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2012-12-14 04:06:38 PM  
As a fairly lapsed Catholic who only goes a few times a year, I think I'm going to pick my 3 year old up from daycare and go straight to tonight's Thursday Mass.

Yes, I know that's wrong in a lot of people's eyes, but I'm really hoping for some sort of prospective on this.
 
2012-12-14 04:07:08 PM  
which well-regulated militia did the shooter belong to?
 
2012-12-14 04:07:16 PM  
Dawn Hochsprung, principal
i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-12-14 04:07:24 PM  

Sterling Thunder: Having 4 kids this makes me very sad and very angry. I don't care about which side of gun control you fall on as there is likely no changing your mind. If these wastes didn't have guns they would have made a homemade bomb, waste like this don't care or think they just act. Of course the cowards offed themselves or went and hid because consequences are for others. There is no punishment harsh enough.


^^^True dat.
 
2012-12-14 04:07:27 PM  

FinFangFark: Now there is a section of highway in Newton that is closed off....they say it's related to the shootings.


Probably to keep the droves of look-e-loos out.
 
2012-12-14 04:07:32 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: CBS is showing more interviews with kids. These parents are farked in the head.


I heard one of the kids on the radio and wondered the same thing. What the hell is wrong w/that kid's parents? Why would they let reporters talk to him? Get him home and hug the living hell out of him, don't make him re-live it.

Assholes.
 
2012-12-14 04:07:35 PM  

mjohnson71: tonight's Thursday Mass


Going back in time won't help much unless you can get to CT and stop this mad man
 
2012-12-14 04:07:39 PM  

Kit Fister: I will fight for proper means to deal with the precipitating causes.


So you support doing everything we can to eradicate poverty?
 
2012-12-14 04:08:07 PM  

Red_Fox: I can't believe you NRA loving motherfarkers coming in here and bashing anyone speaking out against guns.

...today's not the day....my ass it's not. Today is precisely the day to start to change.


Ok, challenge accepted. Here is your chance. FIX IT. Go.
 
2012-12-14 04:08:30 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I think it's clear that guns for 5 year olds must be mandatory.



AND tactical training. Second mass-shooting this week where the shooter wore a bullet-proof chest.

We have the loosest gun laws in the 1st world, and the highest homicide rate to show for it.
 
2012-12-14 04:08:54 PM  

Red_Fox: I can't believe you NRA loving motherfarkers coming in here and bashing anyone speaking out against guns.

...today's not the day....my ass it's not. Today is precisely the day to start to change.


Yes, today is the day for one-sided debate. What a tolerate liberal you are.
 
2012-12-14 04:09:00 PM  
 
2012-12-14 04:09:13 PM  

SharpieIncident: This sums up how I feel about this:
"This will be my only post today. We are shocked and horrified by the news coming out of Connecticut. When senseless violence takes the most innocent of lives, our grief is all the deeper.

Many will seek to turn their outrage to action. But now is not the time for politics. Let us instead reflect upon what was lost today, and first grieve together for the victims, many of whom were just children." ~George Takei via Facebook.

My rage will boil in a few minutes, impotent as it may be.


Well, that's a first: George is Wrong. Sorry, man.
 
2012-12-14 04:09:13 PM  
Kudos to the Fark mods for keeping this thread in check, cleaned up of stupid and making it completely readable!
 
2012-12-14 04:09:18 PM  

OnlyM3: What do they call trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?


Reaganomics.
 
2012-12-14 04:09:22 PM  
can we start blaming the shooters parents for not doing their jobs as parents yet?
 
2012-12-14 04:09:24 PM  

coco ebert: The topic of mental health funding always comes up when the shooter is white. fark that, Imma go with terrorist sumamabiatch.


yes, please keep bringing race into an incident that had little to nothing to do with race.

/when you tire out that chicken, what will you move on to?
 
2012-12-14 04:09:24 PM  

Hand Banana: Oh god, I just realized these kids most likely have presents sitting at home under their trees right now.


DAMMIT! Yep, I'm tapping out. Done. Have a good flame war ya'll, I've reached my emotional limit.
 
2012-12-14 04:09:34 PM  

BronyMedic: CthulhuCalling:
you do realize that most cops never draw their sidearm except for annual qualifications and never take any advanced training? all CCWs that I know, including myself, shoot regularly and take many classes a year: tactical shooting, low light shooting, handgun, shotgun, rifle, home clearing, etc... well above what your average beat cop receives. I've put more rounds downrange in the last month that a lot of cops will in their career.

Do you know what the definition of anecdote is? Or what Dunning-Kruger is? Because that's what you're demonstrating here.

Your plinking means nothing. You are not trained to engage in an active shooter situation.


There's a difference between plinking and training. And actually, I have been trained to deal with an active shooter situation. Can you say the same of Joe Badge?

You are NOT law enforcement. You are NOT a tactical operator. Your CCW is for personal defense only, in the immediate danger to your life, or the life of someone around you. It is not for you to charge forward like Call of Medal of Duty Black Ops, and save the day.

I never said that I would.

Please, oh please tell me you're going to use that in court when you decide to play "The Decider", rush in, and shoot the wrong person, or cap two people along with the shooter.

Because I would LOVE to see a prosecuting DA tear you to shreads on the stand when you say you're more "qualified" to pull the trigger than "a beat cop", and they point out just what kind of quarterly qualifications a COLEA-accredited department has to put their officers through.


I certainly couldn't do any worse than 2 COLEA-accredited NYPD cops who shot 9 bystanders. Seeing how the local PD out here shoots, I'll put my quals up agains theirs every. farking. day. I carry a gun, I take that responsibility seriously. That means I train. A lot.
 
2012-12-14 04:09:47 PM  

Red_Fox: So how exactly do you change the whole American psyche?


It's not the American psyche, it's just a subset of people and the thing is to stop paying them any attention or giving their demands any consideration.
 
2012-12-14 04:10:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: stu1-1: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

You're talking about batshait crazy people, right?
How are you going to prevent that?

Add more mental institutions. Make psychiatric care free.


That's not the snarky response I expected.
+10
 
2012-12-14 04:10:15 PM  
For one of the more bizarre rationalizations I've seen regarding the false ID earlier: Someone on Fox News suggested maybe the shooter was maybe carrying his brother's ID on him "so he could get away."

News people really don't perform well without a script.
 
2012-12-14 04:10:24 PM  

Hand Banana: brnt00: Someone posted to my FB that a kid was yelling:

"I just want Christmas....I don't want to die. I just want to have Christmas"

true or not that's one of the saddest farking things I've ever read. just awful.

Oh god, I just realized these kids most likely have presents sitting at home under their trees right now.


Don't most parents put the presents out on Christmas Eve?
 
2012-12-14 04:10:26 PM  

USP .45: no I was saying white people are latenty racist regarding another issue


I was there. Weaseling out of it makes you look weak. You said Fark was anti-White because it would only report and highlight white male mass murderers or wanna-be's. You were proved wrong with many linked threads. You should probably acknowledge you were wrong if you want any credibility. Stand for something and take your lumps.
 
2012-12-14 04:10:43 PM  

netweavr: *cough*


Quite likely he was tortured to death after. Rightly so.
 
2012-12-14 04:10:47 PM  
Confirmed that the gunman killed himself. These @sssholes always do it in the wrong order.
 
2012-12-14 04:10:56 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Dawn Hochsprung, principal
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 250x250]


She really reminds me of my 2nd grade teacher. God, I somehow feel worse now.
 
2012-12-14 04:11:06 PM  

bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster


Aw shiat. Here we go :(
 
2012-12-14 04:11:18 PM  

special20: OnlyM3: What do they call trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?

Reaganomics.


ZING!
 
2012-12-14 04:11:39 PM  
kumanoki:
As a father and husband and son of a teacher, I am deeply upset and my heart goes out to everyone in Connecticut today who is experiencing the soul-crushing loss this tragedy has caused.

There are going to be empty beds tonight, Farkers. Empty little beds. Presents under trees that will never be opened. God. God damn, that... that's just heartbreaking.


Just keep some perspective. As bad as this is, it happens every day somewhere in the world. People in Congo or Syria or don't love their kids less, but they are losing them to horrific violence right now. It doesn't mean you should care less about these victims, just think about that pain happening somewhere else tomorrow.
 
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2012-12-14 04:11:44 PM  
t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-14 04:11:50 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Carn: Like it's not valid to talk about gun control when 18 kids get shot in a rampage?

How about we try to figure out why people do stupid shiat like this and see if we can't stop they before they get going? Nah, that's just crazy. I don't know what came over me there. Let's continue trying focusing on the tools instead of the users. It hasn't worked in the past, but that just means it about to start working.


Sure, speculation sounds like it will lead to more effective prevention than limiting access to guns would.

/no. Not really.
 
2012-12-14 04:11:57 PM  

turtleking: can we start blaming the shooters parents for not doing their jobs as parents yet?


You can blame em all ya want now, they are dead. Knock yerself out kiddo.

WhyteRaven74: Red_Fox: So how exactly do you change the whole American psyche?

It's not the American psyche, it's just a subset of people and the thing is to stop paying them any attention or giving their demands any consideration.


So ignore them and hope they go away? Personally I am an advocate of prozak in the water supplies.
 
2012-12-14 04:12:03 PM  

Sterling Thunder: If these wastes didn't have guns they would have made a homemade bomb,


The Columbine guys tried to make bombs and failed miserably, yet with their guns...
 
2012-12-14 04:12:05 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Pssst...to any young kids reading Fark today in elementary school. First of all, you shouldn't be on this site, it's nasty. But second of all, when you go home tonight, you can pretty much write your own farking check. Have your folks been hemming and hawing about that puppy or bicycle or Xbox you really want for Christmas? Now's your chance. Just put on those big, wet anime eyes, and say something cute like, "I wuv you mommy," or "Can we have pasketti for dinner," and then drop a little hint about great it would be to have a bike or puppy or Xbox, and how happy it would make you and it sure would be a shame if Something Bad happened to you before you got a chance to enjoy it. Also, you got a pretty good shot at ice cream for dessert tonight.


This is pretty much what I plan on doing tonight with my kids. My husband and 9-yr-old daughter are playing Flames of War at the local gaming shop tonight. I'll make sure he takes her for pizza before and ice cream afterward. I'll be doing the same at home with our 3-yr-old son--watching back-to-back episodes of "Spongebob" and eating popcorn until we explode. As others have said, I'll hug them tigher and shower them with kisses and tell them how much I love them 47 times before they go to bed. Because I can. And my heart aches for those who can't tonight.
 
2012-12-14 04:12:07 PM  

netweavr: *cough*


*cough*imaginehowmuchdeepertheslasheswouldhavebeenfrombullets*cough*
 
2012-12-14 04:12:14 PM  

IRQ12: : mrshowrulesJerseyTim: CBS: Six more children found hiding in closets at school. #newtown- jessica testa (@jtes) December 14, 2012


Is there a source for this? If that is tru it's so brutal I can't even think,


If

Sterling Thunder: Having 4 kids this makes me very sad and very angry. I don't care about which side of gun control you fall on as there is likely no changing your mind. If these wastes didn't have guns they would have made a homemade bomb, waste like this don't care or think they just act. Of course the cowards offed themselves or went and hid because consequences are for others. There is no punishment harsh enough.


You start by saying you don't care which side you are on but then proceed to give a tired pro-gun argument.

How long does it take to build a bomb big enough to kill this many people? How long does it take a mentally person to build a device like this. I had a close friend who has schizophrenia. When he was losing his faculties he found even the most mundane tasks complicated. Building a bomb for him would be impossible.
 
2012-12-14 04:12:16 PM  
Oh man. Not again.

Little kids??? God, that's heart breaking.

No one should ever have to bury their child.

/sniff
 
2012-12-14 04:12:27 PM  
I just heard FOX has some douche blaming video games, of course FOX, go after everything but the crazy!
 
2012-12-14 04:12:42 PM  

Richard Flaccid: bulldg4life: Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster

Aw shiat. Here we go :(


Simply put, I was right, he was a yahoo gun nut, not a responsible owner. I called that shiat a mile away a few hours ago.

Totally done now.
 
2012-12-14 04:12:46 PM  
I sit here and keep mindlessly refreshing this thread, hoping for....I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter how the news develops from here. Those kids are dead and it's never going to make sense. And we're never going to get justice. And nothing in this stupid debate is ever going to change.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:01 PM  

netweavr: *cough*


And how many died?
 
2012-12-14 04:13:15 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Kit Fister: I will fight for proper means to deal with the precipitating causes.

So you support doing everything we can to eradicate poverty?


yes? Have you seen the size of our defense budget? We could seriously re-prioritize spending in this country.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:17 PM  
There is never going to be a convenient time to talk about the issues surrounding mass shootings. Toughen up and have the f*cking conversation anyway. This sh*t will not go away unless we have the goddamn conversation.

Don't know if someone else has posted this yet, so I'll just leave this here:

Eleven facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States. Link
 
2012-12-14 04:13:19 PM  

brnt00: Someone posted to my FB that a kid was yelling:

"I just want Christmas....I don't want to die. I just want to have Christmas"

true or not that's one of the saddest farking things I've ever read. just awful.


Holy shiat.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:20 PM  
My condolences to anyone affected by this horrendous tragedy.
As people with intelligent minds, let's grow up. There is no need for any of this shiat.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:22 PM  

ChipNASA: THIS ISN'T ABOUT *GUNS*!


[www.thebuzzmedia.com image 500x202]

/he could have used his bare hands.


stay classy
 
2012-12-14 04:13:24 PM  
 
2012-12-14 04:13:33 PM  
I remember hearing people rail against violence in the movies and on TV. "Kids shouldn't see this," they said. "They might become violent." Others thought they were nuts.

I remember hearing people rail against violence in video games. "Kids shouldn't have these," they said. "It'll make them insensitive to death." Others thought they were nuts.

I remember hearing people say, "Kids who misbehave should be spanked. They need to learn there are consequences to their actions." Others thought they were nuts and put their kids in "time out."

Then something like this happens and all fingers point to the guns.

We had guns before the bloody movies and graphic television shows.
We had guns back when "video game" meant "Pong."
We had guns back when teachers routinely brought out the paddles to discipline students.
We had guns back when songs about killing others would never have been pressed into records.

What we didn't have before all of this was all these crazy shootings.

For most kids, watching violent movies or television will do nothing.
For most kids, listening to music that suggests violent actions will do nothing.
For most kids, playing violent video games will do nothing.

But shove enough violence into a mind that's wired just a little bit differently......

/those whiney goody-two-shoes cronies might have been right.
//Don't get me wrong. I still think there needs to be a psych exam for anyone who buys anything north of a shotgun. But there are too many guns out there to put that genie back in the bottle.
///I also think teachers should be allowed to carry.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:40 PM  
mayIFark: Fine, this is too early to discuss gun control (I prefer an outright ban on all guns of all kind, starting right now, but anyway) because it is just happening and now is not the time.

Aurora happened a while ago, let's talk how we would have prevented that.
Gabby Gifford got shot over a year ago, let's talk how we could prevented that.
Let's talk why those Sikhs died.
Let's talk Virginia tech.
Let's talk Nadal's army shooting.
Let's talk the mall shootings this Tuesday.

What the fark? How much farking more blood you want?

JungleBoogie: Due to the way our political system has metastasized, moneyed interests have outsized influence on politicians, and are able to block reform. Ref: the arms industry and the financial industry.

We currently have government of the highest bidder, by the highest bidder, for the highest bidder. That must be changed first.

Then, we must limit the number of firearms in circulation. Simple gun laws don't work as criminals don't care, they disobey the laws routinely. So there must be fewer firearms in circulation so they can illegally obtain fewer firearms.

And, it's not going to be perfect, but the best thing we can do is to reduce the frequency and severity of massacres. This goal is well within our grasp. If we choose to take the necessary actions.

Kit Fister: on those particular points, I will fight you to my last breath. I will not give up my rights for the illusion of safety. I will fight for proper means to deal with the precipitating causes.



Bring it. Your side has been winning for a long time, and all we have are massacres to show for it. It's time for new ideas as your ideas have failed to stop the bloodbaths. 

It's time to break control that moneyed interests have over government. It's time to stop "Government of the highest bidder, by the highest bidder, for the highest bidder." And return it to "Government of the people, by the people, for the people." It's time to break the stranglehold the arms industry has over the government.

It's time to limit the manufacture and sale of firearms. It's time to get rid of willful self-delusion peddled by emotional, unreasoning gun advocates.  Pro-gun groups have made one good point - gun laws aren't observed by criminals. True enough. So there need to be fewer guns in society that criminals can get.
 
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