You are so focused on the results, and not the symptoms.

If I die of a heart attack with a mcburger stuffed in my mouth, Mcdonalds is NOT to blame. Why in the fark would you blame McDonalds you moron? Sure they made it easier, but its not thier hands doing the stuffing.

This is pontless me trying to explain it to you and the rest i know but I want to believe I at least made the effort before you waste the next decade on yer lil crusades.
2012-12-14 04:03:00 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster


Ahh, so three AK-47s
2012-12-14 04:02:34 PM
1 votes:
The best thing to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.
2012-12-14 04:01:08 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: on those particular points, I will fight you to my last breath. I will not give up my rights for the illusion of safety. I will fight for proper means to deal with the precipitating causes.


What a valiant fight to have
2012-12-14 03:58:47 PM
1 votes:
My daughter just woke up from her nap and I treated her to chocolate chip cookies. My wife gave me The Look™, I told her to turn on the news (while the daughter was doing something else). She came back five minutes later and said I was acquitted of all charges.
2012-12-14 03:58:06 PM
1 votes:

The All-Powerful Atheismo: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The All-Powerful Atheismo: It's a stupid point because those things aren't the same,

They're all preventable. That's how they're the same.

That is ONE way they're the same, that doesn't mean they're exactly the same.

Oh and many of those aren't preventable, so your point is even more worthless.


Um. You won't accept a comparison unless I'm comparing things that are EXACTLY the same? What exactly would the the point of that, genius? I notice people resort to that defense when they have nothing intelligent to say. And yes, they're all preventable too.
2012-12-14 03:57:35 PM
1 votes:
fark it, I'm out

25.media.tumblr.com

/going to start my own planet with blackjack and hookers
2012-12-14 03:55:11 PM
1 votes:
www.arktimes.com


"Clearly today is not the time to talk about gun control.

And neither is tomorrow.

Or the next day.

Or the day after that.

Or the day after that..."
2012-12-14 03:54:42 PM
1 votes:

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


Take candy, kids love taking candy from strangers. And hugs.
2012-12-14 03:53:51 PM
1 votes:

letrole: If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,


As they are with Jesus.
2012-12-14 03:47:10 PM
1 votes:
RIP Lanza 

upload.wikimedia.org
2012-12-14 03:46:41 PM
1 votes:
The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitmore, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes
2012-12-14 03:46:22 PM
1 votes:
BronyMedic:
[Citation Needed] that a CCW has ever stopped a spree shooter in a School or College Campus. It's ALWAYS been people taking action to overwhelm and rush the shooter, or campus police drilling them in the skill. Or they've had their guns jam, or killed themselves.

It's been posted in both the threads on this topic today.
It was posted in the "mall shooter" thread
It has been posted in several gun thread before that.

Your refusal to face reality does not change the facts. They are as a wise man once said, "Stubborn things"

1) ========================================================
Pearl High School in Pearl Mississippi, October 1, 1997.

A 16 year-old student, Luke Woodham, after slitting his mothers throat, showed up at school with a .30-30 rifle and started shooting. Upon hearing the shots, the Principal immediately called 911 seeking help from the Police, as more shots rang out.

Assistant Principal, Joel Myrick, reacted much differently, though. Hearing the shots, he ran to his parked truck and retrieved his own .45 caliber pistol and chased Woodham down, holding him at bay by pointing the loaded weapon right at his face. Woodham stopped his carnage right there.


2) ========================================================
Parker Middle School dance shooting April 24, 1998

Wurst showed up late to the dance, with his father's .25-caliber pistol in a holster belt under his jacket. He had previously left a suicide note under his pillow, and stated to investigators that he planned to go to the dance and kill only himself.[4]

The shooting began on an outdoor patio, about 20 minutes before the dance was scheduled to end, around 9:40. He shot John Gillette ....

...Wurst proceeded to enter Nick's Place, where the dance had been held, and subsequently fired and wounded Edrye Boraten, a teacher and two students, Jacob Tury and Justin Fletcher.[1] The shooting ended when the owner of Nick's Place, James Strand, intervened and confronted Wurst with his shotgun, ordering him to drop his weapon and later holding him at bay for eleven minutes

But lets keep trying it your way. Disarm groups then wonder how bad things happen.

You've stacked all the cards are stacked in your favor and you're still wrong. Your side has setup situations where people are disarmed then puff your chest up and demand evidence victims in that disarmed population defended themselves with guns you took from them.

Columbine -no guns allowed- Cops sat outside while students were being killed yet your side blames gun owners for not stopping the active shooters.

V. Tech -no guns allow- yet hoplophobes hopped in the thread demanding gun owners explain why a law abiding gun owner didn't stop the shooting.

CO Theater -no guns allow- yet your side ridiculed the fact that no gun owner stopped the shooting.

Oregon mall shooting - -no guns allow- yet again (seeing a trend yet?)

The "logic" of your argument is so clearly flawed yet you never stop using it.

We keep trying it your way, with disarmed victim zones. What do they call trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?
2012-12-14 03:44:01 PM
1 votes:
God works in mysterious ways................................
2012-12-14 03:43:00 PM
1 votes:

USP .45: Well Obama just did so go for it.


Shouldn't you be on some NRA site complaining about how everyone hates Whitey without any evidence?
2012-12-14 03:42:51 PM
1 votes:
There is no proper day for politics. Politics is a part of everything we do. If we were there or at the funeral, there is something to be said about not talking about something like that, but this is an internet posting board for chrissakes. Deal with it.
2012-12-14 03:42:48 PM
1 votes:
Westboro Baptist church blaming this on Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalizing same-sex marriages last month in 3...2...1...


/you know those f*ckers will
2012-12-14 03:42:28 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: CNN reporting that shooter's brother found dead in Hoboken.

I thought his bro was in custody, or is this a different sibling? So he killed his mom, his bro is dead in another city. WTF just happened? Maybe the brother committed suicide when he got the news.


Don't worry, I'm sure the major news outlets will clear that up.

/not
2012-12-14 03:41:59 PM
1 votes:
20 kids dead. 18 at scene, 2 at hospital
2012-12-14 03:41:47 PM
1 votes:
All the news agencies are wrong about everything. This is just a game of hide and seek gone wildly out of control.
2012-12-14 03:41:45 PM
1 votes:
Why didn't he just jump off the George Washington Bridge like all the other screwed up nutjobs?
2012-12-14 03:41:24 PM
1 votes:
picture of the shooter:

www.imfdb.org
2012-12-14 03:41:12 PM
1 votes:

KidSock2004: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

If that's true, good LORD did the news outlets fark up


What a farking day to be Ryan Lanza.

"You shot a bunch of people and we're showing everyone your face saying you shot a bunch of people"
"NO I DIDN'T WHAT THE FARK?!"
"Oops yeah our bad you didn't."
"Good, glad that's settled."
"It was your brother."
"..."
2012-12-14 03:40:32 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Fox news just broke the "assault rifle" cherry. Apparently an M4, but that that with a grain of salt. Both weapons were registered to the mother of the shooter, and unless she's a SWAT member, it was a semiautomatic rifle.


He was clearly carrying an AK47 and a Glock.
2012-12-14 03:39:57 PM
1 votes:
Didn't take long.While I was in the break room watching a replay of Obama's press conference, one of the rednecky warehouse guys said "Farking fake tears!" before storming out.
2012-12-14 03:39:55 PM
1 votes:
80,000 people die every year in the U.S. from alcohol related events. Reaction... meh who cares
30,000 from car accidents.. meh
3,000,000 die around the world from std's. meh
16,000 children die each DAY from starvation.. meh
1,000,000 die in the middle east because of a lie.. meh
2012-12-14 03:39:13 PM
1 votes:
Feel that? That's freedom.
2012-12-14 03:39:09 PM
1 votes:

Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.


If that's true, good LORD did the news outlets fark up
2012-12-14 03:38:28 PM
1 votes:
I would like to buy a round for everyone.

Also, cmon, if this wasn't holiday season and everyone wasn't goofing off at work these threads would be dismal and not so busy...

FREE DIRNKS
2012-12-14 03:36:29 PM
1 votes:
Free Zima soup for all
 
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