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2012-12-14 08:19:42 AM
Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.
 
2012-12-14 08:40:40 AM
Dude, maybe you've missed this budget crisis that's got everyone's attention?

Propose legalizing it and taxing it, to help solve the policy discrepancy AND help bring in more revenue. And if the GOP balks, claim they're not serious about their interest in new revenue.
 
2012-12-14 08:54:59 AM

abb3w: Dude, maybe you've missed this budget crisis that's got everyone's attention?

Propose legalizing it and taxing it, to help solve the policy discrepancy AND help bring in more revenue. And if the GOP balks, claim they're not serious about their interest in new revenue.


Ahhh, but you've forgotten Super Grover 2.doh! The GOP would have to say no taxes but the increased revenue from cheeto sales would allow us to eliminate the "death tax".
 
2012-12-14 09:18:33 AM

abb3w: Dude, maybe you've missed this budget crisis that's got everyone's attention?

Propose legalizing it and taxing it, to help solve the policy discrepancy AND help bring in more revenue. And if the GOP balks, claim they're not serious about their interest in new revenue.


Just like democrats to want to raise taxes on the lower classes
 
2012-12-14 09:20:33 AM
if only the senator knew somebody involved in making or altering federal laws.

that would be convenient.
 
2012-12-14 09:20:46 AM
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2012-12-14 09:20:53 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.


As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.
 
2012-12-14 09:21:34 AM

MFAWG: [img2-3.timeinc.net image 240x320]


This gentleman was on a show that ruled.
 
2012-12-14 09:23:30 AM

mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.


Rolling back Reagan's war on drugs would be a hell of a legacy, don't you think?
 
2012-12-14 09:23:35 AM
media.supernova.com

Just remember, Leahy, what comes around is all around.
 
2012-12-14 09:24:43 AM

mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.


yeah and Mich Gov said he wasn't going to pass union busting laws either.
 
2012-12-14 09:26:04 AM
"What assurance can and will the administration give to state officials involved in the licensing of marijuana retailers that they will not face Federal criminal penalties for carrying out duties assigned to them under state law?" Leahy wrote.

I thought it was still illegal to sell in those states? So they wouldn't be licensing retailers.
 
2012-12-14 09:27:24 AM
Now this one is dedicated to the people all over remember the words of your crucial Senator when I say I do not sniff the coke I only smoke the sensimilla.
I do not sniff the coke I only smoke. Sensimilla!
 
2012-12-14 09:28:25 AM
"One option would be to amend the Federal Controlled Substances Act to allow possession of up to one ounce of marijuana, at least in jurisdictions where it is legal under state law."

Bro, I want to move to Vermont so I can vote for and gay marry you.
 
2012-12-14 09:29:43 AM

mrshowrules: As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.


He has no expectation of doing anything significant. But he may have some business in the matter.
 
2012-12-14 09:29:49 AM

HotWingConspiracy: "What assurance can and will the administration give to state officials involved in the licensing of marijuana retailers that they will not face Federal criminal penalties for carrying out duties assigned to them under state law?" Leahy wrote.

I thought it was still illegal to sell in those states? So they wouldn't be licensing retailers.


Washington intends to have retail sales up and running in state licensed locations by next December. One of the reasons Christine Gregoire cracked down on medical marijuana dispensaries was the this very issue.
 
2012-12-14 09:30:20 AM

Cheron: Now this one is dedicated to the people all over remember the words of your crucial Senator when I say I do not sniff the coke I only smoke the sensimilla.
I do not sniff the coke I only smoke. Sensimilla!


I do not

Sniff the coke

I only smoke

Burma Shave
 
2012-12-14 09:30:31 AM
FACT: Marijuana use renders the user sympathetic to communism.

When North Korea or the USSR attacks us, I bet they start the invasion in Boulder.
 
2012-12-14 09:31:22 AM

MFAWG: HotWingConspiracy: "What assurance can and will the administration give to state officials involved in the licensing of marijuana retailers that they will not face Federal criminal penalties for carrying out duties assigned to them under state law?" Leahy wrote.

I thought it was still illegal to sell in those states? So they wouldn't be licensing retailers.

Washington intends to have retail sales up and running in state licensed locations by next December. One of the reasons Christine Gregoire cracked down on medical marijuana dispensaries was the this very issue.


Ah ok.
 
2012-12-14 09:32:06 AM
From Leahy's Wiki page: Jerry Garcia visited him at his Senate offices, and Leahy gave a tie designed by Garcia to Senator Orrin Hatch (who responded by giving Leahy a Rush Limbaugh tie).
 
2012-12-14 09:32:30 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: When North Korea or the USSR attacks us, I bet they start the invasion in Boulder


It'll be the first invasion ever to start in the middle of the invadee's territory....
 
2012-12-14 09:34:35 AM
Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment
 
2012-12-14 09:36:21 AM
media.giantbomb.com

// it had to be done
// search your feelings - you know it to be true
 
2012-12-14 09:37:12 AM

MFAWG: mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.

Rolling back Reagan's war on drugs would be a hell of a legacy, don't you think?


One thing a President can do that does not require a mandate is a pardon. He should pardon every single person in prison for pot possession/trafficing provided there is no link with another crime or violence. He could put Susan Rice in charge of managing the process (for the lulz).
 
2012-12-14 09:37:31 AM

Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment


OTOH, if Washington State goes ahead as planned and nothing gets done it sets up a problem when some hard nosed GOPper gets elected POTUS and decides to score some easy points.
 
2012-12-14 09:39:39 AM

Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment


There will always be "More pressing issues." This is a problem that needlessly jails thousands of Americans. It bloats our prisons, limits our media treatment and therapy options for cancer and mental disorders, and continues a policy of prohibition that has absolutely no reason for being.
 
2012-12-14 09:40:30 AM

mrshowrules: MFAWG: mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.

Rolling back Reagan's war on drugs would be a hell of a legacy, don't you think?

One thing a President can do that does not require a mandate is a pardon. He should pardon every single person in prison for pot possession/trafficing provided there is no link with another crime or violence. He could put Susan Rice in charge of managing the process (for the lulz).


Has there ever been an en masse pardon based on the offense before? While I like the idea, it sounds dangerously close to saying that the president can effectively annul any law he wants.
 
2012-12-14 09:43:30 AM

mrshowrules: One thing a President can do that does not require a mandate is a pardon. He should pardon every single person in prison for pot possession/trafficing provided there is no link with another crime or violence. He could put Susan Rice in charge of managing the process (for the lulz).


FTWiki: The pardon power of the President extends only to offenses cognizable under federal law. However, the governors of most of the 50 states have the power to grant pardons or reprieves for offenses under state criminal law. In other states, that power is committed to an appointed agency or board, or to a board and the governor in some hybrid arrangement (in some states the agency is merged with that of the parole board, as in the Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board).

He could clean out the federal prisons a bit (deficit reduction, hello!), but I'll bet the majority of persons imprisoned for pot possession or traffic with no other extenuating circumstances were convicted under state laws.

I could be wrong though, I have not looked up the numbers.
 
2012-12-14 09:45:02 AM

Bloody William: Has there ever been an en masse pardon based on the offense before? While I like the idea, it sounds dangerously close to saying that the president can effectively annul any law he wants.


For federal laws, he effectively can, provided he's willing to spend a lot of time on the paperwork. Even if he can't do the mass pardon, he could individually pardon each offender.
 
2012-12-14 09:46:43 AM
If it's grown, sold, and smoked within the state lines, I don't see how the feds claim jurisdiction over it as a criminal matter.
 
2012-12-14 09:47:36 AM

imontheinternet: If it's grown, sold, and smoked within the state lines, I don't see how the feds claim jurisdiction over it as a criminal matter.


Wickard v. Filmore.
 
2012-12-14 09:48:25 AM

incendi: Filmore.


Filburn, sorry.
 
2012-12-14 09:48:47 AM
For federal laws, he effectively can, provided he's willing to spend a lot of time on the paperwork. Even if he can't do the mass pardon, he could individually pardon each offender.

Dumb question - can the President pardon citizens convicted by the states? Or only those convicted by the feds?
 
2012-12-14 09:48:48 AM

Bloody William: mrshowrules: MFAWG: mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.

Rolling back Reagan's war on drugs would be a hell of a legacy, don't you think?

One thing a President can do that does not require a mandate is a pardon. He should pardon every single person in prison for pot possession/trafficing provided there is no link with another crime or violence. He could put Susan Rice in charge of managing the process (for the lulz).

Has there ever been an en masse pardon based on the offense before? While I like the idea, it sounds dangerously close to saying that the president can effectively annul any law he wants.


You would still want a cases by case review. Obama could ask for examples of cases, maybe start with simple pot possession with the longest sentences. No doubt there are very bad people in prison with pot charges being the only thing they could use that would stick. You don't want to pardon them.

I'm sure there is some organizations out there that have long lists of people in prison on petty drug charges. Obama simply would need to get a volunteer committee to review the cases carefully and make recommendations based on simple criteria. Was it a first offense? Was it related to other harm/crimes? How much time has already been served, how much time remains? Does the person have a job waiting for them?
 
2012-12-14 09:49:40 AM

Bloody William: mrshowrules: MFAWG: mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: Said Obama: "We've got bigger fish to fry. It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal." Link

Second term. Second term.

As much as I support the decriminalization of pot, Obama didn't run on this so he has no business doing anything significant on the issue.

Rolling back Reagan's war on drugs would be a hell of a legacy, don't you think?

One thing a President can do that does not require a mandate is a pardon. He should pardon every single person in prison for pot possession/trafficing provided there is no link with another crime or violence. He could put Susan Rice in charge of managing the process (for the lulz).

Has there ever been an en masse pardon based on the offense before? While I like the idea, it sounds dangerously close to saying that the president can effectively annul any law he wants.


Yes, Illegal Immigration Amnesty by Reagan.
 
2012-12-14 09:50:33 AM

incendi: mrshowrules: One thing a President can do that does not require a mandate is a pardon. He should pardon every single person in prison for pot possession/trafficing provided there is no link with another crime or violence. He could put Susan Rice in charge of managing the process (for the lulz).

FTWiki: The pardon power of the President extends only to offenses cognizable under federal law. However, the governors of most of the 50 states have the power to grant pardons or reprieves for offenses under state criminal law. In other states, that power is committed to an appointed agency or board, or to a board and the governor in some hybrid arrangement (in some states the agency is merged with that of the parole board, as in the Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board).

He could clean out the federal prisons a bit (deficit reduction, hello!), but I'll bet the majority of persons imprisoned for pot possession or traffic with no other extenuating circumstances were convicted under state laws.

I could be wrong though, I have not looked up the numbers.


Sound right. Too bad.
 
2012-12-14 09:50:47 AM

Bloody William: Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment

There will always be "More pressing issues." This is a problem that needlessly jails thousands of Americans. It bloats our prisons, limits our media treatment and therapy options for cancer and mental disorders, and continues a policy of prohibition that has absolutely no reason for being.


Baby steps. Once the commercial practice becomes established it will become that much more difficult to eliminate. Any notion that you can just hand wave away 100 years of public "Reefer Madness!" demonization is just as absurd as one that thinks the practice can be stopped through law enforcement. Let it grow and take hold, let other states begin to copy the example of Washington and Colorado, and the dominoes will fall.
 
2012-12-14 09:51:52 AM
Obama is playing this smart. The best course of action is to allow WA and CO to do their thing for two years or so. Then when the world doesn't come to an end, maybe a couple more states legalize in 2014, and the electorate becomes a bit more sympathetic (read: codgers die off) then work on amending federal law in his last two years. To do it now would needlessly use way too much valuable political capital.
 
2012-12-14 09:52:26 AM

incendi: imontheinternet: If it's grown, sold, and smoked within the state lines, I don't see how the feds claim jurisdiction over it as a criminal matter.

Wickard v. Filmore.


Regulation and licensing, yes, but the article talks about the feds arresting low level offenders. I don't see how the Commerce Clause covers a federal criminal case against a guy smoking a joint in his living room.
 
2012-12-14 09:52:53 AM

MFAWG: Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment

OTOH, if Washington State goes ahead as planned and nothing gets done it sets up a problem when some hard nosed GOPper gets elected POTUS and decides to score some easy points.


As retail selling becomes accepted publicly via other states following this path, such a thing will be quite hard to do politically - vox populii, vox dei.
 
2012-12-14 09:54:18 AM
while working at the ritz in DC there was a fundraiser for Leahy. the band was Bob Weir and Rat Dog. Since I was part the the hotel A/V crew it was my job to hangout back stage and help with their production people however I could. It was awsome.
 
2012-12-14 09:55:18 AM

imontheinternet: Regulation and licensing, yes, but the article talks about the feds arresting low level offenders. I don't see how the Commerce Clause covers a federal criminal case against a guy smoking a joint in his living room.


Nobody with any sense saw how a farmer growing a bit of wheat to feed his family affected interstate commerce either. Unfortunately, we're talking about lawyers and judges, not people with sense.
 
2012-12-14 10:00:14 AM

Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment


Such as?
 
2012-12-14 10:00:30 AM

Paul Baumer: vox populii, vox dei.


volvox, in my politics tab?
 
2012-12-14 10:02:19 AM

incendi: imontheinternet: Regulation and licensing, yes, but the article talks about the feds arresting low level offenders. I don't see how the Commerce Clause covers a federal criminal case against a guy smoking a joint in his living room.

Nobody with any sense saw how a farmer growing a bit of wheat to feed his family affected interstate commerce either. Unfortunately, we're talking about lawyers and judges, not people with sense.


Even in that case, the farmer wasn't charged criminally, but I see your point. If they really want to do it, they'll find a way, and they'll have a good shot at the courts backing them.
 
2012-12-14 10:02:55 AM

Paul Baumer: Bloody William: Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment

There will always be "More pressing issues." This is a problem that needlessly jails thousands of Americans. It bloats our prisons, limits our media treatment and therapy options for cancer and mental disorders, and continues a policy of prohibition that has absolutely no reason for being.

Baby steps. Once the commercial practice becomes established it will become that much more difficult to eliminate. Any notion that you can just hand wave away 100 years of public "Reefer Madness!" demonization is just as absurd as one that thinks the practice can be stopped through law enforcement. Let it grow and take hold, let other states begin to copy the example of Washington and Colorado, and the dominoes will fall.


Baby steps tend not to do shiat with social issues. We need short, sharp, shocks.
 
2012-12-14 10:04:02 AM
We've seen this play out before:
www.history.com

If state law subverts federal law, the state loses. Always.
 
2012-12-14 10:06:43 AM

thurstonxhowell: [media.supernova.com image 210x210]

Just remember, Leahy, what comes around is all around.


Don't you mean "what's all around comes around", Ricky?
 
2012-12-14 10:07:39 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: Paul Baumer: Like Lincoln and the Mormons "I propose to leave them alone" is an excellent answer for the time being. We really do have other more pressing issues, social, financial and foreign at the moment

Such as?

I'd rather see the President spending his electoral capital on tax reform, appropriate foreign policy responses to the evolving Middle East situations in Syria and Egypt, and keeping the pressure on the Supremes for LGBT marriage reform rather than pick a fight over something that will occur organically, albeit more slowly, regardless. Pot is not going away, and it's going to be legalized. It's just a matter of time. In the interim almost anyone in this country can obtain and use marijuana at fairly trivial risk of prosecution. So, for me it's just not a top tier problem at the moment, and an issue that would be used to cloud other more salient things in the pipeline that need to get done, and by leaving it alone to grow will encourage other states to follow suit. Fabian, and the best strategy.
 
2012-12-14 10:09:50 AM

Bloody William: Paul Baumer: Bloody William:

Baby steps tend not to do shiat with social issues. We need short, sharp, shocks.


Picking a fight over something that already is the de facto law of the land, and will guarantee obfuscation, and slow progress on other issues just doesn't seem to be the best use of resources. YMMV.
 
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