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2012-12-14 04:37:39 PM

Magorn: 20 dead children. Jesus, 20 dead FARKING CHILDREN. What worm-eaten excuse for a brain to you have to have that makes you capable of putting a rifle to your shoulder, looking down the sights seeing CHILD's Face and STILLbeing able pull the trigger?! Holy mother of god, how could ANYONE do that no matter how sick or filled with rage?

To all you worthless human beings whose first reaction to a store about a rampage killing of 20 little kids is to worry about whether someone wants to take your gun away, all I can say is FARK YOU, Fark you right in arse with a rusty chainsaw. Spew your paranoid bullshiat another day. Have the decency to mourn today instead


If you'd let us without trying to score some sad political points, we would.
 
2012-12-14 04:37:46 PM
In the old days, when "that boy is born for hanging" he usually was.

I blame the mentally ill, not firearms.
 
2012-12-14 04:37:49 PM

ArgusRun: Raises taxes on ammunition.


Its hard for people to understand this that havent spent decades entrenched in "gun culture" but.....people who are shall we say "REALLY into guns", dont usually buy much ammo. Make ammo cost more per shot than ciggerettes and you will see alot more homeloaders than previously ever imagined.

Its easy, its cheap and if it ever needed to be it would be everywhere. And would be harder to stop than crack production (coke+baking soda+water+fryingpan=crack btw). But a whole schlew of kneejerk laws banning *insert here*, would make everybody feel like they had done something right?


Or we could try to figure out how we as a populace identify and treat our homicidaly depressed. But thats alot of work.
 
2012-12-14 04:37:57 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Imperialism: Can someone link me to a stream of some good coverage of this? Just got home and I am NOT going to CNN for this.


HuffPo Live Blog


solaufein: Imperialism: Can someone link me to a stream of some good coverage of this? Just got home and I am NOT going to CNN for this.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/State-Police-Responding-to-S h ooting-at-School-Police--183498401.html


Thank you both
 
2012-12-14 04:38:09 PM
The funny thing about psychotic breaks is we cannot easily predict them. We know the profile, but not what causes them.
 
2012-12-14 04:38:16 PM

rufus-t-firefly: orclover: WhyteRaven74: JungleBoogie: y. We have a population that is more prone to internal violence than small, homogeneous groups of Israelis or Swedes, for a lot of reasons.

Check the rates of poverty in Sweden or Switzerland, then check the poverty rate in the US. You have most of your issue right there.

Getting mental health care is a tad easier as well. And by Tad I mean...farkING LEAPS AND BOUNDS ahead of us. So not so many crazy people just walking around with access to firearms.

Give 100 sane people a button that kills anyone they choose instantly and you will have 100 people alive at the end of each day (barring accidents). Add 1 mentally unbalanced person tot he mix and you will likely have at least 1 dead very soon.

ITS NOT THE farkING BUTTONS DOING THE KILLING.
/should I put that in bold?

The buttons may kill...but they sure as fark make it easy, don't they?

Maybe you shouldn't let crazy people near them.

Just don't let people get near the buttons without checking them out first. No loopholes - actual background checks on anyone who gets near them. If any of those people push the button and you didn't do what was legally required, you are an accessory to murder.


Then again...you could just not set the buttons up in the first place.
 
2012-12-14 04:38:21 PM

jso2897: pedrop357: bulldg4life: With responses like this...it's no wonder people just end up saying "ban everything", If that is how you're going to respond to someone with a reasonable post about gun registration who specifically says they don't want to ban guns...what's the point?

I don't want to ban anything, just impose some sensible, reasonable restrictions on abortions or posting to various blogs. Who's going to argue with that?

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Now would be a real good time for you to shut the f**k up - but you're way too stupid to know it.
Keep yappin', gun-fappers - America is listening, and thinking.


Yeah... America is listening and can see that both of you are just spiteful douches
 
2012-12-14 04:38:24 PM

Leeds: bootman: Are we to the point yet where we can demand recommendations on policy changes from the NRA and their ilk on how to prevent insane folks from obtaining firearms? The issues surrounding mentally disturbed people and firearms is an existential issue for the NRA, are they just too stupid to realize it?

Know how I know you don't know squat about the NRA or Americans in general?

It's because you seem not to realize that the NRA backs the laws that restrict gun ownership to the sane.


The current laws and policies are clearly not working. What we all should demand from the NRA is a policy framework for changes that will get us to a place where the laws and policies work. The NRA has inserted themselves into this area of American politics to the point where nothing even tangentially related to firearm law and policy happens without their blessing. The NRA owns this, they own the failings of the current state of affairs, it is on them to tell us how to fix it, or get out of the way.
 
2012-12-14 04:38:28 PM

USP .45: Ardilla: Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.

1. A license is just a piece of paper. What you are referring to is registration. The government knows which legal owners have guns. Unconstitutional, and completely counter to the purpose of the 2A. Sorry but that's just the reality.
2. OK, so the government also has centralized medical records. Have fun with ACLU.
3. Blatant infringement. The same arguments used against voter ID laws apply here.
4. Penalties are already severe.
5. Right, registration, centralization of what lawful citizens have guns, massive added cost from ballistic identification and redundant mental health evaluations with questionable effectiveness.

Just say you want to ban guns and that at your core you are a centralized authority type of guy. I'll also speculate that this creep could have passed a hypothetical mental health evaluation. It's called lying.


I understand what the Second Amendment says, and how it has been (mis)interpreted over the years. I'm advocating for change. You're clearly fine with the status quo.

And by your logic, we have laws against a lot of things. People still break them. So why bother having laws at all?
 
2012-12-14 04:38:35 PM

ArgusRun: Ban person to person gun sales. You can only sell to a registered dealer. No more gun shows. Expand buy back programs. Raises taxes on ammunition.


Prohibiting person-to-person sales must be done at the state level, as federal law cannot regulate such transactions. The majority of firearm sellers at "gun shows" are federally licensed sellers; regulation prohibiting private firearm transactions (at the state level) would apply at such venues. I am unaware of "buy back" programs producing any demonstrable benefit. Ammunition taxation would encourage private reloading, but I am unaware of evidence that such a tax would reduce rates of violent crime.

I am unopposed to mental health screening for firearm owners, but any such screening must rely upon an objective standard so that an anti-gun screener cannot arbitrarily deny access to firearms and so that a pro-gun screener will not overlook (intentionally or not) potential disqualifying factors.
 
2012-12-14 04:38:35 PM

Virtue: Browing semi automatic deer rifles?


You do realize that the BARs for civilian use are adapted from the military versions that were popular with the gangsters in the 20s and 30s, right?

/owns a 30-06 BAR.
//Beautiful, beautiful weapon.
 
2012-12-14 04:38:55 PM

jso2897: Now would be a real good time for you to shut the f**k up - but you're way too stupid to know it.
Keep yappin', gun-fappers - America is listening, and thinking.


You should fark off. The wonderfully reasonable, sensible things proposed for guns would be viewed as what they are-backdoor bans, if done to abortions or posting to various blogs.
 
2012-12-14 04:39:05 PM
CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.
 
2012-12-14 04:39:12 PM

Sultan Of Herf: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: shower_in_my_socks: WhyteRaven74: they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier


His mother worked at the school. Possible chain of events: gets pissed at his family, kills his bro, drives to his mother's school, kills her, and then just goes completely farking apeshiat and kills every little kid in the room. CRAZY.

Why is the other brother in custody then?

Im going with mommy attention issues. Teachers tend to spend a lot of their personal time on school stuff...Im thinking this kid couldnt handle it...and chances are the other dead family members had told him to STFU n get over it...maybe he couldnt.


Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(

Wolf BLitzer has already started, he just callled all 3 "sophisticated assault weapons"...and so it begins.


A glock and a sig sauer are "sophisticated assault weapons"???

I love it when "fancy" men try to talk guns.
 
2012-12-14 04:39:17 PM
The gun control argument is stupid and moot. You will never achieve gun control in a country with guns this pervasive already. So as much as I despise guns, there is no point in arguing about it.

As far as the guy that did this, if alive, feed him through a wood chipper. Slowly.

If dead, find the asshole who supplied him with said firearms, and introduce him to the parents of the dead children. In a locked room. I'm sure that will be a very calm, civil discussion of firearms issues.
 
2012-12-14 04:39:17 PM

MayoSlather: Gun nuts have horrible arguments and are consistently logically argued and pinned to the ground with no where left to go they start repeating their dull ridiculousness they started with.


Have you any commentary to offer that is not a logical fallacy?
 
2012-12-14 04:39:21 PM
America...biggest love of guns, least respectful of them
 
2012-12-14 04:39:32 PM
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2012-12-14 04:39:45 PM

wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.


Why would they arrest him?
 
2012-12-14 04:39:46 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Sterling Thunder: my ONLY point is that if all the guns were gone tomorrow wastes like these would find another way.


Yes, they would find another way. But it would be FAR LESS EFFECTIVE.


I understand, please, seriously I am commenting on POS wastes like these not caring about who they hurt or how, and their feeling like consequences are for others. If you want to argue they could wait till school let out and run a bus off a bridge. The effectiveness of the method isn't in question, I am not attempting to change ANYONES mind on gun control in ANY direction.
 
2012-12-14 04:39:50 PM

Leeds: Does anyone have a link to Obama's press conference? I missed it live and am curious to see what he had to say.


Link
 
2012-12-14 04:40:00 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Carn: Noticeably F.A.T.: Carn: Like it's not valid to talk about gun control when 18 kids get shot in a rampage?

How about we try to figure out why people do stupid shiat like this and see if we can't stop they before they get going? Nah, that's just crazy. I don't know what came over me there. Let's continue trying focusing on the tools instead of the users. It hasn't worked in the past, but that just means it about to start working.

A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.

What about a gun that shoots hammers, genius?


touche`
 
2012-12-14 04:40:04 PM
You suffer the criminally insane to live, this is what happens.
 
2012-12-14 04:40:04 PM
Asperger's, OCD and a controlling mother.

It's a refreshing cocktail of doom.

Jeebus.
 
2012-12-14 04:40:05 PM

wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.


Thought he wasn't a suspect?
 
2012-12-14 04:40:17 PM

hillbillypharmacist: wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.

Why would they arrest him?


Because the media gave his name to a bunch of angry parents?
 
2012-12-14 04:40:20 PM

mrshowrules: I just don't buy the premise that a guns aren't one of the factors in these killings.



I shut down the biggest gun nut I've ever known during a conversation about the Tucson Giffords mass shooting. He was defending high-capacity magazines and said something like "the shooter had both high capacity magazines and regular ones," to which I said "And yet, for some reason, he started the shooting with the 33-round magazine first. I wonder why?"
 
2012-12-14 04:40:40 PM

Virtue: utah dude: pro-gun. lifetime NRA. anti-223 anti-civillian-m4/ar-15/m16's. they're just toys designed for killing people.

Does that include the Ruger Ranch rifle and the Browing semi automatic deer rifles?


no, these are legit, but when it's just a ar-15 w/o a scope --- what's the fuggin point?!
 
2012-12-14 04:40:42 PM
I suppose there's no way we can discuss this calmly and rationally, is there.
 
2012-12-14 04:40:46 PM

kev_dog: Carn: A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.

All depends upon who is using it...


No. We are talking about the nature and purpose of the thing. Guns are designed to destroy and/or kill. I'm not anti-gun, but let's be honest about what they are for.
 
2012-12-14 04:40:47 PM

Moonfisher: CBS is reporting that the principal turned on the PA so the entire school would hear the gunshots and go into lockdown. That's a smart and noble last act.


Wow
 
2012-12-14 04:40:50 PM

BronyMedic: //Beautiful, beautiful weapon.


/agree

Was pointing out to this guy who calls himself pro gun but anti AR 15....total contradiction.
 
2012-12-14 04:40:55 PM
Just to throw my two cents into the deluge of posts,

My heart goes out to the families affected by the events of today. We need to give proper attention to the issues of mental health, training, and responsible gun ownership. Firearms have been in existence since around 700 A.D. yet the rash of spree killings is a relatively recent occurrence. What has changed, as a society? How do we fix this? Many questions, few answers known. One thing, however, is certain. Disarming is a notion not possible. The ability of our civilian law enforcement to protect and serve, and the ability of our military to exert the government's will are both dependent on firearms as their tools of the trade. And even if firearm disarming were to come about, you would still be looking at massacres such as the 2008 Osaka school slaying, where 8 children were killed by a man with a kitchen knife, or even Britain, which has had a remarkable surge in knife murders since the firearm restrictions went into place. Something is wrong with people these days, and it is about damn time we focused on the cause, without demonizing the various implements they chose, be it gun, knife, pointed stick, etc.
 
2012-12-14 04:41:00 PM

zarberg: What's more evil, a mentally ill person who could have been stopped by even a merely adequate mental healthcare system, or a healthcare system for profit that denies thousands of people coverage every day?

Not saying the shooter was mentally ill, but I just can't fathom how one could do this without something being wrong in their brain.


Amusing that you feel the need to put a disclaimer on "not saying he was mentally ill" but you don't put a disclaimer on your statement that he didn't have health insurance...
 
2012-12-14 04:41:09 PM
Freepers going nuts.

From this thread: Obama "These children are our children"

To: basil
Indeed, when has one of these ever happened in a black innercity school? Too many 'bangers there, some with guns.
41 posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 4:26:42 PM by libstripper
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2012-12-14 04:41:15 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Asperger's, OCD and a controlling mother.

It's a refreshing cocktail of doom.

Jeebus.


Always blame the mother. Those controlling womens..
 
2012-12-14 04:41:25 PM

BronyMedic: USP .45: Notice how you're suggesting things that would not have had any effect on the recent high profile shootings.

I suspect this is intentional.

Except that the guns in recent high profile, high casualty shootings, i.e. Aurora, Gabby Giffords, Vtech, etc were legally obtained by the people who committed these crimes, and every one of them had a mental health history which SHOULD have raised a red flag.


And they should not have been able to purchase them. They should have been in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System database. Google it if you don't know what that is.

There is significant and legitimate concern about labeling people as such and then freely handing their information around, but that is the place to start.
 
2012-12-14 04:41:27 PM
Asperger's, OCD

Fake illnesses for a farked up society.

The motherfarker was nuts, and he should have been put down like a mad dog, years ago.
 
2012-12-14 04:41:28 PM

netweavr: lacydog: netweavr: netwea

I would assume that if a news story says no deaths, that there are no confirmed deaths to report. That's kind of the most important detail in a story like this, it's not like it would just slip their mind to report it. That's not to say any of the wounded couldn't end up dying (obviously you hope they don't), but as of right now, it certainly would appear that there are no deaths in that story.

8 inch knife, attacking the head and ears of small children and no one reports deaths... Does China ban reporting the deaths of children? Approaching morbid territory here, but it just seems hard to believe.


I didn't see the part about the length, all though if he truly was "slashing" as indicated by the headline of the original article, that wouldn't matter as much. It could be any number of things, but I think the suggestion that this incident probably is a lot less worse than the Connecticut incident - and that maybe the choice of weapon is a contributing factor - is probably valid. Not that it isn't a farked up story in and of itself.
 
2012-12-14 04:41:32 PM

USP .45: ArgusRun: Ban person to person gun sales. You can only sell to a registered dealer. No more gun shows. Expand buy back programs. Raises taxes on ammunition.

Notice how you're suggesting things that would not have had any effect on the recent high profile shootings.

I suspect this is intentional.


An event like this is an outlier. And a crappy reason to enact any laws. When the government reacts immediately to shocking events, it does a piss poor job and entirely overreacts. I'm not looking to prevent another Columbine, or Virginia Tech, or Newtown. Thousands of people are killed an wounded every year due to our gun culture, and this is a mere statistical blip.

Instead, I think it's important to reduce the number of guns and gun owners. This bizarre narrative that an armed populace is a safe one has been proven false many times over. Easy access to firearms makes you more likely to kill yourself or someone else either deliberately or accidentally.

Nothing I suggested makes gun ownership illegal. It simply regulates their flow and uses the powers granted to the government to discourage certain actions. Stockpiles of ammunition are dangerous, just as cigarettes are dangerous. We tax the hell out of cigarettes, why not ammunition.
 
2012-12-14 04:41:38 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: JungleBoogie: SpikeStrip: in a month, this will be forgotten.

I don't think so. Dead adults and teenagers - that's like war. Dead kindergardeners... one six year old grabbing his lunch before running out... that's something that's going to stick around for a long, long time.

This was the type of massacre, sufficiently brutal and grotesque, to really get some effective changes done. People need to get off their lazy butts and get involved. The first problem is breaking the control moneyed interests have over DC. The second is reducing the manufacture and sale of firearms so criminals have less access to them.

In 10 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, Connecticut lost 65 KIA. It's the farking scale of this slaughter that is just farking sad.



Interesting note - in the 10yrs in Afghanistan, Detroit lost more people to homicides than US servicemen there.

/doesn't mean anything, just interesting
 
2012-12-14 04:41:39 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [pbs.twimg.com image 648x484]


I say good luck to them, the NRA is gonna make sure that law never makes it to print. I wish that wasn't the case.
 
2012-12-14 04:41:48 PM

netweavr: hillbillypharmacist: wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.

Why would they arrest him?

Because the media gave his name to a bunch of angry parents?


Dude is going to be rich soon
 
2012-12-14 04:41:53 PM

utah dude: pro-gun. lifetime NRA. anti-223 anti-civillian-m4/ar-15/m16's. they're just toys designed for killing people.


No, they are not.
 
2012-12-14 04:41:57 PM

Bullseyed: eddievercetti: With this and what happened in China, is there nothing to help the mentally unstable at all?

They used to be killed or locked away in asylums. Once the left demanded that they be Ronald Reagan shut down government-funded mental hospitals, forcing the patients to be reintegrated into the population, and keeping future mentally ill people from being able to get adequate help this kind of thing started becoming more common.


You made it political, so eat a dick.
 
2012-12-14 04:42:03 PM
I have a holy shiatload of guns, including an AR, and carry concealed. I do, however, feel that it was entirely too easy to get access to these weapons (it took me about 30 minutes to get my AR, less than that for my handgun). I applied for my permit, it came within 4 days. I don't have a record or anything to keep me from purchasing them, I just feel like maybe medical records should be taken into consideration when a gun trade/sale is made. If you want to own a firearm, you should have to open up your medical records (specifically psychological history), or at least undergo an in-depth evaluation to assess your mental health.

However, this would have most likely happened whether a gun ban was present or not. Even if he had a psych evaluation, and was determined unfit to own a firearm, he could have gotten one off the street. He could have built a bomb (probably for less money than he spent on the gun), started a fire, hijacked an airplane and flown it into the school. He had a reason for what he did, we may never know, but there was a reason.

I'm not a praying person, but my thoughts are definitely with these families at this time, as well as the first responders, teachers, and family of the shooter. Everyone has seen more today than anyone should see in a lifetime, and I just hope one tragedy doesn't become the root cause of more. Hopefully everyone will be counselled accordingly and made to understand this is nobody's fault but the psycho who did it. :(
 
2012-12-14 04:42:10 PM
Just stop the violence. That is the problem. It's the violence. We need to understand each other. We need to help each other. None of us knows what is right; we learned it all from someone else, and who the hell knows if they were right to begin with. We learn new things about our world each day. Let's learn from each other and try to stop the violence that pervades everything everywhere.
 
2012-12-14 04:42:19 PM

hillbillypharmacist: wxboy: CBS News showed footage of Ryan Lanza in handcuffs in Hoboken. So that clears up just where he is in case there was a question.

Why would they arrest him?


No clue why the handcuffs were necessary (unless they think he knew something ahead of time). But given the confusion today, it's probably best that he be in protective custody at the very least.
 
2012-12-14 04:42:24 PM

Gyrfalcon: I suppose there's no way we can discuss this calmly and rationally, is there.


At this point no. Maybe later if people's attention span lasts that long.
 
2012-12-14 04:42:31 PM
What grade did she teach? Do we know?

got here late. Too much to read.

News anchors crying.
 
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