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2012-12-14 04:43:15 PM

styckx: netweavr: hillbillypharmacist: wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.

Why would they arrest him?

Because the media gave his name to a bunch of angry parents?

Dude is going to be rich soon


Dude is gonna have a farked up life. Mother dead. Brother killed her and a bunch of kids. Media put his face on it for three hours. Christ.
 
2012-12-14 04:43:39 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Carn: A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.

Well, you said so, so it must be true.


Ok, let's quickly list all of the non-violent uses of a gun that would designate it as a tool:

Paperweight? Well that was quick. It's a weapon. It's designed to kill and/or destroy.
 
2012-12-14 04:43:44 PM

eddievercetti: I say good luck to them, the NRA is gonna make sure that law never makes it to print. I wish that wasn't the case.


Periodic Reminder: Bill Clinton promised gun laws, won, signed gun laws, bragged about it, won re-election. The NRA is not all-powerful.

- Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) December 14, 2012
 
2012-12-14 04:43:51 PM

pedrop357: shower_in_my_socks: I'm not just talking about Columbine. I'm talking about all mass shootings. They reach for the guns first because they are the most efficient killing weapons your average, untrained person can get their hands on. Today there was also a mass knife attack at a school in China that got 22 kids stabbed and cut, and yet none of them died. I imagine that Chinese psycho would have much preferred to have done it with a gun, if only he could have found one.

They are the most efficient, effective, etc. right now. Ban them and people will simply replace them with something else and you'll have accomplished little. Small armies in Africa manage to commit mass murders with machetes, fire, starvation, etc. No need for guns to kill large numbers of people.


Small armies. Not ONE DUDE. How many people do you think the Oregon mall shooter would have injured or killed with a machete before four or five people figured it out and all rushed him at once?
 
2012-12-14 04:43:54 PM
Can't bring myself to talk to the kids about this. 4 and 8, don't see the point.
 
2012-12-14 04:43:55 PM
JungleBoogie: Bring it. Your side has been winning for a long time, and all we have are massacres to show for it. It's time for new ideas as your ideas have failed to stop the bloodbaths.

It's time to break control that moneyed interests have over government. It's time to stop "Government of the highest bidder, by the highest bidder, for the highest bidder." And return it to "Government of the people, by the people, for the people." It's time to break the stranglehold the arms industry has over the government.

It's time to limit the manufacture and sale of firearms. It's time to get rid of willful self-delusion peddled by emotional, unreasoning gun advocates. Pro-gun groups have made one good point - gun laws aren't observed by criminals. True enough. So there need to be fewer guns in society that criminals can get.

Kit Fister: Right, because we have perfectly accessible mental healthcare? We've legalized drugs and disincentivized the drug trade? We've solved poverty, spousal abuse, and domestic problems?

If we have, and I missed all of that, and we're still having a pandemic of violence, by all means, I'll shift my position. But until we do, then, go back to smoking whatever you like.



We can make these slow, social changes as well. Those are worthwhile goals. Eventually perhaps we can reduce "domestic problems", but that's a very difficult goal. I don't think we'll ever actually reduce poverty because Jesus said, "The poor will always be with you." I don't think any society has ever eliminated poverty. And those issues don't speak directly to the availability of firearms used in gun-related murders and massacres, like the one that happened today. They're smokescreens - red herrings - to a degree.

To directly deal with the issue of people committing massacres with firearms, we have to turn our attention away from trying to get rid of poverty and domestic problems and focus on how to prevent criminals from getting firearms. To do so we must reduce the control of moneyed interests in government. And then break the stranglehold the arms industry has on the government. Then limit the manufacture and sale of firearms so criminals are less able to illegally get them. Which will reduce the incidence and severity of gun-related murder.

We can concurrently work on reducing poverty and "domestic problems", which are always worthwhile goals. But we should also focus on the direct issue of how to prevent criminals from getting firearms.

Oh, re: the smoking, I'm pretty fit and don't smoke. But I appreciate the thought.
 
2012-12-14 04:43:57 PM

lacydog: netweavr: lacydog: netweavr: netwea

I would assume that if a news story says no deaths, that there are no confirmed deaths to report. That's kind of the most important detail in a story like this, it's not like it would just slip their mind to report it. That's not to say any of the wounded couldn't end up dying (obviously you hope they don't), but as of right now, it certainly would appear that there are no deaths in that story.

8 inch knife, attacking the head and ears of small children and no one reports deaths... Does China ban reporting the deaths of children? Approaching morbid territory here, but it just seems hard to believe.

I didn't see the part about the length, all though if he truly was "slashing" as indicated by the headline of the original article, that wouldn't matter as much. It could be any number of things, but I think the suggestion that this incident probably is a lot less worse than the Connecticut incident - and that maybe the choice of weapon is a contributing factor - is probably valid. Not that it isn't a farked up story in and of itself.


I'm not trying to argue that the weapon makes an impact. That's a silly thing to assert. Mostly wondering about the veracity of news coming out of China with regards to the "no deaths" statement.
 
2012-12-14 04:44:04 PM

styckx: Moonfisher: CBS is reporting that the principal turned on the PA so the entire school would hear the gunshots and go into lockdown. That's a smart and noble last act.

Wow


There's a lot of these "hero moments' that get circulated even by the news in wild rumor circles when everything is so scattered and uncertain (i.e. the guy who 'surfed' down the buildings in 9/11). Might be true..but..I have my doubts that anyone listening to sudden reports over a crackling PA would know what that was for sure and that it is the first thing someone would thing of.
 
2012-12-14 04:44:07 PM

SilentStrider: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Pssst...to any young kids reading Fark today in elementary school. First of all, you shouldn't be on this site, it's nasty. But second of all, when you go home tonight, you can pretty much write your own farking check. Have your folks been hemming and hawing about that puppy or bicycle or Xbox you really want for Christmas? Now's your chance. Just put on those big, wet anime eyes, and say something cute like, "I wuv you mommy," or "Can we have pasketti for dinner," and then drop a little hint about great it would be to have a bike or puppy or Xbox, and how happy it would make you and it sure would be a shame if Something Bad happened to you before you got a chance to enjoy it. Also, you got a pretty good shot at ice cream for dessert tonight.

This was... Ok I admit, kinda funny.


True too. It's cartoons, games and sweets for my kindergartner tonight. I've just been watching the news and crying all day.
 
2012-12-14 04:44:20 PM

Spaz-master: jso2897: pedrop357: bulldg4life: With responses like this...it's no wonder people just end up saying "ban everything", If that is how you're going to respond to someone with a reasonable post about gun registration who specifically says they don't want to ban guns...what's the point?

I don't want to ban anything, just impose some sensible, reasonable restrictions on abortions or posting to various blogs. Who's going to argue with that?

[i18.photobucket.com image 480x360]

Now would be a real good time for you to shut the f**k up - but you're way too stupid to know it.
Keep yappin', gun-fappers - America is listening, and thinking.

Yeah... America is listening and can see that both of you are just spiteful douches


As a gun owner, I don't perceive loudmouthed, belligerent defenders of gun rights shooting off their mouths on occasions like this to be helpful. I said so. Screw you if you don't like it.
 
2012-12-14 04:44:21 PM

Antimatter: Today isn't the day for politics, but I would like to see a congressional report or an executive report on mass shootings and the motives, actors, and so on, for the last ten years or so.


Maybe someone else has already linked it, but here's something (it's sad):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/mass-shootings-ti m eline/
 
2012-12-14 04:44:23 PM

Gyrfalcon: I suppose there's no way we can discuss this calmly and rationally, is there.


I'm sure we'll get around to it.

media.heavy.com
 
2012-12-14 04:44:32 PM
I'm going to be so glad when the asteroid hits and takes out about 98% of us.
 
2012-12-14 04:44:39 PM

Leeds: kev_dog: Carn: A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.

All depends upon who is using it...

Hammers are but a small part of a gun.

Next you'll be badmouthing barrels too?


barrels hold beer, I will never be badmouthing them.
 
2012-12-14 04:44:52 PM

SilentStrider: Prank Call of Cthulhu:

This was... Ok I admit, kinda funny.



No, it wasnt even remotely funny in the slightest.
 
2012-12-14 04:44:59 PM

Virtue: BronyMedic: //Beautiful, beautiful weapon.

/agree

Was pointing out to this guy who calls himself pro gun but anti AR 15....total contradiction.


Can we just agree that responsible gun owners need to keep close tabs on their weapons, and keep them secure when not in use?

I can understand keeping a pistol under the bed. I can't understand displaying a functional rifle like home decor
 
2012-12-14 04:45:04 PM

cameroncrazy1984: stu1-1: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

You're talking about batshait crazy people, right?
How are you going to prevent that?

Add more mental institutions. Make psychiatric care free.


You can't make anything free, moron.

But if you believe that, go to college to be a psychiatrist and don't charge anything for services. Hope you're independently wealthy...
 
2012-12-14 04:45:09 PM

Imperialism: styckx: netweavr: hillbillypharmacist: wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.

Why would they arrest him?

Because the media gave his name to a bunch of angry parents?

Dude is going to be rich soon

Dude is gonna have a farked up life. Mother dead. Brother killed her and a bunch of kids. Media put his face on it for three hours. Christ.


Yeah, straight into protective custody and psychiatric observation he goes.
 
2012-12-14 04:45:13 PM

styckx: Moonfisher: CBS is reporting that the principal turned on the PA so the entire school would hear the gunshots and go into lockdown. That's a smart and noble last act.

Wow



I don't think I would have had the frame of mind to do something like that. I wonder if that was part of some training she went through for situations like this, and the training kicked in.
 
2012-12-14 04:45:13 PM
dwrash
2012-12-14 03:23:41 PM

And I would like to point out that they will have to stop diesel fuel and home heating oil at its manufacturing source, along with fertilizer, ferrous oxide, aluminum powder, anything containing hydrochloric acid (and many other acids), most soaps and a host of over the counter and other easily obtained stuff.

The worse school deaths in history was the result of 3 bombs that went off in a Michigan school back in 1927 that killed 45 people... Timothy McVeigh killed more people with his bomb than all these sprees this year COMBINED.

IF someone wants to commit mass murder there is no way to reliable stop them, unless you know before hand and can take them into custody. Arm everybody?.. it won't stop bombs which are detonated remotely.


Here's the thing about that, creating a bomb of that nature requires a certain intelligence and planning capability which is beyond a lot of people. A semi-automatic rifle can be used by anybody who can pull a trigger. You point it at someone, you pull the trigger, and that person is instantly killed. This is not a technology which should be in the hands of everyone.
 
2012-12-14 04:45:15 PM

namegoeshere: What grade did she teach? Do we know?

got here late. Too much to read.

News anchors crying.


Kindergarten. (assuming you mean the shooter's mother.)
 
2012-12-14 04:45:17 PM

taliesinwi: Small armies. Not ONE DUDE. How many people do you think the Oregon mall shooter would have injured or killed with a machete before four or five people figured it out and all rushed him at once?


Oh, OK. More then a few if he had the timing down right. He could have built a decent pipe bomb or two and done the same thing. The point being that guns aren't necessary for large scale killing.

Bath School massacre, OK city, etc...
 
2012-12-14 04:45:20 PM
I don't have anything to say but to say that I am thoroughly saddened, angry, and anguished by what happened.

My condolences, best wishes, thoughts, and prayers go out to those who have been affected by this tragedy.
 
2012-12-14 04:45:25 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: miltoncharles: I remember hearing people rail against violence in the movies and on TV. "Kids shouldn't see this," they said. "They might become violent." Others thought they were nuts.

I remember hearing people rail against violence in video games. "Kids shouldn't have these," they said. "It'll make them insensitive to death." Others thought they were nuts.

I remember hearing people say, "Kids who misbehave should be spanked. They need to learn there are consequences to their actions." Others thought they were nuts and put their kids in "time out."

Then something like this happens and all fingers point to the guns.

We had guns before the bloody movies and graphic television shows.
We had guns back when "video game" meant "Pong."
We had guns back when teachers routinely brought out the paddles to discipline students.
We had guns back when songs about killing others would never have been pressed into records.

What we didn't have before all of this was all these crazy shootings.

For most kids, watching violent movies or television will do nothing.
For most kids, listening to music that suggests violent actions will do nothing.
For most kids, playing violent video games will do nothing.

But shove enough violence into a mind that's wired just a little bit differently......

/those whiney goody-two-shoes cronies might have been right.
//Don't get me wrong. I still think there needs to be a psych exam for anyone who buys anything north of a shotgun. But there are too many guns out there to put that genie back in the bottle.
///I also think teachers should be allowed to carry.

I have been waiting for someone to make this point.


What point? The bullshiat line "violent culture" causes this? Violent crime has fallen
 
2012-12-14 04:45:33 PM
Parents: Are you talking about this with your kids? What's that conversation sounding like?

Are you going to?

I admit it. I have no farking idea what to say right now.

/usually good with parenting stuff
//lost on this one
 
2012-12-14 04:45:39 PM

Dimensio: utah dude: pro-gun. lifetime NRA. anti-223 anti-civillian-m4/ar-15/m16's. they're just toys designed for killing people.

No, they are not.


Are they not toys, or not designed for killing people?

It's illegal to hunt with an AR-15 in some states, IIRC. So there's no legal use for them other than target practice or penis enhancement.
 
2012-12-14 04:45:47 PM
gun control? why don't we have SSRI control
 
2012-12-14 04:46:02 PM

amquelbettamin: How about we post the happiest moments in our lives instead of talking about this evil?


I met the woman I'm currently engaged to for coffee. We'd known each other for about two years (though hadn't really talked because we'd had one of those stupid fights that teenagers have) and I decided to randomly try to reconnect. It wasn't a "date" per se, but we hugged when we parted ways and then she squeezed my arm as we separated. Looking back on it, it was the arm squeeze that made me ask her out on a date, and that's proven to be the best decision I have ever made. (First date: watching Thank You For Smoking while eating steamtray Chinese food at her house...might not sound like much, but it was perfect for who we were at that point).
 
2012-12-14 04:46:07 PM

IlGreven: From the earlier thread...my point was that most animals don't kill their own like humans kill their own. So I misspoke on that point.


I followed you to this thread just to point out: Komodo dragons have no compunction about eating their own young. The species evolved so that, rather than relying on maternal instinct, the babies climb trees that adults are too big to climb.
 
2012-12-14 04:46:09 PM

Virtue: BronyMedic: //Beautiful, beautiful weapon.

/agree

Was pointing out to this guy who calls himself pro gun but anti AR 15....total contradiction.


But he was right about the .223/5.56mm round: it is designed to inflict maximal damage against a
human target out of proportion to its size (it tumbles in flight and fragments on impact).

I am personally quite ambivalent about such a round being civilian accessible.
 
2012-12-14 04:46:09 PM

wxboy: hillbillypharmacist: wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.

Why would they arrest him?

No clue why the handcuffs were necessary (unless they think he knew something ahead of time). But given the confusion today, it's probably best that he be in protective custody at the very least.


That guy is going to be able to sue about 3 different news networks and about 10 different websites into oblivion. I hope he bankrupts all of fox news.
 
2012-12-14 04:46:16 PM

Bullseyed: zarberg: What's more evil, a mentally ill person who could have been stopped by even a merely adequate mental healthcare system, or a healthcare system for profit that denies thousands of people coverage every day?

Not saying the shooter was mentally ill, but I just can't fathom how one could do this without something being wrong in their brain.

Amusing that you feel the need to put a disclaimer on "not saying he was mentally ill" but you don't put a disclaimer on your statement that he didn't have health insurance...


With or without insurance the mental health care system and the attitude toward mental health care in this country is pathetic. It's cute that you cherry-picked the ancillary point about insurance, though.
 
2012-12-14 04:46:21 PM
Obama on TV!
 
2012-12-14 04:46:29 PM

topcon: So, every news source in the world has been posting the picture of the wrong guy for hours on end.

GREAT JOB MEDIA! Way to totally just forego old rules of journalism that would prevent such a thing. Go go internet-era instant news!


That's what we get when we've got hipster douchebags screaming about how god-like Twitter is because "Some dude tweeted about the shooting 25 minutes before CNN had the story!"
 
2012-12-14 04:46:37 PM

Sterling Thunder: shower_in_my_socks: 12349876: Sterling Thunder: If these wastes didn't have guns they would have made a homemade bomb,

The Columbine guys tried to make bombs and failed miserably, yet with their guns...


My answer to this is always "They COULD have built bombs, and yet for some reason these @ssholes always choose to go with guns instead. I wonder why...."


LET ME BE CLEAR: I don't have an opinion on the guns, my ONLY point is that if all the guns were gone tomorrow wastes like these would find another way. What happened SUCKS and it makes me sick guns or otherwise. Having been in the military I have seen BOTH guns and bombs and neither is pretty.


My point is that guns have a combination of easiness and deadliness that nothing else has. They can try other ways, but my feeling is they won't be as successful. Look at the recent news. China guy wounds 22 with a knife, but only a few seriously and they may all survive. Suicide bomber (which most of these school shooting guys won't do because they want to see the death) in Somalia fails to kill anyone besides himself. Bombs are really really hard and many of these school shooters are young and severely mentally ill. Those who succeed with bombs like Al-Qaeda are in a military mindset. These troubled people aren't.
 
2012-12-14 04:46:50 PM

dittybopper: Magorn: 20 dead children. Jesus, 20 dead FARKING CHILDREN. What worm-eaten excuse for a brain to you have to have that makes you capable of putting a rifle to your shoulder, looking down the sights seeing CHILD's Face and STILLbeing able pull the trigger?! Holy mother of god, how could ANYONE do that no matter how sick or filled with rage?

To all you worthless human beings whose first reaction to a store about a rampage killing of 20 little kids is to worry about whether someone wants to take your gun away, all I can say is FARK YOU, Fark you right in arse with a rusty chainsaw. Spew your paranoid bullshiat another day. Have the decency to mourn today instead

If you'd let us without trying to score some sad political points, we would.


Thank you.
 
2012-12-14 04:46:51 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Periodic Reminder: Bill Clinton promised gun laws, won, signed gun laws, bragged about it, won re-election. The NRA is not all-powerful.

- Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) December 14, 2012


Funny, the only thing I noticed there were less shootings where I lived and more everywhere else.

/NRA isn't powerful but then again, 2012-13 is a way different landscape than 1996.
 
2012-12-14 04:46:57 PM

bootman: The NRA owns this, they own the failings of the current state of affairs, it is on them to tell us how to fix it, or get out of the way.


The ACLU owns this. Try and get the medical records of all people on antipsychotics, and people who either voluntarily or involuntarily were committed with no criminal history, or sought professional treatment for disturbed thoughts.

Farking try it.

Farking.

Try it.
 
2012-12-14 04:47:01 PM

namegoeshere: Parents: Are you talking about this with your kids? What's that conversation sounding like?

Are you going to?

I admit it. I have no farking idea what to say right now.

/usually good with parenting stuff
//lost on this one


No point in crushing their interpretation of the world just yet....
 
2012-12-14 04:47:11 PM
"Won't someone think of the children!?!"....this one day were I can't help to do anything but.
 
2012-12-14 04:47:28 PM

gulogulo: I have my doubts that anyone listening to sudden reports over a crackling PA would know what that was for sure



If those gunshots were accompanied by shouting, you would sure as fark know that whatever was happening wasn't good.
 
2012-12-14 04:47:44 PM
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2012-12-14 04:48:06 PM

Warlordtrooper: wxboy: hillbillypharmacist: wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.

Why would they arrest him?

No clue why the handcuffs were necessary (unless they think he knew something ahead of time). But given the confusion today, it's probably best that he be in protective custody at the very least.

That guy is going to be able to sue about 3 different news networks and about 10 different websites into oblivion. I hope he bankrupts all of fox news.


In fairness to the media (deserved or not) they had the right guy based on the information they had. Where his name originally came from, I have no idea.
 
2012-12-14 04:48:13 PM
Has anyone mentioned ammo control yet? I heard Dog the bounty hunter talking about it (yes, I know the source is sketchy-he was on some news program discussing gun control) and the concept sounded good. Can anyone give me some pros and cons regarding that? I haven't looked into it too much but it seems like a possible partial solution? The people who asser their right to own a gun, as stated by the Constituion, get to keep their gun but instead, the ammo is very tightly controlled. We can't stop the illegal flow of ammo unfortunately, but maybe it could make a dent?
 
2012-12-14 04:48:37 PM

BronyMedic: SSRIs do, in less than 1% of the population that takes them, exacerbate the symptoms that they're trying to cure. Many other medicines do the exact same thing. That's why in the few weeks where someone is starting an SSRI treatment plan, they should be carefully monitored by a mental health professional to make sure that if they start seeing signs of this that the treatment is terminated. However, someone being an idiot and terminating treatment abruptly, or taking too many/too little... that would be dangerous. That would be dangerous pretty much no matter what kind of pill you're talking about.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.


Dude, I respect your profession, and have come to greatly respect your professional input. That being said, given the scant information we have, there's certainly yet no evidence of drug action. Even if there were, My layman's take is that the majority of SSRI problems occur in young adults, where the meds allow the patient to experience the motivation to follow through with suicidal ideation. I haven't heard (correct me if I'm wrong) of SSRI's being definitively tied to violence. Having taken SSRI's for many years, I've had success, but the one SSNRI I took farked me up seriously, making my thoughts race and turning me into a blabbering fool.

Thanks for all your input. I appreciate it.
 
2012-12-14 04:48:41 PM

shower_in_my_socks: gulogulo: I have my doubts that anyone listening to sudden reports over a crackling PA would know what that was for sure


If those gunshots were accompanied by shouting, you would sure as fark know that whatever was happening wasn't good.


An earlier report said there was screaming over the PA whatever that means
 
2012-12-14 04:48:51 PM

rufus-t-firefly: It's illegal to hunt with an AR-15 in some states, IIRC. So there's no legal use for them other than target practice or penis enhancement.


Liar.....Oh you mean states where its illegal to use a rifle at all? Like the states that REQUIRE you to take deer with a shotgun (illegal to use a rifle) Your being dishonest....a liar.....ANY state where its legal to hunt the target game with a rifle you can use an AR.....it might be an AR 10 instead of an AR 15 and you will have to use 3 or 5 round mags but its not illegal.
 
2012-12-14 04:49:03 PM
Vance said the most challenging part will be identifying all the bodies, however some preliminary identifications have been made.

Just taking a wild guess: a lot of the kills were head shots? If so, I hope this dude is in the deepest depths of Hell.
 
2012-12-14 04:49:10 PM

Virtue: zedster: Problem is that 1 is simply not true and on top of that ignores the fact that both have conscription and thus a higher level of training on guns among their citizens.

Which only further proves the point that its not the guns.


ARGGGGGGGGG

THE CATO MORON WAS ARGUING THAT GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM BECAUSE TWO OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE SIMILAR RATES OF PRIVATE GUN OWNERSHIP, THAT WAS NOT TRUE THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER RATES OF PRIVATE OWNERSHIP

ARE YOU THICK OR WILLFULLY IGNORANT ?

Israel private guns per 100 people: 7.3 ranked #79 in world in guns per capita
US private guns per 100 people: 88.8 ranked #1 in world in guns per capita
Switzerland private guns per 100: 45.7 ranked #4 in world in guns per capita

If his goal was to disprove a link between gun ownership and gun deaths he failed, including government owned guns, which he did, is dissimilar and you know it. Also Switzerland is the closest country in gun ownership per capita in the 1st world, notice the difference? 45.7 vs 88.8?
 
2012-12-14 04:49:11 PM

pedrop357: Gyrfalcon: I suppose there's no way we can discuss this calmly and rationally, is there.

At this point no. Maybe later if people's attention span lasts that long.


Yes, that's the problem, isn't it. People are furious and upset now, lots of "Let's feed the shooter through a wood chipper barefoot (too bad he's already dead)" and ban guns and arm teachers with rocket launchers and the rest; and then a couple weeks of ranting and raving about gun laws and 2d Amendment rights and all that; and then it will get lost in discussions over the fiscal cliff and Xmas and drunk driving.

Until the next mass shooting and it will start again. And of course nothing will have been accomplished. Was the shooter crazy? Could this have been prevented with better laws and mental health care? Who knows? And we'll never know, because NOBODY EVER WANTS TO DISCUSS THINGS CALMLY AND RATIONALLY.
 
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