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2012-12-14 03:44:01 PM
I think we can all agree that Mark Zuckerberg needs to be punched for inventing a site that allows bleeding heart narcissists to post text roses to tragedies.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:01 PM
God works in mysterious ways................................
 
2012-12-14 03:44:05 PM
I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:05 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: Popcorn Johnny: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

No, Ryan Lanza is dead and his brother is being held for questioning.

-Listen Betty, don't start up with your Ryan Lanza shiat again.

-Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.


It's really the only sensible option.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:13 PM
Moonfisher Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

Oh holy fark. :(
 
2012-12-14 03:44:14 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: BraveNewCheneyWorld: 80,000 people die every year in the U.S. from alcohol related events. Reaction... meh who cares
30,000 from car accidents.. meh
3,000,000 die around the world from std's. meh
16,000 children die each DAY from starvation.. meh
1,000,000 die in the middle east because of a lie.. meh

I can be outraged about more than on injustice at a time. Sorry to hear about your limitations.


The point.. you missed it.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:27 PM
LOL @ the news throwing any name they hear under the bus.

Anyone heard this elsewhere:

"WCBS-TV: Some children found hiding in closets moments ago at Connecticut school in Newtown"

Came through like 10 minutes ago.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:28 PM

WhyteRaven74: they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier



His mother worked at the school. Possible chain of events: gets pissed at his family, kills his bro, drives to his mother's school, kills her, and then just goes completely farking apeshiat and kills every little kid in the room. CRAZY.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:37 PM
Obviously something like this will evoke a strong output of emotions.

Right now, as information is coming in, and as it is still fresh, we are apt to make instant impactful statements that we do not think before we speak.

I implore everyone to process what they are about to say instead of just saying it.

We are all sickened by this. We are all angry by this. Right now lets focus on open minded discussion over insulting each other. Insulting each other does no one any good at this point; it only makes us even more emotional.

If you want to make a quip about gun control, dont act like an ass. If you want to make a quip about being against gun control, dont act like an ass.

Thank you for your attention
 
2012-12-14 03:44:43 PM
 
2012-12-14 03:44:43 PM

serial_crusher: Shooter killed himself, huh? It's a shame that he deprived the police of that honor.


It's a REAL shame he didn't do that FIRST. Miserable prick had to take innocent children's lives, times like this I wish I believed in hell.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:45 PM
This is too heart wrenching to even do that, subby. I'm out.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:51 PM
Can't stop crying. Cannot understand what went so very very wrong in this person/person's life that drove him to this. Absolutely heart breaking. And in no way is this a political thing but Obama's speech while fighting back tears...made me sob.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:51 PM

GORDON: Hey is it too soon in this thread to nail these dead children to crosses in the name of politicizing gun control?


If there isn't to be a conversation about gun control now, when is it going to happen? What is the window on that? Because this kind of thing happens all too frequently.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:55 PM

Mrtraveler01: Why didn't he just jump off the George Washington Bridge like all the other screwed up nutjobs?


they put up fences there on the walk paths to prevent that. I used to ride my bike across every so often.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:01 PM
Looking around the office today, the folks without kids look are shocked, the folks with kids look completely devastated. Obama lost it in the press conference. God farking dammit.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:01 PM
All I can say is I can't wait to get home tonight and really hug my 6 year old daughter who is in Kindergarten.

This hits way too close to home. I cried a little talking to my wife about it over the phone.

/so sad
 
2012-12-14 03:45:01 PM

dennysgod: Westboro Baptist church blaming this on Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalizing same-sex marriages last month in 3...2...1...


/you know those f*ckers will


Everybody is going to blame something no matter how relevant it is. The way the shooter grew up, his background nationality, that one political belief he had in high school, that club he was part of, what videogames he played. Anything to just settle with their beliefs so they can walk away and not have to deal with the crushing reality.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:11 PM

shower_in_my_socks: WhyteRaven74: they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier


His mother worked at the school. Possible chain of events: gets pissed at his family, kills his bro, drives to his mother's school, kills her, and then just goes completely farking apeshiat and kills every little kid in the room. CRAZY.


Why is the other brother in custody then?
 
2012-12-14 03:45:25 PM
MY kids get off the bus in 5-10 minutes... when they get off i am giving them a HUGE hug and be thanking the Architect that they are still safe and we will still have a Christmas with a family that is whole...

My heart goes out to the parents... Nothing will bring their children back, nothing will give them comfort...
 
2012-12-14 03:45:36 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Video: Obama's statement. Link


Transcript: Here
 
2012-12-14 03:45:39 PM

Leeds: Does anyone have a link to Obama's press conference? I missed it live and am curious to see what he had to say.


I watched it live. Brief and moving. President hinted that action will be taken to attempt to stop these atrocities.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:43 PM
Fine, this is too early to discuss gun control (I prefer an outright ban on all guns of all kind, starting right now, but anyway) because it is just happening and now is not the time.

Aurora happened a while ago, let's talk how we would have prevented that.
Gabby Gifford got shot over a year ago, let's talk how we could prevented that.
Let's talk why those Sikhs died.
Let's talk Virginia tech.
Let's talk Nadal's army shooting.
Let's talk the mall shootings this Tuesday.

What the fark? How much farking more blood you want?
 
2012-12-14 03:45:46 PM

Somacandra: USP .45: Well Obama just did so go for it.

Shouldn't you be on some NRA site complaining about how everyone hates Whitey without any evidence?


no I was saying white people are latenty racist regarding another issue, but continue with the texbook "call him a racist" trick.

Also, Obama's statement was curiously linked for us. Why don't you watch it.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:47 PM
Mental illness is a farking real b.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:49 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: shower_in_my_socks: WhyteRaven74: they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier


His mother worked at the school. Possible chain of events: gets pissed at his family, kills his bro, drives to his mother's school, kills her, and then just goes completely farking apeshiat and kills every little kid in the room. CRAZY.

Why is the other brother in custody then?


Possibly because a bunch of pissed-off parents were given his name by an idiotic media?
 
2012-12-14 03:45:49 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I'm done with work for the day... If anyone wants me meet for a drink in PDX, I need one. I'll be in downtown at the Schmub on SW 4th.


I'd join you but I'm stuck at work for a while. On top of being Friday this shiat is distracting...
 
2012-12-14 03:46:07 PM
Unfortunate Yahoo trending placement:


01 School shooting in Connecticut
02 Best Funeral Ever
 
2012-12-14 03:46:12 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Vegan Meat Popsicle: BraveNewCheneyWorld: 80,000 people die every year in the U.S. from alcohol related events. Reaction... meh who cares
30,000 from car accidents.. meh
3,000,000 die around the world from std's. meh
16,000 children die each DAY from starvation.. meh
1,000,000 die in the middle east because of a lie.. meh

I can be outraged about more than on injustice at a time. Sorry to hear about your limitations.

The point.. you missed it.


It's a stupid point because those things aren't the same, and most of us are upset about that crap too.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:17 PM
For the record, my comment in the previous thread was poorly executed sarcasm. My point was that the bullshiat that gun nuts tell themselves over and over again (guns don't kill people; the second amendment protects me from tyranny; gun control only increases violence) is really just their way of ignoring the obvious: we have a severe problem with gun violence in this country that is exacerbated by extremely lax gun laws, but there's a large segment of the population that doesn't want the government interfering with their hobby.

I'm a gun owner, and enjoy the hobby. But I think it is way too easy to buy and sell handguns and semiautomatic rifles in this country, and would fully support common sense things like closing the gun show loophole, and reinstating the assault weapons ban.

Flame me if you want. Maybe more gun control would help, maybe it wouldn't. What I do know is that you can't commit a mass shooting without a gun. And it sickens me that these shootings keep on happening. We have to do something about it.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:22 PM
BronyMedic:
[Citation Needed] that a CCW has ever stopped a spree shooter in a School or College Campus. It's ALWAYS been people taking action to overwhelm and rush the shooter, or campus police drilling them in the skill. Or they've had their guns jam, or killed themselves.

It's been posted in both the threads on this topic today.
It was posted in the "mall shooter" thread
It has been posted in several gun thread before that.

Your refusal to face reality does not change the facts. They are as a wise man once said, "Stubborn things"

1) ========================================================
Pearl High School in Pearl Mississippi, October 1, 1997.

A 16 year-old student, Luke Woodham, after slitting his mothers throat, showed up at school with a .30-30 rifle and started shooting. Upon hearing the shots, the Principal immediately called 911 seeking help from the Police, as more shots rang out.

Assistant Principal, Joel Myrick, reacted much differently, though. Hearing the shots, he ran to his parked truck and retrieved his own .45 caliber pistol and chased Woodham down, holding him at bay by pointing the loaded weapon right at his face. Woodham stopped his carnage right there.


2) ========================================================
Parker Middle School dance shooting April 24, 1998

Wurst showed up late to the dance, with his father's .25-caliber pistol in a holster belt under his jacket. He had previously left a suicide note under his pillow, and stated to investigators that he planned to go to the dance and kill only himself.[4]

The shooting began on an outdoor patio, about 20 minutes before the dance was scheduled to end, around 9:40. He shot John Gillette ....

...Wurst proceeded to enter Nick's Place, where the dance had been held, and subsequently fired and wounded Edrye Boraten, a teacher and two students, Jacob Tury and Justin Fletcher.[1] The shooting ended when the owner of Nick's Place, James Strand, intervened and confronted Wurst with his shotgun, ordering him to drop his weapon and later holding him at bay for eleven minutes

But lets keep trying it your way. Disarm groups then wonder how bad things happen.

You've stacked all the cards are stacked in your favor and you're still wrong. Your side has setup situations where people are disarmed then puff your chest up and demand evidence victims in that disarmed population defended themselves with guns you took from them.

Columbine -no guns allowed- Cops sat outside while students were being killed yet your side blames gun owners for not stopping the active shooters.

V. Tech -no guns allow- yet hoplophobes hopped in the thread demanding gun owners explain why a law abiding gun owner didn't stop the shooting.

CO Theater -no guns allow- yet your side ridiculed the fact that no gun owner stopped the shooting.

Oregon mall shooting - -no guns allow- yet again (seeing a trend yet?)

The "logic" of your argument is so clearly flawed yet you never stop using it.

We keep trying it your way, with disarmed victim zones. What do they call trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?
 
2012-12-14 03:46:29 PM

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Not cool.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:36 PM

nekom: serial_crusher: Shooter killed himself, huh? It's a shame that he deprived the police of that honor.

It's a REAL shame he didn't do that FIRST. Miserable prick had to take innocent children's lives, times like this I wish I believed in hell.


You know, hell exists to me. Physically burning in a lake of fire, or being an object of protracted hate for as long as your name exists in human memory... what's the difference?
 
2012-12-14 03:46:41 PM
The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitmore, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes
 
2012-12-14 03:46:41 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Video: Obama's statement. Link


:(
 
2012-12-14 03:46:43 PM
It would be wonderful if we could keep firearms out of the hands of hell spawn lunatics like these, but does anyone realistically expect that our Federal government could pull it off? All they can do is restrict gun ownership among the sane, law abiding population.

Statistics and rhetorical arguments on both sides of the issue be damned. People have been committing murderous atrocities on each other since the the dawn of man.

Any one who politicizes this tragedy is a douche.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:54 PM
Only 1 wounded, means he methodically executed all those kids. This wasn't spray and pray. Horrible.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:54 PM

Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.


Any information about whether the dude has a written history of mental illness? I don't have any problem with gun control that keeps them away from people like Seung Cho. Not sure about this nutjob's particulars though, whether or not there were warning signs.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:10 PM
RIP Lanza 

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-14 03:47:14 PM
I had to lay down and take a nap, I was so sad. I wake up and find out someone stabbed up children in China today as well.

:(
 
2012-12-14 03:47:21 PM

Jument: I really don't think someone who is so disturbed that they would contemplate mass murder is going to seek professional help even in a country with more accessible or socialized healthcare.


The Aurora shooter was known to be mentally ill, but nothing was done because there was no requirement to do anything. The VT shooter was getting treatment alas how the school handled him was the worst possible thing they could've done.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:25 PM

Calypsocookie: And in no way is this a political thing but Obama's speech while fighting back tears...made me sob.


Any empathic person with kids of their own--is going to mentally ask "what if" ---and is going to emotionally react to their own hypothetical. That's normal human emotion.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:30 PM

IlGreven: SharpieIncident: This sums up how I feel about this:
"This will be my only post today. We are shocked and horrified by the news coming out of Connecticut. When senseless violence takes the most innocent of lives, our grief is all the deeper.

Many will seek to turn their outrage to action. But now is not the time for politics. Let us instead reflect upon what was lost today, and first grieve together for the victims, many of whom were just children." ~George Takei via Facebook.

My rage will boil in a few minutes, impotent as it may be.

This is the one time that I disagree with George Takei. Outrage leads to action, and a resolution. Introspection leads to apathy, and continuation. I don't want this to continue.


A resolution to what? Senseless tragedy? There are parents with Christmas gifts at home that will never be opened. An abyss where the heart once was. Can we not, as a human race, collectively pause and remember that these new political tools were once sweet little voices with souls of their own? Whether Left, Right, or Other, they deserve better.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:37 PM
I saw this start this morning. I just heard there was 18 kids shot.

WTF already!

There has to be some video game or program all these shooters are watching.

Something's happening.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:39 PM
The topic of mental health funding always comes up when the shooter is white. fark that, Imma go with terrorist sumamabiatch.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:45 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Why is the other brother in custody then?



They could have him in custody for the sole reason that his brother just went apeshiat and killed the rest of his family and a bunch of kids. It doesn't mean they're charging him with anything, but they SURE AS FARK want to talk to him about what the fark just happened.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:55 PM

Tax Boy: Dusk-You-n-Me: Video: Obama's statement. Link

Transcript: Here


Did he mention a possible terrorist attack?
 
2012-12-14 03:48:07 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The point.. you missed it.


You're comparing chronic social and health conditions with ongoing attempts at resolution with a spree killing that's already over. I'd love to hear what "the point" is.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:12 PM

nekom: serial_crusher: Shooter killed himself, huh? It's a shame that he deprived the police of that honor.

It's a REAL shame he didn't do that FIRST. Miserable prick had to take innocent children's lives, times like this I wish I believed in hell.


yes, that would have been preferable.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:14 PM

monoski: GORDON: Hey is it too soon in this thread to nail these dead children to crosses in the name of politicizing gun control?

Discussion is long overdue. When do you propose the problem is discussed? Or do you feel there is no problem?


In other news, yet another knife-wielding asshole went tearing through a school in China.
 
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