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2012-12-14 03:35:10 PM  
:(
 
2012-12-14 03:35:36 PM  
Better find a way to live with firearms. It's not unreasonable to imagine a future where 3d printers are ubiquitious, and people are already making working lower recievers with them. We don't have a choice going forward any more than Sony had a choice wrt to mp3s.
 
2012-12-14 03:36:03 PM  
Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.
 
2012-12-14 03:36:06 PM  
How about we post the happiest moments in our lives instead of talking about this evil?
 
2012-12-14 03:36:29 PM  
Free Zima soup for all
 
2012-12-14 03:36:40 PM  
CBS News reports the gunman, identified as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza, was the son of a female teacher at the school who was killed in the mass shooting.

Bad editing here. Are they saying the gunman is dead? Or his mom, or both?
 
2012-12-14 03:36:44 PM  
Adam Lanza.
 
2012-12-14 03:36:47 PM  
This sums up how I feel about this:
"This will be my only post today. We are shocked and horrified by the news coming out of Connecticut. When senseless violence takes the most innocent of lives, our grief is all the deeper.

Many will seek to turn their outrage to action. But now is not the time for politics. Let us instead reflect upon what was lost today, and first grieve together for the victims, many of whom were just children." ~George Takei via Facebook.

My rage will boil in a few minutes, impotent as it may be.
 
2012-12-14 03:36:52 PM  

Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.


This. And a second body was found at the home.
 
2012-12-14 03:37:20 PM  
What's this about Adam Lanza?
 
2012-12-14 03:37:27 PM  
At this point, can we just agree that none of the media outlets are reporting this correctly and all we know are a bunch of people are dead?
 
2012-12-14 03:37:34 PM  
Foxnews still has the wrong guys photo plastered on their site..
 
2012-12-14 03:37:58 PM  
Today isn't the day for politics, but I would like to see a congressional report or an executive report on mass shootings and the motives, actors, and so on, for the last ten years or so.
 
2012-12-14 03:38:00 PM  

Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.


No, Ryan Lanza is dead and his brother is being held for questioning.
 
2012-12-14 03:38:01 PM  
We should reassign the TSA to protect our public schools.
 
2012-12-14 03:38:02 PM  
From the earlier thread...my point was that most animals don't kill their own like humans kill their own. So I misspoke on that point.

But, then, the nutbars who think this happened because of evolution being taught in schools or that there wasn't prayer in public schools, like Bryan Fischer is already blaring on his AFA broadcast...they are both tiring and infuriating, and lead one to at the very least misspeak...
 
2012-12-14 03:38:05 PM  

FinFangFark: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

This. And a second body was found at the home.


so half of all the news organizations' information was wrong :P
 
2012-12-14 03:38:24 PM  
This is what happens when you let Jedi be a religion.
 
2012-12-14 03:38:28 PM  
I would like to buy a round for everyone.

Also, cmon, if this wasn't holiday season and everyone wasn't goofing off at work these threads would be dismal and not so busy...

FREE DIRNKS
 
2012-12-14 03:38:35 PM  
Ryan Lanza that was posted from FB may be the shooters brother. Police are saying Ryan Lanza is in custody.
 
2012-12-14 03:38:36 PM  

Antimatter: Today isn't the day for politics


It never is.
 
2012-12-14 03:38:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

No, Ryan Lanza is dead and his brother is being held for questioning.


Wait what?
 
2012-12-14 03:38:39 PM  
News reports that Lanza killed himself

Farking coward
 
2012-12-14 03:38:39 PM  
Did he use a .88 Magnum?
 
2012-12-14 03:38:44 PM  
With this and what happened in China, is there nothing to help the mentally unstable at all?
 
2012-12-14 03:38:53 PM  

special20: We should reassign the TSA to protect our public schools.


The sad thing is that this isn't such a bad idea at this point.
 
2012-12-14 03:38:56 PM  
It's being reported that the gunman was repeatedly yelling "CLACKA AKBAR!" as he fired shots into the crowd of children.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:03 PM  

Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.


A second Lanza has just hit the.....

/I can't even finish this.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:04 PM  

Moderator: At this point in time information is coming in fast and we understand that you may want to link to a Facebook page or other information about the shooter.  Please try to refrain from doing so.  It is personal information, and it may link to innocent people unrelated to this tragedy.  Thank you for your consideration.


One poor dude with the same name already has been blamed lots today. Good call.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:09 PM  

Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.


If that's true, good LORD did the news outlets fark up
 
2012-12-14 03:39:13 PM  
Feel that? That's freedom.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:19 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: No, Ryan Lanza is dead and his brother is being held for questioning.


The report I just read said his brother was found dead at the house.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:25 PM  
Ryan Lanza says it wasn't him on Facebook, so I guess that answers that.
http://gawker.com/5968551/this-ryan-lanza-facebook-profile-is-the-con n ecticut-shooter-stuff-is-farking-up-everything?tag=sandy-hook-shooting
 
2012-12-14 03:39:26 PM  
Fox news just broke the "assault rifle" cherry. Apparently an M4, but that that with a grain of salt. Both weapons were registered to the mother of the shooter, and unless she's a SWAT member, it was a semiautomatic rifle.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:33 PM  
Connecticut teacher here.

Really sad event. My sane s's cannot be expressed.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:40 PM  
This bastard killed his mother and brother, too.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:50 PM  
Got home from work, got on the internet, and...

...

I agree w. the 2nd headline, there are no words...
 
2012-12-14 03:39:50 PM  

Negligible: At this point, can we just agree that none of the media outlets are reporting this correctly and all we know are a bunch of people are dead?


There's too much information and the people who actually know what's going on are far too busy doing important work to worry about making sure the information getting out to us nobodies is accurate, which I think we can all agree is just fine.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:55 PM  
80,000 people die every year in the U.S. from alcohol related events. Reaction... meh who cares
30,000 from car accidents.. meh
3,000,000 die around the world from std's. meh
16,000 children die each DAY from starvation.. meh
1,000,000 die in the middle east because of a lie.. meh
 
2012-12-14 03:39:55 PM  

SharpieIncident: This sums up how I feel about this:
"This will be my only post today. We are shocked and horrified by the news coming out of Connecticut. When senseless violence takes the most innocent of lives, our grief is all the deeper.

Many will seek to turn their outrage to action. But now is not the time for politics. Let us instead reflect upon what was lost today, and first grieve together for the victims, many of whom were just children." ~George Takei via Facebook.

My rage will boil in a few minutes, impotent as it may be.


This is the one time that I disagree with George Takei. Outrage leads to action, and a resolution. Introspection leads to apathy, and continuation. I don't want this to continue.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:57 PM  
Didn't take long.While I was in the break room watching a replay of Obama's press conference, one of the rednecky warehouse guys said "Farking fake tears!" before storming out.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:04 PM  
Ok - this is why they should STFU for a few hours and get their FING story right
 
2012-12-14 03:40:04 PM  
What's more evil, a mentally ill person who could have been stopped by even a merely adequate mental healthcare system, or a healthcare system for profit that denies thousands of people coverage every day?

Not saying the shooter was mentally ill, but I just can't fathom how one could do this without something being wrong in their brain.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:06 PM  
The press conference shuffle.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:08 PM  
I keep coming back to The Onion article while I'm watching this. We'll blame something, call it a day, do nothing and let the cycle repeat.

It's probably going to happen with this and that's what infuriates me the most.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:16 PM  
I just read that the second guy found in the woods was the shooter's younger brother and their mother taught at the school.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:19 PM  
CNN reporting that shooter's brother found dead in Hoboken.

I thought his bro was in custody, or is this a different sibling? So he killed his mom, his bro is dead in another city. WTF just happened? Maybe the brother committed suicide when he got the news.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:20 PM  

Lundyn: The sad thing is that this isn't such a bad idea at this point.


No, its a horrible point. Especially since the TSA shouldn't exist in the first place.

eddievercetti: is there nothing to help the mentally unstable at all?


Not in China and not much in the US.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:21 PM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: News reports that Lanza killed himself

Farking coward


Of course he did.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:29 PM  

Moderator: At this point in time information is coming in fast and we understand that you may want to link to a Facebook page or other information about the shooter.  Please try to refrain from doing so.  It is personal information, and it may link to innocent people unrelated to this tragedy.  Thank you for your consideration.


Couldn't agree more
 
2012-12-14 03:40:30 PM  
I'm done with work for the day... If anyone wants me meet for a drink in PDX, I need one. I'll be in downtown at the Schmub on SW 4th.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:32 PM  

Lsherm: Fox news just broke the "assault rifle" cherry. Apparently an M4, but that that with a grain of salt. Both weapons were registered to the mother of the shooter, and unless she's a SWAT member, it was a semiautomatic rifle.


He was clearly carrying an AK47 and a Glock.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:33 PM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: News reports that Lanza killed himself


farker should have made that step 1.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:52 PM  
To unLurked in the last thread: Holy shiat man, I can't imagine having to deal with that wait. I can't imagine being one of those parents...fark. Just...yea, no one can tell you how you should feel. There's no way to deal with this emotionally in any manageable way. I'm glad your kid was okay; I hope you guys find some way to get through this.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:56 PM  
Listen, you all can blame the news channels for jumping the gun and sensationalizing things but you all are still watching the news, right? They only do it because they know that's what you want.

Maybe we can all just sit back a while and wait until the real story comes out?
 
2012-12-14 03:40:58 PM  
So, every news source in the world has been posting the picture of the wrong guy for hours on end.

GREAT JOB MEDIA! Way to totally just forego old rules of journalism that would prevent such a thing. Go go internet-era instant news!
 
2012-12-14 03:41:00 PM  

amquelbettamin: How about we post the happiest moments in our lives instead of talking about this evil?


Sure. I got married 22 months.

Am getting divorced sometime in March.

/amidoinitright?
 
2012-12-14 03:41:04 PM  
20 kids dead :(
 
2012-12-14 03:41:12 PM  

KidSock2004: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

If that's true, good LORD did the news outlets fark up


What a farking day to be Ryan Lanza.

"You shot a bunch of people and we're showing everyone your face saying you shot a bunch of people"
"NO I DIDN'T WHAT THE FARK?!"
"Oops yeah our bad you didn't."
"Good, glad that's settled."
"It was your brother."
"..."
 
2012-12-14 03:41:20 PM  

GORDON: Hey is it too soon in this thread to nail these dead children to crosses in the name of politicizing gun control?


How about we politicize gun control using the victims from Aurora this week, and we tack the kids from CT up on the cross next week?

Like it's not valid to talk about gun control when 18 kids get shot in a rampage? Which way does gravity go in your universe?
 
2012-12-14 03:41:21 PM  
New report is 20 children dead and 6 adults via the current news conference.
 
2012-12-14 03:41:24 PM  
picture of the shooter:

www.imfdb.org
 
2012-12-14 03:41:28 PM  
I can't believe I have to say this again: *Shut down the schools or this kind of tragedy will just keep happening.*
 
2012-12-14 03:41:28 PM  

Lundyn: special20: We should reassign the TSA to protect our public schools.

The sad thing is that this isn't such a bad idea at this point.


"Sir, I just need to look inside yo ass-hole."

/security breeeeeeeeeeeeeach
 
2012-12-14 03:41:45 PM  
Why didn't he just jump off the George Washington Bridge like all the other screwed up nutjobs?
 
2012-12-14 03:41:47 PM  
All the news agencies are wrong about everything. This is just a game of hide and seek gone wildly out of control.
 
2012-12-14 03:41:50 PM  
Video: Obama's statement. Link
 
2012-12-14 03:41:56 PM  
18 childred pronounced dead on scene, 2 dead children at area hospitals.

/fark
 
2012-12-14 03:41:58 PM  
Our ability to harm one another far exceeds our ability to reason and communicate with one another.

This is the natural result of a primitive brain coupled with efficient, technologically-advanced weaponry.

Damn you, humanity.
 
2012-12-14 03:41:58 PM  
I think I will save my snark for other threads.

Very sad day. My thoughts are with those with friends and loved ones affected by the shooting.
 
2012-12-14 03:41:59 PM  
20 kids dead. 18 at scene, 2 at hospital
 
2012-12-14 03:42:04 PM  
After seeing the governor speak, a little piece of me died inside when he didn't call out the media on giving people space and to speak only with officials on the tragedy. Not angry with the governer, but sad that this issue is never brought up by those who can put it in the proper spotlight.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:04 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: 80,000 people die every year in the U.S. from alcohol related events. Reaction... meh who cares
30,000 from car accidents.. meh
3,000,000 die around the world from std's. meh
16,000 children die each DAY from starvation.. meh
1,000,000 die in the middle east because of a lie.. meh


I can be outraged about more than on injustice at a time. Sorry to hear about your limitations.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:06 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-14 03:42:16 PM  
Does anyone have a good link on what's going on re: the man in custody? Is it indeed his (the dead shooter's) brother? Is he a suspect or simply being questioned? Is he the one who was reported as being seen fleeing the school?
 
2012-12-14 03:42:18 PM  

mjohnson71: Didn't take long.While I was in the break room watching a replay of Obama's press conference, one of the rednecky warehouse guys said "Farking fake tears!" before storming out.


Is Sandy Hook a scandal yet?

/There are already "false flaggers" who say this was a front for Obammer to take away are gunz. Shameful.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:20 PM  

calbert: picture of the shooter:

[www.imfdb.org image 450x232]


They made it for him special.

/I'm going to hell for laughing at that.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:23 PM  

eddievercetti: With this and what happened in China, is there nothing to help the mentally unstable at all?


I think in many cases no one really knows how insane they are. They walk around going about their daily life and seem normal, maybe a bit weird but nothing alarming and then one day they do something like this.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:24 PM  

Imperialism: KidSock2004: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

If that's true, good LORD did the news outlets fark up

What a farking day to be Ryan Lanza.

"You shot a bunch of people and we're showing everyone your face saying you shot a bunch of people"
"NO I DIDN'T WHAT THE FARK?!"
"Oops yeah our bad you didn't."
"Good, glad that's settled."
"It was your brother."
"..."


Did CNN or any other tv news post the facebook picture of the guy? Some people said they did(that facebook post itself for example) but I never saw it.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:28 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: CNN reporting that shooter's brother found dead in Hoboken.

I thought his bro was in custody, or is this a different sibling? So he killed his mom, his bro is dead in another city. WTF just happened? Maybe the brother committed suicide when he got the news.


Don't worry, I'm sure the major news outlets will clear that up.

/not
 
2012-12-14 03:42:30 PM  
Is it just me, or does Wolf Blitzer seem aroused by all this?
 
2012-12-14 03:42:36 PM  

USP .45: Well Obama just did so go for it.


Just exactly how did he do this Mr. .45??
 
2012-12-14 03:42:39 PM  

Imperialism: KidSock2004: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

If that's true, good LORD did the news outlets fark up

What a farking day to be Ryan Lanza.

"You shot a bunch of people and we're showing everyone your face saying you shot a bunch of people"
"NO I DIDN'T WHAT THE FARK?!"
"Oops yeah our bad you didn't."
"Good, glad that's settled."
"It was your brother."
"..."


I really farking hate 24-hour news. They're going to jump to Facebook with what they THINK is the name of the maniac and photos of people having nothing to do with it will be put all over the news.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:42 PM  
I am confused by all the comments about mental health care. I really don't think someone who is so disturbed that they would contemplate mass murder is going to seek professional help even in a country with more accessible or socialized healthcare.

Some people are just going to snap and do horrible things. When those people snap in a society where violence is glorified and guns are freely available, worse things are going to happen than in other societies. I think that's the problem. American society is not particularly healthy. People are conditioned to towards violence and guns. That worsens the impact of someone having a mental breakdown because they are more pre-disposed to more violent actions.

That's my theory, which I am totally unqualified to put forth.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:47 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I thought his bro was in custody, or is this a different sibling? So he killed his mom, his bro is dead in another city. WTF just happened? Maybe the brother committed suicide when he got the news.


they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier
 
2012-12-14 03:42:48 PM  
Westboro Baptist church blaming this on Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalizing same-sex marriages last month in 3...2...1...


/you know those f*ckers will
 
2012-12-14 03:42:48 PM  
Shooter killed himself, huh? It's a shame that he deprived the police of that honor.
 
2012-12-14 03:42:51 PM  
There is no proper day for politics. Politics is a part of everything we do. If we were there or at the funeral, there is something to be said about not talking about something like that, but this is an internet posting board for chrissakes. Deal with it.
 
2012-12-14 03:43:00 PM  

USP .45: Well Obama just did so go for it.


Shouldn't you be on some NRA site complaining about how everyone hates Whitey without any evidence?
 
2012-12-14 03:43:12 PM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: News reports that Lanza killed himself

Farking coward


Hopefully he did. Don't waste the tax dollars prosecuting him.
 
2012-12-14 03:43:16 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

No, Ryan Lanza is dead and his brother is being held for questioning.


-Listen Betty, don't start up with your Ryan Lanza shiat again.

-Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
 
2012-12-14 03:43:24 PM  

JinxofSpades: Ryan Lanza says it wasn't him on Facebook, so I guess that answers that.
http://gawker.com/5968551/this-ryan-lanza-facebook-profile-is-the-con n ecticut-shooter-stuff-is-farking-up-everything?tag=sandy-hook-shooting


I'm calling that image a hoax. There were a ton of fake Lanza accounts created today. Post an update, arrange a comment or two, then screenshot.

Hell, it could have been done in photoshop.
 
2012-12-14 03:43:24 PM  

nekom: Does anyone have a good link on what's going on re: the man in custody? Is it indeed his (the dead shooter's) brother? Is he a suspect or simply being questioned? Is he the one who was reported as being seen fleeing the school?


Give it a day, real-time news is never accurate nor complete. It's like relying on interns for bug-reports.
 
2012-12-14 03:43:27 PM  
I can't wait for the Murder She Wrote adaptation
 
2012-12-14 03:43:29 PM  

amquelbettamin: How about we post the happiest moments in our lives instead of talking about this evil?


I just took a final, and I'm pretty sure I got a 100 on it, and a perfect score in the class overall. I got home and saw this on the news. I hugged my cat.
 
2012-12-14 03:43:34 PM  
 
2012-12-14 03:43:47 PM  
Head state police guy says shootings took place in one section of school. Seems to be two specific classrooms.
 
2012-12-14 03:43:54 PM  

Jument: I am confused by all the comments about mental health care. I really don't think someone who is so disturbed that they would contemplate mass murder is going to seek professional help even in a country with more accessible or socialized healthcare.

Some people are just going to snap and do horrible things. When those people snap in a society where violence is glorified and guns are freely available, worse things are going to happen than in other societies. I think that's the problem. American society is not particularly healthy. People are conditioned to towards violence and guns. That worsens the impact of someone having a mental breakdown because they are more pre-disposed to more violent actions.

That's my theory, which I am totally unqualified to put forth.


except in, what, four of the past few shootings, they had been diagnosed as mentally ill and had sought help, but that never went anywhere?
 
2012-12-14 03:43:54 PM  
Obviously, schools and breeding are at fault here. Guns are a sacred right, education and procreation are not. Do away with public schools and stop having children, and those bullets pass harmlessly into the landscape.

...
 
2012-12-14 03:43:58 PM  
unLurked
2012-12-14 03:33:02 PM

get real: Brenda Lebinski was among the anxious parents outside the school, looking for her 8-year-old daughter.
"I saw her and it was the happiest moment of my life," she said.


As a parent I would hope I would show empathy instead of joy. Yes, be happy and also express sadness.

fark you. My kids were in that school. I stood therer and held my wife while armed officers stormed the building. I stood there and waiting and waited and waited. I stood there and watched them bring out one line of kids after another.

When I saw my daughter and then my son. it was the happiest day of *my* life. So take your sanctimonious self righteous bullshiat and shove it up your ass.

//my little girl knew at least 3 or 4 of those dead kids and my wife was their Troop leader. Of course we are sad, you asshole.


EXACTLY THIS!!!!! I can't even imagine the complete terror someone would feel not knowing if their baby was alive or dead.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:01 PM  
I think we can all agree that Mark Zuckerberg needs to be punched for inventing a site that allows bleeding heart narcissists to post text roses to tragedies.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:01 PM  
God works in mysterious ways................................
 
2012-12-14 03:44:05 PM  
I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:05 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Popcorn Johnny: Moonfisher: Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

No, Ryan Lanza is dead and his brother is being held for questioning.

-Listen Betty, don't start up with your Ryan Lanza shiat again.

-Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.


It's really the only sensible option.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:13 PM  
Moonfisher Ok, they are now saying Ryan Lanza is alive and in custody, that his younger brother Adam was the shooter and is dead.

Oh holy fark. :(
 
2012-12-14 03:44:14 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: BraveNewCheneyWorld: 80,000 people die every year in the U.S. from alcohol related events. Reaction... meh who cares
30,000 from car accidents.. meh
3,000,000 die around the world from std's. meh
16,000 children die each DAY from starvation.. meh
1,000,000 die in the middle east because of a lie.. meh

I can be outraged about more than on injustice at a time. Sorry to hear about your limitations.


The point.. you missed it.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:27 PM  
LOL @ the news throwing any name they hear under the bus.

Anyone heard this elsewhere:

"WCBS-TV: Some children found hiding in closets moments ago at Connecticut school in Newtown"

Came through like 10 minutes ago.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:28 PM  

WhyteRaven74: they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier



His mother worked at the school. Possible chain of events: gets pissed at his family, kills his bro, drives to his mother's school, kills her, and then just goes completely farking apeshiat and kills every little kid in the room. CRAZY.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:37 PM  
Obviously something like this will evoke a strong output of emotions.

Right now, as information is coming in, and as it is still fresh, we are apt to make instant impactful statements that we do not think before we speak.

I implore everyone to process what they are about to say instead of just saying it.

We are all sickened by this. We are all angry by this. Right now lets focus on open minded discussion over insulting each other. Insulting each other does no one any good at this point; it only makes us even more emotional.

If you want to make a quip about gun control, dont act like an ass. If you want to make a quip about being against gun control, dont act like an ass.

Thank you for your attention
 
2012-12-14 03:44:43 PM  
 
2012-12-14 03:44:43 PM  

serial_crusher: Shooter killed himself, huh? It's a shame that he deprived the police of that honor.


It's a REAL shame he didn't do that FIRST. Miserable prick had to take innocent children's lives, times like this I wish I believed in hell.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:45 PM  
This is too heart wrenching to even do that, subby. I'm out.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:51 PM  
Can't stop crying. Cannot understand what went so very very wrong in this person/person's life that drove him to this. Absolutely heart breaking. And in no way is this a political thing but Obama's speech while fighting back tears...made me sob.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:51 PM  

GORDON: Hey is it too soon in this thread to nail these dead children to crosses in the name of politicizing gun control?


If there isn't to be a conversation about gun control now, when is it going to happen? What is the window on that? Because this kind of thing happens all too frequently.
 
2012-12-14 03:44:55 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Why didn't he just jump off the George Washington Bridge like all the other screwed up nutjobs?


they put up fences there on the walk paths to prevent that. I used to ride my bike across every so often.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:01 PM  
Looking around the office today, the folks without kids look are shocked, the folks with kids look completely devastated. Obama lost it in the press conference. God farking dammit.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:01 PM  
All I can say is I can't wait to get home tonight and really hug my 6 year old daughter who is in Kindergarten.

This hits way too close to home. I cried a little talking to my wife about it over the phone.

/so sad
 
2012-12-14 03:45:01 PM  

dennysgod: Westboro Baptist church blaming this on Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalizing same-sex marriages last month in 3...2...1...


/you know those f*ckers will


Everybody is going to blame something no matter how relevant it is. The way the shooter grew up, his background nationality, that one political belief he had in high school, that club he was part of, what videogames he played. Anything to just settle with their beliefs so they can walk away and not have to deal with the crushing reality.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:11 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: WhyteRaven74: they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier


His mother worked at the school. Possible chain of events: gets pissed at his family, kills his bro, drives to his mother's school, kills her, and then just goes completely farking apeshiat and kills every little kid in the room. CRAZY.


Why is the other brother in custody then?
 
2012-12-14 03:45:25 PM  
MY kids get off the bus in 5-10 minutes... when they get off i am giving them a HUGE hug and be thanking the Architect that they are still safe and we will still have a Christmas with a family that is whole...

My heart goes out to the parents... Nothing will bring their children back, nothing will give them comfort...
 
2012-12-14 03:45:36 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Video: Obama's statement. Link


Transcript: Here
 
2012-12-14 03:45:39 PM  

Leeds: Does anyone have a link to Obama's press conference? I missed it live and am curious to see what he had to say.


I watched it live. Brief and moving. President hinted that action will be taken to attempt to stop these atrocities.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:43 PM  
Fine, this is too early to discuss gun control (I prefer an outright ban on all guns of all kind, starting right now, but anyway) because it is just happening and now is not the time.

Aurora happened a while ago, let's talk how we would have prevented that.
Gabby Gifford got shot over a year ago, let's talk how we could prevented that.
Let's talk why those Sikhs died.
Let's talk Virginia tech.
Let's talk Nadal's army shooting.
Let's talk the mall shootings this Tuesday.

What the fark? How much farking more blood you want?
 
2012-12-14 03:45:46 PM  

Somacandra: USP .45: Well Obama just did so go for it.

Shouldn't you be on some NRA site complaining about how everyone hates Whitey without any evidence?


no I was saying white people are latenty racist regarding another issue, but continue with the texbook "call him a racist" trick.

Also, Obama's statement was curiously linked for us. Why don't you watch it.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:47 PM  
Mental illness is a farking real b.
 
2012-12-14 03:45:49 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: shower_in_my_socks: WhyteRaven74: they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier


His mother worked at the school. Possible chain of events: gets pissed at his family, kills his bro, drives to his mother's school, kills her, and then just goes completely farking apeshiat and kills every little kid in the room. CRAZY.

Why is the other brother in custody then?


Possibly because a bunch of pissed-off parents were given his name by an idiotic media?
 
2012-12-14 03:45:49 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I'm done with work for the day... If anyone wants me meet for a drink in PDX, I need one. I'll be in downtown at the Schmub on SW 4th.


I'd join you but I'm stuck at work for a while. On top of being Friday this shiat is distracting...
 
2012-12-14 03:46:07 PM  
Unfortunate Yahoo trending placement:


01 School shooting in Connecticut
02 Best Funeral Ever
 
2012-12-14 03:46:12 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Vegan Meat Popsicle: BraveNewCheneyWorld: 80,000 people die every year in the U.S. from alcohol related events. Reaction... meh who cares
30,000 from car accidents.. meh
3,000,000 die around the world from std's. meh
16,000 children die each DAY from starvation.. meh
1,000,000 die in the middle east because of a lie.. meh

I can be outraged about more than on injustice at a time. Sorry to hear about your limitations.

The point.. you missed it.


It's a stupid point because those things aren't the same, and most of us are upset about that crap too.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:17 PM  
For the record, my comment in the previous thread was poorly executed sarcasm. My point was that the bullshiat that gun nuts tell themselves over and over again (guns don't kill people; the second amendment protects me from tyranny; gun control only increases violence) is really just their way of ignoring the obvious: we have a severe problem with gun violence in this country that is exacerbated by extremely lax gun laws, but there's a large segment of the population that doesn't want the government interfering with their hobby.

I'm a gun owner, and enjoy the hobby. But I think it is way too easy to buy and sell handguns and semiautomatic rifles in this country, and would fully support common sense things like closing the gun show loophole, and reinstating the assault weapons ban.

Flame me if you want. Maybe more gun control would help, maybe it wouldn't. What I do know is that you can't commit a mass shooting without a gun. And it sickens me that these shootings keep on happening. We have to do something about it.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:22 PM  
BronyMedic:
[Citation Needed] that a CCW has ever stopped a spree shooter in a School or College Campus. It's ALWAYS been people taking action to overwhelm and rush the shooter, or campus police drilling them in the skill. Or they've had their guns jam, or killed themselves.

It's been posted in both the threads on this topic today.
It was posted in the "mall shooter" thread
It has been posted in several gun thread before that.

Your refusal to face reality does not change the facts. They are as a wise man once said, "Stubborn things"

1) ========================================================
Pearl High School in Pearl Mississippi, October 1, 1997.

A 16 year-old student, Luke Woodham, after slitting his mothers throat, showed up at school with a .30-30 rifle and started shooting. Upon hearing the shots, the Principal immediately called 911 seeking help from the Police, as more shots rang out.

Assistant Principal, Joel Myrick, reacted much differently, though. Hearing the shots, he ran to his parked truck and retrieved his own .45 caliber pistol and chased Woodham down, holding him at bay by pointing the loaded weapon right at his face. Woodham stopped his carnage right there.


2) ========================================================
Parker Middle School dance shooting April 24, 1998

Wurst showed up late to the dance, with his father's .25-caliber pistol in a holster belt under his jacket. He had previously left a suicide note under his pillow, and stated to investigators that he planned to go to the dance and kill only himself.[4]

The shooting began on an outdoor patio, about 20 minutes before the dance was scheduled to end, around 9:40. He shot John Gillette ....

...Wurst proceeded to enter Nick's Place, where the dance had been held, and subsequently fired and wounded Edrye Boraten, a teacher and two students, Jacob Tury and Justin Fletcher.[1] The shooting ended when the owner of Nick's Place, James Strand, intervened and confronted Wurst with his shotgun, ordering him to drop his weapon and later holding him at bay for eleven minutes

But lets keep trying it your way. Disarm groups then wonder how bad things happen.

You've stacked all the cards are stacked in your favor and you're still wrong. Your side has setup situations where people are disarmed then puff your chest up and demand evidence victims in that disarmed population defended themselves with guns you took from them.

Columbine -no guns allowed- Cops sat outside while students were being killed yet your side blames gun owners for not stopping the active shooters.

V. Tech -no guns allow- yet hoplophobes hopped in the thread demanding gun owners explain why a law abiding gun owner didn't stop the shooting.

CO Theater -no guns allow- yet your side ridiculed the fact that no gun owner stopped the shooting.

Oregon mall shooting - -no guns allow- yet again (seeing a trend yet?)

The "logic" of your argument is so clearly flawed yet you never stop using it.

We keep trying it your way, with disarmed victim zones. What do they call trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?
 
2012-12-14 03:46:29 PM  

netweavr: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x376]


Not cool.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:36 PM  

nekom: serial_crusher: Shooter killed himself, huh? It's a shame that he deprived the police of that honor.

It's a REAL shame he didn't do that FIRST. Miserable prick had to take innocent children's lives, times like this I wish I believed in hell.


You know, hell exists to me. Physically burning in a lake of fire, or being an object of protracted hate for as long as your name exists in human memory... what's the difference?
 
2012-12-14 03:46:41 PM  
The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitmore, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes
 
2012-12-14 03:46:41 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Video: Obama's statement. Link


:(
 
2012-12-14 03:46:43 PM  
It would be wonderful if we could keep firearms out of the hands of hell spawn lunatics like these, but does anyone realistically expect that our Federal government could pull it off? All they can do is restrict gun ownership among the sane, law abiding population.

Statistics and rhetorical arguments on both sides of the issue be damned. People have been committing murderous atrocities on each other since the the dawn of man.

Any one who politicizes this tragedy is a douche.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:54 PM  
Only 1 wounded, means he methodically executed all those kids. This wasn't spray and pray. Horrible.
 
2012-12-14 03:46:54 PM  

Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.


Any information about whether the dude has a written history of mental illness? I don't have any problem with gun control that keeps them away from people like Seung Cho. Not sure about this nutjob's particulars though, whether or not there were warning signs.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:10 PM  
RIP Lanza 

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-14 03:47:14 PM  
I had to lay down and take a nap, I was so sad. I wake up and find out someone stabbed up children in China today as well.

:(
 
2012-12-14 03:47:21 PM  

Jument: I really don't think someone who is so disturbed that they would contemplate mass murder is going to seek professional help even in a country with more accessible or socialized healthcare.


The Aurora shooter was known to be mentally ill, but nothing was done because there was no requirement to do anything. The VT shooter was getting treatment alas how the school handled him was the worst possible thing they could've done.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:25 PM  

Calypsocookie: And in no way is this a political thing but Obama's speech while fighting back tears...made me sob.


Any empathic person with kids of their own--is going to mentally ask "what if" ---and is going to emotionally react to their own hypothetical. That's normal human emotion.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:30 PM  

IlGreven: SharpieIncident: This sums up how I feel about this:
"This will be my only post today. We are shocked and horrified by the news coming out of Connecticut. When senseless violence takes the most innocent of lives, our grief is all the deeper.

Many will seek to turn their outrage to action. But now is not the time for politics. Let us instead reflect upon what was lost today, and first grieve together for the victims, many of whom were just children." ~George Takei via Facebook.

My rage will boil in a few minutes, impotent as it may be.

This is the one time that I disagree with George Takei. Outrage leads to action, and a resolution. Introspection leads to apathy, and continuation. I don't want this to continue.


A resolution to what? Senseless tragedy? There are parents with Christmas gifts at home that will never be opened. An abyss where the heart once was. Can we not, as a human race, collectively pause and remember that these new political tools were once sweet little voices with souls of their own? Whether Left, Right, or Other, they deserve better.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:37 PM  
I saw this start this morning. I just heard there was 18 kids shot.

WTF already!

There has to be some video game or program all these shooters are watching.

Something's happening.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:39 PM  
The topic of mental health funding always comes up when the shooter is white. fark that, Imma go with terrorist sumamabiatch.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:45 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Why is the other brother in custody then?



They could have him in custody for the sole reason that his brother just went apeshiat and killed the rest of his family and a bunch of kids. It doesn't mean they're charging him with anything, but they SURE AS FARK want to talk to him about what the fark just happened.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:55 PM  

Tax Boy: Dusk-You-n-Me: Video: Obama's statement. Link

Transcript: Here


Did he mention a possible terrorist attack?
 
2012-12-14 03:48:07 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The point.. you missed it.


You're comparing chronic social and health conditions with ongoing attempts at resolution with a spree killing that's already over. I'd love to hear what "the point" is.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:12 PM  

nekom: serial_crusher: Shooter killed himself, huh? It's a shame that he deprived the police of that honor.

It's a REAL shame he didn't do that FIRST. Miserable prick had to take innocent children's lives, times like this I wish I believed in hell.


yes, that would have been preferable.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:14 PM  

monoski: GORDON: Hey is it too soon in this thread to nail these dead children to crosses in the name of politicizing gun control?

Discussion is long overdue. When do you propose the problem is discussed? Or do you feel there is no problem?


In other news, yet another knife-wielding asshole went tearing through a school in China.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:14 PM  

mayIFark: How much farking more blood you want?


media.giantbomb.com

all of it.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:22 PM  

amquelbettamin: How about we post the happiest moments in our lives instead of talking about this evil?


Maybe not the happiest, but a recent one was on a hike to a two hundred foot tall waterfall with some buddies. It was cold and wet. Feet drenched from 6 river crossings at that point. Break for lunch and built a little fire, heated up some freeze dried hiker meals and shot the bull for a while. Turned it into a perfect day.

I guess the moral is be glad for what you have. Could be gone tomorrow.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:24 PM  
Dude killed his roommate too.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:25 PM  

orezona: This hits way too close to home. I cried a little talking to my wife about it over the phone.


A lot of us did. My wife gave our girls wet kisses on the phone so I could hear it. All three are napping together right now instead of separately.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:36 PM  

coco ebert: The topic of mental health funding always comes up when the shooter is white. fark that, Imma go with terrorist sumamabiatch.


I dunnoa bout anyone else, but I bring it up whenever someone does something absolutely nutty, not just if they're white. JHC.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:39 PM  

davidphogan: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I'm done with work for the day... If anyone wants me meet for a drink in PDX, I need one. I'll be in downtown at the Schmub on SW 4th.

I'd join you but I'm stuck at work for a while. On top of being Friday this shiat is distracting...


Thanks - just called in sick myself. Sick of this world, sick of this shiat... man. My wife is subbing for people who didn't want to work at Clackamas Town Center today so. I don't know. Here I am a 30+ yr old guy with no kids sobbing at my computer. Glad I work at home.
 
2012-12-14 03:48:40 PM  

drivingsouth: RIP Lanza 

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x259]


ugh don't make me

[tony danza.jpg]
 
2012-12-14 03:48:44 PM  
The cop speaking now seems very coherent...
 
2012-12-14 03:48:47 PM  

Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.


At some point our politicians are going to have to drag out the growing gorilla in the room and bring it on stage. I can get waiting a few days to get the full details of the incident and motive, but they're going to have to stop farking running away.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:02 PM  

mayIFark: Fine, this is too early to discuss gun control (I prefer an outright ban on all guns of all kind, starting right now, but anyway) because it is just happening and now is not the time.


That's the solution for sure.

/sigh
 
2012-12-14 03:49:07 PM  

Titan_Uranus: Only 1 wounded, means he methodically executed all those kids. This wasn't spray and pray. Horrible.



Reports are that it was execution style. He just walked around a room full of cowering kids and shot them one by one.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:09 PM  

phritz: Looking around the office today, the folks without kids look are shocked, the folks with kids look completely devastated. Obama lost it in the press conference. God farking dammit.


As has been said in the other thread, it's a parent thing. Obama has 2 little girls. I have a daughter in Kindergarten myself. Any parent, myself included, is QUITE upset at something like this. I'm not saying non-parents aren't, just that parents make it a little bit more personal. "What if it was my kid's school?" is a thought that has certainly occurred to me.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:14 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Why is the other brother in custody then?


They could have him in custody for the sole reason that his brother just went apeshiat and killed the rest of his family and a bunch of kids. It doesn't mean they're charging him with anything, but they SURE AS FARK want to talk to him about what the fark just happened.


That's fair. Not thinking straight today, thanks.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:18 PM  
R.I.P. Tony Danza
 
2012-12-14 03:49:20 PM  

walkerhound: Tax Boy: Dusk-You-n-Me: Video: Obama's statement. Link

Transcript: Here

Did he mention a possible terrorist attack?


I don't like making jokes at times like these, but that one was funny enough that I'll let it go.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:24 PM  

Kit Fister: coco ebert: The topic of mental health funding always comes up when the shooter is white. fark that, Imma go with terrorist sumamabiatch.

I dunnoa bout anyone else, but I bring it up whenever someone does something absolutely nutty, not just if they're white. JHC.


Awesome, then we're on the same page. *fistbump*
 
2012-12-14 03:49:26 PM  
Was there any previous sign of mental illness? I mean, you have to be pretty farked to shoot up an elementary school, but some people truly are just arseholes, not ill.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:34 PM  
Pssst...to any young kids reading Fark today in elementary school. First of all, you shouldn't be on this site, it's nasty. But second of all, when you go home tonight, you can pretty much write your own farking check. Have your folks been hemming and hawing about that puppy or bicycle or Xbox you really want for Christmas? Now's your chance. Just put on those big, wet anime eyes, and say something cute like, "I wuv you mommy," or "Can we have pasketti for dinner," and then drop a little hint about great it would be to have a bike or puppy or Xbox, and how happy it would make you and it sure would be a shame if Something Bad happened to you before you got a chance to enjoy it. Also, you got a pretty good shot at ice cream for dessert tonight.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:40 PM  

Chummer45: For the record, my comment in the previous thread was poorly executed sarcasm. My point was that the bullshiat that gun nuts tell themselves over and over again (guns don't kill people; the second amendment protects me from tyranny; gun control only increases violence) is really just their way of ignoring the obvious: we have a severe problem with gun violence in this country that is exacerbated by extremely lax gun laws, but there's a large segment of the population that doesn't want the government interfering with their hobby.

I'm a gun owner, and enjoy the hobby. But I think it is way too easy to buy and sell handguns and semiautomatic rifles in this country, and would fully support common sense things like closing the gun show loophole, and reinstating the assault weapons ban.

Flame me if you want. Maybe more gun control would help, maybe it wouldn't. What I do know is that you can't commit a mass shooting without a gun. And it sickens me that these shootings keep on happening. We have to do something about it.


I'm right there with ya, and yes, they will come to flame you for no better reason than to flame. I've felt it a few times by trying to prove my point about responsible gun ownership vs. random gun ownership. I used a round about method to get to the point instead of being point blank. They've been trying to flame me over it for an hour or two now.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:43 PM  

valar_morghulis: Tuesdae: USP .45: GORDON: Hey is it too soon in this thread to nail these dead children to crosses in the name of politicizing gun control?

Well Obama just did so go for it.

EABOD.

Or better yet, his words.

Stop being such a coward, USP .45. A gun-shilling coward.



"stop being"

read my posts in the previous thread ass, been doing nothing of the sort.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:01 PM  
I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:06 PM  

Lsherm: Fox news just broke the "assault rifle" cherry. Apparently an M4, but that that with a grain of salt. Both weapons were registered to the mother of the shooter, and unless she's a SWAT member, it was a semiautomatic rifle.


are you trying to say that it isn't an assault rifle since is a semi-auto?
 
2012-12-14 03:50:07 PM  

dennysgod: Westboro Baptist church blaming this on Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalizing same-sex marriages last month in 3...2...1...


/you know those f*ckers will


God, I never thought about them until now. They will do something, I'm sure.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:17 PM  
JungleBoogie: I want to post this by itself as it is the crux of the issue:

The pro-gun groups have made a very good point - criminals don't care about the laws. So the answer to mitigate gun murder is to limit the availability of guns at the manufacturing source. But first the political system must be reformed so it is no longer controlled by moneyed interests, who are able to block reform. These moneyed interest groups control both sides of the aisle.

dwrash:And I would like to point out that they will have to stop diesel fuel and home heating oil at its manufacturing source, along with fertilizer, ferrous oxide, aluminum powder, anything containing hydrochloric acid (and many other acids), most soaps and a host of over the counter and other easily obtained stuff.

The worse school deaths in history was the result of 3 bombs that went off in a Michigan school back in 1927 that killed 45 people... Timothy McVeigh killed more people with his bomb than all these sprees this year COMBINED.

IF someone wants to commit mass murder there is no way to reliable stop them, unless you know before hand and can take them into custody. Arm everybody?.. it won't stop bombs which are detonated remotely.


Good points.

BUT - no one is saying we're going to completely prevent future massacres. We simply wish to reduce their frequency and severity.

Perfection is impossible. And obviously, gun laws at the retail location don't work very well. Criminals get guns illegally. They don't care about the laws.

SO - the answer is to reduce the supply of firearms. This will mitigate the frequency and severity of firearm-based murder of which there have been entirely too many.

However, our political system is broken and completely in thrall to moneyed interests. In this case, the arms industry is able to block any reform. The financial industry was able to block any reform for the same reason. Before any real reform is possible, we must fix our political system. We've voted ourselves quite the klepto-idiocracy. This allows moneyed interests to block any reform. That must change first.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:19 PM  
Here's a petition for those of you who think we need stronger gun control laws.

Link
 
2012-12-14 03:50:21 PM  

mayIFark: Fine, this is too early to discuss gun control (I prefer an outright ban on all guns of all kind, starting right now, but anyway) because it is just happening and now is not the time.

Aurora happened a while ago, let's talk how we would have prevented that.
Gabby Gifford got shot over a year ago, let's talk how we could prevented that.
Let's talk why those Sikhs died.
Let's talk Virginia tech.
Let's talk Nadal's army shooting.
Let's talk the mall shootings this Tuesday.

What the fark? How much farking more blood you want?


Yeah, an outright ban on something that's held mostly by people who never use them to violent ends, and confiscation without due process.

That should end well and mitigate this problem enough for me to feel safe again.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:26 PM  
I predict much hand-wringing and fatalistically attributing the shooting to a "random act of evil" in an effort not to actually DO anything to stop this sort of shiat.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:30 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Jument: I really don't think someone who is so disturbed that they would contemplate mass murder is going to seek professional help even in a country with more accessible or socialized healthcare.

The Aurora shooter was known to be mentally ill, but nothing was done because there was no requirement to do anything. The VT shooter was getting treatment alas how the school handled him was the worst possible thing they could've done.


Well, perhaps I'm just talking out my ass then, at least in part.

American society still over-glorifies guns and violence IMHO. No easy fix for that.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:34 PM  
I wonder how long until I get an email about how many lives could have been saved had the students just been armed?

I think both sides of this argument engage in selective thinking, but the inevitable claim that making schools gun free zones is causing this is the most idiotic stance.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:34 PM  
All the parents picking up their kids this afternoon were somber, but anxious to get their hand on their kids... I didn't want my kid to hear anything or see me cry.

For every evil shiatty thing you hear there are millions of good parents who love and do amazing jobs. I dunno.

I'm turning off the news.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:39 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: It's a stupid point because those things aren't the same,


They're all preventable. That's how they're the same.
 
2012-12-14 03:50:43 PM  

JinxofSpades: Ryan Lanza says it wasn't him on Facebook, so I guess that answers that.
http://gawker.com/5968551/this-ryan-lanza-facebook-profile-is-the-con n ecticut-shooter-stuff-is-farking-up-everything?tag=sandy-hook-shooting


For f--k's sake, Gawker:

Note: we also originally shared the photo, under the headline, "Is This Ryan Lanza, the Connecticut School Shooter?"; we didn't positively identify the profile as the shooter but did link to sources that did, and took it down to rewrite as soon as we saw evidence that it wasn't.)
[This 'Ryan Lanza Facebook Profile Is The Connecticut Shooter' Stuff Is farking Up Everything]


So yeah, we did the same jumping to conclusions crap that Fox did, and yeah, posted the photo too, but WE put a question mark at the end of our post!
 
2012-12-14 03:50:52 PM  

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


I wouldn't try that today.

/just sayin'
 
2012-12-14 03:50:56 PM  
I keep running outside and screaming at us.
/we have fallen

/it's just so sad, how can you take out your anger at children

/going outside to yell some more
 
2012-12-14 03:51:03 PM  
How much could it cost to put walk-through metal detectors and automatic doors in each school? And to close up all entrances except one. A trillion?
 
2012-12-14 03:51:18 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Kit Fister: The All-Powerful Atheismo: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Vegan Meat Popsicle: BraveNewCheneyWorld: 80,000 people die every year in the U.S. from alcohol related events. Reaction... meh who cares
30,000 from car accidents.. meh
3,000,000 die around the world from std's. meh
16,000 children die each DAY from starvation.. meh
1,000,000 die in the middle east because of a lie.. meh

I can be outraged about more than on injustice at a time. Sorry to hear about your limitations.

The point.. you missed it.

It's a stupid point because those things aren't the same, and most of us are upset about that crap too.

They're still a needless, useless, tragic, preventable death. How are they not the same?

If you really can't see the difference, you are being deliberately obtuse.


All deaths that are preventable are a tragedy. I don't weight some as different as others, just because of the object used.
 
2012-12-14 03:51:20 PM  
I texted my wife and she's a wreck. I told her to just hug our son after school and just let him chill out and be a kid. Dont bring up what happened unless he does and then texted her what Mr. Rogers said about in time of crisis. When i get home i'll take him to redbox so he can rent a movie and we can all just decompress tonight. No news, no cell phones just family time
 
2012-12-14 03:51:25 PM  
Yet, the shootings in AZ at the Giffords speech, TONS of people there had weapons and none of them used them.

In interviews they all said about the same things, that they were afraid if they shot others would think they were part of it and shoot them, that they ran for cover instead of trying to be a "hero", or that, when it comes down to it, unless a gun is pointed right at your face, it is very hard to shoot someone else, no matter what you see in the movies.

Funny how gun nuts never bring any of this up, how guns don't always save you.

Only reason that shooter was stopped was his gun jammed and people jumped him.

RARELY do you see a case where a shooter is stopped because someone with a gun shoots them, RARELY.

OnlyM3: BronyMedic:
[Citation Needed] that a CCW has ever stopped a spree shooter in a School or College Campus. It's ALWAYS been people taking action to overwhelm and rush the shooter, or campus police drilling them in the skill. Or they've had their guns jam, or killed themselves.
It's been posted in both the threads on this topic today.
It was posted in the "mall shooter" thread
It has been posted in several gun thread before that.

Your refusal to face reality does not change the facts. They are as a wise man once said, "Stubborn things"

1) ========================================================
Pearl High School in Pearl Mississippi, October 1, 1997.

A 16 year-old student, Luke Woodham, after slitting his mothers throat, showed up at school with a .30-30 rifle and started shooting. Upon hearing the shots, the Principal immediately called 911 seeking help from the Police, as more shots rang out.

Assistant Principal, Joel Myrick, reacted much differently, though. Hearing the shots, he ran to his parked truck and retrieved his own .45 caliber pistol and chased Woodham down, holding him at bay by pointing the loaded weapon right at his face. Woodham stopped his carnage right there.


2) ========================================================
Parker Middle School dance shooting April 24, 1998

Wurst showed up late to the dance, with his father's .25-caliber pistol in a holster belt under his jacket. He had previously left a suicide note under his pillow, and stated to investigators that he planned to go to the dance and kill only himself.[4]

The shooting began on an outdoor patio, about 20 minutes before the dance was scheduled to end, around 9:40. He shot John Gillette ....

...Wurst proceeded to enter Nick's Place, where the dance had been held, and subsequently fired and wounded Edrye Boraten, a teacher and two students, Jacob Tury and Justin Fletcher.[1] The shooting ended when the owner of Nick's Place, James Strand, intervened and confronte ...

 
2012-12-14 03:51:40 PM  
BronyMedic:That's powerful, hardcore derp there. You do realize that the only requirements to get a CCW permit are a 40 hour class, and be able to hit a stationary target, right? Virginia will let you do it completely online, even.

You're trying to compare someone who, on average, will shoot a weapon only once or twice in a blue moon, and has never been put in a tactical situation, to an officer who is trained and drilled in active shooter scenarios, and is taught from day one of his training how to respond to these, and how to engage someone who is in the middle of a crowd of fleeing people without (unless you're on the NYPD) capping everyone beside him or her.

A group of people with metal chairs in an active shooter scenario can do far more damage in stopping that shooter than a single CCW holder who's never used his weapon in anger.


you do realize that most cops never draw their sidearm except for annual qualifications and never take any advanced training? all CCWs that I know, including myself, shoot regularly and take many classes a year: tactical shooting, low light shooting, handgun, shotgun, rifle, home clearing, etc... well above what your average beat cop receives. I've put more rounds downrange in the last month that a lot of cops will in their career.
 
2012-12-14 03:51:45 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Dude killed his roommate too.



At this point, it might be more efficient to list people this @sshole DIDN'T kill today.
 
2012-12-14 03:51:45 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: All the parents picking up their kids this afternoon were somber, but anxious to get their hand on their kids... I didn't want my kid to hear anything or see me cry.

For every evil shiatty thing you hear there are millions of good parents who love and do amazing jobs. I dunno.

I'm turning off the news.


That was the psychologists recommendation on the NBC feed this morning. Don't let your kids watch TV tonight - young ones can't distinguish between the tv and reality.
 
2012-12-14 03:51:45 PM  
Kinda disheartening when Obama starts rattling off all the scenes...first thought "damn, that list is too f*cking long"
 
2012-12-14 03:51:53 PM  

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


I hope you enjoy jail.
 
2012-12-14 03:52:01 PM  
I just thought 2012: Year of the Shooter was over...sadly, I was wrong.
 
2012-12-14 03:52:04 PM  

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


i have bail money.
 
2012-12-14 03:52:22 PM  

jdcgonzalez: amquelbettamin: How about we post the happiest moments in our lives instead of talking about this evil?

Maybe not the happiest, but a recent one was on a hike to a two hundred foot tall waterfall with some buddies. It was cold and wet. Feet drenched from 6 river crossings at that point. Break for lunch and built a little fire, heated up some freeze dried hiker meals and shot the bull for a while. Turned it into a perfect day.

I guess the moral is be glad for what you have. Could be gone tomorrow.


Very nice, thanks. With a hundred more of these I may feel a bit better.
 
2012-12-14 03:52:35 PM  
"Like this if you are praying for the people of a town no one will care about next week."
 
2012-12-14 03:53:08 PM  
Just got here, have the douche 2nd amendment nuts come in to politicize the murder of children to defend their vaguely defined rights to own nuclear weapons?
 
2012-12-14 03:53:10 PM  
THIS ISN'T ABOUT *GUNS*!


www.thebuzzmedia.com

/he could have used his bare hands.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:12 PM  

CthulhuCalling: BronyMedic:That's powerful, hardcore derp there. You do realize that the only requirements to get a CCW permit are a 40 hour class, and be able to hit a stationary target, right? Virginia will let you do it completely online, even.

You're trying to compare someone who, on average, will shoot a weapon only once or twice in a blue moon, and has never been put in a tactical situation, to an officer who is trained and drilled in active shooter scenarios, and is taught from day one of his training how to respond to these, and how to engage someone who is in the middle of a crowd of fleeing people without (unless you're on the NYPD) capping everyone beside him or her.

A group of people with metal chairs in an active shooter scenario can do far more damage in stopping that shooter than a single CCW holder who's never used his weapon in anger.

you do realize that most cops never draw their sidearm except for annual qualifications and never take any advanced training? all CCWs that I know, including myself, shoot regularly and take many classes a year: tactical shooting, low light shooting, handgun, shotgun, rifle, home clearing, etc... well above what your average beat cop receives. I've put more rounds downrange in the last month that a lot of cops will in their career.


The crime rate of CCW holders is less than that of police, in some states. Ran the numbers a while back and first example was North Carolina.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:16 PM  
20 kids were killed. 18 at the school, and 2 of the 3 people that were rushed to the hospital were kids, and they've died. No word on the status and age of the 3rd person at the hospital.

Just FYI in case you didn't read up...Initially it was reported as Ryan Lanza as the shooter, and they had a suspect in custody at the scene, which was his younger brother.

Now it's being reported that the shooter is Adama Lanza, and that Ryan Lanza is in custody.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2012-12-14 03:53:23 PM  

JungleBoogie: However, our political system is broken and completely in thrall to moneyed interests. In this case, the arms industry is able to block any reform. The financial industry was able to block any reform for the same reason. Before any real reform is possible, we must fix our political system. We've voted ourselves quite the klepto-idiocracy. This allows moneyed interests to block any reform. That must change first.


Repeated for truth. I have already seen a personal attack about people posting concerns about the fact that he/she is concerned with the gun lobby. Sorry.. it isn't a "hippie" concern. The evidence is in front of everyone... the agenda in goverment is controlled by money right now. As a citizen I can't get a representative to listen to me unless I can pay $1 million dollars. One of the major reasons we don't have proper curbs on the industry is because of lobbyists. It's at the root of the problem just as lobbying is at the root of MOST of our political problems.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:26 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The All-Powerful Atheismo: It's a stupid point because those things aren't the same,

They're all preventable. That's how they're the same.


That is ONE way they're the same, that doesn't mean they're exactly the same.

Oh and many of those aren't preventable, so your point is even more worthless.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:26 PM  
I keep running outside and screaming at us.

I do the same thing when there's a thread with the 'Florida' tag.
The key to it is, don't do it naked and just tell the neighbors that you saw a mouse on your kitchen floor.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:33 PM  

zarberg: Mrtraveler01: Why didn't he just jump off the George Washington Bridge like all the other screwed up nutjobs?

they put up fences there on the walk paths to prevent that. I used to ride my bike across every so often.


I was on the bridge just a couple of weeks ago, you can totally jump off if you want to.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:39 PM  

SharpieIncident: This sums up how I feel about this:
"This will be my only post today. We are shocked and horrified by the news coming out of Connecticut. When senseless violence takes the most innocent of lives, our grief is all the deeper.

Many will seek to turn their outrage to action. But now is not the time for politics. Let us instead reflect upon what was lost today, and first grieve together for the victims, many of whom were just children." ~George Takei via Facebook.

My rage will boil in a few minutes, impotent as it may be.


Needed repeating.

/Takei for President, 2016
 
2012-12-14 03:53:46 PM  

Godscrack: I saw this start this morning. I just heard there was 18 kids shot.

WTF already!

There has to be some video game or program all these shooters are watching.

Something's happening.


If you ban video games, gun's and Television...I guarantee there will be no more school violence within a year.

Well not really but it would make everybody feel like they had done something. And its a hellova lot easier than trying to fix the mental health and societal issues in this country amiright?
 
2012-12-14 03:53:47 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Note: we also originally shared the photo, under the headline, "Is This Ryan Lanza, the Connecticut School Shooter?"; we didn't positively identify the profile as the shooter but did link to sources that did, and took it down to rewrite as soon as we saw evidence that it wasn't.)
[This 'Ryan Lanza Facebook Profile Is The Connecticut Shooter' Stuff Is farking Up Everything]


So yeah, we did the same jumping to conclusions crap that Fox did, and yeah, posted the photo too, but WE put a question mark at the end of our post!


My general rule of thumb: if a "news" headline asks a yes/no question, the answer is 'no'.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: shower_in_my_socks: I thought his bro was in custody, or is this a different sibling? So he killed his mom, his bro is dead in another city. WTF just happened? Maybe the brother committed suicide when he got the news.

they were reporting he killed his mother and father earlier


Are they now saying that he killed his mother and brother? Or is it his mother and father AND brother?

/This is getting confusing.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:50 PM  
So the hospital holds a press conference to say that they can't say anything.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:51 PM  

letrole: If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,


As they are with Jesus.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:55 PM  

tweek46420: Lsherm: Fox news just broke the "assault rifle" cherry. Apparently an M4, but that that with a grain of salt. Both weapons were registered to the mother of the shooter, and unless she's a SWAT member, it was a semiautomatic rifle.

are you trying to say that it isn't an assault rifle since is a semi-auto?


Look up the definition of assault rifle and then come back to the thread
 
2012-12-14 03:53:57 PM  

JonBuck: This bastard killed his mother and brother, too.


His father in Hoboken
 
2012-12-14 03:53:59 PM  

Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.


ABSOLUTELY THIS.

If now isn't the time to have a discussion about gun control, when will it ever be?
 
2012-12-14 03:54:13 PM  

CBS: Six more children found hiding in closets at school. #newtown

- jessica testa (@jtes) December 14, 2012
 
2012-12-14 03:54:20 PM  
Off topic.... Is it just me, but EVERY time the Daily Show/Colbert Report goes on a break, something big happens.

Duh this isn't something they're going to report on jon and stephen would be giving a heartfelt reflection. It just seems that every time their show goes on a brief or holiday hiatus, something big takes place nationally or internationally.
 
2012-12-14 03:54:22 PM  

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


Why don't you have a seat over there.......
 
2012-12-14 03:54:24 PM  

BronyMedic: OnlyM3: 1) ========================================================
Pearl High School in Pearl Mississippi, October 1, 1997.

A 16 year-old student, Luke Woodham, after slitting his mothers throat, showed up at school with a .30-30 rifle and started shooting. Upon hearing the shots, the Principal immediately called 911 seeking help from the Police, as more shots rang out.

Assistant Principal, Joel Myrick, reacted much differently, though. Hearing the shots, he ran to his parked truck and retrieved his own .45 caliber pistol and chased Woodham down, holding him at bay by pointing the loaded weapon right at his face. Woodham stopped his carnage right there.

Uh, no. He did not "stop the carnage right there."Myrick ran out to get his weapon, while the shooter finished his killing spree and was about to flee in his mother's car. He jumped into the car and put the gun in the guy's face. The only thing he succeeded in stopping was the shooter leaving the school grounds.

OnlyM3: 2) ========================================================
Parker Middle School dance shooting April 24, 1998

Wurst showed up late to the dance, with his father's .25-caliber pistol in a holster belt under his jacket. He had previously left a suicide note under his pillow, and stated to investigators that he planned to go to the dance and kill only himself.[4]

The shooting began on an outdoor patio, about 20 minutes before the dance was scheduled to end, around 9:40. He shot John Gillette ....

...Wurst proceeded to enter Nick's Place, where the dance had been held, and subsequently fired and wounded Edrye Boraten, a teacher and two students, Jacob Tury and Justin Fletcher.[1] The shooting ended when the owner of Nick's Place, James Strand, intervened and confronted Wurst with his shotgun, ordering him to drop his weapon and later holding him at bay for eleven minutes

This shooting occured on private property. It was not a school spree shooting. In addition, the holder of the weapon did not f ...


Given your position on CCW, I'm sorry I sponsor you to TF.
 
2012-12-14 03:54:26 PM  

Lundyn: special20: We should reassign the TSA to protect our public schools.

The sad thing is that this isn't such a bad idea at this point.


...make lemonade, right? Still, those farkwits would likely screw up schools too.
 
2012-12-14 03:54:30 PM  

Tickle Mittens: Better find a way to live with firearms. It's not unreasonable to imagine a future where 3d printers are ubiquitious, and people are already making working lower recievers with them. We don't have a choice going forward any more than Sony had a choice wrt to mp3s.


How, exactly, do you plan to use a 3d printer to make ammunition. And no one is saying ban fire arms, so keep farking that straw man.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2012-12-14 03:54:31 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: So yeah, we did the same jumping to conclusions crap that Fox did, and yeah, posted the photo too, but WE put a question mark at the end of our post!


I hope they both get sued.
 
2012-12-14 03:54:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So the hospital holds a press conference to say that they can't say anything.


Furthermore: "I can't answer any questions", and then he proceeds to take questions.
 
2012-12-14 03:54:38 PM  
He killed kids, parents, roommate and maybe his girlfirend...NO, I'm done giving this A-Hole the time of day, retcon his ass out of the history books! Just fark this black hearted person.
 
2012-12-14 03:54:39 PM  

mjohnson71: Didn't take long.While I was in the break room watching a replay of Obama's press conference, one of the rednecky warehouse guys said "Farking fake tears!" before storming out.


Words cannot express how I wish I was in that room to punch that guy in the mouth.
 
2012-12-14 03:54:42 PM  

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


Take candy, kids love taking candy from strangers. And hugs.
 
2012-12-14 03:54:45 PM  

cman: Obviously something like this will evoke a strong output of emotions.

Right now, as information is coming in, and as it is still fresh, we are apt to make instant impactful statements that we do not think before we speak.

I implore everyone to process what they are about to say instead of just saying it.

We are all sickened by this. We are all angry by this. Right now lets focus on open minded discussion over insulting each other. Insulting each other does no one any good at this point; it only makes us even more emotional.

If you want to make a quip about gun control, dont act like an ass. If you want to make a quip about being against gun control, dont act like an ass.

Thank you for your attention


Well said. Keep your heart full and your head clear the best you can.
 
2012-12-14 03:55:00 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: /it's just so sad, how can you take out your anger at children


Don't rush to judgement. We don't have evidence that the children were not armed. It could have been just self defense
 
2012-12-14 03:55:01 PM  

Kit Fister:
All deaths that are preventable are a tragedy. I don't weight some as different as others, just because of the object used.


Gee, I didn't say they weren't as bad, or that these deaths are "worse" than those deaths, I just said they aren't the same situation, which can change the emotional response. Also many of those listed aren't preventable.
 
2012-12-14 03:55:04 PM  

mayIFark: Fine, this is too early to discuss gun control (I prefer an outright ban on all guns of all kind, starting right now, but anyway) because it is just happening and now is not the time.

Aurora happened a while ago, let's talk how we would have prevented that.
Gabby Gifford got shot over a year ago, let's talk how we could prevented that.
Let's talk why those Sikhs died.
Let's talk Virginia tech.
Let's talk Nadal's army shooting.
Let's talk the mall shootings this Tuesday.

What the fark? How much farking more blood you want?


Due to the way our political system has metastasized, moneyed interests have outsized influence on politicians, and are able to block reform. Ref: the arms industry and the financial industry.

We currently have government of the highest bidder, by the highest bidder, for the highest bidder. That must be changed first.

Then, we must limit the number of firearms in circulation. Simple gun laws don't work as criminals don't care, they disobey the laws routinely. So there must be fewer firearms in circulation so they can illegally obtain fewer firearms.

And, it's not going to be perfect, but the best thing we can do is to reduce the frequency and severity of massacres. This goal is well within our grasp. If we choose to take the necessary actions.
 
2012-12-14 03:55:10 PM  

JonBuck: This bastard killed his mother and brother, too.


This pattern is not unusual. Kill someone at home than go somewhere and kill more. We've seen that one before. Ottawa (Canada) where I live had the St. Pious X massacre which followed this pattern back in the mid-70's. Nowhere near this scale though.
 
2012-12-14 03:55:11 PM  

www.arktimes.com



"Clearly today is not the time to talk about gun control.

And neither is tomorrow.

Or the next day.

Or the day after that.

Or the day after that..."
 
2012-12-14 03:55:16 PM  

calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.


I'm doing pictures of kids with Santa tonight at my kid's elementary school. You can bet every single one of those kids is getting a big hug from me tonight.
 
2012-12-14 03:55:49 PM  
Wow. What the hell. I like to comfort myself by saying I will never understand the thoughts inside that man's head.

And Obama's speech moved me. I hope that everyone involved in the inevitable gun control debate will take a breath and remember these kids who died. That's what it's about. Maybe you think the solution is tighter gun control. Maybe you think it's a stronger mental health system. Maybe it's more armed people at the schools.

But whatever side you come down on, remember that this is what motivates people. Not some abstract ideology that people want to implement in the name of socialism. Dead kids. In Anytown, USA. farking terrible - there are no good words for something like this. Honor the dead by not increasing the hatred and anger in this world when you debate their legacy.
 
2012-12-14 03:55:54 PM  

almandot: Off topic.... Is it just me, but EVERY time the Daily Show/Colbert Report goes on a break, something big happens.

Duh this isn't something they're going to report on jon and stephen would be giving a heartfelt reflection. It just seems that every time their show goes on a brief or holiday hiatus, something big takes place nationally or internationally.


Something big is always happening somewhere
 
2012-12-14 03:55:58 PM  

Ardilla: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

ABSOLUTELY THIS.

If now isn't the time to have a discussion about gun control, when will it ever be?


Irony?

It's nutjobs not being reported or examined as nutjobs. It's one civil liberty at odds with another (we need a national database of nutjobs?). Putting laws on the books regarding nutjobs not being allowed to have guns is easy, and has already been done.
 
2012-12-14 03:56:00 PM  

Ardilla: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

ABSOLUTELY THIS.

If now isn't the time to have a discussion about gun control, when will it ever be?


considering the mass shootings are starting to overlap, if we don't have the conversation in the 15 sanctioned minutes between massacres, we'll miss it.
 
2012-12-14 03:56:02 PM  

serial_crusher: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

Any information about whether the dude has a written history of mental illness? I don't have any problem with gun control that keeps them away from people like Seung Cho. Not sure about this nutjob's particulars though, whether or not there were warning signs.


It'll be a while before we know the particulars, of course. But the fact that the first thing to come up is "mental illness" is telling. I would bet a thousand dollars that this guy has a history of mental issues and some red flags in his past. But even if he doesn't, we've done absolutely nothing to address the fact that crazy people with a predilection for violence have far more access to firearms than they should because some people have an absolutist vision of the Second Amendment.

I have nothing to say yet about the particulars of this case. But the fact is that we've had yet another mass shooting that's killed grade-school children, and in the minds of some we're supposed to not talk about the larger issues involved. No. The need to prevent this stuff from happening again to the extent that we're able trumps peoples' feelings today.
 
2012-12-14 03:56:05 PM  
9bytz.com
 
2012-12-14 03:56:07 PM  
Shooter's GF and friend are missing. Another friend of shooter is missing, brother is in custody.
 
2012-12-14 03:56:12 PM  
Heartbreaking. Sickening.
 
2012-12-14 03:56:17 PM  
Time to face it, the American culture is a violent culture:

www.washingtonpost.com

taken from Eleven facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States
 
2012-12-14 03:56:23 PM  

tweek46420: Lsherm: Fox news just broke the "assault rifle" cherry. Apparently an M4, but that that with a grain of salt. Both weapons were registered to the mother of the shooter, and unless she's a SWAT member, it was a semiautomatic rifle.

are you trying to say that it isn't an assault rifle since is a semi-auto?


Well, yeah. Assault rifles are capable of three round bursts or are fully automatic. Semi-automatic rifles are just semi-automatic rifles. Just as dangerous as a semi-automatic pistol, but with a longer barrel.
 
2012-12-14 03:56:24 PM  

letrole: But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society


Or, you know, a lack of mental healthcare in this country.
 
2012-12-14 03:56:26 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So the hospital holds a press conference to say that they can't say anything.


SOP when a hospital wants to say "Stop asking for information"
 
2012-12-14 03:56:31 PM  

ChipNASA: THIS ISN'T ABOUT *GUNS*!


[www.thebuzzmedia.com image 500x202]

/he could have used his bare hands.


The Chinese guy with a knife at a school was only about to wound 22 and may not even get a death from it.
 
2012-12-14 03:56:35 PM  

JerseyTim: CBS: Six more children found hiding in closets at school. #newtown- jessica testa (@jtes) December 14, 2012


oh my god. like in that classroom?
 
2012-12-14 03:56:37 PM  

Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.


You're talking about batshait crazy people, right?
How are you going to prevent that?
 
2012-12-14 03:56:50 PM  
MaliFinn

Obviously, schools and breeding are at fault here. Guns are a sacred right, education and procreation are not.

How about we simply protect our students as so many of us have called for, for over two decades now?

We've had idiots in DC on both sides of the political spectrum calling schools "soft targets" (the term makes my stomach turn) yet doing nothing to "harden" them. Why not? Is it they don't value the residents or they want bad things to happen to further their political goals


... or both?
 
2012-12-14 03:56:57 PM  

Fiction Fan: [img707.imageshack.us image 500x293]


I know this is Fark, but what is wrong with you?
 
2012-12-14 03:57:02 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: davidphogan: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I'm done with work for the day... If anyone wants me meet for a drink in PDX, I need one. I'll be in downtown at the Schmub on SW 4th.

I'd join you but I'm stuck at work for a while. On top of being Friday this shiat is distracting...

Thanks - just called in sick myself. Sick of this world, sick of this shiat... man. My wife is subbing for people who didn't want to work at Clackamas Town Center today so. I don't know. Here I am a 30+ yr old guy with no kids sobbing at my computer. Glad I work at home.


Ugh, with the wife at CTC I can understand how that could weigh on you as well. I guess it's better that at least my bosses are keeping me somewhat occupied.
 
2012-12-14 03:57:05 PM  

bulldg4life: Kinda disheartening when Obama starts rattling off all the scenes...first thought "damn, that list is too f*cking long"


And that was only in 2012
 
2012-12-14 03:57:07 PM  

eddievercetti: He killed kids, parents, roommate and maybe his girlfirend


How does somebody that crazy have a girlfriend, and I don't?
 
2012-12-14 03:57:12 PM  

CthulhuCalling:
you do realize that most cops never draw their sidearm except for annual qualifications and never take any advanced training? all CCWs that I know, including myself, shoot regularly and take many classes a year: tactical shooting, low light shooting, handgun, shotgun, rifle, home clearing, etc... well above what your average beat cop receives. I've put more rounds downrange in the last month that a lot of cops will in their career.


Do you know what the definition of anecdote is? Or what Dunning-Kruger is? Because that's what you're demonstrating here.

Your plinking means nothing. You are not trained to engage in an active shooter situation. You are NOT law enforcement. You are NOT a tactical operator. Your CCW is for personal defense only, in the immediate danger to your life, or the life of someone around you. It is not for you to charge forward like Call of Medal of Duty Black Ops, and save the day.

Please, oh please tell me you're going to use that in court when you decide to play "The Decider", rush in, and shoot the wrong person, or cap two people along with the shooter.

Because I would LOVE to see a prosecuting DA tear you to shreads on the stand when you say you're more "qualified" to pull the trigger than "a beat cop", and they point out just what kind of quarterly qualifications a COLEA-accredited department has to put their officers through.
 
2012-12-14 03:57:12 PM  
lawcane: For 30 years, I have said this, from John Hinkley to Mark David Chapman to this: "The greatest threat to our domestic life and liberty is not the brown people, but angry white guys"

tenpoundsofcheese
so for 30 years you have been a racist.

good to know.

And that makes me racist, how? Perhaps I hit a nerve
 
2012-12-14 03:57:14 PM  
Press outlets don't publicize suicides because they feel it gives the suicidal party attention and will promote others to take the same action. I believe this activity needs to be reversed, since crazies just take a shiat ton of innocents with them now as they kill themselves to get that attention. Also, it might finally shed a light on the incredible suicide problem we have in the United States.
 
2012-12-14 03:57:20 PM  

stu1-1: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

You're talking about batshait crazy people, right?
How are you going to prevent that?


Add more mental institutions. Make psychiatric care free.
 
2012-12-14 03:57:28 PM  

Yogimus: Did he use a .88 Magnum?


I hope you die of bone cancer.
 
2012-12-14 03:57:32 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: calbert: I'm at a loss, and since I don't have any kids, I'm going to go the nearest school and start hugging as many kids as I can.

Why don't you have a seat over there.......


funny

Lost Thought 00: AlwaysRightBoy: /it's just so sad, how can you take out your anger at children

Don't rush to judgement. We don't have evidence that the children were not armed. It could have been just self defense


not
 
2012-12-14 03:57:35 PM  
fark it, I'm out

25.media.tumblr.com

/going to start my own planet with blackjack and hookers
 
2012-12-14 03:57:41 PM  
"Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families.."

fark OFF

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families.
 
2012-12-14 03:57:58 PM  
I'm not going to get into this debate, I'm just here to say the following...

My deepest sympathies for the families involved in this tragedy.

And while I normally don't think much of cops... The First Responders to this mess also have my sympathies for the fresh nightmares this nut job has given them.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:01 PM  

CthulhuCalling: you do realize that most cops never draw their sidearm except for annual qualifications and never take any advanced training? all CCWs that I know, including myself, shoot regularly and take many classes a year: tactical shooting, low light shooting, handgun, shotgun, rifle, home clearing, etc... well above what your average beat cop receives. I've put more rounds downrange in the last month that a lot of cops will in their career.


yeah, this. Cops might be the worst shooters of anyone who ever touched a gun. Going to the range on their own time? not in your life. It takes too much time away from their busy schedules of beating their girlfriends and drunk driving.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:01 PM  
CBS is showing more interviews with kids. These parents are farked in the head.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:04 PM  

Titan_Uranus: Only 1 wounded, means he methodically executed all those kids. This wasn't spray and pray. Horrible.


If true:
Hey Satan, you know that lowest pit of Hell where you keep the special things for really bad people; would you mind making room for this clown?
 
2012-12-14 03:58:05 PM  
They just showed the Principle and said she was both the principle and school psychologist.. K the original stories said that the 3 adults targeted were principle, school psychologist, and kindergarten teacher and that seemed like a particular progression before we knew he was the son of a teacher and not a parent of a student.. More just happenstance in her case now I guess. From the sounds of the earlier witness about them running out into the halls on hearing gunshots, it sounds like the principle led the charge to find out if her students were in danger.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:06 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The All-Powerful Atheismo: It's a stupid point because those things aren't the same,

They're all preventable. That's how they're the same.

That is ONE way they're the same, that doesn't mean they're exactly the same.

Oh and many of those aren't preventable, so your point is even more worthless.


Um. You won't accept a comparison unless I'm comparing things that are EXACTLY the same? What exactly would the the point of that, genius? I notice people resort to that defense when they have nothing intelligent to say. And yes, they're all preventable too.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:10 PM  
Official death toll appears to be 26 + the shooter. 20 kids, 6 adults.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:24 PM  

almandot: Off topic.... Is it just me, but EVERY time the Daily Show/Colbert Report goes on a break, something big happens.

Duh this isn't something they're going to report on jon and stephen would be giving a heartfelt reflection. It just seems that every time their show goes on a brief or holiday hiatus, something big takes place nationally or internationally.


COMEDY CENTRAL IS IN ON IT!

It's funny because you're right. Stewart was on hiatus when Cheney shot that guy, and he was so sad when he got back from vacation he dedicated his monologue to missing it. They tend to be on vacation when big shiat goes down.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:26 PM  
As a father and husband and son of a teacher, I am deeply upset and my heart goes out to everyone in Connecticut today who is experiencing the soul-crushing loss this tragedy has caused.

There are going to be empty beds tonight, Farkers. Empty little beds. Presents under trees that will never be opened. God. God damn, that... that's just heartbreaking.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:29 PM  
I have a real problem with how the news is dishing this shiat out. Way to interested in the mental health aspect, how this is going to effect you on a personal lvl, how you are going to respond to your kids..hugging them and kissing them reminding you that this couldn't happen anywhere anytime. Smells of fear mongering like a motherfarker, just shut the fark up and report the facts, we don't need YOUR "help" dealing with this mess.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:31 PM  
*sigh*
 
2012-12-14 03:58:33 PM  
A primary school, a place of safety. It's unthinkable and it happened. My heart aches for the families of the dead, and for the terrified children having to live with this memory. And their frantic parents. It's abomination made live. The abyss stared back at us.

One thing in these things, the Fark community is, by and large, pretty amazing at these times. Sure, my ignore list grows hugely, but the vast majority are a community, take them as they are all in all.

/not going to wrap the kidlets up in cotton wool, but dammit, sometimes I want to....
 
2012-12-14 03:58:38 PM  

JungleBoogie: mayIFark: Fine, this is too early to discuss gun control (I prefer an outright ban on all guns of all kind, starting right now, but anyway) because it is just happening and now is not the time.

Aurora happened a while ago, let's talk how we would have prevented that.
Gabby Gifford got shot over a year ago, let's talk how we could prevented that.
Let's talk why those Sikhs died.
Let's talk Virginia tech.
Let's talk Nadal's army shooting.
Let's talk the mall shootings this Tuesday.

What the fark? How much farking more blood you want?

Due to the way our political system has metastasized, moneyed interests have outsized influence on politicians, and are able to block reform. Ref: the arms industry and the financial industry.

We currently have government of the highest bidder, by the highest bidder, for the highest bidder. That must be changed first.

Then, we must limit the number of firearms in circulation. Simple gun laws don't work as criminals don't care, they disobey the laws routinely. So there must be fewer firearms in circulation so they can illegally obtain fewer firearms.

And, it's not going to be perfect, but the best thing we can do is to reduce the frequency and severity of massacres. This goal is well within our grasp. If we choose to take the necessary actions.


on those particular points, I will fight you to my last breath. I will not give up my rights for the illusion of safety. I will fight for proper means to deal with the precipitating causes.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:40 PM  

Kit Fister: Given your position on CCW, I'm sorry I sponsor you to TF.


I'm not anti-CCW. I'm pro common sense. I'm also pro-CCW.

A CCW does not make you a trained operator in a tactical situation. Let's be honest here.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:45 PM  
Just saw Obama's speech. I kind of wish they gave him more time to set it up. This just happened a few hours ago and I personally am trying to figure out what the fark just happened. He and his wife must be really freaked out about this especially with their two kids.
 
2012-12-14 03:58:47 PM  
My daughter just woke up from her nap and I treated her to chocolate chip cookies. My wife gave me The Look™, I told her to turn on the news (while the daughter was doing something else). She came back five minutes later and said I was acquitted of all charges.
 
2012-12-14 03:59:06 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Official death toll appears to be 26 + the shooter. 20 kids, 6 adults.


That's just at the school.
 
2012-12-14 03:59:08 PM  
Lady on CNN: "Worst part was when cop standing in front of last 20 parents had to tell them that their kids were dead."

I'm pretty sure I would've just thrown up and collapsed if I was waiting outside the school and the kids just stopped coming out. Can't even imagine it.
 
2012-12-14 03:59:15 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I don't know. Here I am a 30+ yr old guy with no kids sobbing at my computer. Glad I work at home.


That's the reaction a normal healthy person should have to this kinda shiat.

Evil motherfarkers like this make me wish there really were a hell so he could suffer for all eternity.

Shiatty day to be an atheist.
 
2012-12-14 03:59:18 PM  
Report is the shooter had someone else's ID.
 
2012-12-14 03:59:24 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Popcorn Johnny: Dude killed his roommate too.


At this point, it might be more efficient to list people this @sshole DIDN'T kill today.


He turned me into a newt!

I got better.
 
2012-12-14 03:59:28 PM  

ansius: Time to face it, the American culture is a violent culture:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x695]

taken from Eleven facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States


Yeah, but you put Estonia and Mexico in there and we're good. Right?
 
2012-12-14 03:59:29 PM  

JerseyTim: CBS: Six more children found hiding in closets at school. #newtown- jessica testa (@jtes) December 14, 2012


My kids school trains and drills them in lock downs. Sad that this even has to be a thing but I'm glad they have some training anyways.
 
2012-12-14 04:00:00 PM  
Very appropriate:

The Trews - Gun Control
 
2012-12-14 04:00:02 PM  

USP .45: Irony?

It's nutjobs not being reported or examined as nutjobs. It's one civil liberty at odds with another (we need a national database of nutjobs?). Putting laws on the books regarding nutjobs not being allowed to have guns is easy, and has already been done.


Yes, protecting the inhabitants of the nation is politicizing it.

So, if the deaths were the case of food poisoning, would you be ok with more strict food preparation standards?

Wait! I can't make analogies like this! It blows a huge hole in the logic of your argument! Food is not guns, how stupid can I be?
 
2012-12-14 04:00:08 PM  

davidphogan: Moderator: At this point in time information is coming in fast and we understand that you may want to link to a Facebook page or other information about the shooter.  Please try to refrain from doing so.  It is personal information, and it may link to innocent people unrelated to this tragedy.  Thank you for your consideration. 

One poor dude with the same name already has been blamed lots today. Good call.


I'd be more sympathetic to that dude if he weren't capitalizing on the attention. He's been posting his YouTube stuff & changed his hometown to Hoboken, NJ.
 
2012-12-14 04:00:23 PM  
We should add the lives of the first responders to the toll -- the first people into that classroom full of dead kids are going to be psychologically farked for life.
 
2012-12-14 04:00:23 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The All-Powerful Atheismo: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The All-Powerful Atheismo: It's a stupid point because those things aren't the same,

They're all preventable. That's how they're the same.

That is ONE way they're the same, that doesn't mean they're exactly the same.

Oh and many of those aren't preventable, so your point is even more worthless.

Um. You won't accept a comparison unless I'm comparing things that are EXACTLY the same? What exactly would the the point of that, genius? I notice people resort to that defense when they have nothing intelligent to say. And yes, they're all preventable too.


They're not all preventable by US, and WE are the ones reacting to it you idiot. Why are you people so farking obtuse? And heartless? An emotional response is affected by the manner in which the tragedy occurs. That's pretty farking simple. Everybody here thinks it's just as much of a tragedy if 20 kids die of starvation.
 
2012-12-14 04:00:29 PM  

Godscrack: "Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families.."

fark OFF


This isn't the best time to tell everyone how much of an atheist you are. No one ever cares and even less so at the moment.
 
2012-12-14 04:00:31 PM  
NBC news is back to regular programming FYI.
 
2012-12-14 04:00:34 PM  
Dr. Drew, voice of reason
 
2012-12-14 04:01:08 PM  

Kit Fister: on those particular points, I will fight you to my last breath. I will not give up my rights for the illusion of safety. I will fight for proper means to deal with the precipitating causes.


What a valiant fight to have
 
2012-12-14 04:01:14 PM  

Lsherm: tweek46420: Lsherm: Fox news just broke the "assault rifle" cherry. Apparently an M4, but that that with a grain of salt. Both weapons were registered to the mother of the shooter, and unless she's a SWAT member, it was a semiautomatic rifle.

are you trying to say that it isn't an assault rifle since is a semi-auto?

Well, yeah. Assault rifles are capable of three round bursts or are fully automatic. Semi-automatic rifles are just semi-automatic rifles. Just as dangerous as a semi-automatic pistol, but with a longer barrel.


yeah, my bad was confusing assault rifle with assault weapon

not that an assault weapon can't fire full auto

Link
 
2012-12-14 04:01:15 PM  
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2012-12-14 04:01:18 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Pssst...to any young kids reading Fark today in elementary school. First of all, you shouldn't be on this site, it's nasty. But second of all, when you go home tonight, you can pretty much write your own farking check. Have your folks been hemming and hawing about that puppy or bicycle or Xbox you really want for Christmas? Now's your chance. Just put on those big, wet anime eyes, and say something cute like, "I wuv you mommy," or "Can we have pasketti for dinner," and then drop a little hint about great it would be to have a bike or puppy or Xbox, and how happy it would make you and it sure would be a shame if Something Bad happened to you before you got a chance to enjoy it. Also, you got a pretty good shot at ice cream for dessert tonight.


This was... Ok I admit, kinda funny.
 
2012-12-14 04:01:21 PM  

Kit Fister: Jument: I am confused by all the comments about mental health care. I really don't think someone who is so disturbed that they would contemplate mass murder is going to seek professional help even in a country with more accessible or socialized healthcare.

Some people are just going to snap and do horrible things. When those people snap in a society where violence is glorified and guns are freely available, worse things are going to happen than in other societies. I think that's the problem. American society is not particularly healthy. People are conditioned to towards violence and guns. That worsens the impact of someone having a mental breakdown because they are more pre-disposed to more violent actions.

That's my theory, which I am totally unqualified to put forth.

except in, what, four of the past few shootings, they had been diagnosed as mentally ill and had sought help, but that never went anywhere?


And what about the kid in Colorado who was going to kill kids trick-or-treating on Halloween, but his psychologist turned him in before he could do it?
 
2012-12-14 04:01:34 PM  

RockChalkH1N1: Dr. Drew, voice of reason


For real this time?
 
2012-12-14 04:01:44 PM  
My previous message was asking for calm. Now this shall be my official message on what I believe could be done to prevent things like this.

Outlawing or restricting guns, IMO, would be attacking a symptom of a bigger problem. It has become very apparent that we do not spend enough money at a federal level on mental health resources. I believe that increasing federal funds for mental health access would in the long run significantly reduce these kinds of attacks. No one will ever be able to stop mass murder; it has always been in our history. But we can make an impact at prevention if we can find these folk early and give them access to be more mentally stable.

That is the cost of freedom right there; we pay more in taxes and we keep our weapons. Simple.
 
2012-12-14 04:01:46 PM  

amquelbettamin: jdcgonzalez: amquelbettamin: How about we post the happiest moments in our lives instead of talking about this evil?

Maybe not the happiest, but a recent one was on a hike to a two hundred foot tall waterfall with some buddies. It was cold and wet. Feet drenched from 6 river crossings at that point. Break for lunch and built a little fire, heated up some freeze dried hiker meals and shot the bull for a while. Turned it into a perfect day.

I guess the moral is be glad for what you have. Could be gone tomorrow.

Very nice, thanks. With a hundred more of these I may feel a bit better.


I like it. My moment (or one of them) was probably learning how to bake with my mom when I was about 7. I had the brilliant idea of turning the mixer on full speed when nothing but flour and sugar was in the bowl... spent a good ten minutes cleaning up the mess.
 
2012-12-14 04:01:52 PM  
Someone posted to my FB that a kid was yelling:

"I just want Christmas....I don't want to die. I just want to have Christmas"

true or not that's one of the saddest farking things I've ever read. just awful.
 
2012-12-14 04:01:54 PM  
Glock
Sig sauer
223 Bushmaster
 
2012-12-14 04:01:55 PM  

USP .45: Ardilla: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

ABSOLUTELY THIS.

If now isn't the time to have a discussion about gun control, when will it ever be?

Irony?

It's nutjobs not being reported or examined as nutjobs. It's one civil liberty at odds with another (we need a national database of nutjobs?). Putting laws on the books regarding nutjobs not being allowed to have guns is easy, and has already been done.


So, you're cool with this sort of thing happening over and over again, then?

At minimum, we need to have a national discussion about gun control and, yes, about mental health. But it's long past time for us to enact some sensible guidelines and restrictions.

Wringing our hands yet doing nothing, yet again, is not acceptable.
 
2012-12-14 04:01:57 PM  

GodLovesBeer: I have a real problem with how the news is dishing this shiat out. Way to interested in the mental health aspect, how this is going to effect you on a personal lvl, how you are going to respond to your kids..hugging them and kissing them reminding you that this couldn't happen anywhere anytime. Smells of fear mongering like a motherfarker, just shut the fark up and report the facts, we don't need YOUR "help" dealing with this mess.


Problem is since, Columbine, school shootings = ratings, nothing more. They report facts but no solution, and even then, the facts are at times false, one reason I think shootings are a epidemic is because the news itself, we focus on the shooter more than the victims. We should just spend time on the victims but sadly many would like to know, "Who could have done this?"
 
2012-12-14 04:01:57 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: stu1-1: Cagey B: I would be more down with the "this isn't the time for politics" crowd if we didn't systematically ignore some of the root causes for this stuff every time it happens.

You're talking about batshait crazy people, right?
How are you going to prevent that?

Add more mental institutions. Make psychiatric care free.


But why should I have to pay for someone else's healthcare???

OK, I don't agree with that question, but this is the current political environment we live in. Until we stop with all the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" and "everyone for themselves" mentality we aren't going to do a damn thing about any of this.
 
2012-12-14 04:02:00 PM  
Are we to the point yet where we can demand recommendations on policy changes from the NRA and their ilk on how to prevent insane folks from obtaining firearms? The issues surrounding mentally disturbed people and firearms is an existential issue for the NRA, are they just too stupid to realize it?
 
2012-12-14 04:02:00 PM  
Being the number 1 in gun ownership (maybe #2 behind Yeman) and cutting social services since Reagan is anyone really shocked? This is not a black swain, this is well with in the realm of modern American society.


I learned an invaluable lesson about American culture during my year in Israel. My room mate was an Israel Arab from a smaller village and thus wasn't as exposed to American culture as most Israelis. When I would ask him how his day was instead of the standard American one word response good,fine,etc... he would actually tell me! At first I found this off putting, I hadn't expected him to answer like that, but after awhile I realized how refreshing it was to not have a culture of keep it all in.
In the US as a society we teach people to repress emotion and even to feel bad for having them, specially with men/boys. It's not healthy, it part of the reason we are overworked, unhealthy, and drug addicted. On top of all that we glorify violence and make it seem like an okay outlet for that emotional build up, it's not healthy. Other countries have guns, other countries have see our media including video games and tv shows, the problem is something deeply deeply ingrained in our culture and there is no easy fix. Gun control, parental ratings on video games, better teachers, etc... none of that is a golden bullet to this issue, we need to stop and decided that someone saying "I need help" isn't to be ridiculed. We need to repair the social services in this country and work to get people the help they need, because right now we don't.
 
2012-12-14 04:02:02 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: USP .45: Irony?

It's nutjobs not being reported or examined as nutjobs. It's one civil liberty at odds with another (we need a national database of nutjobs?). Putting laws on the books regarding nutjobs not being allowed to have guns is easy, and has already been done.

Yes, protecting the inhabitants of the nation is politicizing it.

So, if the deaths were the case of food poisoning, would you be ok with more strict food preparation standards?

Wait! I can't make analogies like this! It blows a huge hole in the logic of your argument! Food is not guns, how stupid can I be?


No you agree with me. Keep the bacterial nutjobs of all sizes off the sterile guns and food.