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(Talking Points Memo)   Senator Leahy (D-VT) wants to know when the White House is gonna toke up with him   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 14
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2012-12-14 08:40:40 AM  
3 votes:
Dude, maybe you've missed this budget crisis that's got everyone's attention?

Propose legalizing it and taxing it, to help solve the policy discrepancy AND help bring in more revenue. And if the GOP balks, claim they're not serious about their interest in new revenue.
2012-12-14 10:20:43 AM  
2 votes:

Shaggy_C: Paul Baumer: So, for me it's just not a top tier problem at the moment, and an issue that would be used to cloud other more salient things in the pipeline that need to get done

Don't try to reason with drug addicts, they are not reasonable people. You have to realize that their mental illness makes them see their drug usage as the most important thing for their survival, much like you or I would look at food or water.


Hey if you like throwing money into a pit and breaking up families ,taking productive people out of the workforce and incarcerating them to the tune of 40 k a year and not making a dent in the problem then go ahead and beat your head against the wall.
2012-12-14 10:12:37 AM  
2 votes:
Paul Baumer: Bloody William: Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment

There will always be "More pressing issues." This is a problem that needlessly jails thousands of Americans. It bloats our prisons, limits our media treatment and therapy options for cancer and mental disorders, and continues a policy of prohibition that has absolutely no reason for being.

Baby steps. Once the commercial practice becomes established it will become that much more difficult to eliminate. Any notion that you can just hand wave away 100 years of public "Reefer Madness!" demonization is just as absurd as one that thinks the practice can be stopped through law enforcement. Let it grow and take hold, let other states begin to copy the example of Washington and Colorado, and the dominoes will fall.


Please! Take away that sweet confiscation swag and the Federal money fountain and state/local police will drop drug enforcement like a box of radioactive scorpions.
2012-12-14 09:23:30 AM  
2 votes:

mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.


Rolling back Reagan's war on drugs would be a hell of a legacy, don't you think?
2012-12-14 02:19:50 PM  
1 votes:

Shaggy_C: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: My Dad used to have a couple glasses of wine after he got home from work almost every evening. A lot of people do similarly with beer. Is that shameful?

The difference being that marijuana users do not smoke just a puff or two. They smoke to get high. If your dad drank to get piss drunk every night, it would be a totally different ballgame, wouldn't it?


In your mind, someone who has 1-2 drinks in a night - they do this for...what, exactly? Because beer/vodak is so tasty (I'll grant that wine is usually not so foul-tasting, but no one can really say it's the tastiest drink one can imbibe)? Because whiskey is good for you? To keep their skin looking youthful? For its amazing restorative powers?

Or is it "to catch a buzz"? (Even if you're drinking a glass of red a day "for your heart", there is a biochemical "buzz-catching" going on.)

// and there are very much people who only take the occasional puff or two - to "take the edge off", usually in conjunction with alcohol, or at a social event
// and don't give me "social drinking" - I don't much care for booze, and a Sprite (or even nothing at all) will allow me to be social with the crowd
2012-12-14 12:02:04 PM  
1 votes:

Shaggy_C: a_room_with_a_moose: Small government, except...

You liberals are so cute.

Against "state's rights" except when the state in question is doing something you like.

Tad hypocritical. Just a little bit.


Moderate, I.

States rights are fine, until they infringe on civil liberties.

Then they, like you, can choke on a bag of dicks.
2012-12-14 11:48:43 AM  
1 votes:

Shaggy_C: joonyer: Life from your binary worldview must be quite comforting, eh? I know that if I could be so certain of things that I have no evidence of, I'd be a lot happier.

So we're going to throw away hundreds of years of federalism and our entire constitution so that some burnout losers can get high? Yeah, right. The jackboots will be marching, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but some day soon. The raids already happen all up and down the west coast; how long do you think a retail outlet engaged in the sale of drugs would last? This is as good as it's going to get for the druggies, individual decriminalization.


30daysout.files.wordpress.com

Another fake conservative spouting big government authoritarianism. Shocking.
2012-12-14 09:51:52 AM  
1 votes:
Obama is playing this smart. The best course of action is to allow WA and CO to do their thing for two years or so. Then when the world doesn't come to an end, maybe a couple more states legalize in 2014, and the electorate becomes a bit more sympathetic (read: codgers die off) then work on amending federal law in his last two years. To do it now would needlessly use way too much valuable political capital.
2012-12-14 09:49:40 AM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: mrshowrules: MFAWG: mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.

Rolling back Reagan's war on drugs would be a hell of a legacy, don't you think?

One thing a President can do that does not require a mandate is a pardon. He should pardon every single person in prison for pot possession/trafficing provided there is no link with another crime or violence. He could put Susan Rice in charge of managing the process (for the lulz).

Has there ever been an en masse pardon based on the offense before? While I like the idea, it sounds dangerously close to saying that the president can effectively annul any law he wants.


Yes, Illegal Immigration Amnesty by Reagan.
2012-12-14 09:39:39 AM  
1 votes:

Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment


There will always be "More pressing issues." This is a problem that needlessly jails thousands of Americans. It bloats our prisons, limits our media treatment and therapy options for cancer and mental disorders, and continues a policy of prohibition that has absolutely no reason for being.
2012-12-14 09:28:25 AM  
1 votes:
"One option would be to amend the Federal Controlled Substances Act to allow possession of up to one ounce of marijuana, at least in jurisdictions where it is legal under state law."

Bro, I want to move to Vermont so I can vote for and gay marry you.
2012-12-14 09:27:24 AM  
1 votes:
Now this one is dedicated to the people all over remember the words of your crucial Senator when I say I do not sniff the coke I only smoke the sensimilla.
I do not sniff the coke I only smoke. Sensimilla!
2012-12-14 09:24:43 AM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.


yeah and Mich Gov said he wasn't going to pass union busting laws either.
2012-12-14 09:20:33 AM  
1 votes:
if only the senator knew somebody involved in making or altering federal laws.

that would be convenient.
 
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