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(Fox 2 St. Louis)   School lunch lady honored for feeding student who couldn't afford his school lunches. Did I say honored? I meant fired   (fox2now.com) divider line 78
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2012-12-14 05:14:38 PM  
12 votes:
But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."


Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.
2012-12-14 06:27:57 PM  
11 votes:

Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.


Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

i.imgur.com

School lunch in the USA... 

i.imgur.com
2012-12-14 06:14:25 PM  
11 votes:
My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.
2012-12-14 06:25:56 PM  
8 votes:

Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.
2012-12-14 06:39:41 PM  
6 votes:

Weaver95: Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have

what if you bend the rules, feed the kid and THEN backdate the paperwork afterwards?

novel concept, right?


What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

These, and other questions, will be ignored by sociopaths, control freaks, and bad Americans, everywhere.
2012-12-14 06:29:20 PM  
6 votes:
I've always thought school lunches should be provided for everyone. I have no idea how much it would cost but as stated before it might be the only meal they have all day. A student that doesn't have an empty stomach will be able to concentrate better. School performance will most likely increase and that benefits everyone.
2012-12-14 06:23:54 PM  
6 votes:
Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.
2012-12-14 05:03:48 PM  
6 votes:
She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better
2012-12-14 06:33:50 PM  
5 votes:

Weaver95: Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!


Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.
2012-12-14 06:33:43 PM  
5 votes:

Update: Dianne Brame has been rehired by Hudson Elementary following the huge response from this story.


Now maybe they'll fire the asshole douchebag fark who fired her in the first place. This is what happens when everyfarkingthing gets outsourced. Cut into profits and we'll farking kill you. If the program had been run by the school, we'd have never heard about it and none of this wouldn't have happened.
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM  
5 votes:
I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.
2012-12-14 07:59:50 PM  
4 votes:
Here's a random, loony, moonbat leftard idea... but why don't we just give all kids the school lunch for free? We already pay for them to be educated through tax revenues; I doubt it'd add too much to the ol' tax liability to give them a couple of bucks worth of chicken and rice and canned green beans a day, and we'd save on the bureaucracy of running a "free school lunch" program. Just hand each kid a meal ticket in their classroom (to keep the little piggies from double-dipping) and be done with it. Then you don't have to worry about sad sacks like this kid not getting enough to eat.
2012-12-14 06:36:07 PM  
4 votes:
It baffles me that we, the human race, have the energy and resources to feed everyone Star Trek-style but refuse to do so because we cling to a 19th century model of scarcity and work. Yet many people desperately embrace the spaceship part while ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?
2012-12-14 06:35:33 PM  
4 votes:

Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?


WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?


/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have
2012-12-14 08:32:31 PM  
3 votes:
How could you possibly look into a childs eyes and say " sorry I can't feed you, your paperwork isn't completed'. Shame on all you hard ass by the book admin nazi bastards. Feed the kids. Just farking feed them.
2012-12-14 08:31:50 PM  
3 votes:

Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.


No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.
2012-12-14 08:01:48 PM  
3 votes:

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he will be fed for life.

But you should shut the fark up, when you have done neither.
2012-12-14 07:19:15 PM  
3 votes:
Kid got to eat, lady got her job back, hopefully parents get help...sometimes the "right" solutions are not the best way to handle a problem. My 1st grade son was coming home everyday for a few weeks saying he only ate half his snack because he shared it with another kid that never has a snack. Regardless of the reason, it's not kids fault, so I just started packing double the snacks since I can easily afford it.

Glad to see my kid has empathy - sure he got it from his mom.
2012-12-14 06:37:20 PM  
3 votes:
An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.
2012-12-14 06:33:01 PM  
3 votes:

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.


Good for her. That is what she should have done when the system you seem to worship results in a hungry kid not getting fed.


She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.


Yeah, sorry kid, you'll just have to go hungry until the district can come up with an interpreter to let your parents know they need to fill out these here forms in order for you to eat. In the mean time, tough shiat.


She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


She was right, period. Realistically, you're a disgrace to the nation. You're a bad person, and should feel bad.
2012-12-14 06:24:36 PM  
3 votes:

ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.


ok, but you aren't human then anymore either so...there's that.
2012-12-14 06:19:55 PM  
3 votes:

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


The right thing was getting that kid onto the free meal plan.
2012-12-14 06:17:35 PM  
3 votes:
Damn, that was a sad story. Especially "I don't think any kid should be hungry. I don't. And it's my belief that some of these kids who go to school and get meals, that may be the only meal they eat that day."
2012-12-14 09:21:47 PM  
2 votes:
How many kids got killed today? Not even in Connecticut, but in China. Maybe not China. They just got stabbed viciously. What about the rest of the world. How many kids lost their teeth as a crappy AK kicked hard enough to knock their teeth out on the Thai/Burma border? Kids living in the sewers of Bogata. Beaches used as bathrooms because the tide washes it out. Kids being firebombed in Bogata.

Seriously. I understand all of these sides of the argument. But there shouldn't even be an argument.
Most of my family are farmers, ranchers and railroad folk from Nebraska. So much food goes to waste. So much energy.

Our country should be able to feed everyone, children or adult. Hell, give the loser on the side of the street the plastic sandwich of shame. Give the little ones in school something that actually nourishes them. Fills them up with enough pride, energy and will to go defy those piece of shiat parents they have at home.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest toast to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

If this isn't still true then dismantle the farking statue.

Our country was built through strength. The strength of a people, many peoples, leaving what they thought was a shiat deal. I know it was built on the strength of the individual. But, times change.

We don't have to be socialist to take infractions against our collective agreement as "Americans" as bad. If we're going to be the world police then let's act like it. Sudan.

FARK...I feel like I'm channeling Cartman.
/No, my pot pie
//well, I haven't fed you in 3 days so you can have a taste.
///Damn You Ayn Rand!!!

////Libertarian. Take care of your kids. fark you. If you can't take care of them they are now my assets. I shall grow them for you.
2012-12-14 08:09:04 PM  
2 votes:

big pig peaches: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow

If you gave a meals like these to American kids they would throw it in the trash and hit the vending machines.


I seriously doubt it. I imagine there would be a select few who would opt out of the fee, non-overly processed, nutrient rich meal. These are probably the kids that show up with 3 lunchables, 2 sodas and a cup of pudding (and an apple that goes in the trash or to a friend). That is a whole different ball game as these children aren't malnourished. They are just a product of a family with poor life/health practices.

Stick a truly hungry child (or anyone for that matter) in front of any of those other countries school lunches and watch them eat. They might start slow but then you'll see their body relax. Probably get a real big smile a bite or two in when they finally slow down enough to chew and enjoy flavor. You can almost see the warmth of the food spread throughout them, physically and mentally.

I used to ride my bike around at night with a flashlight, panning it back and forth near parking meters to find the glint of change so I could buy a snickers. Rice and ramen (sometimes with a bit of corn) is not nourishing. Especially when you are a growing child. To this day I can't stand sweets. My body was fiending so bad for something other than carb/starch I would gobble that snickers like a 2$ whore slamming a john's bag of coke.

I'm sure most of the kids ya'll are bashing are in similar or much worse situations than I was.

/Favorite part of going to Burger King after school was eating the pickles and tomatoes that friends didn't want on their burgers.
2012-12-14 07:34:04 PM  
2 votes:
The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.
2012-12-14 07:24:57 PM  
2 votes:
Wither or whether the child was eligible is immaterial.

Educate and Feed American children now, please.

Whatever the cost.

I mean it.

Thank you for reading.

*)
2012-12-14 07:19:31 PM  
2 votes:
we grew up poor but our parents despite all their faults always kept us fed and loved us even if they didn't always do it the best way possible. It always seemed every one else around us had more, but then I grew up and looked around and realized we actually had it pretty good. I once stopped in a border town between Thailand and Cambodia where the children where shot with pellets when they begged for food. Ive seen mistreated kids right here in North America, we've all seen it and we've seen how the banks of nearly every nation on this planet break our economies and stretch further the divide between the haves and have nots. yet the system calls these people role models and calls a lady feeding a kid from our tax money a thief. shame on any one who calls her a thief or what she did stealing when fats cats of this world are robbing us all blind. what she did was a community service paid for by tax payers dollars. and I promise you that a free lunch for someone less fortunate than ourselves costs our communities a lot less than the price of doing doing nothing. Think about it.
2012-12-14 06:43:26 PM  
2 votes:

Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.


they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup
2012-12-14 06:36:56 PM  
2 votes:

Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have


what if you bend the rules, feed the kid and THEN backdate the paperwork afterwards?

novel concept, right?
2012-12-14 06:30:21 PM  
2 votes:

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

see..that makes you less than human.
2012-12-14 06:28:41 PM  
2 votes:

Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.


For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.
2012-12-14 06:22:26 PM  
2 votes:

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!
2012-12-14 06:19:38 PM  
2 votes:
mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"
2012-12-15 01:54:07 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Breeze: Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: We don't know if she was rehired for the same job or for one that doesn't give her the opportunity to steal. The latter would be justice.

that is trolltastic.

I challenge the idea that she truly stole. The kid, had his paperwork not been screwed up in the first place, would have received free lunch regardless.


Ya, I'm not understanding it either. I also don't understand why they needed the paperwork in the first place? The kid obviously needs help. Just add him to the free lunch program and be done with it. Why all the red tape?
2012-12-15 10:31:45 AM  
1 votes:
It's not like they had to make extra food to feed this kid, I'm sure they throw away more than enough fodd each day to feed him and many others.
2012-12-15 02:35:58 AM  
1 votes:
Good thing to hear that she was rehired. I'm glad to see that enough people spoke up about making sure a kid ate more than cheese sandwiches being more important than the $35 overage. It's clear from the article that the lunch lady couldn't well afford to compensate for the food on her own dime and she did initially try to get the parents to fill out the paperwork even though there was a reported language barrier. Cheese sandwich and milk, I've heard is the standard treatment here as well. I make my kid's lunch myself, so I've never encountered it personally.

Being picked on isn't the only issue here, cheese sandwiches and milk are not food in a balanced meal, it needs more calories, more fruit and veggies and probably more protein. Here's a list of top 10 vitamin deficiencies. Eating only meals of cheese sandwiches and milk theoretically could cause cause #10, #9, #7, #4, and #2 at the very least from this list. That's half the list! I wouldn't be surprised if due to the overall lack of total nutrition a poor kid might get that even the cheese sandwiches and milk diet would still lend towards the rest of the items on the list being potential deficiencies assuming that for #6 that the poor kid also lives in a rougher neighborhood and his parents don't allow him to go outside much,and/or he's a minority who doesn't as readily absorb vitamin D from the sun. There's some Vitamin A and Vitamin D in milk, but is one cheese sandwich and one cup of milk going to provide enough to stave off deficiency? Sure, the official lunch strategy for kids that can't pay will make sure his stomach isn't turning in absolute knots, though I imagine that meal is particularly filling. It's still not a valid meal to consistently feed a child, which the lunch lady recognized.

A one-off situation where a parent missed payment or the child forgot to bring his brown-bagged lunch is not going to cause any harm to be fed the cheese sandwich lunch. The child will probably suffer humiliation, but not lasting harm. Long term use of such a meal given the implication it's one of no more than two low nutrition meals the child gets in a day could theoretically cause harm. A child that might only be eating while at school can't be served this day in and day out just because the proper paperwork isn't filled out. People who think otherwise should double check to make sure they're not Vogons.

I actually wondered if the child could have been hiding the free-lunch paperwork as he'd been indicated to have been on the free-lunch program before. That also theoretically has the same stigma as cheese sandwiches do, both of them say "you're poor." I've been poor, I was on free lunches as a kid more than once, and yes, school meals were often the only meals I got for the day.

Making sure every child in America gets healthy, well balanced, breakfast and lunch would probably do a lot to improve test scores, especially in poor areas. No one who's malnourished is going to
be able to do well in school. Brains need energy and nutrition to learn.
2012-12-15 12:37:50 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: vrax: Yet, this woman did the right thing. I know that hurts some people to think about.

She did and didn't. If she was really interested in feeding that kid long term, she would have told the school. She didn't.


She didn't work for the school. She worked for a contractor hired by the school. It's very likely she didn't know the teachers from the administrators at the school. She might not have even been allowed to talk to them. It's not like she's a valued, salaried employee. She went out of her way to try and get the kid back on the program, but it can take weeks, even months, to be re-instated (think of it like a utility company, they cut you off in a heartbeat but take forever to turn the lights back on). In the meantime, the kid would have gone hungry. Sorry, I'd have done the exact same thing, especially knowing that 40% of the food will be thrown out at the end of the day.
2012-12-14 10:47:20 PM  
1 votes:

Huggermugger: Lsherm: Huggermugger: Yeah, this happens a lot. People are sometimes too embarrassed to apply for charity, because they're afraid that people like Lsherm will point to them publicly and screech out humiliation that they're parasites and moochers.

At any point did I make fun of the kid or his family? No.

Thanks again, liberal fake reality. Emotion trumps everything else.

You've been throwing insults like confetti against anyone who believes in giving charity.

Typical "Christian" who can't see anything through the blood rage of class hatred.


You've been throwing ignorance of the situation coupled with a fake cry of hungry children like an emotional weapon against anyone who disagrees with you like boxed wine at a pool party.

Charity is giving of yourself, not freely giving away other people's money.

Learn the difference. People like you are the reason for the first schism.
2012-12-14 09:45:50 PM  
1 votes:

diaphoresis: Urbn: diaphoresis: buzzcut73: I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.

Ya.. let's not blame the worthless parent who can't be bothered to fill out some simple paperwork...

What? So blame the parent by making the kid suffer? What is wrong with some of you people? Take the paperwork away entirely. We are the richest nation on earth. We can certainly provide lunches for every kid at school.

Are you nuts? Why not just get rid of rules, regulations, structure and just do whatever we feel like it right at the moment? Friggin anarchist...


Funny how conservatives only like rules when they entail making it harder for hungry children to get fed...

/I thought you guys LOVED the idea of getting rid of regulations
2012-12-14 09:32:06 PM  
1 votes:
I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.
2012-12-14 09:26:45 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn:

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.


I really hope this is a troll, because that's just mean spirited and exactly what is wrong with our country (and maybe even humanity to some extent). This whole looking down on people, having to feel superior to people, you don't even know, I see this too much. Someone who cares about the job they perform, do it well, and brighten other people's day, are too far and few between. We need more people like this lunch lady. Less people like the administration and catering company that fired her.
2012-12-14 09:00:53 PM  
1 votes:
At my nieces school so many kids were signed up for free meals they just said "fark it" and all kids get free breakfast and lunch. I think it should be like that anyway.
2012-12-14 08:45:37 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: PsiChick: Lsherm:

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.


And as much as I'm pro feed the child no matter what I have to agree with this. While it is a shame that the system isn't already in place, there have been many systems that are now in place that weren't before. Most of these new systems, let's call them civil rights or suffrage, took minor infractions of the established law to come to fruition.

I think I'm fine with a lunch lady bilking 45 bucks. Hell, I hope she was helping more kids and this is just the tip of the iceburg. Ten, or multiples of ten, kids getting fed off of the public dime. Maybe lunch ladies across the Nation should start supplying free lunch regardless. Throw those biatches (and creepy men ones) in the Klink!

It's a new lunch counter folks. Lets start marching.
2012-12-14 08:45:36 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.


Yeah. It's a pity no one keeps track of how many kids are at a school.
2012-12-14 08:42:37 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.


Maybe seeing the cold, soulless, sadistic posting you made, heartlessly supporting kids going hungry has PISSED ME THE fark OFF!

Yeah, I'm angry right now, I was a little angry at the story, but a helluva lot angrier at your response. I sure as hell hope you're just some farking troll, just out there to get lulz like some election season partisan hack or just being a cut rate version of randomjsa or tenpoundsofcheese, because if you're a real human being thinking these things, then that's a truly sad thing.

I'm angry that people could say the things you've said with a straight, emotionless face. Tell that kid that he can't get enough food because his parents no habla ingles so they can't fill out the form.

I'm angry because there is a Principal out there who thought the same way you do, who chose to get into a field where he'd be around children all day, but have zero compassion or humanity and be an embarrassment to homo sapiens.

You don't have a problem with kids starving, because rules are rules and there is bureaucracy to be followed, the kid can just go hungry in the meantime.

Yeah, the kid could have got a plain cheese sandwich. Two slices of white bread and a sliver of government cheese. You think that's enough food? You think that's going to keep a kid from going hungry? You think that's going to do a damn bit of good, when for a lot of those kids that's the only food they'll get all day? Free hint: for an awful lot of kids on free school lunch, that's the only food they'll get all day.

The woman was a hero, she deserves praise, not firing.
2012-12-14 08:41:39 PM  
1 votes:
Captain Hindsight says yes, the lunch lady could have done things differently. Call me overly emotional, but I don't think I could look an obviously hungry kid in the face and tell him/her that the rules won't allow them to eat.

/has been hungry
//suspects that most (if not all) posters are eating at least three times a day
///really don't like kids much...ha!
2012-12-14 08:34:20 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.


As a general rule of thumb: if your choices are letting a child starve or breaking the rules... Then breaking the rules becomes the morally right action.

I'm actually rather surprised we're actually discussing this, aren't you?
2012-12-14 08:31:12 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.


No you don't. Just subtract it from the DoD.
2012-12-14 08:17:34 PM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: wild9: Damn, that was a sad story. Especially "I don't think any kid should be hungry. I don't. And it's my belief that some of these kids who go to school and get meals, that may be the only meal they eat that day."


When my son was a child I used to volunteer for the USDA's summer lunch program and yes, that was often the case with some of the children who attended.  Two brothers in particular, ages 7 & 5, came to the park every single day for lunch.  Since we sometimes had extra lunches, these two would eat as quickly as they could in the hopes they could get a second lunch since this was the only food they had all day.  Skinny little guys too, who couldn't afford to lose even a couple of pounds and ate like a couple of starving animals.  I always wondered if they went the whole weekend without eating and hoped someone fed them.


I see this all the time at my kids' school. We have a backpack program where students who qualify--they often get free lunches--get backpacks full of food on Fridays to take home. They are donated by local food banks, charities, churches, and they bring the empty backpacks back on Monday and pick them up again on Friday. If they did not, the kids would have not enough to eat or nothing to eat until they got to school again on Monday.

The backpacks are nothing special. They look like anything any other kid would carry. No one knows what they are. Kids can put their books and stuff in them, so if they are opened, it looks likes books and pencils.

When my son's class has a party, I always donate twice what I am asked to so that parents who cannot afford to do not have to worry about their kids not being able to participate. There was a time when I was on the receiving end of that kindness. I really appreciated it. I came early to set up, served the food, and cleaned up. I thought, they paid for the stuff my kid is enjoying, the least I could do is let them enjoy the party and I do the icky work.

She did the right thing. She may have planned to give the money out of her check, or take up donations and money out of her check, but was not given a chance to. A child should never go hungry.
2012-12-14 07:53:11 PM  
1 votes:
I've paid for kids' lunches many times - usually the district will let them run a tab up to $15, then they'll cut them off. No money, no lunch. The free/reduced price lunch forms are available in English and Spanish, but we have kids speaking eleven other first languages in my school alone. The application turnaround time is several days, which families don't necessarily understand.

The district is pushing families to apply online to save money and expedite the process, but unfortunately it just adds another barrier to those who really need the help. (There is certainly a lot of fraud, but I'd consider it a lesser evil than making kids go hungry.)

In their present form, school lunches should be a last resort for families, and by that I mean as an alternative to starvation. I've seen many kids arrive here (from SE Asia in particular) lean, fit and healthy, only to morph into obese and chronically ill kids within two to three years. They lack transportation, no longer have the ability grow and/or harvest their own food, and are bound to school desks thirty-five hours a week. Organized sports cost $, require transportation, and it's often not safe to be outside in the areas where they can afford to live.
2012-12-14 07:44:04 PM  
1 votes:

giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]



School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them


damn that's a good troll.


Best to do it the republican way and not offer a school lunch. The free market will sort out who needs to eat.
2012-12-14 07:36:26 PM  
1 votes:
This is the US of A and if there is one thing I know for sure, the kid should be punished and go hungry for the shortcomings and failings of the system and adults who are supposed to take care of him.
2012-12-14 07:35:38 PM  
1 votes:

revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.


Don't worry, the food will trickle down on them any second now.
2012-12-14 07:34:49 PM  
1 votes:

JohnCarter: Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

Exactly - there are solutions, that were actually in place, that actually seemed to work.


Well, seeing as the kid still didn't have money for lunch the solutions did not seem to work in this case.
2012-12-14 07:34:27 PM  
1 votes:

vrax: Lsherm: special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?

More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.

Oh, fark you! Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.


THE farkING KID GOT FED EITHER WAY YOU STUPID BLEEDING HEART!

She was sneaking him food to keep him from being bullied, but every kid got fed regardless of whether or not they had money. And this kid could have gotten the "cool" lunch if she had followed up with administrators so his parents got him back on the free lunch program.
2012-12-14 07:33:50 PM  
1 votes:
2012-12-14 07:29:53 PM  
1 votes:

spmkk: Lsherm: "Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan."


From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Also -- it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.


This!
2012-12-14 07:21:57 PM  
1 votes:
I'm a little confused. Who does she work for? Chartwell's? The school district?

I didn't know schools outsourced their cafeteria, I guess it makes sense. I would think a cafeteria manager could bury this minor expense, who ratted her out?
2012-12-14 07:19:35 PM  
1 votes:
I'm a lunch lady at a high school and come across this on a weekly basis.So I have the kid{s} help get trays,stock forks etc.right before the bell rigs and voila, they eat a whole meal,not plastic cheese sammich.I'm not sure why they don't sign up for the free lunch paper work,,after offering it in a gentle way,but I won't purse or embarrass them{hopefully}..
2012-12-14 07:18:57 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


In the choice between acting Lawful and acting Good, remember that the Law is malleable.
2012-12-14 07:15:58 PM  
1 votes:

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Balderdash. Just keep farkin that GOP talking point chicken.
2012-12-14 07:15:41 PM  
1 votes:

meat0918: Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?


Umm, because buying bombers is in the constitution and children having food is not. Duh!

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Hurrr... Idiot.
2012-12-14 07:07:52 PM  
1 votes:

ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.


It is if You're a Democrat.
2012-12-14 07:04:38 PM  
1 votes:
I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.
2012-12-14 06:56:00 PM  
1 votes:
Update: Dianne Brame has been rehired by Hudson Elementary following the huge response from this story.
2012-12-14 06:47:53 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


She should have killed him and ground him up to use for Wednesday meatloaf.

/seriously, how can you "Christian" sociopaths so merrily sneer in the faces of hungry children?
2012-12-14 06:43:52 PM  
1 votes:
Just another reason while our school districts/system needs to have its funding restored and a law passed preventing politicians from touching it again.

I applaud this lunch lady she may have broken the rules but she did the right thing. I am glad she got rehired. Now if policy is changed it would be a very good thing.
2012-12-14 06:43:41 PM  
1 votes:
How about you just feed all of the kids all of the time?

Isn't that better than some death-from-above?

Please explicate how my original point is wrong in any way.

I'll be waiting...

*)
2012-12-14 06:40:46 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: "Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan."



From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Also -- it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.
2012-12-14 06:38:47 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


Or to put this in nerdy 3rd ed. D&D terms, she's a NG aligned person working for a bunch of LN's

( at least that's the impression I got...)
2012-12-14 06:37:18 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.

so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

see..that makes you less than human.


Weaver, you know better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
2012-12-14 06:35:56 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.


you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....


and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?
2012-12-14 06:30:21 PM  
1 votes:
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Yes, it was stealing. it was not your property to give away for free, and you did. That being said, Merry Christmas, and i know that someone will hire a person with a big heart such as you have. Charity starts with one nice gesture, and tends to recycle itself.
2012-12-14 06:28:22 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch:

/ if she had gone to her supervisor with the problem and the supervisor comped the meals; they wouldn't have had a problem.


zero tolerance. no mercy, no exceptions. if a kid starves and someone has to be fired to keep the Holy Rules in order then so be it.
2012-12-14 06:23:00 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing.


Well, yeah, it IS stealing if you want to get technical about it.
2012-12-14 05:19:12 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.


I'm surprised they didn't just dump you in a canal in a sack, to be honest.
2012-12-14 05:00:21 PM  
1 votes:
not only that, but she breast-fed him.
 
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