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(Yahoo)   New AP poll shows that even 61% of those who ain't none too sure about that there "Science" thing, still think global warming is real and temperatures are rising   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 169
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2012-12-14 11:47:15 AM

The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

I think anyone who categorizes themselvesas "not trusting scientists" should be legally barred from recieving vaccines or flu shots, using a computer, watching tv or otherwise enjoy any benefit or product of "science"
 
2012-12-14 11:55:22 AM
It's going to get more obvious with evidence in the new few decades. Then we're still hosed by the time we all acknowledge it.
 
2012-12-14 11:55:35 AM
"Overall, 78 percent of those surveyed said they thought temperatures were rising and 80 percent called it a serious problem."

So at least 2 percent of people think it's a serious problem that global temperatures aren't rising?
 
2012-12-14 11:56:11 AM
Ahhhh the power of television! Is there anything it CAN'T make people believe?

Repeat something often enough and people are bound to start believing it, even if it isn't true.
 
2012-12-14 11:56:11 AM

DeathBySmiley: "Overall, 78 percent of those surveyed said they thought temperatures were rising and 80 percent called it a serious problem."

So at least 2 percent of people think it's a serious problem that global temperatures aren't rising?


Winter haters gonna hate.
 
2012-12-14 11:56:36 AM
Well it took this long to get people to accept it exists, it will probably take decades to get people to actually do anything about it and by then we will be cooking alive.
 
2012-12-14 11:57:21 AM

wantingout: Ahhhh the power of television! Is there anything it CAN'T make people believe?

Repeat something often enough and people are bound to start believing it, even if it isn't true.


Hey, it works for Faux "News"
 
2012-12-14 11:57:38 AM

Magorn: The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

I think anyone who categorizes themselvesas "not trusting scientists" should be legally barred from recieving vaccines or flu shots, using a computer, watching tv or otherwise enjoy any benefit or product of "science"


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2012-12-14 11:57:57 AM

Magorn: About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.


Okay this is about the same number (~28%) that we constantly see for the Tea Party, Freeperland, Da Derpers, you know, "... people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." (insert Blazing Saddles pic here).
 
2012-12-14 11:58:06 AM

wantingout: Ahhhh the power of television! Is there anything it CAN'T make people believe?

Repeat something often enough and people are bound to start believing it, even if it isn't true.


Exactly. Which is why it has been so difficult to educate people about climate change.
 
2012-12-14 11:58:13 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7486377/81280849#c81280849" target="_blank">Magorn</a>:</b> <i>The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

I think anyone who categorizes themselvesas "not trusting scientists" should be legally barred from recieving vaccines or flu shots, using a computer, watching tv or otherwise enjoy any benefit or product of "science"</i>

But...but...miracles?!?!?
 
2012-12-14 11:58:34 AM
Global warming leads to Ice Age. Figure it out.
 
2012-12-14 11:59:12 AM
I love this issue. One side of the fence wants to throw a bag of other people's money at it as a solution to the issue. The other side of the fence doesn't want their money tossed into the toilet.
 
2012-12-14 12:02:59 PM

zetar: Magorn: About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

Okay this is about the same number (~28%) that we constantly see for the Tea Party, Freeperland, Da Derpers, you know, "... people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." (insert Blazing Saddles pic here).


About a third of people will believe any stupid crap you tell them to.
 
2012-12-14 12:03:02 PM

Wook: I love this issue. One side of the fence wants to throw a bag of other people's money at it as a solution to the issue. The other side of the fence doesn't want their money tossed into the toilet.



You mean?
enviromum.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-14 12:05:01 PM

heinrich66: Global warming leads to Ice Age. FigureStudy it out.


FTFY
 
2012-12-14 12:05:25 PM
"Well, sure tempshurs is risin', but it ain't got nothin' ta do with mah 4x4, dangit!"
 
2012-12-14 12:05:28 PM
Wait... So scientists are now saying that global warming/climate change is NOT real?! Did I miss a memo? I thought it was pretty well shown that shrinking glaciers alone, were pretty obvious evidence that the climate is changing.
 
2012-12-14 12:06:09 PM

Wook: I love this issue. One side of the fence wants to throw a bag of other people's money at it as a solution to the issue. The other side of the fence doesn't want their money tossed into the toilet.


In other words, it's either:

A) A political issue blown out of proportion with little basis in reality--at best a natural progression or just visible variation that's not really a trend

or B) A real thing, being preached about by Chicken-Little morons whose entire plan is to execute Italian-style ineffective combat tactics and then act surprised that none of the stupid irrelevant crap they did worked

Can we just ignore the problem?
 
2012-12-14 12:06:57 PM
Oh good. We hadn't quite finished beating this to death in the other thread yet.
 
2012-12-14 12:09:47 PM

wantingout: Ahhhh the power of television! Is there anything it CAN'T make people believe?

Repeat something often enough and people are bound to start believing it, even if it isn't true.


When the facts are overwhelming, as in the case of global warming, not believing in science just shows are stupid you are.
 
2012-12-14 12:11:07 PM

Albert911emt: wantingout: Ahhhh the power of television! Is there anything it CAN'T make people believe?

Repeat something often enough and people are bound to start believing it, even if it isn't true.

When the facts are overwhelming, as in the case of global warming, not believing in science just shows are stupid you are.


Hey, potatoes gonna potato.
 
2012-12-14 12:11:36 PM

Magorn: The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

I think anyone who categorizes themselvesas "not trusting scientists" should be legally barred from recieving vaccines or flu shots, using a computer, watching tv or otherwise enjoy any benefit or product of "science"


Just keep them away from my food.
 
2012-12-14 12:12:55 PM
Sure the temperatures are going up, it is the anthropomorphic part that is a load of speculation and suspect correlation.

Or it could be the population of pirates.
 
2012-12-14 12:14:44 PM

wantingout: Ahhhh the power of television! Is there anything it CAN'T make people believe?

Repeat something often enough and people are bound to start believing it, even if it isn't true.


It helps if you start early enough. You know, like sending kids to Sunday School and such.
 
2012-12-14 12:14:53 PM
The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

Why is that category not lined at the bottom with sharpened bamboo poles? What does it take not to trust the consensus of the best and brightest humanity has to offer?

Those rocket scientists have created a vehicle that they claim will take you to the moon and back, but Joe-Bob over yonder made one out of an old Chevy Nova. Who picks the Nova?
 
2012-12-14 12:18:05 PM

Magorn: The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

I think anyone who categorizes themselvesas "not trusting scientists" should be legally barred from recieving vaccines or flu shots, using a computer, watching tv or otherwise enjoy any benefit or product of "science"


So according to your uselessly inflammitory logic ALL scientists are perfect, never lie for selfish or self-serving reasons, such as say, if all you blindly trusting morons who must never be wrong all of a sudden stopped believing their bullshiart these so-called scientists would find themselves without donations or funding sitting on the curb trying to figure another scam to hysteriafy your poor gullible pea-brains with, and you moronsky's would obble that farker up hook, line, and sinker just like the state of fear created by the climate change boogeyman.

Question everything, sheep.
 
2012-12-14 12:25:13 PM

Tricky Chicken: Sure the temperatures are going up, it is the anthropomorphic part that is a load of speculation and suspect correlation.

Or it could be the population of pirates.


Yep, anyone claiming that warming is anthropomorphic is definitely full of it. Anthropogenic warming, on the other hand, rests on a solid scientific foundation.
 
2012-12-14 12:27:11 PM

HighZoolander: Tricky Chicken: Sure the temperatures are going up, it is the anthropomorphic part that is a load of speculation and suspect correlation.

Or it could be the population of pirates.

Yep, anyone claiming that warming is anthropomorphic is definitely full of it.


He's probably a furry.
 
2012-12-14 12:27:38 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: So according to your uselessly inflammitory logic ALL scientists are perfect, never lie for selfish or self-serving reasons, such as say, if all you blindly trusting morons who must never be wrong all of a sudden stopped believing their bullshiart these so-called scientists would find themselves without donations or funding sitting on the curb trying to figure another scam to hysteriafy your poor gullible pea-brains with, and you moronsky's would obble that farker up hook, line, and sinker just like the state of fear created by the climate change boogeyman.

Question everything, sheep.



1/10
 
2012-12-14 12:29:35 PM

argylez: Ohlookabutterfly: So according to your uselessly inflammitory logic ALL scientists are perfect, never lie for selfish or self-serving reasons, such as say, if all you blindly trusting morons who must never be wrong all of a sudden stopped believing their bullshiart these so-called scientists would find themselves without donations or funding sitting on the curb trying to figure another scam to hysteriafy your poor gullible pea-brains with, and you moronsky's would obble that farker up hook, line, and sinker just like the state of fear created by the climate change boogeyman.

Question everything, sheep.


1/10


Needs the two olbligatory XKCD comics since he said 'sheep' in the end.
 
2012-12-14 12:29:35 PM
Maybe it's all that lead paint chips I ate as a child, but I don't necessarily trust scientists. I do however trust the scientific method and I place much more faith in peer reviewed scientific findings.
 
2012-12-14 12:30:16 PM
Meanwhile James Hansen's NASA GISS data is much less convinced:

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But it is, after all, James Hansen. Big Oil shill that he is, amirite?
 
2012-12-14 12:31:59 PM
This is from the tail end of the last big shouting match:

Transparency of studies an issue?
 
2012-12-14 12:41:45 PM
Of course it's warming, were still coming out of the last ice age. The question is can new taxes stop the 25,000 year old trend.
 
2012-12-14 12:42:27 PM

SevenizGud: But it is, after all, James Hansen. Big Oil shill that he is, amirite?


Well, it does make sense. There's a 3000 year old ice shelf that's existed since before humans crawled out of the seas melting away, which is dumping 0 degree water into the ocean, cooling it.
 
2012-12-14 12:43:15 PM

omeganuepsilon: This is from the tail end of the last big shouting match:

Transparency of studies an issue?


I don't understand why anyone would think that it's a problem that the reports are reviewed and edited to reflect reviewer input. The only real problem I can see with leaking an early draft is that people may quote things that change in later drafts, causing confusion, and the process itself may be slow. But isn't editing a report to make it more accurate a good thing?
 
2012-12-14 12:43:20 PM

SevenizGud: Meanwhile James Hansen's NASA GISS data is much less convinced:

[imageshack.us image 748x379] 

But it is, after all, James Hansen. Big Oil shill that he is, amirite?


I guess it's my turn to post this:

www.skepticalscience.com
 
2012-12-14 12:45:49 PM
Yea, its what happens after an ice age.

Feel the flow, its circular.... goes around and around

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-12-14 12:46:28 PM
imageshack.us
 
2012-12-14 12:47:04 PM

Magorn: The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

I think anyone who categorizes themselvesas "not trusting scientists" should be legally barred from recieving vaccines or flu shots, using a computer, watching tv or otherwise enjoy any benefit or product of "science" set adrift on a remote island


Let's just get it over with.
 
2012-12-14 12:47:11 PM
In follow-up interviews, some of those doubters said they believe their own eyes as they've watched thermometers rise, New York City subway tunnels flood, polar ice melt and Midwestern farm fields dry up.

None of which is data, all of which are anecdotes. Replacing one kind of magical thinking with another isn't helping anything: If you don't have time to learn climatology then you'll have to trust somebody to decide for you, there's no other way.
 
2012-12-14 12:47:18 PM

SevenizGud: Meanwhile James Hansen's NASA GISS data is much less convinced:

[imageshack.us image 748x379] 

But it is, after all, James Hansen. Big Oil shill that he is, amirite?


So why aren't you going back to 1998 anymore? The source on that graph has data all the way back to 1880. Let me guess, it's because you're a lying sack of shiat, amirite?
 
2012-12-14 12:48:35 PM

DeathBySmiley: "Overall, 78 percent of those surveyed said they thought temperatures were rising and 80 percent called it a serious problem."

So at least 2 percent of people think it's a serious problem that global temperatures aren't rising?


They are cold, who can blame them.
 
2012-12-14 12:49:50 PM
99% of kids believe in Santa
 
2012-12-14 12:50:45 PM

SevenizGud: [imageshack.us image 641x567]


Heh. Attempting to defend yourself from a charge of cherry-picking by simply doing more cherry-picking with intentional misrepresentation to boot isn't as effective as you may think.
 
2012-12-14 12:50:45 PM

HighZoolander: Tricky Chicken: Sure the temperatures are going up, it is the anthropomorphic part that is a load of speculation and suspect correlation.

Or it could be the population of pirates.

Yep, anyone claiming that warming is anthropomorphic is definitely full of it. Anthropogenic warming, on the other hand, rests on a solid scientific foundation.


oops, I tend to mis-use those.

Irregardless, the argument for human influence is not nearly as accepted as the argument for climate change. But you would rather argue word usage I assume? Its you're perrogitive.

/have fun
 
2012-12-14 12:55:31 PM

HighZoolander:

So why aren't you going back to 1998 anymore? The source on that graph has data all the way back to 1880. Let me guess, it's because you're a lying sack of shiat, amirite?


Actually, as I already explained to you, that data has not changed

But I know reading isn't your thing.
 
2012-12-14 12:56:20 PM
Overall, 78 percent of those surveyed said they thought temperatures were rising and 80 percent called it a serious problem.

That implies that 2% don't think temperatures are rising, yet they still think it's a serious problem?

I don't see how anyone can believe that temps are not rising. Those are actual numbers, and I don't understand how you can deny them.

I can certainly understand that people may disagree about why they are rising, or disagree about what (if anything) we can or should do about it. But to deny that temps are rising, you pretty much have to believe in a vast conspiracy that serves no purpose.
 
2012-12-14 12:56:29 PM

Tricky Chicken: HighZoolander: Tricky Chicken: Sure the temperatures are going up, it is the anthropomorphic part that is a load of speculation and suspect correlation.

Or it could be the population of pirates.

Yep, anyone claiming that warming is anthropomorphic is definitely full of it. Anthropogenic warming, on the other hand, rests on a solid scientific foundation.

oops, I tend to mis-use those.

Irregardless, the argument for human influence is not nearly as accepted as the argument for climate change. But you would rather argue word usage I assume? Its you're perrogitive.

/have fun


not nearly as accepted by the public, yes. But it is accepted by an overwhelming majority of scientists who study climate. Would you rather believe the experts who spend their lives studying the issue, or people who failed 8th grade science?
 
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