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2012-12-14 04:19:45 PM

Ardilla:
Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.


I don't think it needs to be that...complex. If someone says something about killing the president, people wouldn't hesitate to report that kind of thing to the secret service. That's usually how assasination attempts are thwarted, someone reports that someone has been saying things that are worrisome.

But if someone talks about being so pissed off about something they want to "put a bullet in someone's head", we tend to shrug it off as them just venting.

Why is that, I wonder? These sorts of things don't happen in a vaccum. There are always signs that we, as a whole, tend to condition ourselves to ignore or disregard. Why is that?
 
2012-12-14 04:19:48 PM
What's done is done, and we cannot bring back the 27 people, including the 18 kids, no matter how much all of us want to do so.

All we can do now is go forward. Considering the amount of tragedy involving guns that 2012 has thrust upon the victims left in its wake, gun control (whether you are for or against it) is a discussion that needs to happen at some point, as we are losing too many lives, too many people to guns, which in the hands of those who choose to do harm is a dangerous and deadly weapon.

Perhaps there should be more stringent laws regarding how these weapons are acquired. I am not saying ban all guns nor am I saying to deny the 2nd Amendment freedom to anyone, I am just saying that there should be tighter protocols regarding getting one (for example, for gun stores to offer and require you to take an in-house course about proper firearms usage, handling, and storage as well as extending the waiting period and doing a full background check - fingerprints, blood, and all in all 50 states).

If you fail the course or the instructor notices that you are just a little off or suspects a mental illness, no gun for you. If you get flagged due to the physical evidence, no gun for you.

Perhaps my suggestion is too near-sighted given the recent tragedies, but all of us need to do something. When bad people start killing innocent children and we as parents, as the global village, cannot protect them, that is where we must draw the line. That is where we must say that the bloodshed will stop here, and that change must begin.

After 9/11 and subsequent terroristic attempts involving airplanes, airport security tightened up completely. While there have been issues, they chose to change and are choosing not to go back to the old ways.

Now it is time for the gun culture in North America (yes, Canada and Mexico, you too) to change as well.

Today, however, we remember the victims and offer our support to the survivors.

// One World.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:00 PM
I wanted to see Obama's speech on this so I You Tubed it. Holyshiat, Obama gives alot of speeches like this. That's farked up.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:10 PM
You can see how they might have gotten the two brothers mixed up. Someone says "it was so-and-so's son who did it" and then they say, "You mean Ryan?" and it gets out from there.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:15 PM

Ardilla: Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.



And if we instituted those kinds of restrictions, the NRA's coveted "responsible, law abiding gun owners" could still get their guns. They would just have to jump through a few more hoops to get them in order to ENSURE that they would be "responsible, law abiding gun owners." Gun rights activists should be IN FAVOR of stricter checks before purchasing firearms because it lessens the risk that bad people can get their hands on guns -- those are the people that make all gun owners look bad.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:17 PM
Sad day for everybody. Unlike many who've been posting, I'm going to refrain from hyperbole and hysterical condemnations, and instead lament the fact that whenever a tragedy happens, be it drug or gang violence, terrorism, attempted terrorism, or a mass shooting, our Weeners as Americans is to start putting our rights on the chopping block.

If your main focus is "how could we have stopped this?" and not "how can we fix [whatever social ill as at the root of aforementioned event]?" then eventually we'll have no rights, and we won't be all that safer, because there's really no way of preventing all tragedies.

It's easy to go after everyone's rights because someone took advantage of them in order to do something evil. That goes for all rights, not just the 2nd Amendment. Not so easy to figure out why people do the things they do, why they're broken, and how to fix them.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:17 PM

USP .45: because in my view the media views the urban population as intellectually inferior and incapable or disinterested in reflecting on such reports. It's a form of latent racism.


You're not helping your case here.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:25 PM
Just out of curiosity, what would happen with the never-ending gun control debate if a madman with an assault rifle ever went nuts at an NRA meeting?
 
2012-12-14 04:20:29 PM

lacydog: netweavr: *cough*

Wow that's horrible... but hey, no deaths. Seems like it *is* harder to mass-murder without access to guns.


Sorry, I thought you were trying

Lsherm: mjohnson71: As a fairly lapsed Catholic who only goes a few times a year, I think I'm going to pick my 3 year old up from daycare and go straight to tonight's Thursday Mass.

Yes, I know that's wrong in a lot of people's eyes, but I'm really hoping for some sort of prospective on this.

Gold?

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I'll assume some bizarre autocorrect.

As a lapsed Catholic, you're better than this practicing one. I still won't go to Thursday mass because my father made us go to mass on Thanksgiving when we were growing up, and I pointed out it was bullshiat because Thanksgiving is a US holiday. Holy Thursday? Sure. The other 51 Thursdays? I have some bizarre aversion to them.

I'll be there on Sunday, as always. Curious to see what the priest has to say about it.


Sorry, Chrome's autocorrects are getting strange.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:30 PM

pedrop357: Only if we can do the same for abortions and posting to the Huffington Post.


With responses like this...it's no wonder people just end up saying "ban everything", If that is how you're going to respond to someone with a reasonable post about gun registration who specifically says they don't want to ban guns...what's the point?
 
2012-12-14 04:20:34 PM
"...Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel 'have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.'"
Give everyone a gun, then, fark it. "Crazy Calvin" wouldn't act like such a fark if he knew that everyone around him had one, too. At that point, when death is imminent, less death could happen. We will never be okay in a world with violence, though, apart from the guns. Let's fix that first.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:51 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Don't most parents put the presents out on Christmas Eve?


Unless it's different in different regions of the country, no. Other than the occasional "back in my day" I've never heard of parents putting out presents only on Christmas Eve. Ours were always placed under the tree a while before Christmas. That's not counting the "Santa" presents that always showed up overnight.. just the ones from each family member to the others, plus gifts from other folks outside the family. Regardless, if nothing else there's a closet full of presents somewhere that these parents are going to have to deal with :(
 
2012-12-14 04:21:21 PM
CPennypacker

Try again.....it CLEARLY demonstrates that more guns DO NOT = more crime.

So show me any pro gun control argument that does not hinge on this premise.
 
2012-12-14 04:21:37 PM

mrshowrules: I wanted to see Obama's speech on this so I You Tubed it. Holyshiat, Obama gives alot of speeches like this. That's farked up.


He looks so old and beat down. I feel sorry for him.
 
2012-12-14 04:21:41 PM
stop killing people!
 
2012-12-14 04:21:46 PM
I was going to be the designated driver at a holiday part tomorrow night. Meh....may be sleeping over now. Need a drink from all this
 
2012-12-14 04:21:49 PM

Somacandra: nekom: just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.

nekom: just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.

nekom: just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.

nekom: just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.
 

Thank you. This would include a President with two school-aged daughters. As a parent with one in Kindergarten, I can totally see why he'd be overcome.


except he drops bombs on kids everyday and is personally responsible for giving the order to assassinate a 17 year old US citizen. He made his bed, he can sleep in it
 
2012-12-14 04:21:53 PM
Wait, now Fox says it isn't Ryan Lanza and was his brother Adam.
 
2012-12-14 04:21:56 PM

Moderator: At this point in time information is coming in fast and we understand that you may want to link to a Facebook page or other information about the shooter.  Please try to refrain from doing so.  It is personal information, and it may link to innocent people unrelated to this tragedy.  Thank you for your consideration.


Good idea. So far we had, two people shot, three people shot, no kids killed, one kid killed, the shooter was the father of a child there, the shooter was 18-20 years old, the shooter was Ryan Lanza, the shooter was Adam Lanza, the shooter killed both his parents at home and then went to the school, the shooter killed his older brother and his girlfriend, the shooter went to the school and killed his mother etc....

Maybe we should take a breath and wait for facts.
 
2012-12-14 04:21:57 PM
To the don't politicize this crowd, fark you. It's exactly the time to, because we all know our attention span. And, fine, you don't want to infringe on your precious gun rights, then fark it...lets just legalize and mass distribute grenades, landmines and napalm. They can kill just as equally as a semi-auto can anyways.
 
2012-12-14 04:22:13 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-14 04:22:20 PM

shower_in_my_socks: And if we instituted those kinds of restrictions, the NRA's coveted "responsible, law abiding gun owners" could still get their guns. They would just have to jump through a few more hoops to get them in order to ENSURE that they would be "responsible, law abiding gun owners." Gun rights activists should be IN FAVOR of stricter checks before purchasing firearms because it lessens the risk that bad people can get their hands on guns -- those are the people that make all gun owners look bad.


dear zombie christ, this.
 
2012-12-14 04:22:20 PM

bootman: Are we to the point yet where we can demand recommendations on policy changes from the NRA and their ilk on how to prevent insane folks from obtaining firearms? The issues surrounding mentally disturbed people and firearms is an existential issue for the NRA, are they just too stupid to realize it?


The NRA has no problem with restricting insane people from owning guns. The problem is how to determine "insane". Does having a history of depression count? PTSD from Afghanistan? How about believing that a race war is imminent, and stocking up on MREs?
 
2012-12-14 04:22:24 PM

Virtue: CPennypacker

Try again.....it CLEARLY demonstrates that more guns DO NOT = more crime.

So show me any pro gun control argument that does not hinge on this premise.


Your whole point was that a different country with more guns has less gun violence. Seems like the logical conclusion is that we can't be trusted with them here.
 
2012-12-14 04:22:31 PM

Virtue: "As David Lamp writes at Cato, "In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel 'have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.'""


BS! Getting Guns in Israel if you live past the Green Line (settlers) is easy, for everyone else I believe there is a requirement to show need. The CATO guy is being disingenuous, surprise! There are 88.8 private guns for every 100 people in the US, in Israel there are 7.3/10

He is including military guns which are a different story
 
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2012-12-14 04:22:46 PM
If those children had had guns, they could've shot the gunman before he'd shot so many of them.

The solution is to allow children to carry guns.

/haven't read the thread, anyone suggested this yet? It's the only logical solution.
 
2012-12-14 04:22:48 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: shower_in_my_socks: WhyteRaven74: they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier


His mother worked at the school. Possible chain of events: gets pissed at his family, kills his bro, drives to his mother's school, kills her, and then just goes completely farking apeshiat and kills every little kid in the room. CRAZY.

Why is the other brother in custody then?


Im going with mommy attention issues. Teachers tend to spend a lot of their personal time on school stuff...Im thinking this kid couldnt handle it...and chances are the other dead family members had told him to STFU n get over it...maybe he couldnt.


Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(


Wolf BLitzer has already started, he just callled all 3 "sophisticated assault weapons"...and so it begins.
 
2012-12-14 04:22:57 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Wait, now Fox says it isn't Ryan Lanza and was his brother Adam.


I've seen different sources jump back and forth between the two that I'm not going to believe it unless they know for sure who was who in this.
 
2012-12-14 04:22:58 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Carn: Like it's not valid to talk about gun control when 18 kids get shot in a rampage?

How about we try to figure out why people do stupid shiat like this and see if we can't stop they before they get going? Nah, that's just crazy. I don't know what came over me there. Let's continue trying focusing on the tools instead of the users. It hasn't worked in the past, but that just means it about to start working.


A hammer is a tool. A gun is a weapon.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:01 PM
Ardilla

Virtue: As David Lamp writes at Cato, "In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel 'have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.'"


Right, so we have to deal with reality, not fantasy. We have a population that is more prone to internal violence than small, homogeneous groups of Israelis or Swedes, for a lot of reasons. But that's a fact, unpleasant though it may be. But it's reality. So, we need laws that work for our society, to limit the massacres.

And that means reducing the control moneyed interests, like the arms industry, has over the government. Then limiting the manufacture and sale of firearms so that there will be less firearms for criminals to get.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:07 PM

WhyteRaven74: orclover: So ignore them and hope they go away? Personally I am an advocate of prozak in the water supplies.

Just tell them we want a functioning society and we'll have one with or without their support.


As long as we dont call it a civilized society, such a thing has never really existed.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:18 PM

dukeblue219: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Don't most parents put the presents out on Christmas Eve?

Unless it's different in different regions of the country, no. Other than the occasional "back in my day" I've never heard of parents putting out presents only on Christmas Eve. Ours were always placed under the tree a while before Christmas. That's not counting the "Santa" presents that always showed up overnight.. just the ones from each family member to the others, plus gifts from other folks outside the family. Regardless, if nothing else there's a closet full of presents somewhere that these parents are going to have to deal with :(


weird. My dad always put them under the tree after I went to bed.

My mom never gave me presents because she converted to Judaism and I wasn't Jewish.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:19 PM

dennysgod: Westboro Baptist church blaming this on Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalizing same-sex marriages last month in 3...2...1...


/you know those f*ckers will


And protest the funerals of the kids. That's how they roll.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:19 PM

miltoncharles: We had guns before the bloody movies and graphic television shows.
We had guns back when "video game" meant "Pong."
We had guns back when teachers routinely brought out the paddles to discipline students.
We had guns back when songs about killing others would never have been pressed into records.

What we didn't have before all of this was all these crazy shootings.


I'm pretty sure that Jack the Ripper didn't watch violent movies or have an Xbox 360. Mass murders and mental illness go back as far as humans have existed. As far as a lack of discipline goes I really don't think you can spank the crazy out of someone.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:40 PM

topcon: [i.imgur.com image 706x762]


Please tell me Reddit ran a silly photoshop contest to show how jump-the-gun our media has become.

Please. I can't take it.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:42 PM

Virtue: Ardilla

As David Lamp writes at Cato, "In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel 'have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.'"



I know this has come up before but Michael Moore pointed this out in Bowling for Columbine years ago, with Canada. Except nobody paid attention because they erroneously thought it was an anti-gun movie when really it was asking:

what's up with the culture that so many people turn into killers?

Is it a lack of adequate mental health care? Do we all too easily ignore people who are sick?

Is it media, with glorification of weapons and war? One might say to that: demand gets its supply. Where does the demand come from and why? Is it a cycle?

I think it's a complex mix of factors that have lead to the devaluing of human life and dignity, which is ironic considering some of the political sloganeering.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:57 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(

Wolf BLitzer has already started, he just callled all 3 "sophisticated assault weapons"...and so it begins.


That's normal. CNN will blame guns. Fox will blame video games. MSNBC will blame men.
 
2012-12-14 04:23:59 PM

Ambivalence: Ardilla:
Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.

I don't think it needs to be that...complex. If someone says something about killing the president, people wouldn't hesitate to report that kind of thing to the secret service. That's usually how assasination attempts are thwarted, someone reports that someone has been saying things that are worrisome.

But if someone talks about being so pissed off about something they want to "put a bullet in someone's head", we tend to shrug it off as them just venting.

Why is that, I wonder? These sorts of things don't happen in a vaccum. There are always signs that we, as a whole, tend to condition ourselves to ignore or disregard. Why is that?


What's complex about that proposal? I just thought of these off the top of my head in the last few minutes. Is there something overly draconian about what I've proposed? Are you saying that what I'm proposing is not feasible?
 
2012-12-14 04:24:01 PM

pedrop357: shower_in_my_socks: My answer to this is always "They COULD have built bombs, and yet for some reason these @ssholes always choose to go with guns instead. I wonder why...."

They did build bombs, they just sucked. Had the bombs worked, Columbine would have eclipse the Bath massacre.



I'm not just talking about Columbine. I'm talking about all mass shootings. They reach for the guns first because they are the most efficient killing weapons your average, untrained person can get their hands on. Today there was also a mass knife attack at a school in China that got 22 kids stabbed and cut, and yet none of them died. I imagine that Chinese psycho would have much preferred to have done it with a gun, if only he could have found one.
 
2012-12-14 04:24:05 PM

Gabrin_Kinoda: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Pssst...to any young kids reading Fark today in elementary school. First of all, you shouldn't be on this site, it's nasty. But second of all, when you go home tonight, you can pretty much write your own farking check. Have your folks been hemming and hawing about that puppy or bicycle or Xbox you really want for Christmas? Now's your chance. Just put on those big, wet anime eyes, and say something cute like, "I wuv you mommy," or "Can we have pasketti for dinner," and then drop a little hint about great it would be to have a bike or puppy or Xbox, and how happy it would make you and it sure would be a shame if Something Bad happened to you before you got a chance to enjoy it. Also, you got a pretty good shot at ice cream for dessert tonight.

This is pretty much what I plan on doing tonight with my kids. My husband and 9-yr-old daughter are playing Flames of War at the local gaming shop tonight. I'll make sure he takes her for pizza before and ice cream afterward. I'll be doing the same at home with our 3-yr-old son--watching back-to-back episodes of "Spongebob" and eating popcorn until we explode. As others have said, I'll hug them tigher and shower them with kisses and tell them how much I love them 47 times before they go to bed. Because I can. And my heart aches for those who can't tonight.


I have you farkied as being from my hometown. Have a slice of Shakespeare's for me and my kids, who are getting spoiled silly tonight too.
 
2012-12-14 04:24:17 PM
This whole thing makes me physically ill. I just can't... There are NO WORDS.
 
2012-12-14 04:24:33 PM

inner ted: coco ebert: The topic of mental health funding always comes up when the shooter is white. fark that, Imma go with terrorist sumamabiatch.

yes, please keep bringing race into an incident that had little to nothing to do with race.

/when you tire out that chicken, what will you move on to?


Isn't it crazy how it's never about race when a white person is the perpetrator?
 
2012-12-14 04:24:35 PM

futalfufu: I'm supposed to go make people laugh tonight, and I'm trying not to cry.

/my heart goes out to everyone


It will be tough, but people are going to need a laugh more then ever.
 
2012-12-14 04:24:50 PM

mrshowrules: IRQ12: : mrshowrulesJerseyTim: CBS: Six more children found hiding in closets at school. #newtown- jessica testa (@jtes) December 14, 2012


Is there a source for this? If that is tru it's so brutal I can't even think,

IfSterling Thunder: Having 4 kids this makes me very sad and very angry. I don't care about which side of gun control you fall on as there is likely no changing your mind. If these wastes didn't have guns they would have made a homemade bomb, waste like this don't care or think they just act. Of course the cowards offed themselves or went and hid because consequences are for others. There is no punishment harsh enough.

You start by saying you don't care which side you are on but then proceed to give a tired pro-gun argument.

How long does it take to build a bomb big enough to kill this many people? How long does it take a mentally person to build a device like this. I had a close friend who has schizophrenia. When he was losing his faculties he found even the most mundane tasks complicated. Building a bomb for him would be impossible.



I say I don't care because people have made up their minds, and that is fine. My very valid point is that wastes like this will find a way. I didn't say it was ok that they used guns or others should or shouldn't have them. Keep your projections to yourself.
 
2012-12-14 04:24:54 PM

WizardofToast: topcon: [i.imgur.com image 706x762]

Please tell me Reddit ran a silly photoshop contest to show how jump-the-gun our media has become.

Please. I can't take it.


No idea, I saw it somewhere else.

farked up what the news did to that first guy, though.
 
2012-12-14 04:24:57 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(

Simply put, I was right, he was a yahoo gun nut, not a responsible owner. I called that shiat a mile away a few hours ago.

Totally done now.


and that is why you fail...guns belonged to the parents according to CNN.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:10 PM

make me some tea: coco ebert: There is no proper day for politics. Politics is a part of everything we do. If we were there or at the funeral, there is something to be said about not talking about something like that, but this is an internet posting board for chrissakes. Deal with it.

Link


Huh. I did not expect that from Barack "I'm going to be the most pro-gun president EVAH even though conservatives still won't vote for me" Obama.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:17 PM

zedster: He is including military guns which are a different story


You do realize that is coming from the anti gun crowd right?
 
2012-12-14 04:25:19 PM

Fark It: Weeners


welp
 
2012-12-14 04:25:19 PM
Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.


At which point a thriving black market in guns starts up, and anybody with bucks can get whatever guns they want, and we're back to square one. See Prohibition, War on Drugs, etc. The Genie is out of the bottle for good. Restricting law abiding citizens from access to self defense guns will have the perverse effect of making ALL of us even more vulnerable to the bad guys.

What Miltoncharles said, it's not the guns, it's our farked up culture. I blame TV/movies. They have really twisted up our society.
 
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