what_now: There can serious emotional and physical side effects from using BC alcohol
what_now: Nabb1: what_now: I actually disagree. Hormonal birth control should be monitored by a doctor. There can serious emotional and physical side effects from using BC, and a woman should be able to have a doctor prescribe and monitor her use, until they find the correct dosage.The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists disagrees. LinkThey're making the best of a bad situation. Women without health insurance should still have across to birth control, they say, and under the current situation, they are correct.Lets solve the underlying problem of women who don't have access to health care.I gave an uninsured friend some of my left over birth control pills and a few months later she walked into an emergeny room worried she was going to kill herself.Now, she was in law school at the time...
what_now: I actually disagree. Hormonal birth control should be monitored by a doctor. There can serious emotional and physical side effects from using BC, and a woman should be able to have a doctor prescribe and monitor her use, until they find the correct dosage.Now, we should have single payer healthcare and BC should be free, but someone needs to prescribe it.
randomjsa: I mean it seems like a good idea but I'm worried about the unintended consequences.
urbangirl: Raise cholesterol, lower blood pressure to dangerous levels, blood clots, gallstones, clinical depression. Can cause serious problems if you're prone to cardio-vascular disease. Probably more that I don't know about. Not to mention if you happen to already be pregnant, you can really mess up the fetus.
un4gvn666: Honestly, I don't know why I bothered. lennavan is just doing the same selective reading routine he pulled in the "Marco Rubio refuses to stand up to social conservatives on the age of the Earth" thread. It's why I have him farkied as "Rubio at least deserves an A for effort!"
urbangirl: Not to mention if you happen to already be pregnant, you can really mess up the fetus.
urbangirl: This is not like an allergic rash from a condom that will go away in a few days. This is life-threatening stuff.
BSABSVR: There are very good reasons to keep some medications prescription only, even if you want recreational drugs to be legal (as I do). We are already seeing issues with bacterial infections developing resistance to antibiotics, creating MRSA, residtant strains of Gonorrhea, etc.During the 2001-2002 Anthrax scares, every idiot under the sun decided they needed Cipro, just in case Truth or Consequences, NM was going to be terrorized. I don't particularly care if some dude develops a tolerance for meth or adderall as it doesn't really do me any harm. That dude running around spewing a super bug because he takes Zeftera every time he gets the sniffles, or thinks that Cipro will clear up his athlete's foot can cause me harm.
lennavan: urbangirl: You can buy condoms OTC precisely because they don't have anywhere near the potential long-term serious consequences of OBCWhat are the potential long-term serious consequences of BC?
un4gvn666: lennavan: urbangirl: You can buy condoms OTC precisely because they don't have anywhere near the potential long-term serious consequences of OBCWhat are the potential long-term serious consequences of BC?There's a link provided in this very thread.
Corvus: As a guy. you can buy condoms over the counter, you can buy them in bathrooms, you can get them free from lots of places.But when it's women contraception it's OMG!!! We have to make sure people can't just buy them and we have to make sure religious groups aren't offended.It's double standard BS.
qorkfiend: Now we get into the fun part; would the doctor's visit for what is now an optional medication be covered under insurance? I doubt it.
SuperTramp: Hey Nabb1, could you hand the microphone to your uterus for a minute?
Ambivalence: Very true. Hormones are not to be farked with. There are also more chances of misuse if it's OTC.
Elandriel: Making an untrained woman personally in charge of ingesting medicine that has enormous hormonal change is hilariously irresponsible. People are still so damn hung up on this being about not getting pregnant, instead of the host of other effects BC pills have on a woman from cyst prevention to cycle regulation. Making it OTC divorces the process of consultation and medical expertise from it, and endangers women everywhere.
qorkfiend: Question: does making birth control available without a prescription remove the need for health insurance to get involved?I ask for two reasons. One, it would probably end the messy debate over health insurance from groups with religious affiliations. Two, it could open up a new can of worms as costs are no longer offset by health insurance.What I'm driving at here is, if birth control is OTC, what's to stop an anti-BC pharmacy owner from charging $100 per dose that can't be billed to your insurance?
TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Nabb1: The objections to this seem more political than scientific, to me, anyway.Having seen the tribulations of what my various female friends have gone through to find the correct HBC, I'm firmly in the camp of having it be RX only (through PP or some gyn or whatever).
sweetmelissa31: Is this a ploy to get people to pay more out of pocket for birth control?
Nabb1: Restricting women's access to birth control for policy reasons rather than medical reasons is, in effect, government interference with their reproductive rights. You are pro-choice, right?
TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Alright, you're a troll on this matter. Have fun, I'm gonna go do work.
hillbillypharmacist: Well, I kind of thought the same thing, but the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists thinks its safe enough to give OTC. Which kind of sways me to think it's probably okay. It would be behind the counter, and pharmacists would be there to answer questions and help them with the choices (ideally) refuse to give it to them for moral reasons.
TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Has nothing to do with greed, it has to do with many folks who go in to get HBC rarely have them and *should*, so having one at that point of patient content is coincidentally advantageous to the person inquiring about HBC.
sweetmelissa31: First of all, every woman should be able to see a gynecologist every year. I'm torn on the prescription birth control issue because not every woman can afford to see a gynecologist. However, the pill is not like a condom. I had a bad experience with it, and I'm glad I have insurance so I could see a gynecologist about it.
TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Ground-level RCC is often very, very different than what the Vatican would like.
Nabb1: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Nabb1: The objections to this seem more political than scientific, to me, anyway.Having seen the tribulations of what my various female friends have gone through to find the correct HBC, I'm firmly in the camp of having it be RX only (through PP or some gyn or whatever).As other said, it should be a no-copay covered medication and we should have single payer anyway, but yeah, I really think that its a complex enough issue with enough patient education and variance needed that a Doc should be involved.I'm sorry, is there anything that would prohibit a woman from speaking to her doctor about all this without the necessity of needing a prescription for the actual medication?
what_now: I actually disagree. Hormonal birth control should be monitored by a doctor. There can serious emotional and physical side effects from using BC, and a woman should be able to have a doctor prescribe and monitor her use, until they find the correct dosage.
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