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2012-12-14 06:42:17 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?


Cause the aliens were hotter.
 
2012-12-14 06:42:52 PM  

ProfessorOhki:

Weaver, you know better.


hey, that's the situation we've been presented with - this woman tried following the rules, hit a brick wall and when she could have just let the kid go hungry...she decided the rules could get bent and fed the kid anyways. meanwhile she tried to get him back into the right program...but that takes time. and during that time, the kid wasn't going to get fed.

EVERY system of morality out there says that you should hang the damn rules and feed the hungry (and heal the sick).
 
2012-12-14 06:43:26 PM  

Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.


they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup
 
2012-12-14 06:43:41 PM  
How about you just feed all of the kids all of the time?

Isn't that better than some death-from-above?

Please explicate how my original point is wrong in any way.

I'll be waiting...

*)
 
2012-12-14 06:43:52 PM  
Just another reason while our school districts/system needs to have its funding restored and a law passed preventing politicians from touching it again.

I applaud this lunch lady she may have broken the rules but she did the right thing. I am glad she got rehired. Now if policy is changed it would be a very good thing.
 
2012-12-14 06:45:29 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.

they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup


School officials. Gotta be the least intelligent life forms on our planet. And we put 'em in charge of our kids education.

We are well and truly farked.
 
2012-12-14 06:46:08 PM  

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


you are not serious here are you?
 
2012-12-14 06:47:53 PM  

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


She should have killed him and ground him up to use for Wednesday meatloaf.

/seriously, how can you "Christian" sociopaths so merrily sneer in the faces of hungry children?
 
2012-12-14 06:48:19 PM  

Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?


Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.


Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.
 
2012-12-14 06:49:01 PM  

Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have


Lunch ladies don't run administration from my experience.
 
zez
2012-12-14 06:50:29 PM  
How the fark is anyone living in Webster Groves, Mo, too poor to be able to buy a school lunch?

Typical home in Webster 

thumbs.trulia-cdn.com
 
2012-12-14 06:50:51 PM  
when i want to school my dad gave me extra money so i could buy dessert every day

now i'm big and oh so fat
 
2012-12-14 06:51:21 PM  

Weaver95: iheartscotch:

/ if she had gone to her supervisor with the problem and the supervisor comped the meals; they wouldn't have had a problem.

zero tolerance. no mercy, no exceptions. if a kid starves and someone has to be fired to keep the Holy Rules in order then so be it.


I see....

The supervisor was technically correct; the best kind of correct.

/ The whole situation could have been avoided if the worker had cleared her decision with her supervisor.
 
2012-12-14 06:53:25 PM  

School lunch in Finland...
School lunch in Sweden...


This would never happen in the US. Not the food, mind you, but actual steel knives.
 
2012-12-14 06:54:28 PM  

spentshells: Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.

you are not serious here are you?


A little bit. He was previously part of the free lunch program. She tried to get his parents to join again, and they didn't. Then she went out of her way to feed just that one kid because he wasn't part of the program. The smart solution was getting him back on the free lunch program.
 
2012-12-14 06:54:31 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Quantum Apostrophe: ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?

Cause the aliens were hotter.


True, true dat...
 
2012-12-14 06:56:00 PM  
Update: Dianne Brame has been rehired by Hudson Elementary following the huge response from this story.
 
2012-12-14 06:56:34 PM  

thamike: "Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"


You didn't feed that

/BOOTSTRAPS!
 
2012-12-14 06:58:18 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-14 06:58:29 PM  

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them
 
2012-12-14 07:00:35 PM  
This story highlights an incredible failure on the part of the school. It is their responsibility to know what is going on with the kids under their supervision.

There isn't enough information to point to the lunch lady or some other official and say where the slip-up occurred, but there was a slip-up. Giving the kid papers for his parents to fill out and then not following up is unacceptable. The obvious goal is to get the kid back on the food program.

I would be very surprised to learn that the lunch lady was supposed to be responsible for administering the free food program or following up with the parents; I imagine there is a school counselor or someone in the administration that has that responsibility. Obviously there was a lack of communication, but honestly, firing the lunch lady is ludicrous.
 
2012-12-14 07:02:17 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.

they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup


Not that the "rich kid" school lunches are that much better, but if the best meal of a kid's day consists of a cheese sandwich and milk, day after day, don't you think that kid would be malnourished? And that's not even getting into the cheese sandwich stigma. The woman was trying to protect the child. She could have gone about it in a less risky way, but geez.

/The standard practice needs improvement.
 
2012-12-14 07:02:51 PM  

giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them


Seriously?

Look, American schools need work, and I have the right ideas about that:

1) Experiential learning.

2) Multi-modal learning opportunities.

3) The "classroom" is a thing of the past.

4) One-room schoolhouse writ large.

5) De-test.

*)
 
2012-12-14 07:04:38 PM  
I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.
 
2012-12-14 07:05:25 PM  
My question is this: Why are we punishing her when it was the children who were stealing those meals?
 
2012-12-14 07:07:48 PM  
I don't mind stealing bread
from the mouths of the decadent...

I'm going hungreeeeeeee
 
2012-12-14 07:07:52 PM  

ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.


It is if You're a Democrat.
 
2012-12-14 07:10:55 PM  

Weaver95: crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!


That was almost rational satire, weave.

/Stoppitnowyerfreakinmeout.
 
2012-12-14 07:11:18 PM  

Lsherm: Diogenes: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

I'm surprised they didn't just dump you in a canal in a sack, to be honest.

I was just drunk, and I was polite. I also had $300 in cash in my wallet which disappeared along with the charges Monday morning.


I spent a night in jail trashed. My money was there in the morning and I was given a ham sandwich.
 
2012-12-14 07:12:17 PM  

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


If I were not an atheist, allowing children to starve for any reason would be a primary sin, regardless of politics.
 
2012-12-14 07:13:55 PM  
I wonder how much Chartwell charges the government for a default cheese sandwich that's probably made from government cheese.
 
2012-12-14 07:14:45 PM  

Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.


You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?
 
2012-12-14 07:14:50 PM  

meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.



I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.
 
2012-12-14 07:15:41 PM  

meat0918: Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?


Umm, because buying bombers is in the constitution and children having food is not. Duh!

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Hurrr... Idiot.
 
2012-12-14 07:15:58 PM  

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Balderdash. Just keep farkin that GOP talking point chicken.
 
2012-12-14 07:16:13 PM  

Indubitably: giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them

Seriously?

Look, American schools need work, and I have the right ideas about that:

1) Experiential learning.

2) Multi-modal learning opportunities.

3) The "classroom" is a thing of the past.

4) One-room schoolhouse writ large.

5) De-test.

*)


P.S. You're welcome.

P.P.S. Please ask me more about this, and I will happily explicate, for a price. Man's gotta live...
 
2012-12-14 07:17:53 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


Legal and necessary, Darlin'.

*)

*bow*
 
2012-12-14 07:18:49 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


I sure as fark hope that there isn't any place where it's illegal to give free lunches to children. That would be some pretty farked up legislation.
 
2012-12-14 07:18:57 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


In the choice between acting Lawful and acting Good, remember that the Law is malleable.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:15 PM  
Kid got to eat, lady got her job back, hopefully parents get help...sometimes the "right" solutions are not the best way to handle a problem. My 1st grade son was coming home everyday for a few weeks saying he only ate half his snack because he shared it with another kid that never has a snack. Regardless of the reason, it's not kids fault, so I just started packing double the snacks since I can easily afford it.

Glad to see my kid has empathy - sure he got it from his mom.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:28 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


The school in Eugene my kids go to have free breakfast but not lunch. They tell me they eat the breakfast nearly everyday(which the principal has said that since they started that they have less problems with discipline in the morning), and my wife and I give them breakfast as well before they head to school. Growing boys are bottomless pits though.

They also complained that what the school served for lunch was "mostly junk food", which is kinda a bummer since I know they are working very hard to improve things.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:31 PM  
we grew up poor but our parents despite all their faults always kept us fed and loved us even if they didn't always do it the best way possible. It always seemed every one else around us had more, but then I grew up and looked around and realized we actually had it pretty good. I once stopped in a border town between Thailand and Cambodia where the children where shot with pellets when they begged for food. Ive seen mistreated kids right here in North America, we've all seen it and we've seen how the banks of nearly every nation on this planet break our economies and stretch further the divide between the haves and have nots. yet the system calls these people role models and calls a lady feeding a kid from our tax money a thief. shame on any one who calls her a thief or what she did stealing when fats cats of this world are robbing us all blind. what she did was a community service paid for by tax payers dollars. and I promise you that a free lunch for someone less fortunate than ourselves costs our communities a lot less than the price of doing doing nothing. Think about it.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:35 PM  
I'm a lunch lady at a high school and come across this on a weekly basis.So I have the kid{s} help get trays,stock forks etc.right before the bell rigs and voila, they eat a whole meal,not plastic cheese sammich.I'm not sure why they don't sign up for the free lunch paper work,,after offering it in a gentle way,but I won't purse or embarrass them{hopefully}..
 
2012-12-14 07:19:54 PM  

zez: How the fark is anyone living in Webster Groves, Mo, too poor to be able to buy a school lunch?

Typical home in Webster


Is this a serious question?
 
2012-12-14 07:21:18 PM  

meat0918: Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.

The school in Eugene my kids go to have free breakfast but not lunch. They tell me they eat the breakfast nearly everyday(which the principal has said that since they started that they have less problems with discipline in the morning), and my wife and I give them breakfast as well before they head to school. Growing boys are bottomless pits though.

They also complained that what the school served for lunch was "mostly junk food", which is kinda a bummer since I know they are working very hard to improve things.


I should clarify it's not my kids with discipline problems, just that overall since they started it a few years ago that they have less problems now that all the kids are nearly guaranteed to have something in their bellies before the school day officially begins.
 
2012-12-14 07:21:20 PM  
I want to know what was going on at home.
Free and reduced lunches are not hard to get.

When my son was in first grade the lunch lady called herself helping, being charitable, but what she was really doing was feeding a clever child a second breakfast of stuff, like Honey Buns, that he liked as opposed to the real food I was serving at home.
 
2012-12-14 07:21:36 PM  

buckler: johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.

If I were not an atheist, allowing children to starve for any reason would be a primary sin, regardless of politics.


Do you believe that the child in question was starving?
 
2012-12-14 07:21:57 PM  
I'm a little confused. Who does she work for? Chartwell's? The school district?

I didn't know schools outsourced their cafeteria, I guess it makes sense. I would think a cafeteria manager could bury this minor expense, who ratted her out?
 
2012-12-14 07:23:31 PM  
I've gone hungry at times as both a child and as an adult. I recognize this woman for her compassion and caring heart. However, it is still theft. I am very glad that she got her job back and about the only suggestion I would have is since she is also a person on hard times, perhaps the school should've just reprimanded her and then given her the option to do some volunteer work (tutoring after school, something like that) to help redress the petty theft. I am not a fan of theft, nor am I a fan of hunger, but I understand why she did what she did. Although, as hungry as I have been in times past, I never resorted to theft myself, but it's funny what hunger does to a person. I still have vivid memories and feelings from about 2 years ago being so miserably hungry (I'd used up my "emergency boxes" at the local food bank) that one day I saw a pile of apples at my grocery store where I'd gone to buy rice and beans and toilet paper with $10 in my pocket. I obsessed over the apples and thought, maybe no one would notice if I took just one. I didn't, but hunger does odd things to adults, let alone children. I cannot even begin to ponder what this child was going through and am glad to hear that the lunchlady gets to go back to work and the kid can be fed each day.
 
2012-12-14 07:23:56 PM  
So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.
 
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