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2012-12-14 05:00:21 PM
not only that, but she breast-fed him.
 
2012-12-14 05:03:48 PM
She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better
 
2012-12-14 05:08:37 PM
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/ sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe...
 
2012-12-14 05:14:19 PM
Sad state of affairs we find ourselves in when I read that as "feeling."
 
2012-12-14 05:14:38 PM
But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."


Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.
 
2012-12-14 05:17:35 PM

scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better


Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.
 
2012-12-14 05:19:12 PM

Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.


I'm surprised they didn't just dump you in a canal in a sack, to be honest.
 
2012-12-14 05:48:52 PM

Diogenes: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

I'm surprised they didn't just dump you in a canal in a sack, to be honest.


I was just drunk, and I was polite. I also had $300 in cash in my wallet which disappeared along with the charges Monday morning.
 
2012-12-14 06:14:25 PM
My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.
 
2012-12-14 06:15:36 PM

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


Exactly - there are solutions, that were actually in place, that actually seemed to work.
 
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM
I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.
 
2012-12-14 06:17:35 PM
Damn, that was a sad story. Especially "I don't think any kid should be hungry. I don't. And it's my belief that some of these kids who go to school and get meals, that may be the only meal they eat that day."
 
2012-12-14 06:19:38 PM
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"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"
 
2012-12-14 06:19:55 PM

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


The right thing was getting that kid onto the free meal plan.
 
2012-12-14 06:22:26 PM

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!
 
2012-12-14 06:23:00 PM

Lsherm: I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing.


Well, yeah, it IS stealing if you want to get technical about it.
 
2012-12-14 06:23:18 PM

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


Oh good on you fellow individual! I am glad to hear it turned out well.
 
2012-12-14 06:23:54 PM
Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.
 
2012-12-14 06:24:36 PM

ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.


ok, but you aren't human then anymore either so...there's that.
 
2012-12-14 06:25:22 PM
There's that good old Liberal Compassion! The NEA should kick the kid out of school, and jail his parent's until restitution is made.
 
2012-12-14 06:25:56 PM

Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.
 
2012-12-14 06:26:28 PM
You're fired. Oh, and by the way, Merry Christmas.
 
2012-12-14 06:26:33 PM
Are there no prisons? And the workhouses, are they closed?

/ if she had gone to her supervisor with the problem and the supervisor comped the meals; they wouldn't have had a problem.
 
2012-12-14 06:26:54 PM

Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.


Anyone who's been locked up in the OPP (Orleans Parish Prison) would call it just that.

At least they have an ATM in the booking room
 
2012-12-14 06:27:19 PM
Seems like a better solution would be to take the cost of the kid's lunch out of her wages - kid gets fed, school gets its money, everyone's happy


/of course the optimal solution would have been to provide some bilingual assistance to the parent so that the kid could stay on the free lunch program
 
2012-12-14 06:27:57 PM

Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.


Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

i.imgur.com

School lunch in Sweden...

i.imgur.com

School lunch in South Korea...

i.imgur.com

School lunch in the USA... 

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-14 06:28:22 PM

iheartscotch:

/ if she had gone to her supervisor with the problem and the supervisor comped the meals; they wouldn't have had a problem.


zero tolerance. no mercy, no exceptions. if a kid starves and someone has to be fired to keep the Holy Rules in order then so be it.
 
2012-12-14 06:28:38 PM

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


CHARTWELLS, eh? I work at a university in South Florida where Chartwell's runs the food service. I swear they throw out more than they serve. I have personally seen situations where folks asked for the leftovers after an event and were told "no" and then the food was simply thrown away. Charwell's is scum.

But at least they hired the lunch-lady back again in this case.
 
2012-12-14 06:28:41 PM

Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.


For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.
 
2012-12-14 06:29:20 PM
I've always thought school lunches should be provided for everyone. I have no idea how much it would cost but as stated before it might be the only meal they have all day. A student that doesn't have an empty stomach will be able to concentrate better. School performance will most likely increase and that benefits everyone.
 
2012-12-14 06:30:21 PM
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Yes, it was stealing. it was not your property to give away for free, and you did. That being said, Merry Christmas, and i know that someone will hire a person with a big heart such as you have. Charity starts with one nice gesture, and tends to recycle itself.
 
2012-12-14 06:30:21 PM

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

see..that makes you less than human.
 
2012-12-14 06:32:15 PM

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


I love apricots!
 
2012-12-14 06:32:49 PM

"She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money."


I have some ice cream, I have some ice creeeeeeeeam. And you didn't get none because you are on the welfare. And your father is an alcoholic. Wanna lick?

/Psyche! I have some ice cream....


content.clearchannel.com

 
2012-12-14 06:33:01 PM

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.


Good for her. That is what she should have done when the system you seem to worship results in a hungry kid not getting fed.


She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.


Yeah, sorry kid, you'll just have to go hungry until the district can come up with an interpreter to let your parents know they need to fill out these here forms in order for you to eat. In the mean time, tough shiat.


She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


She was right, period. Realistically, you're a disgrace to the nation. You're a bad person, and should feel bad.
 
2012-12-14 06:33:43 PM

Update: Dianne Brame has been rehired by Hudson Elementary following the huge response from this story.


Now maybe they'll fire the asshole douchebag fark who fired her in the first place. This is what happens when everyfarkingthing gets outsourced. Cut into profits and we'll farking kill you. If the program had been run by the school, we'd have never heard about it and none of this wouldn't have happened.
 
2012-12-14 06:33:50 PM

Weaver95: Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!


Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.
 
2012-12-14 06:34:58 PM
See?
 
2012-12-14 06:35:33 PM

Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?


WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?


/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have
 
2012-12-14 06:35:40 PM

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


good on you.

I dont have any kids, well, none that I know of at least hardyhar.. I would love to do the same, but we unfortunatly don't hear about such things until it comes to a situation such as this.

no child should ever go hungry, ever... for whatever reason.. yes, there are things in place for such things free lunch programs and all such stuff. but it sometimes come down to qualify for the program minimum wage requirements must be met. and all of a sudden you are making just enough to barely survive, but you make too much to qualify for such programs.
or, there maybe parant who are just lazy pieces of shiat that put their own shiat in front of their kids and don't even bother. .

I would be gladly sponsor a kid that needs it but who's family income is on that cusp.. of earning enough to survive, but not enough to live.

if its a matter of bad desisions on the parents side. the kid should not have to bare the results of that. the kid is an innocent.
 
2012-12-14 06:35:56 PM

Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.


you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....


and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?
 
2012-12-14 06:36:00 PM

wild9: Damn, that was a sad story. Especially "I don't think any kid should be hungry. I don't. And it's my belief that some of these kids who go to school and get meals, that may be the only meal they eat that day."



When my son was a child I used to volunteer for the USDA's summer lunch program and yes, that was often the case with some of the children who attended.  Two brothers in particular, ages 7 & 5, came to the park every single day for lunch.  Since we sometimes had extra lunches, these two would eat as quickly as they could in the hopes they could get a second lunch since this was the only food they had all day.  Skinny little guys too, who couldn't afford to lose even a couple of pounds and ate like a couple of starving animals.  I always wondered if they went the whole weekend without eating and hoped someone fed them. 
 
2012-12-14 06:36:07 PM
It baffles me that we, the human race, have the energy and resources to feed everyone Star Trek-style but refuse to do so because we cling to a 19th century model of scarcity and work. Yet many people desperately embrace the spaceship part while ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?
 
2012-12-14 06:36:56 PM

Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have


what if you bend the rules, feed the kid and THEN backdate the paperwork afterwards?

novel concept, right?
 
2012-12-14 06:37:18 PM

Weaver95: Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.

so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

see..that makes you less than human.


Weaver, you know better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
 
2012-12-14 06:37:20 PM
An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.
 
2012-12-14 06:38:47 PM

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


Or to put this in nerdy 3rd ed. D&D terms, she's a NG aligned person working for a bunch of LN's

( at least that's the impression I got...)
 
2012-12-14 06:39:41 PM

Weaver95: Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have

what if you bend the rules, feed the kid and THEN backdate the paperwork afterwards?

novel concept, right?


What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

These, and other questions, will be ignored by sociopaths, control freaks, and bad Americans, everywhere.
 
2012-12-14 06:40:10 PM
The "did I say that? I meant this" headline is a cliche that really, really needs to die. It's right there with the "this...just kidding, that" tripe.

It's not funny. It's not insightful. It's just lazy.
 
2012-12-14 06:40:46 PM

Lsherm: "Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan."



From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Also -- it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.
 
2012-12-14 06:42:17 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?


Cause the aliens were hotter.
 
2012-12-14 06:42:52 PM

ProfessorOhki:

Weaver, you know better.


hey, that's the situation we've been presented with - this woman tried following the rules, hit a brick wall and when she could have just let the kid go hungry...she decided the rules could get bent and fed the kid anyways. meanwhile she tried to get him back into the right program...but that takes time. and during that time, the kid wasn't going to get fed.

EVERY system of morality out there says that you should hang the damn rules and feed the hungry (and heal the sick).
 
2012-12-14 06:43:26 PM

Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.


they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup
 
2012-12-14 06:43:41 PM
How about you just feed all of the kids all of the time?

Isn't that better than some death-from-above?

Please explicate how my original point is wrong in any way.

I'll be waiting...

*)
 
2012-12-14 06:43:52 PM
Just another reason while our school districts/system needs to have its funding restored and a law passed preventing politicians from touching it again.

I applaud this lunch lady she may have broken the rules but she did the right thing. I am glad she got rehired. Now if policy is changed it would be a very good thing.
 
2012-12-14 06:45:29 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.

they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup


School officials. Gotta be the least intelligent life forms on our planet. And we put 'em in charge of our kids education.

We are well and truly farked.
 
2012-12-14 06:46:08 PM

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


you are not serious here are you?
 
2012-12-14 06:47:53 PM

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


She should have killed him and ground him up to use for Wednesday meatloaf.

/seriously, how can you "Christian" sociopaths so merrily sneer in the faces of hungry children?
 
2012-12-14 06:48:19 PM

Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?


Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.


Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.
 
2012-12-14 06:49:01 PM

Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have


Lunch ladies don't run administration from my experience.
 
zez
2012-12-14 06:50:29 PM
How the fark is anyone living in Webster Groves, Mo, too poor to be able to buy a school lunch?

Typical home in Webster 

thumbs.trulia-cdn.com
 
2012-12-14 06:50:51 PM
when i want to school my dad gave me extra money so i could buy dessert every day

now i'm big and oh so fat
 
2012-12-14 06:51:21 PM

Weaver95: iheartscotch:

/ if she had gone to her supervisor with the problem and the supervisor comped the meals; they wouldn't have had a problem.

zero tolerance. no mercy, no exceptions. if a kid starves and someone has to be fired to keep the Holy Rules in order then so be it.


I see....

The supervisor was technically correct; the best kind of correct.

/ The whole situation could have been avoided if the worker had cleared her decision with her supervisor.
 
2012-12-14 06:53:25 PM

School lunch in Finland...
School lunch in Sweden...


This would never happen in the US. Not the food, mind you, but actual steel knives.
 
2012-12-14 06:54:28 PM

spentshells: Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.

you are not serious here are you?


A little bit. He was previously part of the free lunch program. She tried to get his parents to join again, and they didn't. Then she went out of her way to feed just that one kid because he wasn't part of the program. The smart solution was getting him back on the free lunch program.
 
2012-12-14 06:54:31 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Quantum Apostrophe: ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?

Cause the aliens were hotter.


True, true dat...
 
2012-12-14 06:56:00 PM
Update: Dianne Brame has been rehired by Hudson Elementary following the huge response from this story.
 
2012-12-14 06:56:34 PM

thamike: "Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"


You didn't feed that

/BOOTSTRAPS!
 
2012-12-14 06:58:18 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-14 06:58:29 PM

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]



School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them
 
2012-12-14 07:00:35 PM
This story highlights an incredible failure on the part of the school. It is their responsibility to know what is going on with the kids under their supervision.

There isn't enough information to point to the lunch lady or some other official and say where the slip-up occurred, but there was a slip-up. Giving the kid papers for his parents to fill out and then not following up is unacceptable. The obvious goal is to get the kid back on the food program.

I would be very surprised to learn that the lunch lady was supposed to be responsible for administering the free food program or following up with the parents; I imagine there is a school counselor or someone in the administration that has that responsibility. Obviously there was a lack of communication, but honestly, firing the lunch lady is ludicrous.
 
2012-12-14 07:02:17 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.

they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup


Not that the "rich kid" school lunches are that much better, but if the best meal of a kid's day consists of a cheese sandwich and milk, day after day, don't you think that kid would be malnourished? And that's not even getting into the cheese sandwich stigma. The woman was trying to protect the child. She could have gone about it in a less risky way, but geez.

/The standard practice needs improvement.
 
2012-12-14 07:02:51 PM

giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]



School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them


Seriously?

Look, American schools need work, and I have the right ideas about that:

1) Experiential learning.

2) Multi-modal learning opportunities.

3) The "classroom" is a thing of the past.

4) One-room schoolhouse writ large.

5) De-test.

*)
 
2012-12-14 07:04:38 PM
I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.
 
2012-12-14 07:05:25 PM
My question is this: Why are we punishing her when it was the children who were stealing those meals?
 
2012-12-14 07:07:48 PM
I don't mind stealing bread
from the mouths of the decadent...

I'm going hungreeeeeeee
 
2012-12-14 07:07:52 PM

ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.


It is if You're a Democrat.
 
2012-12-14 07:10:55 PM

Weaver95: crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!


That was almost rational satire, weave.

/Stoppitnowyerfreakinmeout.
 
2012-12-14 07:11:18 PM

Lsherm: Diogenes: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

I'm surprised they didn't just dump you in a canal in a sack, to be honest.

I was just drunk, and I was polite. I also had $300 in cash in my wallet which disappeared along with the charges Monday morning.


I spent a night in jail trashed. My money was there in the morning and I was given a ham sandwich.
 
2012-12-14 07:12:17 PM

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


If I were not an atheist, allowing children to starve for any reason would be a primary sin, regardless of politics.
 
2012-12-14 07:13:55 PM
I wonder how much Chartwell charges the government for a default cheese sandwich that's probably made from government cheese.
 
2012-12-14 07:14:45 PM

Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.


You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?
 
2012-12-14 07:14:50 PM

meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.



I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome. 
 
2012-12-14 07:15:41 PM

meat0918: Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?


Umm, because buying bombers is in the constitution and children having food is not. Duh!

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Hurrr... Idiot.
 
2012-12-14 07:15:58 PM

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Balderdash. Just keep farkin that GOP talking point chicken.
 
2012-12-14 07:16:13 PM

Indubitably: giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]



School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them

Seriously?

Look, American schools need work, and I have the right ideas about that:

1) Experiential learning.

2) Multi-modal learning opportunities.

3) The "classroom" is a thing of the past.

4) One-room schoolhouse writ large.

5) De-test.

*)


P.S. You're welcome.

P.P.S. Please ask me more about this, and I will happily explicate, for a price. Man's gotta live...
 
2012-12-14 07:17:53 PM

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


Legal and necessary, Darlin'.

*)

*bow*
 
2012-12-14 07:18:49 PM

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


I sure as fark hope that there isn't any place where it's illegal to give free lunches to children. That would be some pretty farked up legislation.
 
2012-12-14 07:18:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


In the choice between acting Lawful and acting Good, remember that the Law is malleable.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:15 PM
Kid got to eat, lady got her job back, hopefully parents get help...sometimes the "right" solutions are not the best way to handle a problem. My 1st grade son was coming home everyday for a few weeks saying he only ate half his snack because he shared it with another kid that never has a snack. Regardless of the reason, it's not kids fault, so I just started packing double the snacks since I can easily afford it.

Glad to see my kid has empathy - sure he got it from his mom.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:28 PM

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


The school in Eugene my kids go to have free breakfast but not lunch. They tell me they eat the breakfast nearly everyday(which the principal has said that since they started that they have less problems with discipline in the morning), and my wife and I give them breakfast as well before they head to school. Growing boys are bottomless pits though.

They also complained that what the school served for lunch was "mostly junk food", which is kinda a bummer since I know they are working very hard to improve things.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:31 PM
we grew up poor but our parents despite all their faults always kept us fed and loved us even if they didn't always do it the best way possible. It always seemed every one else around us had more, but then I grew up and looked around and realized we actually had it pretty good. I once stopped in a border town between Thailand and Cambodia where the children where shot with pellets when they begged for food. Ive seen mistreated kids right here in North America, we've all seen it and we've seen how the banks of nearly every nation on this planet break our economies and stretch further the divide between the haves and have nots. yet the system calls these people role models and calls a lady feeding a kid from our tax money a thief. shame on any one who calls her a thief or what she did stealing when fats cats of this world are robbing us all blind. what she did was a community service paid for by tax payers dollars. and I promise you that a free lunch for someone less fortunate than ourselves costs our communities a lot less than the price of doing doing nothing. Think about it.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:35 PM
I'm a lunch lady at a high school and come across this on a weekly basis.So I have the kid{s} help get trays,stock forks etc.right before the bell rigs and voila, they eat a whole meal,not plastic cheese sammich.I'm not sure why they don't sign up for the free lunch paper work,,after offering it in a gentle way,but I won't purse or embarrass them{hopefully}..
 
2012-12-14 07:19:54 PM

zez: How the fark is anyone living in Webster Groves, Mo, too poor to be able to buy a school lunch?

Typical home in Webster 


Is this a serious question?
 
2012-12-14 07:21:18 PM

meat0918: Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.

The school in Eugene my kids go to have free breakfast but not lunch. They tell me they eat the breakfast nearly everyday(which the principal has said that since they started that they have less problems with discipline in the morning), and my wife and I give them breakfast as well before they head to school. Growing boys are bottomless pits though.

They also complained that what the school served for lunch was "mostly junk food", which is kinda a bummer since I know they are working very hard to improve things.


I should clarify it's not my kids with discipline problems, just that overall since they started it a few years ago that they have less problems now that all the kids are nearly guaranteed to have something in their bellies before the school day officially begins.
 
2012-12-14 07:21:20 PM
I want to know what was going on at home.
Free and reduced lunches are not hard to get.

When my son was in first grade the lunch lady called herself helping, being charitable, but what she was really doing was feeding a clever child a second breakfast of stuff, like Honey Buns, that he liked as opposed to the real food I was serving at home.
 
2012-12-14 07:21:36 PM

buckler: johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.

If I were not an atheist, allowing children to starve for any reason would be a primary sin, regardless of politics.


Do you believe that the child in question was starving?
 
2012-12-14 07:21:57 PM
I'm a little confused. Who does she work for? Chartwell's? The school district?

I didn't know schools outsourced their cafeteria, I guess it makes sense. I would think a cafeteria manager could bury this minor expense, who ratted her out?
 
2012-12-14 07:23:31 PM
I've gone hungry at times as both a child and as an adult. I recognize this woman for her compassion and caring heart. However, it is still theft. I am very glad that she got her job back and about the only suggestion I would have is since she is also a person on hard times, perhaps the school should've just reprimanded her and then given her the option to do some volunteer work (tutoring after school, something like that) to help redress the petty theft. I am not a fan of theft, nor am I a fan of hunger, but I understand why she did what she did. Although, as hungry as I have been in times past, I never resorted to theft myself, but it's funny what hunger does to a person. I still have vivid memories and feelings from about 2 years ago being so miserably hungry (I'd used up my "emergency boxes" at the local food bank) that one day I saw a pile of apples at my grocery store where I'd gone to buy rice and beans and toilet paper with $10 in my pocket. I obsessed over the apples and thought, maybe no one would notice if I took just one. I didn't, but hunger does odd things to adults, let alone children. I cannot even begin to ponder what this child was going through and am glad to hear that the lunchlady gets to go back to work and the kid can be fed each day.
 
2012-12-14 07:23:56 PM
So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.
 
2012-12-14 07:24:57 PM
Wither or whether the child was eligible is immaterial.

Educate and Feed American children now, please.

Whatever the cost.

I mean it.

Thank you for reading.

*)
 
2012-12-14 07:26:33 PM
Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.
 
2012-12-14 07:27:32 PM

special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?


More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.
 
2012-12-14 07:28:04 PM
I worked at a school once, and occasionally ran a POS terminal on busy days, since I set up and maintained the terminals and knew them as well as anyone.

I used to do this for some kids, though I would just ring it as a cash sale and pay out of pocket so the register balanced.
 
2012-12-14 07:28:14 PM

blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

Exactly?

 
2012-12-14 07:28:18 PM

Ramit Bawdeep: So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.


i45.tinypic.com/10
 
2012-12-14 07:28:26 PM

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...



School lunch in Sweden...



School lunch in South Korea...



School lunch in the USA... 


If you gave a meals like these to American kids they would throw it in the trash and hit the vending machines.
 
2012-12-14 07:29:21 PM
This is why the only people I ever help in any way outside of my family are people who will never see my face more than once (namely, the one time I help them) and will never know my name. No good deed ever goes unpunished.

/I know this isn't the thread about The Onion's coverage about the shooting, but just.... f*ck everything
 
2012-12-14 07:29:53 PM

spmkk: Lsherm: "Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan."


From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Also -- it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.


This!
 
2012-12-14 07:30:09 PM

Lsherm: special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?

More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.


Oh, fark you! Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.
 
2012-12-14 07:30:27 PM

Ramit Bawdeep: So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.


you know that Jesus was a commie, right?
 
2012-12-14 07:32:00 PM

Rent Party: Yeah, sorry kid, you'll just have to go hungry until the district can come up with an interpreter to let your parents know they need to fill out these here forms in order for you to eat. In the mean time, tough shiat.


Ahem:

She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money. "The kids would ridicule and tell them, ah you don't have any money, that's why you have to eat cheese sandwiches every day," Brame says.

Rent Party: Realistically, you're a disgrace to the nation. You're a bad person, and should feel bad.


Realistically, you're an illiterate idiot. The kid didn't go hungry either way, and you're wrong. How's it feel?
 
2012-12-14 07:32:00 PM

dogsmycopilot: I want to know what was going on at home.
Free and reduced lunches are not hard to get.

When my son was in first grade the lunch lady called herself helping, being charitable, but what she was really doing was feeding a clever child a second breakfast of stuff, like Honey Buns, that he liked as opposed to the real food I was serving at home.


So... You're syaing this kid may have been jetting home for lunch and then coming back and plying the idiotic lunchb*tch for damn seconds? WTF? What a damn manipulative hog. That's what communism teaches you: look out for #1; f*ck everybody else (twice).
 
2012-12-14 07:32:37 PM

murryantoinette: we grew up poor but our parents despite all their faults always kept us fed and loved us even if they didn't always do it the best way possible. It always seemed every one else around us had more, but then I grew up and looked around and realized we actually had it pretty good. I once stopped in a border town between Thailand and Cambodia where the children where shot with pellets when they begged for food. Ive seen mistreated kids right here in North America, we've all seen it and we've seen how the banks of nearly every nation on this planet break our economies and stretch further the divide between the haves and have nots. yet the system calls these people role models and calls a lady feeding a kid from our tax money a thief. shame on any one who calls her a thief or what she did stealing when fats cats of this world are robbing us all blind. what she did was a community service paid for by tax payers dollars. and I promise you that a free lunch for someone less fortunate than ourselves costs our communities a lot less than the price of doing doing nothing. Think about it.


There are (lots of) people here in America who love the idea of poor children starving so much that I'm convinced they masturbate at the thought of it.

/many of them are "Christian"
//they pay lip-service to getting rid of government charity, but then they don't want to replace it with anything else
///except maybe CCA debtors' prisons
 
2012-12-14 07:32:58 PM

Snapper Carr: Seems like a better solution would be to take the cost of the kid's lunch out of her wages - kid gets fed, school gets its money, everyone's happy


/of course the optimal solution would have been to provide some bilingual assistance to the parent so that the kid could stay on the free lunch program


No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?
 
2012-12-14 07:33:50 PM
 
2012-12-14 07:34:04 PM
The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.
 
2012-12-14 07:34:16 PM
FTFA:

"I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.

"I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid


If the paperwork isn't returned and the kid is nixed from program, there isn't a protocol to kick this to admin? Same with the account limit; she was keeping records, who (if anyone) reviewed maxed-out accounts? Admin. doesn't want to know how many of their students require this service and are no longer eligible owing to nonpayment? Indications are this is allowed to pass into the realm of a private sector solution, so district can wash their hands of it. The Chartwell's drone that did the firing should be beaten with nylons that have a couple pounds of sand knotted into the toes - Could have worked this situation into good PR (raise worker's pay - feed the farking kid - `we care!', etc...). It's not like Chartwell's (CompassUSA/Compass Group PLC) doesn't get a good deal on donated commodities from the USDA. Having the `lunch lady' take the fall for an public/private `one size fits all' partnership isn't very smart on any level.
 
2012-12-14 07:34:27 PM

vrax: Lsherm: special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?

More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.

Oh, fark you! Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.


THE farkING KID GOT FED EITHER WAY YOU STUPID BLEEDING HEART!

She was sneaking him food to keep him from being bullied, but every kid got fed regardless of whether or not they had money. And this kid could have gotten the "cool" lunch if she had followed up with administrators so his parents got him back on the free lunch program.
 
2012-12-14 07:34:49 PM

JohnCarter: Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

Exactly - there are solutions, that were actually in place, that actually seemed to work.


Well, seeing as the kid still didn't have money for lunch the solutions did not seem to work in this case.
 
2012-12-14 07:35:38 PM

revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.


Don't worry, the food will trickle down on them any second now.
 
2012-12-14 07:35:51 PM

blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.


Peanut butter? In public schools? Is that even still allowed anywhere?
 
2012-12-14 07:36:26 PM
This is the US of A and if there is one thing I know for sure, the kid should be punished and go hungry for the shortcomings and failings of the system and adults who are supposed to take care of him.
 
2012-12-14 07:36:30 PM

Lsherm:

THE farkING KID GOT FED EITHER WAY YOU STUPID BLEEDING HEART!

She was sneaking him food to keep him from being bullied, but every kid got fed regardless of whether or not they had money. And this kid could have gotten the "cool" lunch if she had followed up with administrators so his parents got him back on the free lunch program.


so you wanted to force the kid to eat the plastic sandwich of shame and get bullied...? why would you do that? seems kind of cruel to me.
 
2012-12-14 07:37:30 PM

ShannonKW: buckler: johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.

If I were not an atheist, allowing children to starve for any reason would be a primary sin, regardless of politics.

Do you believe that the child in question was starving?


I believe that if he or she were deprived of food when it was available to give, that could constitute the definition if she or he were hungry.
 
2012-12-14 07:37:38 PM
More testicles means more iron.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-14 07:38:36 PM

Lsherm: For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


Erm...the kid couldn't fill out the paperwork, and the parents weren't. I don't know what world you live in, but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

Should she have paid for them? Yes. But firing her isn't the right response either--we can tailor punishment to fit the crime.
 
2012-12-14 07:39:22 PM

Weaver95: Ramit Bawdeep: So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.

you know that Jesus was a commie, right?


Damn skippy. A bleeding heart commie pussy with an Electra complex, so?
 
2012-12-14 07:41:08 PM

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


Things like this are why I am proud to be a Farker.
 
2012-12-14 07:41:35 PM

zez: How the fark is anyone living in Webster Groves, Mo, too poor to be able to buy a school lunch?

Typical home in Webster 

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There are some very wealthy people in Webster. There are definitely people who are poor as well.

The elementary in question is the one that mainly serves kids from Rock Hill. It's not completely impoverished, but it sure as hell isn't the same as the nice part of Webster.

The same can be said about the Ladue School District and parts of Olivette.
 
2012-12-14 07:41:39 PM

Weaver95: Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....

and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?


I totally agree. That's why I feed the homeless by taking them to the grocery store and telling them to eat any thing they want, the store will cover the cost. Costs me nothing and I go to bed knowing that I did something to help the hungry.
 
2012-12-14 07:42:30 PM

KarmaSpork: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Things like this are why I am proud to be a Farker.


Newsflash:

This just in.
 
2012-12-14 07:43:19 PM

PsiChick: Erm...the kid couldn't fill out the paperwork, and the parents weren't. I don't know what world you live in, but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.


Reminds me of one of the kids whose lunches I used to buy. Parents qualified for free lunches but wouldn't accept it because they were too proud to take any "government help". Hardly right that the little girl should suffer because her parents would rather she be hungry than fed by the government.
 
2012-12-14 07:43:22 PM

Lsherm: vrax: Lsherm: special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?

More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.

Oh, fark you! Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.

THE farkING KID GOT FED EITHER WAY YOU STUPID BLEEDING HEART!

She was sneaking him food to keep him from being bullied, but every kid got fed regardless of whether or not they had money. And this kid could have gotten the "cool" lunch if she had followed up with administrators so his parents got him back on the free lunch program.


And you could have chosen to not be an asshole in this thread. However, the cat's out of the bag. Her "mistake" was a sign of caring. Yours is the sign of a dick.
 
2012-12-14 07:43:30 PM

shtychkn: Weaver95: Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....

and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?

I totally agree. That's why I feed the homeless by taking them to the grocery store and telling them to eat any thing they want, the store will cover the cost. Costs me nothing and I go to bed knowing that I did something to help the hungry.


I'm sure you know the difference between a taxpayer funded public school that is supposed to take care of kids and a for-profit grocery store. I mean, I have to believe you do.
 
2012-12-14 07:43:48 PM

revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.


If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.
 
2012-12-14 07:44:04 PM

giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

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School lunch in the USA... 

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Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them


damn that's a good troll.


Best to do it the republican way and not offer a school lunch. The free market will sort out who needs to eat.
 
2012-12-14 07:44:48 PM

big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.


Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?
 
2012-12-14 07:45:48 PM

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.
 
2012-12-14 07:46:27 PM
The candy store has a lunch lady action figure playset in the window. (The other one is Moses for some reason.)

I'm very tempted to buy it. Lunch Lady--Action Hero! Yaaaaay! She could them up with the Librarian to kick the asses of nutritional and informational wrong-doers everywhere--but especially in the Media-Industrial-Congressional--Educational Complex (MICE)!

Lunch Lady Doris (also the School Nurse) on The Simpsons was voiced by Doris Grau, who also played Doris on The Critic. She was a "script girl" or something of that ilk and much loved by those who worked with her in the TV and movie industry. She was pretty much playing herself, with her own unique gravelly Brooklyn smoker's growl. She died of cancer like the orginal Marlborough Man and the wife of the creator of modern advertising for industries including Big Tobacco.
 
2012-12-14 07:47:21 PM

big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.


"...that who...?"

Everything you said before is defunct.

*)
 
2012-12-14 07:47:39 PM

thamike: [mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com image 425x320]

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"

 

mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com

"Why didn't he just sell some stock from his trust fund to make ends meet?"
 
2012-12-14 07:49:09 PM
"There's very little meat in these gym mats."

Lisa Simpson: "Isn't there anything here that doesn't have meat in it?"
Lunchlady Doris: "Possibly the meat loaf."

"It's full of bunny goodness."
 
2012-12-14 07:49:53 PM

Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?


Child services.
 
2012-12-14 07:50:28 PM
Remember, according to the GOP, giving a shiat about a kid is somehow bad.
 
2012-12-14 07:51:44 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: It baffles me that we, the human race, have the energy and resources to feed everyone Star Trek-style but refuse to do so because we cling to a 19th century model of scarcity and work. Yet many people desperately embrace the spaceship part while ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?


When you can promise me alien poon in go-go boots, I'll be a bit more open-minded.
 
2012-12-14 07:51:57 PM

big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.


Which adds to the deficit, amirite?

FO.
 
2012-12-14 07:52:31 PM

Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.


You. I like you.
 
2012-12-14 07:53:11 PM
I've paid for kids' lunches many times - usually the district will let them run a tab up to $15, then they'll cut them off. No money, no lunch. The free/reduced price lunch forms are available in English and Spanish, but we have kids speaking eleven other first languages in my school alone. The application turnaround time is several days, which families don't necessarily understand.

The district is pushing families to apply online to save money and expedite the process, but unfortunately it just adds another barrier to those who really need the help. (There is certainly a lot of fraud, but I'd consider it a lesser evil than making kids go hungry.)

In their present form, school lunches should be a last resort for families, and by that I mean as an alternative to starvation. I've seen many kids arrive here (from SE Asia in particular) lean, fit and healthy, only to morph into obese and chronically ill kids within two to three years. They lack transportation, no longer have the ability grow and/or harvest their own food, and are bound to school desks thirty-five hours a week. Organized sports cost $, require transportation, and it's often not safe to be outside in the areas where they can afford to live.
 
2012-12-14 07:54:27 PM

Indubitably: big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.

Which adds to the deficit, amirite?

FO.


And these same people will complain when schools offer free breakfast/lunch programs during the summer months.
 
2012-12-14 07:54:44 PM

Indubitably: big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.

Which adds to the deficit, amirite?

FO.


Fed children are smarter children, jackhats...
 
2012-12-14 07:54:52 PM

blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.


You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.
 
2012-12-14 07:56:07 PM

Pincy: Indubitably: big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.

Which adds to the deficit, amirite?

FO.

And these same people will complain when schools offer free breakfast/lunch programs during the summer months.

The most important time...

 
2012-12-14 07:57:33 PM

revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.


Yes it is. Realize how much food gets wasted every day in the food service industry, how much food gets thrown out in grocery stores. We could easily produce enough food to ensure that no person in the USA is starving. . .but we don't, because there is a profit to be made. Dollars before humanity, and sick farks like the Farkers on here who talk about how corporations have a duty to make money for their shareholders instead of doing what is best for humanity are part of the problem.

The fact that we have heartless amoral assholes like Lsherm who support children going hungry in the name of "rules are rules" is a problem this country has.

So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system, but language barriers were meaning a kid was going hungry. Do you really think if she'd told her supervisor or school administration that a kid was going hungry because his parents couldn't understand the Free Lunch forms because of a language barrier that anything would happen? No, nothing would happen, just administrators would make sure all policies were followed to the letter, and their behinds were covered from potential litigation.

School administrations in the USA over the last decade or so have become synonymous with "zero tolerance", the idea that rules are rules, and it's better to obey rules blindly and without thought than to actually judge anything on a case-by-case basis.

Yeah, technically and legally she was stealing school property, or some shiat like that, but she was doing something in the name of justice, of the greater good. If you honestly would let kids go hungry because paperwork needs to be filled out, because rules-are-rules, then you are a sad, pathetic waste of a human life and I genuinely wish you will find enlightenment, if not now, in your next incarnation.
 
2012-12-14 07:57:43 PM

SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?


It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.
 
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2012-12-14 07:59:31 PM

carnifex2005: Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...


but they don't get chocolate Malk with vitamin R
 
2012-12-14 07:59:50 PM
Here's a random, loony, moonbat leftard idea... but why don't we just give all kids the school lunch for free? We already pay for them to be educated through tax revenues; I doubt it'd add too much to the ol' tax liability to give them a couple of bucks worth of chicken and rice and canned green beans a day, and we'd save on the bureaucracy of running a "free school lunch" program. Just hand each kid a meal ticket in their classroom (to keep the little piggies from double-dipping) and be done with it. Then you don't have to worry about sad sacks like this kid not getting enough to eat.
 
2012-12-14 08:00:21 PM

Snapper Carr: SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?

It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.


Or they could just add him to the free lunch program and be done with it.
 
2012-12-14 08:01:03 PM
How can I make this clear?

Feed the children ALL OF THE TIME.

Apologies for the all-caps, but I'm serious here.

This is a no=-brainer.

*)

P.S. Thank you.
 
2012-12-14 08:01:41 PM

Pincy: shtychkn: Weaver95: Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....

and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?

I totally agree. That's why I feed the homeless by taking them to the grocery store and telling them to eat any thing they want, the store will cover the cost. Costs me nothing and I go to bed knowing that I did something to help the hungry.

I'm sure you know the difference between a taxpayer funded public school that is supposed to take care of kids and a for-profit grocery store. I mean, I have to believe you do.


That's what the cheese sandwich is for. She was giving away the food that wasn't free.
 
2012-12-14 08:01:48 PM

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he will be fed for life.

But you should shut the fark up, when you have done neither.
 
2012-12-14 08:02:30 PM

buckler: Do you believe that the child in question was starving?

I believe that if he or she were deprived of food when it was available to give, that could constitute the definition if she or he were hungry.


"Starving" to you is defined as being deprived of food when one is is hungry? That's a pretty damn marginal notion of starvation (e.g. it means you're "starving" every time you go for a long stroll and leave your wallet at home) particularly considering that the kind "hunger" you're referring to is a desire for lunch. I'd see your point if you were referring to malnutrition, but then again, giving food to a person who is suffering from frank malnutrition would amount to a lifesaving effort, and the law would probably excuse it if the food didn't belong to you. Is that what's happening here? It matters -- there's a big ethical difference between giving food to people who need and giving food to people who want it.
 
2012-12-14 08:03:12 PM

big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.


So, when I was younger, I rented a home in a fairly stable neighborhood. Our neighbors moved in and since the property was family owned, they paid no rent. The couple had four kids - three in diapers. The eldest was a six year old. There were quite a few days when I'd drive home and see the children playing in the streets. It turns out - the parents would leave the six year old in charge. And she was raised with very little supervision.

When I called child services, I was informed that unless I had the parents' names - they would be unable to help. Even if I gave them the address. Even if I knew the names of each child.

If this is your solution then you're also an idiot.
 
2012-12-14 08:03:21 PM

PsiChick: Lsherm: For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.

Erm...the kid couldn't fill out the paperwork, and the parents weren't. I don't know what world you live in, but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

Should she have paid for them? Yes. But firing her isn't the right response either--we can tailor punishment to fit the crime.


I never said she should have been fired, I said she farked up. I'm going to bold something you said because it's been my point since the beginning:

but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

And the lunch lady, correctly, tried to fix that. Then she dropped it. The lunch lady isn't responsible for getting that kid on the free food program. She also isn't responsible if the kid isn't on the food program. If she had passed her concerns up to people in the school system who are actually responsible for it, that kid would be back on the free food program.

This entire thread is going to break down into two types of people: people who realize a system needs to be in place to feed hungry kids, and people who want to feed kids but don't understand you need a system to do it.

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.
 
2012-12-14 08:03:31 PM

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

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I was inspired...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-14 08:04:52 PM

thamike: [mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com image 425x320]

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"


Because they spent their money on beer and cigs, got to have priorities.
 
2012-12-14 08:04:52 PM

Jgok: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

I was inspired...

[i.imgur.com image 500x1500]

To feed well


America can do it, free of charge.
 
2012-12-14 08:05:14 PM

Silverstaff: So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system,


No, she didn't. That's where she farked up.
 
2012-12-14 08:05:36 PM
see, there really is no such thing as a free lunch.
 
2012-12-14 08:05:42 PM

Lsherm: Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.

Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.


You and spmkk are totally clueless. Nobody was willing to give food away for free. The food service, Chartwell, was willing to be paid by the USDA to serve food to poor kids without charging them. The USDA requires paperwork or it won't pay Chartwell.

EVERY kid should get a free lunch? Even if he arrives at school in a Mercedes, wears new LaCoste shirts and $200 sneakers, and packs an iPhone 5? GTFO.
 
2012-12-14 08:06:12 PM

Lsherm: Silverstaff: So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system,

No, she didn't. That's where she farked up.


So, sometimes unorthodoxy rules?

Heh.
 
2012-12-14 08:07:12 PM

HeartBurnKid: Here's a random, loony, moonbat leftard idea... but why don't we just give all kids the school lunch for free? We already pay for them to be educated through tax revenues; I doubt it'd add too much to the ol' tax liability to give them a couple of bucks worth of chicken and rice and canned green beans a day, and we'd save on the bureaucracy of running a "free school lunch" program. Just hand each kid a meal ticket in their classroom (to keep the little piggies from double-dipping) and be done with it. Then you don't have to worry about sad sacks like this kid not getting enough to eat.


Because if you give a mouse a cookie then it'll want a glass of milk. They've got to learn about bootstraps. We should be cutting education, anyway. Costs too much money. Not enough left in the budget for war. Adam and Eve ate from the tree of KNOWLEDGE. There's a reason we're not born with knowledge. It's the way God intended it.

/am I doing it right?
 
2012-12-14 08:07:26 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Lsherm: Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.

Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.

You and spmkk are totally clueless. Nobody was willing to give food away for free. The food service, Chartwell, was willing to be paid by the USDA to serve food to poor kids without charging them. The USDA requires paperwork or it won't pay Chartwell.

EVERY kid should get a free lunch? Even if he arrives at school in a Mercedes, wears new LaCoste shirts and $200 sneakers, and packs an iPhone 5? GTFO.


Yes, if appropriate tax laws are in place, i.e. listen to me.
 
2012-12-14 08:09:04 PM

big pig peaches: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow

If you gave a meals like these to American kids they would throw it in the trash and hit the vending machines.


I seriously doubt it. I imagine there would be a select few who would opt out of the fee, non-overly processed, nutrient rich meal. These are probably the kids that show up with 3 lunchables, 2 sodas and a cup of pudding (and an apple that goes in the trash or to a friend). That is a whole different ball game as these children aren't malnourished. They are just a product of a family with poor life/health practices.

Stick a truly hungry child (or anyone for that matter) in front of any of those other countries school lunches and watch them eat. They might start slow but then you'll see their body relax. Probably get a real big smile a bite or two in when they finally slow down enough to chew and enjoy flavor. You can almost see the warmth of the food spread throughout them, physically and mentally.

I used to ride my bike around at night with a flashlight, panning it back and forth near parking meters to find the glint of change so I could buy a snickers. Rice and ramen (sometimes with a bit of corn) is not nourishing. Especially when you are a growing child. To this day I can't stand sweets. My body was fiending so bad for something other than carb/starch I would gobble that snickers like a 2$ whore slamming a john's bag of coke.

I'm sure most of the kids ya'll are bashing are in similar or much worse situations than I was.

/Favorite part of going to Burger King after school was eating the pickles and tomatoes that friends didn't want on their burgers.
 
2012-12-14 08:09:21 PM

Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: Lsherm: Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.

Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.

You and spmkk are totally clueless. Nobody was willing to give food away for free. The food service, Chartwell, was willing to be paid by the USDA to serve food to poor kids without charging them. The USDA requires paperwork or it won't pay Chartwell.

EVERY kid should get a free lunch? Even if he arrives at school in a Mercedes, wears new LaCoste shirts and $200 sneakers, and packs an iPhone 5? GTFO.

Yes, if appropriate tax laws are in place, i.e. listen to me ...


Can't remember who said it or in what thread, but to paraphrase, "Conservatives would rather let a hundred kids starve because there is the possibility that one kid may take advantage of the system."
 
2012-12-14 08:09:27 PM
The fact that we have delusional assholes like Silverstaff who don't understand how to feed large groups of underprivileged children speaks to the weakness of our future, because left to his own devices he'd rather have no system at all.
 
2012-12-14 08:09:51 PM

iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.


Seconded!
 
2012-12-14 08:13:40 PM

Pincy: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: Lsherm: Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.

Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.

You and spmkk are totally clueless. Nobody was willing to give food away for free. The food service, Chartwell, was willing to be paid by the USDA to serve food to poor kids without charging them. The USDA requires paperwork or it won't pay Chartwell.

EVERY kid should get a free lunch? Even if he arrives at school in a Mercedes, wears new LaCoste shirts and $200 sneakers, and packs an iPhone 5? GTFO.

Yes, if appropriate tax laws are in place, i.e. ...

Agreed.

 
2012-12-14 08:13:42 PM

Lsherm: Silverstaff: So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system,

No, she didn't. That's where she farked up.


She did try to use the system but couldn't force the child's parents to rely on it. Having no other immediate solution, she made the feeding the child her priority. This was the right call.
 
2012-12-14 08:14:45 PM

Lsherm: Silverstaff: So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system,

No, she didn't. That's where she farked up.


Yes she did.

From TFA: " She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says."

She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

Lsherm:
This entire thread is going to break down into two types of people: people who realize a system needs to be in place to feed hungry kids, and people who want to feed kids but don't understand you need a system to do it.


We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids. The system had a glitch, a language barrier between the students family and the forms needed to keep the kid receiving free lunches, so somebody had to step beyond the system and make sure he got fed.

Then the "rules are rules" and "zero tolerance" brigade known as School Administration fired her. Fortunately, public outrage from people with their hearts in the right place put enough pressure on those soulless admins.
 
2012-12-14 08:17:34 PM

Bathia_Mapes: wild9: Damn, that was a sad story. Especially "I don't think any kid should be hungry. I don't. And it's my belief that some of these kids who go to school and get meals, that may be the only meal they eat that day."


When my son was a child I used to volunteer for the USDA's summer lunch program and yes, that was often the case with some of the children who attended.  Two brothers in particular, ages 7 & 5, came to the park every single day for lunch.  Since we sometimes had extra lunches, these two would eat as quickly as they could in the hopes they could get a second lunch since this was the only food they had all day.  Skinny little guys too, who couldn't afford to lose even a couple of pounds and ate like a couple of starving animals.  I always wondered if they went the whole weekend without eating and hoped someone fed them.


I see this all the time at my kids' school. We have a backpack program where students who qualify--they often get free lunches--get backpacks full of food on Fridays to take home. They are donated by local food banks, charities, churches, and they bring the empty backpacks back on Monday and pick them up again on Friday. If they did not, the kids would have not enough to eat or nothing to eat until they got to school again on Monday.

The backpacks are nothing special. They look like anything any other kid would carry. No one knows what they are. Kids can put their books and stuff in them, so if they are opened, it looks likes books and pencils.

When my son's class has a party, I always donate twice what I am asked to so that parents who cannot afford to do not have to worry about their kids not being able to participate. There was a time when I was on the receiving end of that kindness. I really appreciated it. I came early to set up, served the food, and cleaned up. I thought, they paid for the stuff my kid is enjoying, the least I could do is let them enjoy the party and I do the icky work.

She did the right thing. She may have planned to give the money out of her check, or take up donations and money out of her check, but was not given a chance to. A child should never go hungry.
 
2012-12-14 08:21:03 PM
Dear Lunch Lady,

In the Spirit of Christmas, we have reconsidered your firing. In the future, leave your heart at home. You will be watched.

Sincerely,
Your employer

P.S. Whereas it takes 37 muscles to frown, and 22 to smile, in the future, please assume a blank face. Your cooperation will be appreciated.
 
2012-12-14 08:21:49 PM

Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.


The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.


Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.
 
2012-12-14 08:22:13 PM
I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

As a side note, everything else was provided in the school, as well, all art and writing supplies, etc. I was surprised because I was used to back-to-school shopping, which wasn't necessary.
 
2012-12-14 08:24:41 PM
Note to establishment: clean up your act now.

P.S. Or else.
 
2012-12-14 08:25:32 PM

swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

As a side note, everything else was provided in the school, as well, all art and writing supplies, etc. I was surprised because I was used to back-to-school shopping, which wasn't necessary.


Save your breath. This is the US of A. We have nothing to learn from other countries because we are the best at everything.
 
2012-12-14 08:26:00 PM

Sum Dum Gai:

Reminds me of one of the kids whose lunches I used to buy. Parents qualified for free lunches but wouldn't accept it because they were too proud to take any "government help". Hardly right that the little girl should suffer because her parents would rather she be hungry than fed by the government.


I'd have called Child Protective Services. That's neglect: "I know my kid's hungry but I choose not to accept food for her". I would wonder if that attitude extends to Medicaid and necessary medical care, too.
 
2012-12-14 08:26:28 PM
"They throw away more food than they give out"
This is true, but there's a reason, and it's not the fault of the company. You can thank the litigious society for it. Consider this.
The company has a bunch of left-over food after an event, and give it away. Someone who grabs some of the free food later claims they got food poisoning from it and sues. Their insurance company won't cover a potential loss, because the terms only protect against 'food sold.'
Thus, they throw the food away to protect themselves from that legal liability. Remove that legal liability, these companies would eagerly 'donate' the remaining food and take the tax deduction.
 
2012-12-14 08:26:41 PM

Indubitably: Note to establishment: clean up your act now.

P.S. Or else.


P.P.S. What do I mean by or else? Well, I mean, the proles will. Word.
 
2012-12-14 08:27:50 PM
thamike:
[Mitt god damn Romney]

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food buy the food services company with borrowed money, restructure the company and sell off the assets, and after repaying the loan use the profits to hire another personal chef for one of his houses?"


To think America almost made that man its leader...  *shudder*
 
2012-12-14 08:29:01 PM

EasyOsey: Kid got to eat, lady got her job back, hopefully parents get help...sometimes the "right" solutions are not the best way to handle a problem. My 1st grade son was coming home everyday for a few weeks saying he only ate half his snack because he shared it with another kid that never has a snack. Regardless of the reason, it's not kids fault, so I just started packing double the snacks since I can easily afford it.

Glad to see my kid has empathy - sure he got it from his mom.


That's awesome. This almost makes me wish I had a kid.

/almost
 
2012-12-14 08:30:02 PM

iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.


Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!
 
2012-12-14 08:30:05 PM

Jgok: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

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School lunch in the USA... 

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I was inspired...


I am jealous of korea right now.

That is better than my lunch as an adult.
 
2012-12-14 08:30:24 PM

swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?


I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.
 
2012-12-14 08:30:38 PM

vrax: Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.


cdn.ebaumsworld.com
 
2012-12-14 08:31:12 PM

Lsherm: swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.


No you don't. Just subtract it from the DoD.
 
2012-12-14 08:31:50 PM

Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.


No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.
 
2012-12-14 08:32:31 PM
How could you possibly look into a childs eyes and say " sorry I can't feed you, your paperwork isn't completed'. Shame on all you hard ass by the book admin nazi bastards. Feed the kids. Just farking feed them.
 
2012-12-14 08:34:11 PM

BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!


Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?

Lead by example, chatchie, misspell intended...
 
2012-12-14 08:34:20 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.


As a general rule of thumb: if your choices are letting a child starve or breaking the rules... Then breaking the rules becomes the morally right action.

I'm actually rather surprised we're actually discussing this, aren't you?
 
2012-12-14 08:34:53 PM

Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.


No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?
 
2012-12-14 08:35:18 PM

HeartBurnKid: Here's a random, loony, moonbat leftard idea... but why don't we just give all kids the school lunch for free? We already pay for them to be educated through tax revenues; I doubt it'd add too much to the ol' tax liability to give them a couple of bucks worth of chicken and rice and canned green beans a day, and we'd save on the bureaucracy of running a "free school lunch" program. Just hand each kid a meal ticket in their classroom (to keep the little piggies from double-dipping) and be done with it. Then you don't have to worry about sad sacks like this kid not getting enough to eat.

 
2012-12-14 08:35:21 PM

Precision Boobery: vrax: Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.

[cdn.ebaumsworld.com image 409x289]


Your deflection is dumbassery.
 
2012-12-14 08:39:50 PM
The national School Lunch Act was established as a way to prop up food prices by absorbing farm surpluses, while at the same time providing food to school age children. Regardless of who provides the food, the raw materials come from USDA as donated commodities; in the case of vended meals, the caterer must use and credit the school for the commodities received. For a child to qualify for a free school meal their parent or carer must be receiving particular qualifying benefits. A child in receipt of any of these qualifying benefits in their own right is also eligible to receive free school meals.

Now see why 'Lunch Lady Dianne' was confused?

Empathy can sometimes be confused with sympathy.
 
2012-12-14 08:40:48 PM

Snapper Carr: SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?

It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.


True, from the schools point of view.

Looking at it though, I find it hard to believe the parents can't find anyone in their circle of friends, neighbors or co workers who would be unable to sit down with them for a few minutes and help.
 
2012-12-14 08:41:39 PM
Captain Hindsight says yes, the lunch lady could have done things differently. Call me overly emotional, but I don't think I could look an obviously hungry kid in the face and tell him/her that the rules won't allow them to eat.

/has been hungry
//suspects that most (if not all) posters are eating at least three times a day
///really don't like kids much...ha!
 
2012-12-14 08:42:37 PM

Lsherm: I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.


Maybe seeing the cold, soulless, sadistic posting you made, heartlessly supporting kids going hungry has PISSED ME THE fark OFF!

Yeah, I'm angry right now, I was a little angry at the story, but a helluva lot angrier at your response. I sure as hell hope you're just some farking troll, just out there to get lulz like some election season partisan hack or just being a cut rate version of randomjsa or tenpoundsofcheese, because if you're a real human being thinking these things, then that's a truly sad thing.

I'm angry that people could say the things you've said with a straight, emotionless face. Tell that kid that he can't get enough food because his parents no habla ingles so they can't fill out the form.

I'm angry because there is a Principal out there who thought the same way you do, who chose to get into a field where he'd be around children all day, but have zero compassion or humanity and be an embarrassment to homo sapiens.

You don't have a problem with kids starving, because rules are rules and there is bureaucracy to be followed, the kid can just go hungry in the meantime.

Yeah, the kid could have got a plain cheese sandwich. Two slices of white bread and a sliver of government cheese. You think that's enough food? You think that's going to keep a kid from going hungry? You think that's going to do a damn bit of good, when for a lot of those kids that's the only food they'll get all day? Free hint: for an awful lot of kids on free school lunch, that's the only food they'll get all day.

The woman was a hero, she deserves praise, not firing.
 
2012-12-14 08:42:59 PM

UseTheForksLuke: The national School Lunch Act was established as a way to prop up food prices by absorbing farm surpluses, while at the same time providing food to school age children. Regardless of who provides the food, the raw materials come from USDA as donated commodities; in the case of vended meals, the caterer must use and credit the school for the commodities received. For a child to qualify for a free school meal their parent or carer must be receiving particular qualifying benefits. A child in receipt of any of these qualifying benefits in their own right is also eligible to receive free school meals.

Now see why 'Lunch Lady Dianne' was confused?

Empathy can sometimes be confused with sympathy.


As I read your post, I felt like I was a beef on a conveyor...

Nicely lofted.

*)
 
2012-12-14 08:43:01 PM

Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!

Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?


Right. The principal has to report to the lunch lady every day for a briefing.

You have a bad case of halo effect. Lunch lady did one thing right, so she can do no wrong.
 
2012-12-14 08:44:13 PM

Precision Boobery: vrax: Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.

[cdn.ebaumsworld.com image 409x289]


OK, OK...
 
2012-12-14 08:45:36 PM

Lsherm: swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.


Yeah. It's a pity no one keeps track of how many kids are at a school.
 
2012-12-14 08:45:37 PM

Lsherm: PsiChick: Lsherm:

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.


And as much as I'm pro feed the child no matter what I have to agree with this. While it is a shame that the system isn't already in place, there have been many systems that are now in place that weren't before. Most of these new systems, let's call them civil rights or suffrage, took minor infractions of the established law to come to fruition.

I think I'm fine with a lunch lady bilking 45 bucks. Hell, I hope she was helping more kids and this is just the tip of the iceburg. Ten, or multiples of ten, kids getting fed off of the public dime. Maybe lunch ladies across the Nation should start supplying free lunch regardless. Throw those biatches (and creepy men ones) in the Klink!

It's a new lunch counter folks. Lets start marching.
 
2012-12-14 08:47:34 PM

blunto: Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.

No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?


While you have grand ideas for personal responsibility, a child is being deprived of an adequate meal. Please proceed to froth about on your soapbox. Self-righteousness is obviously very important to you. Why actually work to fix the biggest problem (unfed child) when you can continue stomping your feet?

The lunch lady weighed two ethical principles aware that she was going to violate one of them.
 
2012-12-14 08:49:39 PM

Bontesla: blunto: Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.

No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?

While you have grand ideas for personal responsibility, a child is being deprived of an adequate meal. Please proceed to froth about on your soapbox. Self-righteousness is obviously very important to you. Why actually work to fix the biggest problem (unfed child) when you can continue stomping your feet?

The lunch lady weighed two ethical principles aware that she was going to violate one of them.


And totally ignored the third ethical choice: to bring the situation to the principal's attention.

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.
 
2012-12-14 08:49:48 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!

Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?

Right. The principal has to report to the lunch lady every day for a briefing.

You have a bad case of halo effect. Lunch lady did one thing right, so she can do no wrong.


So, as you bark Asshole-Non-Leader, what would you like your epitaph to be? To be too important.

P.S. There is a difference between leading and managing, no, Mr. Banker?
 
2012-12-14 08:51:10 PM

ProfessorOhki: Lsherm: swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.

Yeah. It's a pity no one keeps track of how many kids are at a school.


He also seems to be under the impression that school lunches are made to order, as opposed to a premade amount of food prepared based on an estimate of consumers.
 
2012-12-14 08:51:28 PM

SearchN: Snapper Carr: SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?

It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.

True, from the schools point of view.

Looking at it though, I find it hard to believe the parents can't find anyone in their circle of friends, neighbors or co workers who would be unable to sit down with them for a few minutes and help.


And what if they are simply bad parents? We place the burden on parents and if the child has crappy parents, the child is deprived.

Our system is broken. Arguing that the parents are to blame fixes nothing. We need a system that doesn't rely on everyone having a minimum degree of parenting skills in order to avoid punishing the child.
 
2012-12-14 08:53:39 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Bontesla: blunto: Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.

No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?

While you have grand ideas for personal responsibility, a child is being deprived of an adequate meal. Please proceed to froth about on your soapbox. Self-righteousness is obviously very important to you. Why actually work to fix the biggest problem (unfed child) when you can continue stomping your feet?

The lunch lady weighed two ethical principles aware that she was going to violate one of them.

And totally ignored the third ethical choice: to bring the situation to the principal's attention.

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.


And that's why you're an asshole.

If I were you, I would know everyone on my watch. I would know their smile and their frown. I would know why they came to teach that day. To feed is to teach, dumbass.

You show your lack of professionalism everyday.

And everyone sees it.

To lead
 
2012-12-14 08:54:00 PM

blunto: The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.


A PlayStation can be had for $15 these days and I actually see a free 65" TV on Craigslist at the moment. I mean, as long as you don't mind rear-projection. You copy-paste this line from 1994 or something?
 
2012-12-14 08:56:59 PM

Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!

Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?

Right. The principal has to report to the lunch lady every day for a briefing.

You have a bad case of halo effect. Lunch lady did one thing right, so she can do no wrong.

So, as you bark Asshole-Non-Leader, what would you like your epitaph to be? To be too important.

P.S. There is a difference between leading and managing, no, Mr. Banker?


You're still deflecting responsibility from the lunch lady. I'm going to move on to correspondents who are not stuck in a loop. You are boring as well as wrong.
 
2012-12-14 08:57:13 PM

Bontesla: Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.

As a general rule of thumb: if your choices are letting a child starve or breaking the rules... Then breaking the rules becomes the morally right action.

I'm actually rather surprised we're actually discussing this, aren't you?


I was surprised we were discussing it from the git-go.
 
2012-12-14 08:57:26 PM
Stupid lady, if we don't have poor people then we can't have rich people and rich people are good people...so obvious. duh!
 
2012-12-14 08:57:49 PM
images.sodahead.com

Who can say no to such a cute face?
 
2012-12-14 08:59:54 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Bontesla: blunto: Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.

No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?

While you have grand ideas for personal responsibility, a child is being deprived of an adequate meal. Please proceed to froth about on your soapbox. Self-righteousness is obviously very important to you. Why actually work to fix the biggest problem (unfed child) when you can continue stomping your feet?

The lunch lady weighed two ethical principles aware that she was going to violate one of them.

And totally ignored the third ethical choice: to bring the situation to the principal's attention.

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.


It's easier and more effective to ask for forgiveness than permission. So, you let 50 bucks slide and the child can eat. If you raise this up the chain - an official response may take a week. Then that's merely for the response. That's not for the solution which takes longer.

Further - it's a rather poor assumption that the principal would help. It's also a rather poor assumption that she wouldn't face repercussions for stepping outside her job.
 
2012-12-14 09:00:53 PM
At my nieces school so many kids were signed up for free meals they just said "fark it" and all kids get free breakfast and lunch. I think it should be like that anyway.
 
2012-12-14 09:01:41 PM

Silverstaff: Lsherm: I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

Maybe seeing the cold, soulless, sadistic posting you made, heartlessly supporting kids going hungry has PISSED ME THE fark OFF!

Yeah, I'm angry right now, I was a little angry at the story, but a helluva lot angrier at your response. I sure as hell hope you're just some farking troll, just out there to get lulz like some election season partisan hack or just being a cut rate version of randomjsa or tenpoundsofcheese, because if you're a real human being thinking these things, then that's a truly sad thing.

I'm angry that people could say the things you've said with a straight, emotionless face. Tell that kid that he can't get enough food because his parents no habla ingles so they can't fill out the form.

I'm angry because there is a Principal out there who thought the same way you do, who chose to get into a field where he'd be around children all day, but have zero compassion or humanity and be an embarrassment to homo sapiens.

You don't have a problem with kids starving, because rules are rules and there is bureaucracy to be followed, the kid can just go hungry in the meantime.

Yeah, the kid could have got a plain cheese sandwich. Two slices of white bread and a sliver of government cheese. You think that's enough food? You think that's going to keep a kid from going hungry? You think that's going to do a damn bit of good, when for a lot of those kids that's the only food they'll get all day? Free hint: for an awful lot of kids on free school lunch, that's the only food they'll get all day.

The woman was a hero, she deserves praise, not firing.



While I do agree that she deserves praise, not being fired, please take a moment to scroll back up the thread and read about her firing being retracted.  She'll be back to work this Monday. 
 
2012-12-14 09:01:42 PM

Gyrfalcon: Bontesla: Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.

As a general rule of thumb: if your choices are letting a child starve or breaking the rules... Then breaking the rules becomes the morally right action.

I'm actually rather surprised we're actually discussing this, aren't you?

I was surprised we were discussing it from the git-go.


Agreed.
 
2012-12-14 09:01:51 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!

Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?

Right. The principal has to report to the lunch lady every day for a briefing.

You have a bad case of halo effect. Lunch lady did one thing right, so she can do no wrong.

So, as you bark Asshole-Non-Leader, what would you like your epitaph to be? To be too important.

P.S. There is a difference between leading and managing, no, Mr. Banker?

You're still deflecting responsibility from the lunch lady. I'm going to move on to correspondents who are not stuck in a loop. You are boring as well as wrong.


And you deflect everything in a Pollyanna attempt at rectifying your own dysfunction.

Reality is.
 
2012-12-14 09:02:42 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.


I know, but I wasn't expecting this to blow up into one of the other mongo threads tonight. And I'll be honest, I don't know why I keep going with it. I still think the lunch lady farked up, and I'll stand by it, but it's meaningless it in the overall scheme of things. I don't really have a good reason for pressing the point.

I'm having a bad day because I followed the rules but something extraordinarily bad/good/mediocre is going to happen to me on Monday, so I guess I was seeking comfort in defending the system, because the system is the only thing that's going to save me now. Not someone who games the system - the system itself. If the system doesn't work for people who work within it, then what good is it?

It's an existential crisis, if you will allow it. Either it's going to work for me, or I'm toast. So I NEED "the system" to work. Maybe it's faith, maybe it's delusion, and maybe it's both.
 
2012-12-14 09:07:49 PM

Lsherm: Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.

I know, but I wasn't expecting this to blow up into one of the other mongo threads tonight. And I'll be honest, I don't know why I keep going with it. I still think the lunch lady farked up, and I'll stand by it, but it's meaningless it in the overall scheme of things. I don't really have a good reason for pressing the point.

I'm having a bad day because I followed the rules but something extraordinarily bad/good/mediocre is going to happen to me on Monday, so I guess I was seeking comfort in defending the system, because the system is the only thing that's going to save me now. Not someone who games the system - the system itself. If the system doesn't work for people who work within it, then what good is it?

It's an existential crisis, if you will allow it. Either it's going to work for me, or I'm toast. So I NEED "the system" to work. Maybe it's faith, maybe it's delusion, and maybe it's both.


God I hate the system so very much. It has never worked for me despite my reliance on it.

I hope you have better results.
 
2012-12-14 09:08:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.


Something to consider here is how vague "the kid was being bullied" is. That doesn't say anything at all about the degree of bullying, how the kid was handling it, etc. Maybe the lunch lady really thought this was necessary to protect him, in a more immediate and time-restricted sense than waiting to tell her boss and see how that shook out. Maybe she was just lazy/worried how that would go.
 
2012-12-14 09:11:11 PM
spmkk
From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Doesn't appear you are much into the whole reading comprehension thing either. TFA clearly said the brat would have been fed.

You can't give away product that doesn't belong to you. You want to sponsor this kid, great! I commend you. But theft is theft.
 
2012-12-14 09:14:04 PM
America where you have to second guess yourself before letting a child starve. Pretty freaking pathetic
 
2012-12-14 09:14:51 PM
Why does the left always use appeals to emotion as arguments? The lady "helped" the young child by giving away stuff that was not hers to give away. The lefty response to this is "OMG, you're an evil person who hates children".

WTF? Grow up and find a real argument to stand on.
 
2012-12-14 09:15:02 PM

OnlyM3: spmkk
From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.
Doesn't appear you are much into the whole reading comprehension thing either. TFA clearly said the brat would have been fed.

You can't give away product that doesn't belong to you. You want to sponsor this kid, great! I commend you. But theft is theft.


Quit being an asshole. See good hearts and minds as much as you don't...*)
 
2012-12-14 09:17:40 PM

AlgertMan: At my nieces school so many kids were signed up for free meals they just said "fark it" and all kids get free breakfast and lunch. I think it should be like that anyway.


Yeah, have it be "Opt Out". Hand out a form at the beginning of the year: "If your child does not require a school lunch, please check here." [ ]
 
2012-12-14 09:17:51 PM

stirfrybry: Why does the left always use appeals to emotion as arguments? The lady "helped" the young child by giving away stuff that was not hers to give away. The lefty response to this is "OMG, you're an evil person who hates children".

WTF? Grow up and find a real argument to stand on.

 

media.steampowered.com
 
2012-12-14 09:20:48 PM
Our priorities are so screwed up in this country. No kid should have to stress about lunchtime (do I have enough money? have my parents turned in the forms? will I get bullied for eating the scarlet letter sandwich?). They should just get fed.
 
2012-12-14 09:21:47 PM
How many kids got killed today? Not even in Connecticut, but in China. Maybe not China. They just got stabbed viciously. What about the rest of the world. How many kids lost their teeth as a crappy AK kicked hard enough to knock their teeth out on the Thai/Burma border? Kids living in the sewers of Bogata. Beaches used as bathrooms because the tide washes it out. Kids being firebombed in Bogata.

Seriously. I understand all of these sides of the argument. But there shouldn't even be an argument.
Most of my family are farmers, ranchers and railroad folk from Nebraska. So much food goes to waste. So much energy.

Our country should be able to feed everyone, children or adult. Hell, give the loser on the side of the street the plastic sandwich of shame. Give the little ones in school something that actually nourishes them. Fills them up with enough pride, energy and will to go defy those piece of shiat parents they have at home.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest toast to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

If this isn't still true then dismantle the farking statue.

Our country was built through strength. The strength of a people, many peoples, leaving what they thought was a shiat deal. I know it was built on the strength of the individual. But, times change.

We don't have to be socialist to take infractions against our collective agreement as "Americans" as bad. If we're going to be the world police then let's act like it. Sudan.

FARK...I feel like I'm channeling Cartman.
/No, my pot pie
//well, I haven't fed you in 3 days so you can have a taste.
///Damn You Ayn Rand!!!

////Libertarian. Take care of your kids. fark you. If you can't take care of them they are now my assets. I shall grow them for you.
 
2012-12-14 09:23:37 PM

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


I love it when people who think crime, such as stealing, and killing anyone who disagrees, is the answer to all the world's problems.
You've managed to approve of both in one post.

Congrats.
 
2012-12-14 09:24:25 PM
Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM

I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.

Kid isn't being fed
State provides "Safety Net" for these case and parents don't care enough about their kid(S?) to get them into the net.

Why are liberals not shouting to have these kids removed to a safe environment? Are we waiting to find these kids in the bottom of the bathtub? Instead we get trolls posting pictures of politicians that have nothing to do with it.

*waits for post to be deleted as it doesn't agree with DNC take over of fark
 
2012-12-14 09:25:09 PM

EasyOsey: Kid got to eat, lady got her job back, hopefully parents get help...sometimes the "right" solutions are not the best way to handle a problem. My 1st grade son was coming home everyday for a few weeks saying he only ate half his snack because he shared it with another kid that never has a snack. Regardless of the reason, it's not kids fault, so I just started packing double the snacks since I can easily afford it.

hopestillfloats.files.wordpress.com
Glad to see my kid has empathy - sure he got it from his mom.

 
2012-12-14 09:26:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn:

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.


I really hope this is a troll, because that's just mean spirited and exactly what is wrong with our country (and maybe even humanity to some extent). This whole looking down on people, having to feel superior to people, you don't even know, I see this too much. Someone who cares about the job they perform, do it well, and brighten other people's day, are too far and few between. We need more people like this lunch lady. Less people like the administration and catering company that fired her.
 
2012-12-14 09:26:49 PM

Bontesla: SearchN: Snapper Carr: SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?

It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.

True, from the schools point of view.

Looking at it though, I find it hard to believe the parents can't find anyone in their circle of friends, neighbors or co workers who would be unable to sit down with them for a few minutes and help.

And what if they are simply bad parents? We place the burden on parents and if the child has crappy parents, the child is deprived.

Our system is broken. Arguing that the parents are to blame fixes nothing. We need a system that doesn't rely on everyone having a minimum degree of parenting skills in order to avoid punishing the child.


Won't argue that point. It's possible the kid forgot the papers. It's possible the kid was embarrassed and didn't want to tell his parents. Most likely though they are just bad parents.

As to the 'our system is broken' part of it.. Sure seems that way. I wonder how we got there.
 
2012-12-14 09:29:50 PM

OnlyM3: Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM

I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.
Kid isn't being fed
State provides "Safety Net" for these case and parents don't care enough about their kid(S?) to get them into the net.

Why are liberals not shouting to have these kids removed to a safe environment? Are we waiting to find these kids in the bottom of the bathtub? Instead we get trolls posting pictures of politicians that have nothing to do with it.

*waits for post to be deleted as it doesn't agree with DNC take over of fark

To deDerp

 
2012-12-14 09:32:06 PM
I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.
 
2012-12-14 09:33:33 PM
Gee, why don't we just give all the poor kids free lunch at school? Oh...wait...we DO give all the poor kids free lunch at school, it's just their parents cant be bothered to fill out a bit of paperwork. Dumbasses.
 
2012-12-14 09:35:14 PM

buzzcut73: I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.


Ya.. let's not blame the worthless parent who can't be bothered to fill out some simple paperwork...
 
2012-12-14 09:35:55 PM

MrHelpful: Gee, why don't we just give all the poor kids free lunch at school? Oh...wait...we DO give all the poor kids free lunch at school, it's just their parents cant be bothered to fill out a bit of paperwork. Dumbasses.


Depaperwork?
 
2012-12-14 09:36:47 PM

diaphoresis: buzzcut73: I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.

Ya.. let's not blame the worthless parent who can't be bothered to fill out some simple paperwork...


What? So blame the parent by making the kid suffer? What is wrong with some of you people? Take the paperwork away entirely. We are the richest nation on earth. We can certainly provide lunches for every kid at school.
 
2012-12-14 09:38:01 PM
What a lot of people don't know is that school lunch programs are often run by a sub-company that acts almost like a private business within the school. los angeles unified school district lunches currently cost about 72 cents each. you figure how much you can expect to get from that...
 
2012-12-14 09:39:08 PM

Urbn: diaphoresis: buzzcut73: I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.

Ya.. let's not blame the worthless parent who can't be bothered to fill out some simple paperwork...

What? So blame the parent by making the kid suffer? What is wrong with some of you people? Take the paperwork away entirely. We are the richest nation on earth. We can certainly provide lunches for every kid at school.


Are you nuts? Why not just get rid of rules, regulations, structure and just do whatever we feel like it right at the moment? Friggin anarchist...
 
2012-12-14 09:39:12 PM

Bontesla: It's easier and more effective dishonest to ask for forgiveness than permission.


This is how many people end up in jail.

So, you let 50 bucks slide and the child can eat. If you raise this up the chain - an official response may take a week. Then that's merely for the response. That's not for the solution which takes longer. Further - it's a rather poor assumption that the principal would help.

You're just assuming the worst. I've known a few principals and I don't share your assumptions.

It's also a rather poor assumption that she wouldn't face repercussions for stepping outside her job.

Her job is to make sure kids get fed and the food gets paid for, so she would not have been stepping outside of it by leaving the lunchroom to get this kid's benefits renewed. The repercussions came when she defrauded her employer; not just for "a few days" but for weeks.

How much does a "cool" school lunch cost; $2, $3? She let the kid run $45 into the red; that's 15-22 days. Then she continued feeding him off the books for we don't know how long.

During all that time, she only gave the kid some paperwork to take home. She didn't follow up with the kid or school administrators. So don't tell me it's only "the system" that doesn't give a fark.
 
2012-12-14 09:39:48 PM

duenor: What a lot of people don't know is that school lunch programs are often run by a sub-company that acts almost like a private business within the school. los angeles unified school district lunches currently cost about 72 cents each. you figure how much you can expect to get from that...

To federalize

 
2012-12-14 09:40:24 PM

BrassArt: Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.

I love it when people who think crime, such as stealing, and killing anyone who disagrees, is the answer to all the world's problems.
You've managed to approve of both in one post.

Congrats.


Ah. Yes. You struggle with understanding what a moral delimma is.

Congrats. You're why we won't have nice things.
 
2012-12-14 09:40:45 PM

diaphoresis: stirfrybry: Why does the left always use appeals to emotion as arguments? The lady "helped" the young child by giving away stuff that was not hers to give away. The lefty response to this is "OMG, you're an evil person who hates children".

WTF? Grow up and find a real argument to stand on. 

[media.steampowered.com image 184x184]


That's the problem. You leftwingers are such douchebags, you see that as a troll. No, I wish you guys could make rational arguments. Too bad you're not up to the task
 
2012-12-14 09:40:48 PM

Indubitably: duenor: What a lot of people don't know is that school lunch programs are often run by a sub-company that acts almost like a private business within the school. los angeles unified school district lunches currently cost about 72 cents each. you figure how much you can expect to get from that...

To federalize


Addendum: To federalize feed
 
2012-12-14 09:41:18 PM
No good deed goes unpunished.
 
2012-12-14 09:42:06 PM

stirfrybry: diaphoresis: stirfrybry: Why does the left always use appeals to emotion as arguments? The lady "helped" the young child by giving away stuff that was not hers to give away. The lefty response to this is "OMG, you're an evil person who hates children".

WTF? Grow up and find a real argument to stand on. 

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That's the problem. You leftwingers are such douchebags, you see that as a troll. No, I wish you guys could make rational arguments. Too bad you're not up to the task


Quit "lefting."

You dumbify your argument always.
 
2012-12-14 09:43:03 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: No good deed goes unpunished.


I think you mean unseeded.
 
2012-12-14 09:44:04 PM

AlgertMan: At my nieces school so many kids were signed up for free meals they just said "fark it" and all kids get free breakfast and lunch. I think it should be like that anyway.


USDA regs allow that sensible option when the percentage of eligible kids is high. So no, the school didn't just say, "Fark it, let's defraud the feds."
 
2012-12-14 09:45:01 PM

OnlyM3: Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM

Why are liberals not shouting to have these kids removed to a safe environment? Are we waiting to find these kids in the bottom of the bathtub? Instead we get trolls posting pictures of politicians that have nothing to do with it.

*waits for post to be deleted as it doesn't agree with DNC take over of fark


Where are the disenfranchised youth being snapped up by anyone? Because no one wants them. Hell, I wouldn't want a...hmmmm, maybe I would. Different thread. Taking a seat over there with my 12yr old concubine.

Point being. You going to take them in? I sure as hell wouldn't. And I love kids and want to adopt as well as have my own. At the same time I have had many a shambling person ask me for money and instead I bring them up my place, cook them dinner. Give them a shower and toss their clothes in the washing machine while they shower.

Gah, I can't even continue.

Feed kids. Kill adults that use children as bargaining chips in violent situations.

/GD I have to do slashies
//It's a fracking lunch lady that fed a student in school and squandered 45 bucks from the system. For god's sake I squandered a good 10 grand out of my school system through my Home Ec teacher running to the Safeway across the street.
///Stupid as shiat that I can't get in to the military nor the peace corp because I have a drug charge.
 
2012-12-14 09:45:23 PM

stirfrybry: diaphoresis: stirfrybry: Why does the left always use appeals to emotion as arguments? The lady "helped" the young child by giving away stuff that was not hers to give away. The lefty response to this is "OMG, you're an evil person who hates children".

WTF? Grow up and find a real argument to stand on. 

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That's the problem. You leftwingers are such douchebags, you see that as a troll. No, I wish you guys could make rational arguments. Too bad you're not up to the task


Yes, there are cold, raw facts in this case, that we choose to overlook, just like the fact that you are a poor human being.
 
2012-12-14 09:45:50 PM

diaphoresis: Urbn: diaphoresis: buzzcut73: I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.

Ya.. let's not blame the worthless parent who can't be bothered to fill out some simple paperwork...

What? So blame the parent by making the kid suffer? What is wrong with some of you people? Take the paperwork away entirely. We are the richest nation on earth. We can certainly provide lunches for every kid at school.

Are you nuts? Why not just get rid of rules, regulations, structure and just do whatever we feel like it right at the moment? Friggin anarchist...


Funny how conservatives only like rules when they entail making it harder for hungry children to get fed...

/I thought you guys LOVED the idea of getting rid of regulations
 
2012-12-14 09:48:07 PM

Urbn: diaphoresis: Urbn: diaphoresis: buzzcut73: I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.

Ya.. let's not blame the worthless parent who can't be bothered to fill out some simple paperwork...

What? So blame the parent by making the kid suffer? What is wrong with some of you people? Take the paperwork away entirely. We are the richest nation on earth. We can certainly provide lunches for every kid at school.

Are you nuts? Why not just get rid of rules, regulations, structure and just do whatever we feel like it right at the moment? Friggin anarchist...

Funny how conservatives only like rules when they entail making it harder for hungry children to get fed...

/I thought you guys LOVED the idea of getting rid of regulations


Ya.. Nation of laws and all that

ANARCHY 99 !!
 
2012-12-14 09:53:35 PM

Jgok: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

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School lunch in the USA... 

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I was inspired...

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Yoink!!
 
2012-12-14 09:56:17 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Bontesla: It's easier and more effective dishonest to ask for forgiveness than permission.

This is how many people end up in jail.

So, you let 50 bucks slide and the child can eat. If you raise this up the chain - an official response may take a week. Then that's merely for the response. That's not for the solution which takes longer. Further - it's a rather poor assumption that the principal would help.

You're just assuming the worst. I've known a few principals and I don't share your assumptions.

It's also a rather poor assumption that she wouldn't face repercussions for stepping outside her job.

Her job is to make sure kids get fed and the food gets paid for, so she would not have been stepping outside of it by leaving the lunchroom to get this kid's benefits renewed. The repercussions came when she defrauded her employer; not just for "a few days" but for weeks.

How much does a "cool" school lunch cost; $2, $3? She let the kid run $45 into the red; that's 15-22 days. Then she continued feeding him off the books for we don't know how long.

During all that time, she only gave the kid some paperwork to take home. She didn't follow up with the kid or school administrators. So don't tell me it's only "the system" that doesn't give a fark.


Can't do the editing from my phone so please forgive the rather unattractive formatting...

I asserted that you've made an assumption that the lunch lady had the option to tell the principal. I've argued that your assumption is unfounded and offered explanations that illustrate why one may not find your suggestion a viable option. These are not assumptions. These are plausible explanations. I'm not asserting that they're true, merely that our lack of information could be important. It would be incorrect to reject my assumptions about the principal as I didn't make any.

2. You argued that she wasn't too bright and buttressed your argument by saying she could have notified someone and resolved the issue in a better way. My response to that was: sometimes, it's smarter to ask for forgiveness than permission. She isn't going to jail over 50 bucks. If her goal was to feed the child until she could obtain a resolution and the likely penalty for permission is greater than the penalty for forgiveness then it's absolutely an intelligent and thoughtful action to ask for forgiveness.

3. I never argued that the system doesn't care. It's a system. I find it wise not to ascribe such emotions to a system. My argument was that the system is broken and you have yet to address that argument.
 
2012-12-14 10:00:32 PM
Wife is a teacher (US).

You could give away a nice healthy lunch and a significant number of kids wouldn't eat it. Pizza or burrito day? Lines out the door.

At my wife's school they have VANILLA milk, and not white milk. I they stopped buying white because kids wouldn't drink it.

Wall E is around the corner folks.
 
2012-12-14 10:10:00 PM

OnlyM3: Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM

I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.
Kid isn't being fed
State provides "Safety Net" for these case and parents don't care enough about their kid(S?) to get them into the net.

Why are liberals not shouting to have these kids removed to a safe environment? Are we waiting to find these kids in the bottom of the bathtub? Instead we get trolls posting pictures of politicians that have nothing to do with it.

*waits for post to be deleted as it doesn't agree with DNC take over of fark


Funny, coming from someone who makes a political mess out of every thread he goes into and constantly whines about liberals not being conservatives.
 
2012-12-14 10:10:35 PM
Let's set a few things straight:

For those who missed it, the school lunch program in the Webster Groves School District is run by Chartwells, not the school district.

The administration was aware of the boys predicament and was already taking steps to rectify the situation (per email communication with the Superintendent).

Chartwells, not the school district fired Mrs. Brame and subsequently rehired her (most likely only because of the PR disaster they have on their hands but hopefully also because Dr. Riss sat down and had a come-to-Jesus meeting with them).

Now a personal observation:

The lunch lady at my kid's school (also in Webster Groves) is awesome. I stop by occasionally and have lunch with my kids if I'm working in the neighborhood. When they start school, they're assigned a 4 digit pin number which they punch in and it automatically deducts the price of the lunch or milk or a la carte from their existing balance. The lunch lady knows the name of every kid AND their pin numbers. Most of the kindergarteners have trouble remembering them for the first few weeks but asks them their name once and after that can punch it in for them without looking it up. Pretty farking amazing if you ask me.
 
2012-12-14 10:14:58 PM

stirfrybry: diaphoresis: stirfrybry: Why does the left always use appeals to emotion as arguments? The lady "helped" the young child by giving away stuff that was not hers to give away. The lefty response to this is "OMG, you're an evil person who hates children".

WTF? Grow up and find a real argument to stand on. 

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That's the problem. You leftwingers are such douchebags, you see that as a troll. No, I wish you guys could make rational arguments. Too bad you're not up to the task


Irrational arguments? Oh, please...your Presidential candidate ran his entire campaign appealing to your emotions of hatred and contempt for poor people.

Right-wingers are motivated entirely by fear, which isn't even as refined as "emotion", it's just your basic lizard brain reacting to someone grunting at you that someone else has a bigger hunk of mastodon meat, and that they must have stolen it from you.
 
2012-12-14 10:17:33 PM
If she felt so bad about the starving kid, then why didn't she just buy the kids lunch herself?
 
2012-12-14 10:18:21 PM
They didn't quite explain what the language barrier was. I mean I can see the kid not getting any help if he and his family cannot get past the words "Mother Farker".

Seriously, I delt with people when I was in high school when I worked in an auto shop and there was a class of set of customers who always came in mad with a problem but would only call us racist and "Mother Farkers". Needless to say we just threw them out.
 
2012-12-14 10:19:34 PM

RichMeatyTaste: Wife is a teacher (US).

You could give away a nice healthy lunch and a significant number of kids wouldn't eat it. Pizza or burrito day? Lines out the door.

At my wife's school they have VANILLA milk, and not white milk. I they stopped buying white because kids wouldn't drink it.

Wall E is around the corner folks.


You continue to talk with your ass, which doesn't seem to know anything about anything other than shaming. Guess what, poopy pants, I don't care when you shat or when you dan't. It isn't a crime to shat.

Get over yer shame, asshat, er jackhat.

*)
 
2012-12-14 10:21:44 PM

Weaver95: Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!


Yes, that's exactly what Lsherm said. Usual ignorant Leftist way to spin "The headline was misleading, and the person even admitted to breaking the rules" into "crush and smash".
 
2012-12-14 10:21:44 PM
I may be reading a lot into this, but:

he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says

He was on it once, so obviously 'language barriers' weren't an issue... the parents are just unconcerned douches.

skinink: "She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money."
I have some ice cream, I have some ice creeeeeeeeam. And you didn't get none because you are on the welfare. And your father is an alcoholic. Wanna lick?

/Psyche! I have some ice cream....
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that read it and Eddie Murphy was the first thing that popped in my head.
 
2012-12-14 10:22:07 PM

Bathia_Mapes: While I do agree that she deserves praise, not being fired, please take a moment to scroll back up the thread and read about her firing being retracted.  She'll be back to work this Monday.


The kid was also being fed regardless. That seems to be missed.
 
2012-12-14 10:24:00 PM

Sum Dum Gai: PsiChick: Erm...the kid couldn't fill out the paperwork, and the parents weren't. I don't know what world you live in, but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

Reminds me of one of the kids whose lunches I used to buy. Parents qualified for free lunches but wouldn't accept it because they were too proud to take any "government help". Hardly right that the little girl should suffer because her parents would rather she be hungry than fed by the government.


Yeah, this happens a lot. People are sometimes too embarrassed to apply for charity, because they're afraid that people like Lsherm will point to them publicly and screech out humiliation that they're parasites and moochers.

And sometimes they don't want to fill out a government form because they have something to hide, like undeclared income, or that their finances aren't in order and they're afraid of what will happen to them if it's exposed - they might be prosecuted, they might have their children removed from the home by Child Services. That's what happened to me in high school: my mother was unemployed because of her alcoholism, and she owed a lot of money to loan sharks and others she'd unwisely borrowed from. So, I was reduced to collecting glass bottles (this was in the late 60s) and redeeming them for pennies, and I'd always collect enough bottles to have ten cents the next day at lunch, because I could buy six dinner rolls with ten cents, and that's what I ate for lunch. Every day for an entire semester. And everyone knew it, the lunch lady (because she sold me the rolls), the other students, my teachers, hell, even the biatch guidance counselor who laughed in my face knew it. And it was a rare but lucky day when another student would let me have one of their leftover cookies, or half of a piece of meat loaf. So, yeah, my mother was willing to let me go hungry because she was not about to expose herself to that scrutiny (which she eventually had to face, and then she lost custody).
 
2012-12-14 10:24:48 PM

Silverstaff: You don't have a problem with kids starving, because rules are rules and there is bureaucracy to be followed, the kid can just go hungry in the meantime.


If you read the story, the children are fed even if they can't pay for the food. The lunch lady gave him extra food to avoid getting bullied.

But thanks for the non-emotional response. That was classic.
 
2012-12-14 10:28:39 PM

Gyrfalcon: Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.


Hey Gyrfalcon, I like you, so don't take this thread personally. I'm just working out some aggression. I'm obviously the thread enemy, so I'll keep hitting the balls back as long as I can.
 
2012-12-14 10:32:08 PM

Huggermugger: Yeah, this happens a lot. People are sometimes too embarrassed to apply for charity, because they're afraid that people like Lsherm will point to them publicly and screech out humiliation that they're parasites and moochers.


At any point did I make fun of the kid or his family? No.

Thanks again, liberal fake reality. Emotion trumps everything else.
 
2012-12-14 10:35:48 PM

Lsherm: Huggermugger: Yeah, this happens a lot. People are sometimes too embarrassed to apply for charity, because they're afraid that people like Lsherm will point to them publicly and screech out humiliation that they're parasites and moochers.

At any point did I make fun of the kid or his family? No.

Thanks again, liberal fake reality. Emotion trumps everything else.


You've been throwing insults like confetti against anyone who believes in giving charity.

Typical "Christian" who can't see anything through the blood rage of class hatred.
 
2012-12-14 10:39:26 PM
The blond reporter in this story is hot. I would like to feed her a dog biscuit out of my ass crack.
 
2012-12-14 10:39:37 PM

buckler: Remember, according to the GOP, giving a shiat about a kid is somehow bad.


Source?
 
2012-12-14 10:46:18 PM

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


Good for you, and good for them. Nice to read about a happy ending once in a while.
 
2012-12-14 10:47:20 PM

Huggermugger: Lsherm: Huggermugger: Yeah, this happens a lot. People are sometimes too embarrassed to apply for charity, because they're afraid that people like Lsherm will point to them publicly and screech out humiliation that they're parasites and moochers.

At any point did I make fun of the kid or his family? No.

Thanks again, liberal fake reality. Emotion trumps everything else.

You've been throwing insults like confetti against anyone who believes in giving charity.

Typical "Christian" who can't see anything through the blood rage of class hatred.


You've been throwing ignorance of the situation coupled with a fake cry of hungry children like an emotional weapon against anyone who disagrees with you like boxed wine at a pool party.

Charity is giving of yourself, not freely giving away other people's money.

Learn the difference. People like you are the reason for the first schism.
 
2012-12-14 10:56:47 PM

qualtrough: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Good for you, and good for them. Nice to read about a happy ending once in a while.


Oops, I should have written, "nice to read about something being resolved in a positive manner". I forgot I was on Fark.
 
2012-12-14 11:01:47 PM

Bontesla:

1. I asserted that you've made an assumption that the lunch lady had the option to tell the principal. I've argued that your assumption is unfounded and offered explanations that illustrate why one may not find your suggestion a viable option. These are not assumptions. These are plausible explanations. I'm not asserting that they're true, merely that our lack of information could be important. It would be incorrect to reject my assumptions about the principal as I didn't make any.

2. You argued that she wasn't too bright and buttressed your argument by saying she could have notified someone and resolved the issue in a better way. My response to that was: sometimes, it's smarter to ask for forgiveness than permission. She isn't going to jail over 50 bucks. If her goal was to feed the child until she could obtain a resolution and the likely penalty for permission is greater than the penalty for forgiveness then it's absolutely an intelligent and thoughtful action to ask for forgiveness.

3. I never argued that the system doesn't care. It's a system. I find it wise not to ascribe such emotions to a system. My argument was that the system is broken and you have yet to address that argument.


1. That's the fanciest tap dance I've seen since Shirley Temple retired from Hollywood. An "explanation" that you don't know is true is either an assumption or a lie.

2. She didn't ask for forgiveness; she won't even admit that she did anything that needs forgiving. She didn't ask for permission to feed the kid while his eligibility was sorted out. She just took the easiest path for herself, got caught, got fired, and refused to appeal the decision. "Weak brain" is not an assumption; the evidence is in TFA.

3. A system doesn't need emotion when it's set up to get kids fed and get paid for doing so. The system failed in this case because the lunch lady (and the parents) failed to work within the system.

Like I said earlier, the halo effect is strong in this one. Yeah, she did a good thing, but that doesn't mean that everything she did was good.

I'd have fired her, too, based on what she says in TFA. She doesn't want to learn from her mistakes or even admit them. She can't be trusted with money. She doesn't care if she keeps her job. Who in Hell wants an employee like that?

Maybe she saw the errors of her ways behind the scenes. If so, I give Chartwell credit for taking another chance on her. If not, I expect Chartwell rehired her as temporarily as possible, just to get the public heat off themselves and their customer, the school district.

As for the kid (remember the kid?), student privacy laws mean we'll never know what "everyone has been taken care of" means.
 
2012-12-14 11:02:38 PM
Everybody giving Lsherm grief seems to have severe reading comprehension difficulty. He never suggested the kid should be denied food. There were multiple opportunities for remediation and mitigation here, but the lunch lady failed to take advantage of them. A day or two of the cheese sandwich may have motivated the fourth grader (nine or ten years old, not an infant) to get his folks to fill out the form. Failing that, a conversation with an administrator would have been appropriate (running up a $45 balance on the kid's account probably took more than three weeks -- seems like enough time to have a chat with the principal). Even continuing to run up the balance on his account would have been preferable to what she did. Lsherm has been patiently trying to point out that without the system, NONE of these kids get fed. Hiding a problem does not solve it.

Nobody has suggested letting the fourth grader go hungry. But if he's getting the same meal whether the form gets filed or not, why should he give a fark about filing the form?
 
2012-12-14 11:03:17 PM

Huggermugger: /seriously, how can you "Christian" sociopaths so merrily sneer in the faces of hungry children?


Because they are Xtians and automatically better than everyone else because they are being oppressed.
 
2012-12-14 11:06:18 PM

scottydoesntknow: It's sad when prisoners are fed better


i take it you've never been in lock-up. they sure have an interesting idea of "food". the best thing is the tiny box of cheerios (you get two); at least it is edible, if only a small amount. my recommendation: when someone offers to sell you weed in exchange for one of the boxes, just decline. i mean, they search you pretty well on the way in, so i can only think of one way that he got that weed into the jail in the first place. the second thing is, where are you gonna smoke that shiatty ass-weed anyway? well, some other guys apparently don't like cheerios, so the answer is right there in the cell in the tombs. of course the cops smelled it, came and found out who was smoking weed in the jail. i don't know where they send you when you get caught smoking weed in the jail, since i had the patience to wait until i got home (took a couple days, sadly) to smoke mine...
 
2012-12-14 11:08:14 PM

Lsherm: Silverstaff: You don't have a problem with kids starving, because rules are rules and there is bureaucracy to be followed, the kid can just go hungry in the meantime.

If you read the story, the children are fed even if they can't pay for the food. The lunch lady gave him extra food to avoid getting bullied.

But thanks for the non-emotional response. That was classic.



That was the only part of the story I found odd. Bullying is not much of a problem because they come down on that hard and fast. Webster housing runs the gambit from 60K to million plus and there's a mix of all of those kids in most of the schools (Hudson is actually probably closest to everyone being more or less equal).
If anyone was giving someone else grief about being poor and eating cheese sandwiches, a good number of the other kids would either tell them to knock it off or let one of the teachers know. My 8 year old son was on the receiving end of some bullying and just kept walking away from it. One of his friends overheard it, told the counselor and they dropped the hammer on the kid.
 
2012-12-14 11:10:09 PM

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


You're also missing the fact that the school already had a system in place for those who didn't have money. He wouldn't go hungry if she hadn't done it.

BarkingUnicorn: Sum Dum Gai:

Reminds me of one of the kids whose lunches I used to buy. Parents qualified for free lunches but wouldn't accept it because they were too proud to take any "government help". Hardly right that the little girl should suffer because her parents would rather she be hungry than fed by the government.

I'd have called Child Protective Services. That's neglect: "I know my kid's hungry but I choose not to accept food for her". I would wonder if that attitude extends to Medicaid and necessary medical care, too.


Good point. That is child abuse.
 
2012-12-14 11:11:12 PM

cretinbob: Huggermugger: /seriously, how can you "Christian" sociopaths so merrily sneer in the faces of hungry children?

Because they are Xtians and automatically better than everyone else because they are being oppressed.


Liberals stereotype more than conservatives on moral values, cited by a liberal magazine citing a liberal study.

Good job playing to type. Maybe you'll see the irony.
 
2012-12-14 11:11:39 PM
CSB: My dad was the vice principal of Horace Mann Elementary in Minneapolis. There were a LOT of economically disadvantaged kids there. One day, I was visiting him and he took me to the cafeteria for breakfast. There were these two kids hanging around one table, just sitting there (the rule was, if you got to school early you had to hang out in the cafeteria until the early bell rang). My dad took me over there, set his tray down in front of one kid and made me set mine down in front of the other and then took me to his office.

So I asked him what that was all about, and he said the free school lunch was probably all that either of those two kids got to eat on a regular day. So whenever he saw them in the cafeteria before school, he would buy them breakfast. I was like ten years old at the time and mostly just pissed about not getting my pancakes and sausage, but a while after my asshat teenager years I remembered it and realized my dad was a pretty decent guy.
 
2012-12-14 11:11:47 PM
School lunches should be free, and they should be nutritious. Fark letting kids bring their own food or leave to buy some nasty junk food. When I was at school, that WAS the way it was.

People are being a little naive when they are saying that involving Child Protection would have helped in any way. More than likely, there would have been nothing they could or would do.

My daughter (in the UK) does not qualify for free school lunches because I get working tax credits. People whose yearly income is multiple times mine, however, DO qualify. We are both completely mystified by how this is supposed to be fair.

There may also be other reasons why the kid's paperwork didn't get filled in. I am on disability for a psychotic illness as well, and to be honest over time it seems to have become harder and harder for me to organise the simplest things. Psychiatric diagnoses are really just vague categories - whatever is wrong with me started a long time ago, and one of the early signs was this strange ineptitude when it comes to some things other people seem to find very easy. Providing a packed lunch was a huge problem for me right since she was in creche when she was about 3. I tried really hard but somehow organising having bread and fillings in the house was almost impossible. Filling in paperwork (or even looking at it) is another big obstacle. Sounds like the kid had about 3 weeks of lunches before she started giving them to him for free. To a parent with some kind of serious mental health issue - whether it is depression, alcoholism, schizophrenia, anxiety etc etc - a month or so could easily go by without paperwork being filled in. There could be different reasons why not.

Anyway, it is upsetting me no end that my daughter can't get free school meals. I tried social services but they can't do anything about any of this. The system just isn't there in the way people assume it is. You can get lucky and get a lot of help, but it depends a great deal on where you live AND you tend to have to hit rock bottom to get it. Not many people can go that far down and still manage to hold onto their kids at all.

Before anyone says the obvious, not being able to do simple daily tasks because of serious mental illness isn't the same thing as being lazy or stupid etc etc. Nobody really understands what happens to the brain in these cases very well at all. I listed all those conditions above because they all overlap at times and what seems to be one at first may turn into another later on.

I'm just mentioning all this really because it was actually the first thing that came to mind when the non-returned paperwork was blamed on the "language barrier". I would lay money on there being more problems in that household than language alone. A young mother who can't speak the language would be at risk of depression, for a start. And it would be much harder to get any help with it too. Just jumped out at me as "obvious", but I suppose I could be wrong.

Oh and by the way my daughter is 16, and top of her class. I just wish I was the stable and predictable parent that she deserves instead of someone who has bouts of good parental behaviour punctuated by long periods of farked up dysfunctional behaviour. I could get it but I'd need to go back to hospital again first.
 
2012-12-14 11:15:05 PM
Oh and PS I meant I could get daily help if I went back to hospital.
 
2012-12-14 11:23:15 PM

MrHelpful: Gee, why don't we just give all the poor kids free lunch at school? Oh...wait...we DO give all the poor kids free lunch at school, it's just their parents cant be bothered to fill out a bit of paperwork. Dumbasses.


6/10, not a good effort, you should have worked "illegals" in there.
 
2012-12-14 11:24:46 PM

TheKinkhead: Everybody giving Lsherm grief seems to have severe reading comprehension difficulty. He never suggested the kid should be denied food. There were multiple opportunities for remediation and mitigation here, but the lunch lady failed to take advantage of them. A day or two of the cheese sandwich may have motivated the fourth grader (nine or ten years old, not an infant) to get his folks to fill out the form. Failing that, a conversation with an administrator would have been appropriate (running up a $45 balance on the kid's account probably took more than three weeks -- seems like enough time to have a chat with the principal). Even continuing to run up the balance on his account would have been preferable to what she did. Lsherm has been patiently trying to point out that without the system, NONE of these kids get fed. Hiding a problem does not solve it.

Nobody has suggested letting the fourth grader go hungry. But if he's getting the same meal whether the form gets filed or not, why should he give a fark about filing the form?


Yes, things could have been done differently. Yet, this woman did the right thing. I know that hurts some people to think about.
 
2012-12-14 11:28:12 PM

Lsherm: Gyrfalcon: Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.

Hey Gyrfalcon, I like you, so don't take this thread personally. I'm just working out some aggression. I'm obviously the thread enemy, so I'll keep hitting the balls back as long as I can.


Let it all out.
 
2012-12-14 11:34:57 PM

vrax: Yet, this woman did the right thing. I know that hurts some people to think about.


She did and didn't. If she was really interested in feeding that kid long term, she would have told the school. She didn't.
 
2012-12-14 11:38:08 PM

Lsherm: cretinbob: Huggermugger: /seriously, how can you "Christian" sociopaths so merrily sneer in the faces of hungry children?

Because they are Xtians and automatically better than everyone else because they are being oppressed.

Liberals stereotype more than conservatives on moral values, cited by a liberal magazine citing a liberal study.

Good job playing to type. Maybe you'll see the irony.


Conservatives need to stop being so stereotypical. When your party platform is anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-middle class, and anti-intelligence, don't be surprised when others lump you in with that evil nonsense.
 
2012-12-14 11:44:31 PM

Lsherm: I know, but I wasn't expecting this to blow up into one of the other mongo threads tonight. And I'll be honest, I don't know why I keep going with it. I still think the lunch lady farked up, and I'll stand by it, but it's meaningless it in the overall scheme of things. I don't really have a good reason for pressing the point.

I'm having a bad day because I followed the rules but something extraordinarily bad/good/mediocre is going to happen to me on Monday, so I guess I was seeking comfort in defending the system, because the system is the only thing that's going to save me now. Not someone who games the system - the system itself. If the system doesn't work for people who work within it, then what good is it?

It's an existential crisis, if you will allow it. Either it's going to work for me, or I'm toast. So I NEED "the system" to work. Maybe it's faith, maybe it's delusion, and maybe it's both.



It's okay, Holden. ;)

I know not everyone can be as cheerfully cynical as me. Keep fighting the good fight. You're a good egg most of the time, even if I disagree with you sometimes.
 
2012-12-14 11:47:14 PM
There is no excuse for a child to go hungry, especially in this massively overfed and wealthiest of all nations.
Abso-f*cking-lutely NONE.

Most adults can do for themselves, children cannot. There should be more people like her in the world and fewer "rules are rules" douchebags like the ones that fired her.
 
2012-12-15 12:00:28 AM

Lsherm: I never said she should have been fired, I said she farked up. I'm going to bold something you said because it's been my point since the beginning:

but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

And the lunch lady, correctly, tried to fix that. Then she dropped it. The lunch lady isn't responsible for getting that kid on the free food program. She also isn't responsible if the kid isn't on the food program. If she had passed her concerns up to people in the school system who are actually responsible for it, that kid would be back on the free food program.

This entire thread is going to break down into two types of people: people who realize a system needs to be in place to feed hungry kids, and people who want to feed kids but don't understand you need a system to do it.

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.


You ever fark up? Start off trying to do the right thing, almost get there, but something doesn't connect and you just fark it up?

Did you get fired for that? Or did someone stop and take the time to actually tailor the punishment to your crime?

/Sounds like this is going to break down into two kinds of people: Zero-tolerance, and people with a morality system that doesn't function under Knight Templar.
 
2012-12-15 12:14:47 AM

PsiChick: Lsherm: I never said she should have been fired, I said she farked up. I'm going to bold something you said because it's been my point since the beginning:

but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

And the lunch lady, correctly, tried to fix that. Then she dropped it. The lunch lady isn't responsible for getting that kid on the free food program. She also isn't responsible if the kid isn't on the food program. If she had passed her concerns up to people in the school system who are actually responsible for it, that kid would be back on the free food program.

This entire thread is going to break down into two types of people: people who realize a system needs to be in place to feed hungry kids, and people who want to feed kids but don't understand you need a system to do it.

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.

You ever fark up? Start off trying to do the right thing, almost get there, but something doesn't connect and you just fark it up?

Did you get fired for that? Or did someone stop and take the time to actually tailor the punishment to your crime?

/Sounds like this is going to break down into two kinds of people: Zero-tolerance, and people with a morality system that doesn't function under Knight Templar.


No, it's still breaking down exactly like I said, including you. Everyone on each side has a moral ideal, but they have different manners of acting on it. Yours might be effective for one person, mine might be effective for hundreds.

What you need to think about is that your idea of morality is one kid, one fark up, one YOU. It's a very self-centered way of looking at things. That's what prevents you from understanding why what this lunch lady did was wrong. You don't understand that she stole because you can't comprehend a problem that involves more than one person at a time.
 
2012-12-15 12:26:08 AM

PsiChick: Lsherm: I never said she should have been fired, I said she farked up. I'm going to bold something you said because it's been my point since the beginning:

but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

And the lunch lady, correctly, tried to fix that. Then she dropped it. The lunch lady isn't responsible for getting that kid on the free food program. She also isn't responsible if the kid isn't on the food program. If she had passed her concerns up to people in the school system who are actually responsible for it, that kid would be back on the free food program.

This entire thread is going to break down into two types of people: people who realize a system needs to be in place to feed hungry kids, and people who want to feed kids but don't understand you need a system to do it.

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.

You ever fark up? Start off trying to do the right thing, almost get there, but something doesn't connect and you just fark it up?

Did you get fired for that? Or did someone stop and take the time to actually tailor the punishment to your crime?

/Sounds like this is going to break down into two kinds of people: Zero-tolerance, and people with a morality system that doesn't function under Knight Templar.


This woman didn't admit that she farked up. She defrauded her employer and says, "they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid." She doesn't even admit to choosing the lesser of two evils. She says she did nothing but good.

Firing her was perfectly tailored to her crimes, which include dishonesty, insubordination, and incompetence.

The dishonesty is obvious; she defrauded her employer of money.

Insubordination: she knew she was supposed to give the kid cheese sammich and milk, but she willfully chose to do otherwise.

Incompetence: she refuses or is unable to learn from her mistakes, or even realize that she made them.
 
2012-12-15 12:27:24 AM

Lsherm: PsiChick: Lsherm: I never said she should have been fired, I said she farked up. I'm going to bold something you said because it's been my point since the beginning:

but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

And the lunch lady, correctly, tried to fix that. Then she dropped it. The lunch lady isn't responsible for getting that kid on the free food program. She also isn't responsible if the kid isn't on the food program. If she had passed her concerns up to people in the school system who are actually responsible for it, that kid would be back on the free food program.

This entire thread is going to break down into two types of people: people who realize a system needs to be in place to feed hungry kids, and people who want to feed kids but don't understand you need a system to do it.

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.

You ever fark up? Start off trying to do the right thing, almost get there, but something doesn't connect and you just fark it up?

Did you get fired for that? Or did someone stop and take the time to actually tailor the punishment to your crime?

/Sounds like this is going to break down into two kinds of people: Zero-tolerance, and people with a morality system that doesn't function under Knight Templar.

No, it's still breaking down exactly like I said, including you. Everyone on each side has a moral ideal, but they have different manners of acting on it. Yours might be effective for one person, mine might be effective for hundreds.

What you need to think about is that your idea of morality is one kid, one fark up, one YOU. It's a very self-centered way of looking at things. That's what prevents you from understanding why what this lunch lady did was wrong. You don't understand that she stole because you can't comprehend a problem that involves more than one person at a time.


The goddamn Robbin Hooding biatch! Just like a lib, amirite?!
 
2012-12-15 12:30:36 AM
Government Schools

Shooting alleys managed by idiots who lust to enforce insane rules that they pull out of their ass.

Is your kid in pubic scrool? Good luck with that, you big dummy.
 
2012-12-15 12:35:16 AM

PsiChick: Did you get fired for that? Or did someone stop and take the time to actually tailor the punishment to your crime?


Oh yeah, another thing: she was offered a lesser punishment: a demotion, presumably to a job that didn't involve handling money. She refused that, so she was fired.

Like I said earlier: great heart, weak brain. Add stiff neck.
 
2012-12-15 12:35:23 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Government Schools

Shooting alleys managed by idiots who lust to enforce insane rules that they pull out of their ass.

Is your kid in pubic scrool? Good luck with that, you big dummy.


I know, when there are so many freely available options out there.
 
2012-12-15 12:37:50 AM

Lsherm: vrax: Yet, this woman did the right thing. I know that hurts some people to think about.

She did and didn't. If she was really interested in feeding that kid long term, she would have told the school. She didn't.


She didn't work for the school. She worked for a contractor hired by the school. It's very likely she didn't know the teachers from the administrators at the school. She might not have even been allowed to talk to them. It's not like she's a valued, salaried employee. She went out of her way to try and get the kid back on the program, but it can take weeks, even months, to be re-instated (think of it like a utility company, they cut you off in a heartbeat but take forever to turn the lights back on). In the meantime, the kid would have gone hungry. Sorry, I'd have done the exact same thing, especially knowing that 40% of the food will be thrown out at the end of the day.
 
2012-12-15 12:38:51 AM
Congratulations on letting this get to the front page after she had already been re-hired.
 
2012-12-15 12:41:26 AM

scubamage: Lsherm: vrax: Yet, this woman did the right thing. I know that hurts some people to think about.

She did and didn't. If she was really interested in feeding that kid long term, she would have told the school. She didn't.

She didn't work for the school. She worked for a contractor hired by the school. It's very likely she didn't know the teachers from the administrators at the school. She might not have even been allowed to talk to them. It's not like she's a valued, salaried employee. She went out of her way to try and get the kid back on the program, but it can take weeks, even months, to be re-instated (think of it like a utility company, they cut you off in a heartbeat but take forever to turn the lights back on). In the meantime, the kid would have gone hungry. Sorry, I'd have done the exact same thing, especially knowing that 40% of the food will be thrown out at the end of the day.


She went out of her way to hand a form to a kid, and never did a farking thing after that.

"Weeks" and "months" to renew free lunch eligibility? What orifice did you pull that out of?
 
2012-12-15 12:43:37 AM

BarkingUnicorn: scubamage: Lsherm: vrax: Yet, this woman did the right thing. I know that hurts some people to think about.

She did and didn't. If she was really interested in feeding that kid long term, she would have told the school. She didn't.

She didn't work for the school. She worked for a contractor hired by the school. It's very likely she didn't know the teachers from the administrators at the school. She might not have even been allowed to talk to them. It's not like she's a valued, salaried employee. She went out of her way to try and get the kid back on the program, but it can take weeks, even months, to be re-instated (think of it like a utility company, they cut you off in a heartbeat but take forever to turn the lights back on). In the meantime, the kid would have gone hungry. Sorry, I'd have done the exact same thing, especially knowing that 40% of the food will be thrown out at the end of the day.

She went out of her way to hand a form to a kid, and never did a farking thing after that.

"Weeks" and "months" to renew free lunch eligibility? What orifice did you pull that out of?


How long does it take?
 
2012-12-15 12:43:47 AM

Enigmamf: Congratulations on letting this get to the front page after she had already been re-hired.


It was posted before word got out that she was rehired. And the Great Controversy is about whether she should have been fired or allowed to go on stealing from her employer FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
 
2012-12-15 12:45:52 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Enigmamf: Congratulations on letting this get to the front page after she had already been re-hired.

It was posted before word got out that she was rehired. And the Great Controversy is about whether she should have been fired or allowed to go on stealing from her employer FOR GREAT JUSTICE!


Now you're just being a dick!
 
2012-12-15 12:52:12 AM

vrax: BarkingUnicorn: scubamage: Lsherm: vrax: Yet, this woman did the right thing. I know that hurts some people to think about.

She did and didn't. If she was really interested in feeding that kid long term, she would have told the school. She didn't.

She didn't work for the school. She worked for a contractor hired by the school. It's very likely she didn't know the teachers from the administrators at the school. She might not have even been allowed to talk to them. It's not like she's a valued, salaried employee. She went out of her way to try and get the kid back on the program, but it can take weeks, even months, to be re-instated (think of it like a utility company, they cut you off in a heartbeat but take forever to turn the lights back on). In the meantime, the kid would have gone hungry. Sorry, I'd have done the exact same thing, especially knowing that 40% of the food will be thrown out at the end of the day.

She went out of her way to hand a form to a kid, and never did a farking thing after that.

"Weeks" and "months" to renew free lunch eligibility? What orifice did you pull that out of?

How long does it take?


Same-day service, in my experience. All you have to do is fill out the paperwork and hand it in; free lunch for the kid. Just like my bank lets me withdraw cash against a check I deposited yesterday even though the check won't clear for a while longer. If it turns out the check's no good, I have to return the money. If it turns out I lied on my paperwork, I have to repay the free lunch money. But they don't leave me hanging until everything checks out.
 
2012-12-15 12:55:18 AM

Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: While I do agree that she deserves praise, not being fired, please take a moment to scroll back up the thread and read about her firing being retracted.  She'll be back to work this Monday.

The kid was also being fed regardless. That seems to be missed.



Yes, some seem to have missed that. 
 
2012-12-15 12:58:29 AM

vrax: BarkingUnicorn: Enigmamf: Congratulations on letting this get to the front page after she had already been re-hired.

It was posted before word got out that she was rehired. And the Great Controversy is about whether she should have been fired or allowed to go on stealing from her employer FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Now you're just being a dick!


Somebody set up us the bomb.
 
2012-12-15 01:02:27 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Enigmamf: Congratulations on letting this get to the front page after she had already been re-hired.

It was posted before word got out that she was rehired.


I saw that she was re-hired something like 10 hours ago. So maybe it was greenlit before word got to YOU that she was re-hired...

And the Great Controversy is about whether she should have been fired or allowed to go on stealing from her employer FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

... Not really that much controversy about it.
 
2012-12-15 01:07:30 AM

scubamage:

think of it like a utility company, they cut you off in a heartbeat but take forever to turn the lights back on


You must live in a very tough service area. I've gone three months without paying a utility bill. If the power's shut off, you scrape up the money and run to a payment location. Power's on again before you get back home.

Why would a utility drag its feet about restoring its revenue stream again?
 
2012-12-15 01:09:01 AM

Enigmamf: BarkingUnicorn: Enigmamf: Congratulations on letting this get to the front page after she had already been re-hired.

It was posted before word got out that she was rehired.


I saw that she was re-hired something like 10 hours ago. So maybe it was greenlit before word got to YOU that she was re-hired...

And the Great Controversy is about whether she should have been fired or allowed to go on stealing from her employer FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

... Not really that much controversy about it.


You just jumped to the last page of this thread, didn't you? :-)
 
2012-12-15 01:21:12 AM

Lsherm: What you need to think about is that your idea of morality is one kid, one fark up, one YOU. It's a very self-centered way of looking at things. That's what prevents you from understanding why what this lunch lady did was wrong. You don't understand that she stole because you can't comprehend a problem that involves more than one person at a time.


I ever say she wasn't wrong? That she didn't steal? Where? Did I ever advocate her even not being punished? No, of course not--my idea of morality is that you should punish wrongdoing based on intent, not based on zero tolerance.

Google 'stages of moral development'. It's interesting reading.

BarkingUnicorn: This woman didn't admit that she farked up. She defrauded her employer and says, "they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid." She doesn't even admit to choosing the lesser of two evils. She says she did nothing but good.

Firing her was perfectly tailored to her crimes, which include dishonesty, insubordination, and incompetence.

The dishonesty is obvious; she defrauded her employer of money.

Insubordination: she knew she was supposed to give the kid cheese sammich and milk, but she willfully chose to do otherwise.

Incompetence: she refuses or is unable to learn from her mistakes, or even realize that she made them.


Well, I'm glad you live in a religious order of highly intelligent and self-aware monks\nuns, but for the rest of us, nobody knows when they've farked up. This woman is pretty clearly not the brightest crayon in the box, but in your average school a person like her is an asset, because they honestly enjoy working with kids and have worked in the system long enough to become part of it.

And as for insubordination, you might want to go talk to whoever's sponsoring you into your order, because not only is that a stunning lack of empathy (also known as 'the ability to recognize how the child, who's as dumb as all kids anyway, will feel when being forced to choose between food and being picked on'), it's a pretty stunning lack of word comprehension, since the woman wasn't doing it to piss off her superiors, and connotative meanings of words do actually have a lot of bearing on the technical meaning.
 
2012-12-15 01:52:16 AM

PsiChick: Well, I'm glad you live in a religious order of highly intelligent and self-aware monks\nuns, but for the rest of us, nobody knows when they've farked up. This woman is pretty clearly not the brightest crayon in the box, but in your average school a person like her is an asset, because they honestly enjoy working with kids and have worked in the system long enough to become part of it.

And as for insubordination, you might want to go talk to whoever's sponsoring you into your order, because not only is that a stunning lack of empathy (also known as 'the ability to recognize how the child, who's as dumb as all kids anyway, will feel when being forced to choose between food and being picked on'), it's a pretty stunning lack of word comprehension, since the woman wasn't doing it to piss off her superiors, and connotative meanings of words do actually have a lot of bearing on the technical meaning.


You know you've farked up when your employer says, "You've farked up; here's how..." Are you and all of your acquaintances precious snowflakes who've never been told, "You've farked up?" If so, your education is sorely lacking.

Insubordination can be done "with all due respect" and no intention of pissing anyone off. It's still willful refusal to obey lawful orders. Connote whatever you wish; the technical definition doesn't change.

Chartwell tried to show empathy by offering to transfer the woman to another job, presumably one that didn't involve handling money. But she refused it. That left only firing. You can't have an employee handling money who thinks that she can do with it whatever she feels is right.
 
2012-12-15 02:06:31 AM

BarkingUnicorn: PsiChick: Well, I'm glad you live in a religious order of highly intelligent and self-aware monks\nuns, but for the rest of us, nobody knows when they've farked up. This woman is pretty clearly not the brightest crayon in the box, but in your average school a person like her is an asset, because they honestly enjoy working with kids and have worked in the system long enough to become part of it.

And as for insubordination, you might want to go talk to whoever's sponsoring you into your order, because not only is that a stunning lack of empathy (also known as 'the ability to recognize how the child, who's as dumb as all kids anyway, will feel when being forced to choose between food and being picked on'), it's a pretty stunning lack of word comprehension, since the woman wasn't doing it to piss off her superiors, and connotative meanings of words do actually have a lot of bearing on the technical meaning.

You know you've farked up when your employer says, "You've farked up; here's how..." Are you and all of your acquaintances precious snowflakes who've never been told, "You've farked up?" If so, your education is sorely lacking.

Insubordination can be done "with all due respect" and no intention of pissing anyone off. It's still willful refusal to obey lawful orders. Connote whatever you wish; the technical definition doesn't change.

Chartwell tried to show empathy by offering to transfer the woman to another job, presumably one that didn't involve handling money. But she refused it. That left only firing. You can't have an employee handling money who thinks that she can do with it whatever she feels is right.


WTF is a public school doing using a for-profit company for this role anyway?!
 
2012-12-15 02:12:17 AM

vrax:

WTF is a public school doing using a for-profit company for this role anyway?!


WTF is a school doing using for-profit companies for textbooks, desks, supplies, or anything else?

Kids go to the cafeteria to eat, not to learn how to cook.
 
2012-12-15 02:18:08 AM

BarkingUnicorn: vrax:

WTF is a public school doing using a for-profit company for this role anyway?!

WTF is a school doing using for-profit companies for textbooks, desks, supplies, or anything else?

Kids go to the cafeteria to eat, not to learn how to cook.


Yeah, those things don't operate their business within the school walls. Or do the desks have a secret operation going? Hmmm...
 
2012-12-15 02:19:47 AM

BarkingUnicorn: You know you've farked up when your employer says, "You've farked up; here's how..." Are you and all of your acquaintances precious snowflakes who've never been told, "You've farked up?" If so, your education is sorely lacking.


Quit trying to read "everyone but me must suck" into things that people say, if you want to have an adult conversation.
 
2012-12-15 02:33:03 AM

GoldSpider: Lsherm: I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing.

Well, yeah, it IS stealing if you want to get technical about it.


And, yeah, you're a moral infant, if you want to get technical about it.
 
2012-12-15 02:35:58 AM
Good thing to hear that she was rehired. I'm glad to see that enough people spoke up about making sure a kid ate more than cheese sandwiches being more important than the $35 overage. It's clear from the article that the lunch lady couldn't well afford to compensate for the food on her own dime and she did initially try to get the parents to fill out the paperwork even though there was a reported language barrier. Cheese sandwich and milk, I've heard is the standard treatment here as well. I make my kid's lunch myself, so I've never encountered it personally.

Being picked on isn't the only issue here, cheese sandwiches and milk are not food in a balanced meal, it needs more calories, more fruit and veggies and probably more protein. Here's a list of top 10 vitamin deficiencies. Eating only meals of cheese sandwiches and milk theoretically could cause cause #10, #9, #7, #4, and #2 at the very least from this list. That's half the list! I wouldn't be surprised if due to the overall lack of total nutrition a poor kid might get that even the cheese sandwiches and milk diet would still lend towards the rest of the items on the list being potential deficiencies assuming that for #6 that the poor kid also lives in a rougher neighborhood and his parents don't allow him to go outside much,and/or he's a minority who doesn't as readily absorb vitamin D from the sun. There's some Vitamin A and Vitamin D in milk, but is one cheese sandwich and one cup of milk going to provide enough to stave off deficiency? Sure, the official lunch strategy for kids that can't pay will make sure his stomach isn't turning in absolute knots, though I imagine that meal is particularly filling. It's still not a valid meal to consistently feed a child, which the lunch lady recognized.

A one-off situation where a parent missed payment or the child forgot to bring his brown-bagged lunch is not going to cause any harm to be fed the cheese sandwich lunch. The child will probably suffer humiliation, but not lasting harm. Long term use of such a meal given the implication it's one of no more than two low nutrition meals the child gets in a day could theoretically cause harm. A child that might only be eating while at school can't be served this day in and day out just because the proper paperwork isn't filled out. People who think otherwise should double check to make sure they're not Vogons.

I actually wondered if the child could have been hiding the free-lunch paperwork as he'd been indicated to have been on the free-lunch program before. That also theoretically has the same stigma as cheese sandwiches do, both of them say "you're poor." I've been poor, I was on free lunches as a kid more than once, and yes, school meals were often the only meals I got for the day.

Making sure every child in America gets healthy, well balanced, breakfast and lunch would probably do a lot to improve test scores, especially in poor areas. No one who's malnourished is going to
be able to do well in school. Brains need energy and nutrition to learn.
 
2012-12-15 02:37:21 AM

Bumblefark: GoldSpider: Lsherm: I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing.

Well, yeah, it IS stealing if you want to get technical about it.

And, yeah, you're a moral infant, if you want to get technical about it.


If you really want to get technical about it, "over $45" is "over $10" so she did just like she was "supposed" to do.

Weak brain. Great heart.
 
2012-12-15 03:23:30 AM

Lsherm: His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?


And clearly all children should suffer negative consequences anytime their parents are unwilling or unable to keep up on paperwork.

Let me guess, you beat the neighbor's dog every time the leave the gate open, right? Because if their dog didn't come home with a broken leg once in a while what incentive would they have to fix the gate latch?
 
2012-12-15 03:43:11 AM

BarkingUnicorn:

And the Great Controversy is about whether she should have been fired or allowed to go on stealing from her employer FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

... Not really that much controversy about it.

You just jumped to the last page of this thread, didn't you? :-)


I mean among civilized people.
 
2012-12-15 03:44:16 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Bumblefark: GoldSpider: Lsherm: I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing.

Well, yeah, it IS stealing if you want to get technical about it.

And, yeah, you're a moral infant, if you want to get technical about it.

If you really want to get technical about it, "over $45" is "over $10" so she did just like she was "supposed" to do.

Weak brain. Great heart.


She didn't think her cunning plan all the way through, eh?
 
2012-12-15 06:00:27 AM
Ah, giving away other people's money as a form of charity. I LOVE LIBERALS!
 
2012-12-15 06:23:20 AM

Yogimus: Ah, giving away other people's money as a form of charity. I LOVE LIBERALS!


Conservatives really hate it when people help each other.
 
2012-12-15 07:16:15 AM

Lsherm: You've been throwing ignorance of the situation coupled with a fake cry of hungry children like an emotional weapon against anyone who disagrees with you like boxed wine at a pool party.

Charity is giving of yourself, not freely giving away other people's money.

Learn the difference. People like you are the reason for the first schism.


Are you running for Sheriff of Nottingham?
 
2012-12-15 07:33:40 AM

Valeriyance: big pig peaches: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow

If you gave a meals like these to American kids they would throw it in the trash and hit the vending machines.

I seriously doubt it. I imagine there would be a select few who would opt out of the fee, non-overly processed, nutrient rich meal. These are probably the kids that show up with 3 lunchables, 2 sodas and a cup of pudding (and an apple that goes in the trash or to a friend). That is a whole different ball game as

I'm sure most of the kids ya'll are bashing are in similar or much worse situations than I was.

/Favorite part of going to Burger King after school was eating the pickles and tomatoes that friends didn't want on their burgers.


Have you ever seen that Jaime Oliver show he was doing for a while. I think you might be surprised at kid's' attitude about food. I hope it was exaggerated because they generally went to the healthiest parts of the country. It was really sad.
 
2012-12-15 07:46:27 AM

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


That was a very nice thing to do. I hope you get something special this holiday season.

Awfully glad the lunch lady will be back at work.
 
2012-12-15 09:23:34 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Government Schools

Shooting alleys managed by idiots who lust to enforce insane rules that they pull out of their ass.

Is your kid in pubic scrool? Good luck with that, you big dummy.


mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com
"Why don't poor people just send their kids to private schools?"
 
2012-12-15 09:25:40 AM
I can imagine the protest placards

"LET ARE KID SEAT!"
 
2012-12-15 09:25:53 AM

thamike: [mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com image 425x320]

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"


It's funny you bring upRomney. I'm sure it's been covered already but didn't he hand over piles of cash, his own cash to give milk to a program which couldn't afford it anymore?
 
2012-12-15 10:31:45 AM
It's not like they had to make extra food to feed this kid, I'm sure they throw away more than enough fodd each day to feed him and many others.
 
2012-12-15 10:32:49 AM
Free fodd for everyone!
 
2012-12-15 10:56:02 AM
I'm surprised no one offered the obvious solution. There was a "language barrier" in filling out the free lunch paperwork. This obviously means this kid's parents are here illegally. Fire the lunch lady, deport the kid and his parents, and I guarantee you won't have any more problems.
 
2012-12-15 11:24:47 AM

Yogimus: Ah, giving away other people's money as a form of charity. I LOVE LIBERALS!


It's a public school funded by taxpayers. What part of that don't you understand?
 
2012-12-15 11:27:22 AM

Enigmamf: BarkingUnicorn:

And the Great Controversy is about whether she should have been fired or allowed to go on stealing from her employer FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

... Not really that much controversy about it.

You just jumped to the last page of this thread, didn't you? :-)

I mean among civilized people.


Oh. You're right; we all agree her firing was appropriate.
 
2012-12-15 11:31:53 AM

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.



That's pretty much the deal there.
 
2012-12-15 11:57:41 AM
We don't know if she was rehired for the same job or for one that doesn't give her the opportunity to steal. The latter would be justice.
 
2012-12-15 12:21:41 PM
Because CAPITALISM, biatch! Are there not workhouses enough for such as these?
 
2012-12-15 12:30:55 PM

spmkk: Lsherm: "Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan."


From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Also -- it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.


IANALE but I imagine that the paperwork would mean reimbursement from some government program. I doubt they would actually be giving it away free.
 
2012-12-15 12:33:30 PM

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Gross, who threw up on that first plate?
 
2012-12-15 12:33:40 PM

BarkingUnicorn: We don't know if she was rehired for the same job or for one that doesn't give her the opportunity to steal. The latter would be justice.


that is trolltastic.
 
2012-12-15 12:50:58 PM

Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: We don't know if she was rehired for the same job or for one that doesn't give her the opportunity to steal. The latter would be justice.

that is trolltastic.


I challenge the idea that she truly stole. The kid, had his paperwork not been screwed up in the first place, would have received free lunch regardless.
 
2012-12-15 01:54:07 PM

Mr. Breeze: Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: We don't know if she was rehired for the same job or for one that doesn't give her the opportunity to steal. The latter would be justice.

that is trolltastic.

I challenge the idea that she truly stole. The kid, had his paperwork not been screwed up in the first place, would have received free lunch regardless.


Ya, I'm not understanding it either. I also don't understand why they needed the paperwork in the first place? The kid obviously needs help. Just add him to the free lunch program and be done with it. Why all the red tape?
 
2012-12-15 02:13:00 PM

Pincy: Mr. Breeze: Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: We don't know if she was rehired for the same job or for one that doesn't give her the opportunity to steal. The latter would be justice.

that is trolltastic.

I challenge the idea that she truly stole. The kid, had his paperwork not been screwed up in the first place, would have received free lunch regardless.

Ya, I'm not understanding it either. I also don't understand why they needed the paperwork in the first place? The kid obviously needs help. Just add him to the free lunch program and be done with it. Why all the red tape?


Now THAT is trolltastic!
 
2012-12-15 04:12:08 PM

betelgeux: thamike: [mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com image 425x320]

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"

It's funny you bring upRomney. I'm sure it's been covered already but didn't he hand over piles of cash, his own cash to give milk to a program which couldn't afford it anymore?


I don't know. I doubt he does either.
 
2012-12-15 04:21:22 PM

thamike: betelgeux: thamike: [mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com image 425x320]

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"

It's funny you bring upRomney. I'm sure it's been covered already but didn't he hand over piles of cash, his own cash to give milk to a program which couldn't afford it anymore?

I don't know. I doubt he does either.


He paid for half the veterans' program's next milk shipment. IDK the dollar amount.
 
2012-12-15 04:26:55 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Because CAPITALISM, biatch! Are there not workhouses enough for such as these?


ANARCHY 99, biatches! Everything should be free anyway!
 
2012-12-15 04:34:24 PM

BarkingUnicorn: He paid for half the veterans' program's next milk shipment. IDK the dollar amount.


OK.
 
2012-12-15 04:36:16 PM

thamike: BarkingUnicorn: He paid for half the veterans' program's next milk shipment. IDK the dollar amount.

OK.


I thought it was kinda cheap, myself.
 
2012-12-15 05:06:27 PM

BarkingUnicorn: You know you've farked up when your employer says, "You've farked up; here's how..." Are you and all of your acquaintances precious snowflakes who've never been told, "You've farked up?" If so, your education is sorely lacking.

Insubordination can be done "with all due respect" and no intention of pissing anyone off. It's still willful refusal to obey lawful orders. Connote whatever you wish; the technical definition doesn't change.

Chartwell tried to show empathy by offering to transfer the woman to another job, presumably one that didn't involve handling money. But she refused it. That left only firing. You can't have an employee handling money who thinks that she can do with it whatever she feels is right.


...I'mma just quote this for you:

BarkingUnicorn: I mean among civilized people.

Oh. You're right; we all agree her firing was appropriate.


I'm not entirely sure why you think anyone is going to hold a discussion with you when you post something that makes you sound like a condescending jackass.

/And I'm sure your Weeners was 'because I'm RIGHT!!', but unfortunately you're less 'right' and more 'functioning under a black-and-white morality system'.
 
2012-12-15 05:17:48 PM

PsiChick: BarkingUnicorn:

/And I'm sure your Weeners was 'because I'm RIGHT!!', but unfortunately you're less 'right' and more 'functioning under a black-and-white morality system'.


You're operating under a "the end justifies the means" morality system.
 
2012-12-15 05:23:43 PM

BarkingUnicorn: PsiChick: BarkingUnicorn:

/And I'm sure your Weeners was 'because I'm RIGHT!!', but unfortunately you're less 'right' and more 'functioning under a black-and-white morality system'.

You're operating under a "the end justifies the means" morality system.


It helps to read my posts instead of just making up things you think I said. I operate under the assumption that justice is more than just unthinking punishment, justice involves a huge degree of teaching. You don't have zero-tolerance policies, those don't work; instead you punish intent. Her intent was good. Her method was the problem. Therefore, the just solution is to teach her correct methods. The black and white solution is to just terminate her job.
 
2012-12-15 05:47:10 PM

PsiChick: BarkingUnicorn: PsiChick: BarkingUnicorn:

/And I'm sure your Weeners was 'because I'm RIGHT!!', but unfortunately you're less 'right' and more 'functioning under a black-and-white morality system'.

You're operating under a "the end justifies the means" morality system.

It helps to read my posts instead of just making up things you think I said. I operate under the assumption that justice is more than just unthinking punishment, justice involves a huge degree of teaching. You don't have zero-tolerance policies, those don't work; instead you punish intent. Her intent was good. Her method was the problem. Therefore, the just solution is to teach her correct methods. The black and white solution is to just terminate her job.


Can't teach someone who won't learn. She was told what she did wrong and refused to accept that it was wrong. She just pointed to the good result that she achieved and denied that her method was a problem. "They look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

She wasn't "just terminated;" she was offered another job. She rejected that offer.

If she had said, "I get it. What I did was wrong. Teach me what to do instead," then I'd teach her.

Hell, if she showed some serious remorse, I might be inclined to leave her on the cash register and, after a few months, stop auditing her transactions daily. But that would be a bad decision. Now that she's known as someone who can be corrupted, she shouldn't be in that school or anywhere near money. Kids will take advantage of her.

But she thinks the end justifies the means. So she really left her employer no choice but to fire her.
 
2012-12-15 05:55:40 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Can't teach someone who won't learn. She was told what she did wrong and refused to accept that it was wrong. She just pointed to the good result that she achieved and denied that her method was a problem. "They look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

She wasn't "just terminated;" she was offered another job. She rejected that offer.

If she had said, "I get it. What I did was wrong. Teach me what to do instead," then I'd teach her.

Hell, if she showed some serious remorse, I might be inclined to leave her on the cash register and, after a few months, stop auditing her transactions daily. But that would be a bad decision. Now that she's known as someone who can be corrupted, she shouldn't be in that school or anywhere near money. Kids will take advantage of her.

But she thinks the end justifies the means. So she really left her employer no choice but to fire her.


I can't RTFA right now without tanking someone else's internet, but I don't remember any offer of any other job, just a straight-out firing. And I highly doubt anyone said 'hey, most of this was a good call, but you have to pay for it with your own money'. I have a feeling they pretty much just called her a thief. This isn't the brightest bulb in the box, and she's working a low-level job in a for-profit company. Who's going to take the time to do more than say 'yeah, you stole, we can replace you in ten minutes, bye'?

/A lot of the time, when you get something like this, someone THINKS they said 'X, Y, Z' when really all they said was 'ZOMG X ZOMG'.
//Which is part of why people need to understand word connotation. You can't communicate effectively if you're using the wrong words.
 
2012-12-15 06:02:34 PM

PsiChick: I can't RTFA right now without tanking someone else's internet, but I don't remember any offer of any other job, just a straight-out firing. And I highly doubt anyone said 'hey, most of this was a good call, but you have to pay for it with your own money'. I have a feeling they pretty much just called her a thief. This isn't the brightest bulb in the box, and she's working a low-level job in a for-profit company. Who's going to take the time to do more than say 'yeah, you stole, we can replace you in ten minutes, bye'?


"There you go again."

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-15 06:18:40 PM

PsiChick: Which is part of why people need to understand word connotation. You can't communicate effectively if you're using the wrong words.


Anyone with a dictionary and the ability to turn off the voices in her head can communicate effectively.
 
2012-12-15 06:26:42 PM

BarkingUnicorn: PsiChick: Which is part of why people need to understand word connotation. You can't communicate effectively if you're using the wrong words.

Anyone with a dictionary and the ability to turn off the voices in her head can communicate effectively.


You're completely failing at it. For example, I have no idea why you posted a Shirley Temple pic, because people of my generation don't usually know Shirley Temple memes.
 
2012-12-15 06:35:25 PM

PsiChick: BarkingUnicorn: PsiChick: Which is part of why people need to understand word connotation. You can't communicate effectively if you're using the wrong words.

Anyone with a dictionary and the ability to turn off the voices in her head can communicate effectively.

You're completely failing at it. For example, I have no idea why you posted a Shirley Temple pic, because people of my generation don't usually know Shirley Temple memes.


You tap-dance, too.

"My feelings and beliefs are all I need. I don't have to RTFA or remember WTF we're talking about."
 
2012-12-15 11:42:59 PM
I've never understood how schools can get away with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, or cheese sandwiches as the minimalist food to give to kids with no money.

Peanut butter, cheese, and the white bread have almost nothing for fiber. If that's all you can get for food, it's going to bind you up inside and give you constipation (and hemmoroids later in life).

The basic free school lunch should have some minimum fiber requirement included, and if that means giving the kids a double-dose glass of Metamucil to push the peanut butter grease through, then so be it.
 
2012-12-16 01:44:06 AM

Fooby: I've never understood how schools can get away with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, or cheese sandwiches as the minimalist food to give to kids with no money.


Because better food would cost more money and we are a bunch of selfish bastards whose motto is "why should I have to pay for your kid to eat properly?"
 
2012-12-16 06:15:44 AM

Pincy: bunch of selfish bastards whose motto is "why should I have to pay for your kid to eat properly?"


They're the same ones usually biatching about how unfair it is that their tax money is being spent to give free medical treatment to those that otherwise would fall through the gaps of the previous system. Like, y'know, cancer patients, quadruple bypass patients who smoked a cig once, people who simply can't afford medical insurance.

These are truly Evil people. In the worst sense of the word. Yeah, there's people like Manson, but they're obvious Evil. No, the worst kind of Evil is 'Good' people who would step over your dying body in the street because "not my problem"

WWJD? .... get his throat slit by Muhammed.
 
2012-12-16 08:57:41 AM

PsiChick: BarkingUnicorn: PsiChick: BarkingUnicorn:

/And I'm sure your Weeners was 'because I'm RIGHT!!', but unfortunately you're less 'right' and more 'functioning under a black-and-white morality system'.

You're operating under a "the end justifies the means" morality system.

It helps to read my posts instead of just making up things you think I said. I operate under the assumption that justice is more than just unthinking punishment, justice involves a huge degree of teaching. You don't have zero-tolerance policies, those don't work; instead you punish intent. Her intent was good. Her method was the problem. Therefore, the just solution is to teach her correct methods. The black and white solution is to just terminate her job.


Don't bother with this one, really. He pretends to be mentally challenged, and then he starts quoting Reagan in a baffling attempt to be ridiculous and vindicated simultaneously.
 
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