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2012-12-14 04:25:20 PM  
So the AP is saying the cop source that gave the names...transposed the names Adam and Ryan.

Mighty fine police work, Lou.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:21 PM  
Most responsible gun owners exercise gun safety in their house. They lock up their guns and they make sure people aren't using them who shouldn't. You wouldn't let your child or a family member use your gun, buy it or borrow it if they were not properly trained on how to use it or if you thought they might do something stupid with it.

Why the hell wouldn't you, at minimum, do this on community level as well.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:26 PM  

eagles95: I was going to be the designated driver at a holiday part tomorrow night. Meh....may be sleeping over now. Need a drink from all this


I don't drink when I get home from work; but a nice stiff gin and tonic would be very nice while I watch my son play.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:28 PM  

JerseyTim: You can see how they might have gotten the two brothers mixed up. Someone says "it was so-and-so's son who did it" and then they say, "You mean Ryan?" and it gets out from there.


Doesn't matter, anybody who was falsely pointed to by the media as being the shooter is going to be winning a MASSIVE payday. In fact If I were them I wouldn't even bother to offer a settlement. It's such an open and shut case that you can get them for every single penny they own.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:32 PM  

powtard: To the don't politicize this crowd, fark you. It's exactly the time to, because we all know our attention span. And, fine, you don't want to infringe on your precious gun rights, then fark it...lets just legalize and mass distribute grenades, landmines and napalm. They can kill just as equally as a semi-auto can anyways.


We don't need to "politicize" this. We need to disregard politics entirely and have an honest and critical look at how these tragedies occur and how to best mitigate them.

"Politicizing" is a guaranteed way of making sure nothing happens. Of course when you have one side trying to have an honest conversation and the other side accusing them of politicizing it, all roads lead to the same outcome: nothing happens.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:32 PM  

Carn: Noticeably F.A.T.: Carn: Like it's not valid to talk about gun control when 18 kids get shot in a rampage?

How about we try to figure out why people do stupid shiat like this and see if we can't stop they before they get going? Nah, that's just crazy. I don't know what came over me there. Let's continue trying focusing on the tools instead of the users. It hasn't worked in the past, but that just means it about to start working.

A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.


What about a gun that shoots hammers, genius?
 
2012-12-14 04:25:35 PM  

JungleBoogie: y. We have a population that is more prone to internal violence than small, homogeneous groups of Israelis or Swedes, for a lot of reasons.


Check the rates of poverty in Sweden or Switzerland, then check the poverty rate in the US. You have most of your issue right there.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:35 PM  

Psycat: Just out of curiosity, what would happen with the never-ending gun control debate if a madman with an assault rifle ever went nuts at an NRA meeting?


Or just dropped some firecrackers.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:37 PM  

Carn: A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.


All depends upon who is using it...
 
2012-12-14 04:25:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I've seen different sources jump back and forth between the two that I'm not going to believe it unless they know for sure who was who in this.


I'm about to tune this all out until the evening news. It's ridiculous how the media throws out anything they hear as fact in the race to report it first.
 
2012-12-14 04:26:10 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: pedrop357: shower_in_my_socks: My answer to this is always "They COULD have built bombs, and yet for some reason these @ssholes always choose to go with guns instead. I wonder why...."

They did build bombs, they just sucked. Had the bombs worked, Columbine would have eclipse the Bath massacre.


I'm not just talking about Columbine. I'm talking about all mass shootings. They reach for the guns first because they are the most efficient killing weapons your average, untrained person can get their hands on. Today there was also a mass knife attack at a school in China that got 22 kids stabbed and cut, and yet none of them died. I imagine that Chinese psycho would have much preferred to have done it with a gun, if only he could have found one.


god, this.
 
2012-12-14 04:26:16 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I'm not just talking about Columbine. I'm talking about all mass shootings. They reach for the guns first because they are the most efficient killing weapons your average, untrained person can get their hands on. Today there was also a mass knife attack at a school in China that got 22 kids stabbed and cut, and yet none of them died. I imagine that Chinese psycho would have much preferred to have done it with a gun, if only he could have found one.


They are the most efficient, effective, etc. right now. Ban them and people will simply replace them with something else and you'll have accomplished little. Small armies in Africa manage to commit mass murders with machetes, fire, starvation, etc. No need for guns to kill large numbers of people.
 
2012-12-14 04:26:19 PM  

IronTom: or a cop is always stationed there,


Mall cop, or cop cop? 

This would be the world's most boring job 250 days of the year across 1000s of schools. The money would be much better spent elsewhere.... such as improving the social safety net.
 
2012-12-14 04:26:29 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Bontesla: /no. Not really.

Hey, I admitted that I was temporarily nuts. We need to keep ignoring crazy people and continue to focus on guns. The fact that is hasn't worked yet is just proof that it will.


And why not both approaches? Why ignore guns to speculate?
 
2012-12-14 04:26:56 PM  

FinFangFark: So the AP is saying the cop source that gave the names...transposed the names Adam and Ryan.



Yep. AP sources: 20-year-old Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, mother Nancy Lanza presumed dead.
 
2012-12-14 04:26:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: I've seen different sources jump back and forth between the two that I'm not going to believe it unless they know for sure who was who in this.

I'm about to tune this all out until the evening news. It's ridiculous how the media throws out anything they hear as fact in the race to report it first.


Wait until tomorrow. They won't have it straight by the evening news. It'll take a day for them to get a full head-count, secure the school, and systematically approach the event.
 
2012-12-14 04:27:06 PM  

powtard: To the don't politicize this crowd, fark you. It's exactly the time to, because we all know our attention span. And, fine, you don't want to infringe on your precious gun rights, then fark it...lets just legalize and mass distribute grenades, landmines and napalm. They can kill just as equally as a semi-auto can anyways.


So emotional, knee-jerk reactions are what's needed RIGHTNOW for this country? What a novel idea.
 
2012-12-14 04:27:09 PM  

SpikeStrip: in a month, this will be forgotten.


I don't think so. Dead adults and teenagers - that's like war. Dead kindergardeners... one six year old grabbing his lunch before running out... that's something that's going to stick around for a long, long time.

This was the type of massacre, sufficiently brutal and grotesque, to really get some effective changes done. People need to get off their lazy butts and get involved. The first problem is breaking the control moneyed interests have over DC. The second is reducing the manufacture and sale of firearms so criminals have less access to them.
 
2012-12-14 04:27:35 PM  

pedrop357: shower_in_my_socks: I'm not just talking about Columbine. I'm talking about all mass shootings. They reach for the guns first because they are the most efficient killing weapons your average, untrained person can get their hands on. Today there was also a mass knife attack at a school in China that got 22 kids stabbed and cut, and yet none of them died. I imagine that Chinese psycho would have much preferred to have done it with a gun, if only he could have found one.

They are the most efficient, effective, etc. right now. Ban them and people will simply replace them with something else and you'll have accomplished little. Small armies in Africa manage to commit mass murders with machetes, fire, starvation, etc. No need for guns to kill large numbers of people.


Oh please
 
2012-12-14 04:27:43 PM  

Carn: A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.


Well, you said so, so it must be true.
 
2012-12-14 04:27:45 PM  
20 dead children. Jesus, 20 dead FARKING CHILDREN. What worm-eaten excuse for a brain to you have to have that makes you capable of putting a rifle to your shoulder, looking down the sights seeing CHILD's Face and STILLbeing able pull the trigger?! Holy mother of god, how could ANYONE do that no matter how sick or filled with rage?

To all you worthless human beings whose first reaction to a store about a rampage killing of 20 little kids is to worry about whether someone wants to take your gun away, all I can say is FARK YOU, Fark you right in arse with a rusty chainsaw. Spew your paranoid bullshiat another day. Have the decency to mourn today instead
 
2012-12-14 04:27:59 PM  

JungleBoogie: Bring it. Your side has been winning for a long time, and all we have are massacres to show for it. It's time for new ideas as your ideas have failed to stop the bloodbaths.

It's time to break control that moneyed interests have over government. It's time to stop "Government of the highest bidder, by the highest bidder, for the highest bidder." And return it to "Government of the people, by the people, for the people." It's time to break the stranglehold the arms industry has over the government.

It's time to limit the manufacture and sale of firearms. It's time to get rid of willful self-delusion peddled by emotional, unreasoning gun advocates. Pro-gun groups have made one good point - gun laws aren't observed by criminals. True enough. So there need to be fewer guns in society that criminals can get.


Right, because we have perfectly accessible mental healthcare? We've legalized drugs and disincentivized the drug trade? We've solved poverty, spousal abuse, and domestic problems?

If we have, and I missed all of that, and we're still having a pandemic of violence, by all means, I'll shift my position. But until we do, then, go back to smoking whatever you like.
 
2012-12-14 04:28:08 PM  
I spent many, many years working with elementary-school-age kids, and had a particular fondness for the kindergartners, the little ones. Having no children of my own, they woke up my paternal instincts, and I delighted in teaching them, watching their eyes light up with discovery when they learned something new, or when I was greeted with a mass of hugs when walking in the door. I cared for all my kids, the thousands I took care of, but those tiny ones always held a place in my heart. I never forgot that I was being handed a huge responsibility in being trusted with a parent's most valuable asset in life: their child. I would have gladly given my own life to defend any one of them. I'm sure the dead teachers did the same.

Got over the tears.
Got over the urge to vomit.
Still stunned.
Dude had the decency to off himself...just wish he'd done it first.
 
2012-12-14 04:28:24 PM  
As a society we have allowed a certain viewpoint to trump all common sense to a sadistic point of cognitive dissonance. Today we get yet another reminder of the high price we pay to make sure that money is never spent to alleviate mental anguish, and that every citizen has the right to wield the most awesome killing machines man ever made without any interference.

These are consequences to choices.
 
2012-12-14 04:28:26 PM  

pedrop357: shower_in_my_socks: I'm not just talking about Columbine. I'm talking about all mass shootings. They reach for the guns first because they are the most efficient killing weapons your average, untrained person can get their hands on. Today there was also a mass knife attack at a school in China that got 22 kids stabbed and cut, and yet none of them died. I imagine that Chinese psycho would have much preferred to have done it with a gun, if only he could have found one.

They are the most efficient, effective, etc. right now. Ban them and people will simply replace them with something else and you'll have accomplished little. Small armies in Africa manage to commit mass murders with machetes, fire, starvation, etc. No need for guns to kill large numbers of people.


Wait until they figure out he could have done the same thing with a bag of flour.
 
2012-12-14 04:28:40 PM  

pedrop357: Ban them and people will simply replace them with something else and you'll have accomplished little.



Then why is the murder rate in Japan, where guns are illegal, 1/8th the level of the US's? What, Japanese pyschos just aren't resourceful enough?
 
2012-12-14 04:28:43 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: FinFangFark: So the AP is saying the cop source that gave the names...transposed the names Adam and Ryan.


Yep. AP sources: 20-year-old Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, mother Nancy Lanza presumed dead.


Reports are he had his bro's ID on him.
 
2012-12-14 04:28:56 PM  
The Second Amendment guarantees free Americans the right to own firearms.

We so firmly believe this that we teach it in kindergarten now.
 
2012-12-14 04:29:07 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: FinFangFark: So the AP is saying the cop source that gave the names...transposed the names Adam and Ryan.


Yep. AP sources: 20-year-old Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, mother Nancy Lanza presumed dead.


They've also no confirmed that the person they arrested at the school is Ryan Lanza, or if he was taken into custody in NJ like his roomates, or if he was the one they took into custody at the home in Newton where the dad was killed.

Also they have shut down part of the highway in Newton and it's related to this case.

A lot of stuff going on.
 
2012-12-14 04:29:17 PM  

netweavr: Sultan Of Herf: Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(

Wolf BLitzer has already started, he just callled all 3 "sophisticated assault weapons"...and so it begins.

That's normal. CNN will blame guns. Fox will blame video games. MSNBC will blame men.


I wish it was law for every single newsperson to take a multiple day gun familiarization classes along with biennial refresher courses.
 
2012-12-14 04:29:22 PM  
This argument fetish needs to end. This discussion is nothing if both sides aren't equally concerned with the same goal: saving lives.
 
2012-12-14 04:29:25 PM  

COMALite J:

All of this is just one example of the numerous shenanigans Moore pulled in that movie. And the really sad thing is that he had a golden opportunity to do the right thing instead. He himself has since said on video that he agrees that the SSRI hypothesis is the most likely explanation, that fits all of the known observations including timing and demographics.

If today′s tragedy involves SSRIs or SNRIs or some such as well as it almost certainly does (I would be extremely surprised if that turns out to not be the case, though it could still be hypermania caused by a brain tumor, blow to the head, etc. as was the case with most known such incidents prior to the introduction of SSRIs), then this would bring the body count of incidents we know about that would almost certainly have been prevented had Moore done the right thing, to nearly three digits.


Ignoring the rest of what you said (this just in, Michael Moore is an idiot and everyone already knew), what is this? I remember some vigilantly anti-Psychology nuts getting into a rage about SSRIs after Columbine, but the only thing officially said about it was that the shooter had some SSRI in his system and might have been influenced to go off his meds. What's this nonsense about SSRI's causing school shootings?

SSRIs do, in less than 1% of the population that takes them, exacerbate the symptoms that they're trying to cure. Many other medicines do the exact same thing. That's why in the few weeks where someone is starting an SSRI treatment plan, they should be carefully monitored by a mental health professional to make sure that if they start seeing signs of this that the treatment is terminated. However, someone being an idiot and terminating treatment abruptly, or taking too many/too little... that would be dangerous. That would be dangerous pretty much no matter what kind of pill you're talking about.
 
2012-12-14 04:29:33 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Then why is the murder rate in Japan, where guns are illegal, 1/8th the level of the US's? What, Japanese pyschos just aren't resourceful enough?


As David Lamp writes at Cato, "In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel 'have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.'"
 
2012-12-14 04:29:48 PM  

miltoncharles: I remember hearing people rail against violence in the movies and on TV. "Kids shouldn't see this," they said. "They might become violent." Others thought they were nuts.

I remember hearing people rail against violence in video games. "Kids shouldn't have these," they said. "It'll make them insensitive to death." Others thought they were nuts.

I remember hearing people say, "Kids who misbehave should be spanked. They need to learn there are consequences to their actions." Others thought they were nuts and put their kids in "time out."

Then something like this happens and all fingers point to the guns.

We had guns before the bloody movies and graphic television shows.
We had guns back when "video game" meant "Pong."
We had guns back when teachers routinely brought out the paddles to discipline students.
We had guns back when songs about killing others would never have been pressed into records.

What we didn't have before all of this was all these crazy shootings.

For most kids, watching violent movies or television will do nothing.
For most kids, listening to music that suggests violent actions will do nothing.
For most kids, playing violent video games will do nothing.

But shove enough violence into a mind that's wired just a little bit differently......

/those whiney goody-two-shoes cronies might have been right.
//Don't get me wrong. I still think there needs to be a psych exam for anyone who buys anything north of a shotgun. But there are too many guns out there to put that genie back in the bottle.
///I also think teachers should be allowed to carry.


I have been waiting for someone to make this point.
 
2012-12-14 04:29:54 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: pedrop357: Ban them and people will simply replace them with something else and you'll have accomplished little.


Then why is the murder rate in Japan, where guns are illegal, 1/8th the level of the US's? What, Japanese pyschos just aren't resourceful enough?


Maybe the Japanese culture is different. Japanese do manage a much higher suicide rate than the US.
 
2012-12-14 04:30:01 PM  
They pray to God,

shoot their guns,

and see the guts.
 
2012-12-14 04:30:03 PM  

ZeroPly: bootman: Are we to the point yet where we can demand recommendations on policy changes from the NRA and their ilk on how to prevent insane folks from obtaining firearms? The issues surrounding mentally disturbed people and firearms is an existential issue for the NRA, are they just too stupid to realize it?

The NRA has no problem with restricting insane people from owning guns. The problem is how to determine "insane". Does having a history of depression count? PTSD from Afghanistan? How about believing that a race war is imminent, and stocking up on MREs?


FNC reported that the weapons in question were registered to the mother of the shooter, who was killed with those weapons.

Doesn't really matter what laws you pass - this guy didn't buy the guns.

The problem, though no one wants to say it, is the tool. The gun. Bombs are difficult to make. Knives can't mass kill people in a short amount of time without an army. You can run a car into a crowd of people, but besides old people, no one seems to be using cars to take out their anger on other people.

I own a few guns. I'm not worried about what I'll do with them, but if someone breaks into my house and steals them, the potential for days like today goes up exponentially. I'm not enough of an advocate to understand the problem here.
 
2012-12-14 04:30:08 PM  

WhyteRaven74: JungleBoogie: y. We have a population that is more prone to internal violence than small, homogeneous groups of Israelis or Swedes, for a lot of reasons.

Check the rates of poverty in Sweden or Switzerland, then check the poverty rate in the US. You have most of your issue right there.


Getting mental health care is a tad easier as well. And by Tad I mean...farkING LEAPS AND BOUNDS ahead of us. So not so many crazy people just walking around with access to firearms.

Give 100 sane people a button that kills anyone they choose instantly and you will have 100 people alive at the end of each day (barring accidents). Add 1 mentally unbalanced person tot he mix and you will likely have at least 1 dead very soon.



ITS NOT THE farkING BUTTONS DOING THE KILLING.
/should I put that in bold?
 
2012-12-14 04:30:19 PM  

mjohnson71: netweavr: Sultan Of Herf: Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(

Wolf BLitzer has already started, he just callled all 3 "sophisticated assault weapons"...and so it begins.

That's normal. CNN will blame guns. Fox will blame video games. MSNBC will blame men.

I wish it was law for every single newsperson to take a multiple day gun familiarization classes along with biennial refresher courses.


I almost wish it were law that the police could place a 24-hour moratorium on news stories regarding mass casualties.

Almost.
 
2012-12-14 04:30:20 PM  

Ardilla: Ambivalence: Ardilla:
Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.

I don't think it needs to be that...complex. If someone says something about killing the president, people wouldn't hesitate to report that kind of thing to the secret service. That's usually how assasination attempts are thwarted, someone reports that someone has been saying things that are worrisome.

But if someone talks about being so pissed off about something they want to "put a bullet in someone's head", we tend to shrug it off as them just venting.

Why is that, I wonder? These sorts of things don't happen in a vaccum. There are always signs that we, as a whole, tend to condition ourselves to ignore or disregard. Why is that?

What's complex about that proposal? I just thought of these off the top of my head in the last few minutes. Is there something overly draconian about what I've proposed? Are you saying that what I'm proposing is not feasible?


There severe penalty part certainly is not. We tried that for drug crimes. Not so successful. You may have read about it.

Plus there's the problem of the guns already out there. They are pretty durable. We have enough in circulation already to arm the adult populace several times over.

Ban person to person gun sales. You can only sell to a registered dealer. No more gun shows. Expand buy back programs. Raises taxes on ammunition.
 
2012-12-14 04:30:43 PM  

mjohnson71: eagles95: I was going to be the designated driver at a holiday part tomorrow night. Meh....may be sleeping over now. Need a drink from all this

I don't drink when I get home from work; but a nice stiff gin and tonic would be very nice while I watch my son play.


I make it a point to not drink around my kid. He wont be around tomorrow night to see how shiatfaced i get
 
2012-12-14 04:30:57 PM  
Gun nuts have horrible arguments and are consistently logically argued and pinned to the ground with no where left to go they start repeating their dull ridiculousness they started with.
 
2012-12-14 04:30:59 PM  

Ardilla: Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.


1. A license is just a piece of paper. What you are referring to is registration. The government knows which legal owners have guns. Unconstitutional, and completely counter to the purpose of the 2A. Sorry but that's just the reality.
2. OK, so the government also has centralized medical records. Have fun with ACLU.
3. Blatant infringement. The same arguments used against voter ID laws apply here.
4. Penalties are already severe.
5. Right, registration, centralization of what lawful citizens have guns, massive added cost from ballistic identification and redundant mental health evaluations with questionable effectiveness.

Just say you want to ban guns and that at your core you are a centralized authority type of guy. I'll also speculate that this creep could have passed a hypothetical mental health evaluation. It's called lying.
 
2012-12-14 04:31:02 PM  

COMALite J: Why did the NRA choose Denver? Because the NRA is big,


But for just a bit of perspective, it has less than 4,000,000 members. The gun owning population of the US is (+-) 80,000,000 controlling over 300,000,000 personal firearms.

Yes, they're influential but even Obama could not have been elected in the first place and then reelected without the votes of millions and millions of gun owners. This is why the crickets you hear about gun control come from "both sides of the aisle"
 
2012-12-14 04:31:04 PM  

orclover: Give 100 sane people a button that kills anyone they choose instantly and you will have 100 people alive at the end of each day (barring accidents). Add 1 mentally unbalanced person tot he mix and you will likely have at least 1 dead very soon.



ITS NOT THE farkING BUTTONS DOING THE KILLING.
/should I put that in bold?


Depends. Stanley Milgram may disagree.
 
2012-12-14 04:31:06 PM  
Has anyone heard from wholedamnshow again?
 
2012-12-14 04:31:21 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Moderator: At this point in time information is coming in fast and we understand that you may want to link to a Facebook page or other information about the shooter.  Please try to refrain from doing so.  It is personal information, and it may link to innocent people unrelated to this tragedy.  Thank you for your consideration.

Good idea. So far we had, two people shot, three people shot, no kids killed, one kid killed, the shooter was the father of a child there, the shooter was 18-20 years old, the shooter was Ryan Lanza, the shooter was Adam Lanza, the shooter killed both his parents at home and then went to the school, the shooter killed his older brother and his girlfriend, the shooter went to the school and killed his mother etc....

Maybe we should take a breath and wait for facts.


welcome to Fark?
 
2012-12-14 04:31:22 PM  
 
2012-12-14 04:31:25 PM  

JungleBoogie: SpikeStrip: in a month, this will be forgotten.

I don't think so. Dead adults and teenagers - that's like war. Dead kindergardeners... one six year old grabbing his lunch before running out... that's something that's going to stick around for a long, long time.

This was the type of massacre, sufficiently brutal and grotesque, to really get some effective changes done. People need to get off their lazy butts and get involved. The first problem is breaking the control moneyed interests have over DC. The second is reducing the manufacture and sale of firearms so criminals have less access to them.


How, exactly, may manufacture and sale of firearms be reduced?
 
2012-12-14 04:31:27 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: 12349876: Sterling Thunder: If these wastes didn't have guns they would have made a homemade bomb,

The Columbine guys tried to make bombs and failed miserably, yet with their guns...


My answer to this is always "They COULD have built bombs, and yet for some reason these @ssholes always choose to go with guns instead. I wonder why...."



LET ME BE CLEAR: I don't have an opinion on the guns, my ONLY point is that if all the guns were gone tomorrow wastes like these would find another way. What happened SUCKS and it makes me sick guns or otherwise. Having been in the military I have seen BOTH guns and bombs and neither is pretty.
 
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