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2012-12-14 04:13:45 PM  

nekom: just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.



nekom: just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.


nekom: just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.



nekom: just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.
 

Thank you. This would include a President with two school-aged daughters. As a parent with one in Kindergarten, I can totally see why he'd be overcome.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:48 PM  

Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(



223 Bushmaster firing at a range.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:48 PM  

eddievercetti: I just heard FOX has some douche blaming video games, of course FOX, go after everything but the crazy!


That's Fox's M.O. They blame something that will offend none of their core viewership but at the same time will let them rhetoric up the angry.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:56 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Kit Fister: I will fight for proper means to deal with the precipitating causes.

So you support doing everything we can to eradicate poverty?


Yes, and work on mental health problems.
 
2012-12-14 04:14:02 PM  

coco ebert: Imma go with terrorist sumamabiatch.


Hmmm, and the case for the NRA giving aid and comfort to terrorists builds.
 
2012-12-14 04:14:05 PM  

bikerbob59: dennysgod: Westboro Baptist church blaming this on Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalizing same-sex marriages last month in 3...2...1...


/you know those f*ckers will

God, I never thought about them until now. They will do something, I'm sure.



You know how they'll play it.  State that they'll picket the funerals of the murdered children, just as they planned to do after the shooting at an Amish school several years back.  The only thing that stopped them that time was an offer of air time from a radio station in exchange for them refraining from picketing. 
 
2012-12-14 04:14:06 PM  

orclover: So ignore them and hope they go away? Personally I am an advocate of prozak in the water supplies.


Just tell them we want a functioning society and we'll have one with or without their support.
 
2012-12-14 04:14:14 PM  

Cybernetic: brnt00: Someone posted to my FB that a kid was yelling:

"I just want Christmas....I don't want to die. I just want to have Christmas"

true or not that's one of the saddest farking things I've ever read. just awful.

Holy shiat.


Probably not true but that's farking awful
 
2012-12-14 04:14:16 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Carn: Like it's not valid to talk about gun control when 18 kids get shot in a rampage?

How about we try to figure out why people do stupid shiat like this and see if we can't stop they before they get going? Nah, that's just crazy. I don't know what came over me there. Let's continue trying focusing on the tools instead of the users. It hasn't worked in the past, but that just means it about to start working.


It's not like we don't KNOW what causes these sorts of thing: Child abuse, chemical imbalances, repressed rage, conditioned agression, sociopathy, blah blah blah. Mitigating those qualities can take decades and require unacceptable restrictions on things like child bearing and parenting. The "nanny state" if you will. Assuming we could even agree what the best means of mitigation would be.

So how do we mitigate this kind of violence in the short term?

There is no one magic bullet (pardon the expression) to solve this problem so it's ridiculous to discount individual options just because it doens't "fix" the problem by itself.
 
2012-12-14 04:14:29 PM  

eddievercetti: I just heard FOX has some douche blaming video games, of course FOX, go after everything but the crazy!


Videogames are just the new version of 'rock and roll'. Something popular to blame while doing jacksquat about the real reasons behind the murder.
 
2012-12-14 04:14:37 PM  
Is Omarion OK?
 
2012-12-14 04:14:40 PM  

Kome: There is never going to be a convenient time to talk about the issues surrounding mass shootings. Toughen up and have the f*cking conversation anyway. This sh*t will not go away unless we have the goddamn conversation.

Don't know if someone else has posted this yet, so I'll just leave this here:

Eleven facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States. Link


People on Fark discussing this isn't changing shiat. Go write a Congressman and talk to him. No one on Fark can help you.
 
2012-12-14 04:14:48 PM  

USP .45: Ardilla: So, you're cool with this sort of thing happening over and over again, then?

At minimum, we need to have a national discussion about gun control and, yes, about mental health. But it's long past time for us to enact some sensible guidelines and restrictions.

Wringing our hands yet doing nothing, yet again, is not acceptable.

Anytime someone says "sensible" it tells me they have no farking clue about anything.

Say what the sensible guidelines and restrictions are. I already suggested one.


Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.
 
2012-12-14 04:14:56 PM  

Bontesla: /no. Not really.


Hey, I admitted that I was temporarily nuts. We need to keep ignoring crazy people and continue to focus on guns. The fact that is hasn't worked yet is just proof that it will.
 
2012-12-14 04:15:18 PM  
I just spoke to my 2 year old grand-daughter and I'll tell you the tears started flowing. Is it wrong for a 47 year old man to cry like a baby because I just couldn't help myself after hearing her voice. And we're over a thousand miles from that school. Such a senseless act and those saying we don't need some sort of gun control are clearly out of their farking minds.
 
2012-12-14 04:15:21 PM  

TheNewJesus: I would like to buy a round for everyone.

Also, cmon, if this wasn't holiday season and everyone wasn't goofing off at work these threads would be dismal and not so busy...

FREE DIRNKS


Yeah - I could f**king use one about now.
 
2012-12-14 04:15:28 PM  
From Yahoo and I know some shootings are missing

April 2 - A gunman kills seven people and wounds three in a shooting rampage at a Christian college in Oakland.
July 20 - A masked gunman kills 12 people and wounds 58 when he opens fire on moviegoers at a showing of the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, a suburb of Denver, Colorado.
August 5 - A gunman kills six people during Sunday services at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, before he is shot dead by a police officer.
August 24 - Two people are killed and eight wounded in a shooting outside the landmark Empire State Building in New York City at the height of the tourist season.
September 27 - A disgruntled former employee kills five people and takes his own life in a shooting rampage at a Minneapolis sign company from which he had been fired.
October 21 - Three people are killed in a Milwaukee area spa including the estranged wife of the suspected gunman, who then killed himself.
December 14 - A shooter opens fire at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, killing several people including children.
 
2012-12-14 04:15:29 PM  
Kome

From your link

"As David Lamp writes at Cato, "In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel 'have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.'""
 
2012-12-14 04:15:37 PM  

12349876: Sterling Thunder: If these wastes didn't have guns they would have made a homemade bomb,

The Columbine guys tried to make bombs and failed miserably, yet with their guns...



My answer to this is always "They COULD have built bombs, and yet for some reason these @ssholes always choose to go with guns instead. I wonder why...."
 
2012-12-14 04:15:44 PM  

Warthog: I sit here and keep mindlessly refreshing this thread, hoping for....I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter how the news develops from here. Those kids are dead and it's never going to make sense. And we're never going to get justice. And nothing in this stupid debate is ever going to change.


I'm right here with you.

/this
 
2012-12-14 04:15:46 PM  

eddievercetti: With this and what happened in China, is there nothing to help the mentally unstable at all?


They used to be killed or locked away in asylums. Once the left demanded that they be reintegrated into the population, this kind of thing started becoming more common.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:00 PM  
Chaotic situation, many dead, awful news for America. Getting accurate reports is difficult amid the chaos and suffering, and we have to think of the families who have lost loved ones. Officials who are telling us what is going on still aren't sure of the motives or the actors in this situation, nor even the body count at this point.

So has John McCain made this a scandal yet?
 
2012-12-14 04:16:00 PM  

mjohnson71: netweavr: *cough*

And how many died?


Dunno, it doesn't say. It implies 4 seriously injured but doesn't give the number of fatalities. I imagine it would be more if the psycho had a gun if that's the implication.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:05 PM  
ihopOVERpancakes:
I like it. My moment (or one of them) was probably learning how to bake with my mom when I was about 7. I had the brilliant idea of turning the mixer on full speed when nothing but flour and sugar was in the bowl... spent a good ten minutes cleaning up the mess.

I wish I'd first done that when I was only 7... instead of, you know, my mid-20's. Cringe.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:21 PM  

netweavr: *cough*


Wow that's horrible... but hey, no deaths. Seems like it *is* harder to mass-murder without access to guns.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:23 PM  
[from the second thread]

IlGreven: COMALite J: I went into much more detail on this in the thread on the Chardon, OH High School shooting on February 28, 2012. Please see the follow-up posts as well.

...all that post tells me is that you never even watched Bowling for Columbine.


I′ve not only watched it, I′ve posted extensively on it on FARK and elsewhere, including on videos uploaded under Michael Moore′s very own official ‶mmflint" YouTube channel (he had the incredible gall to upload his Charlton Heston interview video [that formed the climax of B4C] just ‶48-hours [sic] after [Charlton Heston] was pronounced dead..."!).

I′ve very thoroughly ripped that movie to quivering, bleeding shreds. Comments by me doing so (under the handle ‶COMALiteJ" since at the time I set up my YouTube account, it hadn′t been bought out by Google yet, and still didn′t allow spaces nor any other punctuation such as periods or hyphens or even underscores in user names) are on not only that mmflint-uploaded video, but also other videos uploading the entire movie in twelve parts (back when YouTube imposed a ten-minute length limit on most users) by ZOYA09 aka TriPhazer (who subsequently Blocked me because I kept showing how nude his Emperor Moore was) and others, in which I point out exact time points to freeze-frame at to see his shenanigans with your own eyeballs, right off the video itself.

Here are a couple of example of people in this very [second] thread (besides you) taken in by his shenanigans:

jigger: Franko: If gun laws won't prevent these kinds of things from happening, and gun ownership doesn't cause these kinds of things, then I have to ask: is american society just violent by nature?

Have you watched Bowling for Columbine? That's the basic premise of the movie. Most people don't get that.

Actually, human nature is violent, but in America it tends to be pent up and released in unpredictable ways.


No, that′s not quite correct. Moore did try to revise his movie after the wake-up call that I alluded to earlier (more on that later) to give it some deeper meaning, but it was originally, by his own admission, just about gun violence, and intended to be an anti-NRA and anti-Heston screed.

As part of its revamping, he added the bit towards the end about the ‶Culture of Fear," and used technically true but thrice-cooked statistics comparing the USA with a selected handful of other nations (that selecting itself constituting a fourth ‵cooking" method for the statistics) to make it look like the USA was far and away worse than other nations when it came to gun deaths. Yes, we are worse, but by nowhere near as much as Moore′s quad-cooked statistics made us appear, and his whole Culture of Fear premise required that we be vastly worse than we actually are. Without such an overwhelming disparity between our gun deaths and those of other nations, there′s not even a phenomenon that needs an explanation, let alone that one!

Here′s another example:

Dimensio: Cyberluddite: WTF is wrong with people??

And if Charleton Heston were still around, I'll bet he would be booking a flight to CT right now to hold an NRA rally there in the next week or two, as he did in Colorado right after Columbine.

Are you unaware that the only meeting held by the National Rifle Association in Colorado following the shooting in Columbine was one mandated by law and that had been arranged several months in advance, or are you dishonestly ignoring this fact?


Actually, Dimensio got one thing wrong: it′d been planned years in advance, not just months. The NRA is a very sizable non-profit corporation, and as such, it must hold an Annual Shareholder′s Meeting. The members are shareholders, and by law the Board of Directors must account to them in person each and every year on how they′re spending the funds from dues and donations. This is true of all such organizations. Most combine other events to be held at the same location and week or weekend to entice more of their members to come and attend the meeting, which is the real purpose. The combination of the required Shareholder′s Meeting with the additional enticements is called a ‶Convention."

In the case of the NRA, the conventions (note: not ‶rallies" ― the KKK is infamous for holding rallies, so Moore used that term to subtly imply racism and even collaboration with the KKK on the part of Heston and the NRA and set the psychological stage for his subsequent ludicrously 180° diametrically opposite from the truth ‶A Brief History of America" cartoon in the movie that tried to conflate the two) include, in addition to the legally required Shareholder′s Meeting, such things as gun safety and other seminars, a gun expo (open to the general public ― Moore even showed a billboard of this in his Denver footage, showing the dates ― do you honestly think that the NRA could possibly have put something like that together, including designing and installing a billboard, and had it up long enough in advance to bring traffic to the Expo, and do all of that in the just ten days [by Moore′s own statement right around that very timepoint!] since Columbine happened until the Convention itself, and that they did all of this just to gloat and rub the people of Denver′s noses in the tragedy, or even to do media ‶damage control" in the wake of the tragedy?), various festivities, etc.

Just months ago, we had the RNC and DNC. To the general public, those were just to officially nominate the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates, but that was just part of it. They also had to have their own Delegate′s Meetings (analogous to Shareholder′s Meetings), where the delegates voted on key rules and party platform changes, among other things. Both the RNC and DNC bosses pulled some serious shenanigans (which I′ve posted on at length before), the RNC far more seriously. But I digress....

Consider this: Columbine High School is not in Denver, but in Littleton! Littleton is a separate town, perhaps part of greater Denver, but a substantial commute away. If Heston and/or the NRA really wanted to gloat and/or do damage control in the wake of such a tragedy, they′d′ve done it in Littleton, not Denver! I mean, like, y′know, duh!!

Why did the NRA choose Denver? Because the NRA is big, and for logistics reasons has to hold its conventions in big cities. But why Denver? Because then-Mayor Wellington Webb all but got down on his knees and begged them to come to Denver! A major convention like that is a big boost to the local tourism-related economy, and thus the overall economy! All of the big tourism- and convention center-equipped cities bid very competitively to be chosen to host such conventions! They do all in their power to persuade the organizations such as the NRA (and RNC and DNC and even the Barbershop Harmony Society and such) to pick them! The NRA picks a different city for each year, and they do them years in advance.

There are many contracts that have to be negotiated and signed, for travel agencies, lodging, venues, shuttles and other in-city transportation, restaurants for special events, etc. etc. etc. Breaking such contracts is not done lightly.

So, after this tragedy, with Mayor Webb changing his tune and begging the NRA not to come, why did they come anyway? Why ignore those emotional pleas? Because even setting aside all those contracts, the law said that they had to hold at least the Shareholder′s Meeting. The law also stipulates that they cannot cancel it outright for any reason. Nor can they change its time nor location without giving at least ten days′ advance written notice to all several hundred thousand of their members! Remember when Columbine happened relative to the NRA Convention? Moore said it himself: ten days! Even if they could somehow have canceled all those contracts and established a new venue and re-set up the meeting as quickly as possible after having heard of the tragedy, and even if they had a Star Trek transporter to beam themselves to the places needed to do all of this and beam the written notifications to their members, there still wouldn′t′ve been enough time! They could not cancel nor change the time nor place of that meeting! Not without breaking the law, and you wouldn′t want to violate FARK Terms of Use by promoting an illegal action, now, would you?

Funny how Moore neglected to mention any of that B4C, and instead went out of his way to make it look like Heston and the NRA just rushed to Denver to gloat and/or do damage control in the face of the tragedy, huh?

Okay, so why not at least cancel the optional stuff? The stuff added onto the Shareholder′s Meeting to form the overall Convention? The seminars? The festivities? The gun expo? Well, guess what? They did!! And guess what? Charlton Heston talked about that in the very speech that Moore showed in the movie! It was in the parts that Moore cut out of the speech (as he did everything that showed Heston or the NRA in a remotely positive light, leaving only out-of-context snippets that put concepts into his mouth that he never said ― you don′t have to take my word for this: Moore used to have a full transcript of the speech on his own website, and you can still find it via the Internet Wayback Machine!).

All of this is just one example of the numerous shenanigans Moore pulled in that movie. And the really sad thing is that he had a golden opportunity to do the right thing instead. He himself has since said on video that he agrees that the SSRI hypothesis is the most likely explanation, that fits all of the known observations including timing and demographics.

If today′s tragedy involves SSRIs or SNRIs or some such as well as it almost certainly does (I would be extremely surprised if that turns out to not be the case, though it could still be hypermania caused by a brain tumor, blow to the head, etc. as was the case with most known such incidents prior to the introduction of SSRIs), then this would bring the body count of incidents we know about that would almost certainly have been prevented had Moore done the right thing, to nearly three digits.

And today, 1½ dozen of them were children.

Good job, Michael Moore.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:26 PM  

Hand Banana: Oh god, I just realized these kids most likely have presents sitting at home under their trees right now.


That comment is like taking the ending of Grave of the Fireflies and adding a dying puppy to it.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:26 PM  
I'm supposed to go make people laugh tonight, and I'm trying not to cry.

/my heart goes out to everyone
 
2012-12-14 04:16:29 PM  

letrole: The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitmore, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Ah yes. If only things were they way they were 40 years ago.

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-12-14 04:16:32 PM  

12349876: Sterling Thunder: If these wastes didn't have guns they would have made a homemade bomb,

The Columbine guys tried to make bombs and failed miserably, yet with their guns...


Richard Reid tried to make a bomb to blow up a plane in flight and failed miserably. He wasn't successful, yet now every time we fly we all have to take off our shoes to go through security.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:40 PM  
What I find hard to believe is that firearms have existed for quite some time yet this sort of thing did not happen nowhere near as often as it does now. Therefore I can't rationally accuse the firearms for what is happening and must search for other causes.

Sorry gun haters, but it doesn't make sense. You're not addressing the underlying problem, you're just trying to keep it from manifesting.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:42 PM  
Ardilla

As David Lamp writes at Cato, "In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel 'have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.'"
 
2012-12-14 04:16:50 PM  

dwrash: I could also run around with a machete and a compound bow and do just as much damage.


No, you really couldn't.

Guns are a point and click lethal device, designed to deliver high velocity projectiles accurately from a distance. You certainly could do damage with an arrow or machete. Or car for that matter. But a firearm is a device that is the peak of lethal evolution. It is the most effective, inexpensive man-portable killing device that humanity has today.

That is why combat soldiers go into battle with firearms, and not bows and arrows, or machetes.
 
2012-12-14 04:16:53 PM  

Ardilla: Let's start with a framework:

1) Make it absolutely illegal to buy, sell, own, or use a gun without earning a license and enact SEVERE criminal penalties for violations of this/these law/s.
2) Make it mandatory to pass a mental health screening as a condition of earning a license.
3) Gun licenses must be renewed at least as often as drivers' licenses are renewed, with repeat mental health screening at each renewal.
4) SEVERE criminal penalties for anyone who sells or gives a gun to an unlicensed person.
5) Require all guns to be registered as we do cars, with a mandatory ballistic ID database program.

You'll note that I am not advocating the absolute prohibition of guns. But these steps would go a long way toward limiting the number of mentally unstable people with guns.


Only if we can do the same for abortions and posting to the Huffington Post.
 
2012-12-14 04:17:04 PM  

mjohnson71: As a fairly lapsed Catholic who only goes a few times a year, I think I'm going to pick my 3 year old up from daycare and go straight to tonight's Thursday Mass.

Yes, I know that's wrong in a lot of people's eyes, but I'm really hoping for some sort of prospective on this.


Gold?

img577.imageshack.us

I'll assume some bizarre autocorrect.

As a lapsed Catholic, you're better than this practicing one. I still won't go to Thursday mass because my father made us go to mass on Thanksgiving when we were growing up, and I pointed out it was bullshiat because Thanksgiving is a US holiday. Holy Thursday? Sure. The other 51 Thursdays? I have some bizarre aversion to them.

I'll be there on Sunday, as always. Curious to see what the priest has to say about it.
 
2012-12-14 04:17:05 PM  
in a month, this will be forgotten.
 
2012-12-14 04:17:10 PM  
Can people not conceive of the idea that the framers of the Constitution may not have been superhuman, all-knowing and eternally wise people. In the words of Oliver Cromwell: I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken.
 
2012-12-14 04:17:26 PM  
Don't be mentally ill in Arizona. Care for the SMI in Arizona was so bad, a court-appointed monitor was created. One of the things the Governor managed to have canceled during budget cuts was the monitor.
I have no idea whether the office was reinstated but if it was it isn't doing its job.
 
2012-12-14 04:17:33 PM  

jst3p: SharpieIncident: IronTom: How much could it cost to put walk-through metal detectors and automatic doors in each school? And to close up all entrances except one. A trillion?

This. They make doors that are only locked from the outside. I don't want random arseholes wandering through my kid's school for ANY reason. This isn't Walmart.

My kids have them, but the front door is unlocked. I don't see how metal detectors would count.

Guy with guns walks in.

*BEEEP*BEEP*BEEP*

"Sir? can I ..."*BLAM*


The portcullis goes down, or does not come up. Or some other physical barrier blocks him, preferably automatically, or a cop is always stationed there, with deterrent means.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-14 04:17:55 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: My answer to this is always "They COULD have built bombs, and yet for some reason these @ssholes always choose to go with guns instead. I wonder why...."


They did build bombs, they just sucked. Had the bombs worked, Columbine would have eclipse the Bath massacre.
 
2012-12-14 04:18:02 PM  

Somacandra: USP .45: no I was saying white people are latenty racist regarding another issue

I was there. Weaseling out of it makes you look weak. You said Fark was anti-White because it would only report and highlight white male mass murderers or wanna-be's. You were proved wrong with many linked threads. You should probably acknowledge you were wrong if you want any credibility. Stand for something and take your lumps.


No I said the site, and media in general is more apt to sensationalize any form of white shooting especially when there are nice key words like "assault rifle" involved, whereas there is disproportionately less emphasis on gang shootings, because in my view the media views the urban population as intellectually inferior and incapable or disinterested in reflecting on such reports. It's a form of latent racism. "Proved wrong," by smaller threads that never reached national attention. So I forward a pretty reasonable opinion and get called a white supremacist/racist because for whatever reason you have an interest in defending the media -- the same media interviewing children and giving out incorrect Facebook information.
 
2012-12-14 04:18:11 PM  
UGH no fox. We do not need Rudy Giuliani.
 
2012-12-14 04:18:27 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(

Simply put, I was right, he was a yahoo gun nut, not a responsible owner. I called that shiat a mile away a few hours ago.

Totally done now.


There are a lot of responsible gun owners that own AR-15's. Just sayin'
 
2012-12-14 04:18:32 PM  

SpikeStrip: in a month, this will be forgotten.


Sadly, it will. I hope we do remember but we won't.
 
2012-12-14 04:18:41 PM  

Kit Fister: Yes, and work on mental health problems.


Then you have little need to worry about guns
 
2012-12-14 04:19:03 PM  

AugustWest: Ah yes. If only things were they way they were 40 years ago.


You should probably try reading his account name before you bother responding again...
 
2012-12-14 04:19:27 PM  

SpikeStrip: in a month, this will be forgotten.


I'd hate to agree with you, but that's the cruel reality. I wish the people could just march in a crowd to D.C. and demand they do something. Doesn't matter if it's control or allowing more access. Just farking try something.
 
2012-12-14 04:19:28 PM  
OMFG I take a day to unplug and get shiat done and look what happens!!!1!11!

Fark! This is the first thing I see when I log back on. Holy. Shiat.

Look, future assholes: Kill YOURSELVES. That's it. Only you. The kids are OFF LIMITS.

/hugs kids
//is a little deader inside than 5 minutes ago
 
2012-12-14 04:19:28 PM  

Virtue: Ardilla

As David Lamp writes at Cato, "In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel 'have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.'"


So what you're saying is, we're so crazy here that even with our current laws we're worse than a country with no regulation. Were you trying to make the point that we need harsher gun control laws?
 
2012-12-14 04:19:43 PM  

lacydog: netweavr: *cough*

Wow that's horrible... but hey, no deaths. Seems like it *is* harder to mass-murder without access to guns.


Where do you see no deaths?
 
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