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2012-12-14 02:02:13 PM
Great headline, subby.
 
2012-12-14 02:02:56 PM
Crazy people will be crazy people.
This is a perfect example of why attempting to "control" an inanimate object such as a gun or a knife is completely ineffective.
You can't bubble wrap the world. England has tried for centuries and it simply does not work.

It's Defective People. That is where we need to focus.
 
2012-12-14 02:05:33 PM

computerguyUT: It's Defective People. That is where we need to focus.


You can't legislate crazy.
 
2012-12-14 02:06:05 PM
So, was it a semi-automatic assault knife? We must BAN ALL SHARP OBJECTS!!!!!

We must also ban anything that weighs more than 4 ounces, since heavy objects can be used as bludgeons.

Actually, we should ban everything, that way we will be safe.
 
2012-12-14 02:06:25 PM

furiousxgeorge: No deaths to knifeman. Over 20 to gunman in CT. Your jokes were really funny though guys, lol knife laws!


FTFA "A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives."
 
2012-12-14 02:07:51 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: The Stealth Hippopotamus: To bad there isn't a way to train to someone to fight with their hands. We really should invent something like that

There is only one good defense from a person with a knife: Distance.


Or a person with a gun to stop them.
 
2012-12-14 02:08:32 PM

Rapmaster2000: If more Chinamen spent time at the knife range then these thugs would think twice before picking up a blade. I personally spend several hours a day perfecting my knifery skills to protect my family, liberty, and property.

On my body I carry a dagger, a concealed cleaver, and at least two paring knifes at all times and I will NOT hesitate to execute my CONSTITUTIONAL right to stab you in the face.

I will not give in to the Ginsu Grabbers.


If you're serious about throwing knives, check out these guys.
Balance is superior to your concealed (albeit impressive) arsenal.
 
2012-12-14 02:10:16 PM
Can't they just do knife control the old fashioned way? Cut a corner off of his totin' chip?

/was told a nephew just got his. Made sure he understood that he was under "knife control".
 
2012-12-14 02:12:54 PM
Mass child attack trifecta approaching to welcome the apocalypse?
 
2012-12-14 02:14:23 PM
Supremely masterful trolling, Submittard, but do you notice a key difference between these two headlines?

"Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children" (Washington Post)

"Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children" (CNN.com)

You see it, don't you? Of course you do, even if you pretend otherwise. Let's do it again.

"Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children" (Washington Post)

"Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children" (CNN.com)

WIth a gun, mass killing is trivially easy. With a knife, mass killing is pretty difficult. You have to get right up to your victims, corner them somewhere with no way to escape, and it requires significant physical exertion. Sure, you can kill a few people, but killing 27 in one go before somebody manages to stop you is pretty damned unlikely.

So go crawl back under your rock and fark yourself, Subby. You got your cheap green, but you contributed nothing to the debate.
 
2012-12-14 02:16:01 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/china.attacks/index.htmlD o Chinese policeman carry these poles around?


Dios mio. That there is a man catcher, straight out of D+D 2nd ed.

They just might carry one in the back of the squad car. I've seen asian cops carry what I consider really long (4' or so) batons and other weirdness. I kind of like the steel mancatchers. I've long thought that police should have developed a good way to subdue armed nutjobs without flat out shooting them. Those silly things might just work.
 
2012-12-14 02:17:03 PM

palelizard: The Japan group should have had this in the bag! They farked us! How hard is it to kill nine year olds?

Zero fatality. Total loss!


Awesome.

Mer-man
 
2012-12-14 02:21:33 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons:
what the fark are you tanking about dude

also, dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. asian-american, please.


China is populated by Asian-Americans?
 
2012-12-14 02:21:51 PM

beta_plus: China needs an assault knife ban. There is no other reason to own a machete than to kill people.


I use a machete to chop down blackberry bushes and to cut corn stalks.
 
2012-12-14 02:21:52 PM
I submitted this last night while I was full of alcoholic snark juice, well before the horrible events in Connecticut, and it went green at the worst possible time ever. I'm sorry if anybody is offended.
 
2012-12-14 02:25:37 PM

gweilo8888: Supremely masterful trolling, Submittard, but do you notice a key difference between these two headlines?

"Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children" (Washington Post)

"Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children" (CNN.com)

You see it, don't you? Of course you do, even if you pretend otherwise. Let's do it again.

"Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children" (Washington Post)

"Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children" (CNN.com)

WIth a gun, mass killing is trivially easy. With a knife, mass killing is pretty difficult. You have to get right up to your victims, corner them somewhere with no way to escape, and it requires significant physical exertion. Sure, you can kill a few people, but killing 27 in one go before somebody manages to stop you is pretty damned unlikely.

So go crawl back under your rock and fark yourself, Subby. You got your cheap green, but you contributed nothing to the debate.


Whoosh.
 
2012-12-14 02:26:16 PM

gweilo8888: Supremely masterful trolling, Submittard, but do you notice a key difference between these two headlines?

"Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children" (Washington Post)

"Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children" (CNN.com)

You see it, don't you? Of course you do, even if you pretend otherwise. Let's do it again.

"Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children" (Washington Post)

"Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children" (CNN.com)

WIth a gun, mass killing is trivially easy. With a knife, mass killing is pretty difficult. You have to get right up to your victims, corner them somewhere with no way to escape, and it requires significant physical exertion. Sure, you can kill a few people, but killing 27 in one go before somebody manages to stop you is pretty damned unlikely.

So go crawl back under your rock and fark yourself, Subby. You got your cheap green, but you contributed nothing to the debate.


^This^
 
2012-12-14 02:28:22 PM

gweilo8888: Supremely masterful trolling, Submittard, but do you notice a key difference between these two headlines?

"Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children" (Washington Post)

"Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children" (CNN.com)

You see it, don't you? Of course you do, even if you pretend otherwise. Let's do it again.

"Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children" (Washington Post)

"Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children" (CNN.com)

WIth a gun, mass killing is trivially easy. With a knife, mass killing is pretty difficult. You have to get right up to your victims, corner them somewhere with no way to escape, and it requires significant physical exertion. Sure, you can kill a few people, but killing 27 in one go before somebody manages to stop you is pretty damned unlikely.

So go crawl back under your rock and fark yourself, Subby. You got your cheap green, but you contributed nothing to the debate.


/hands you a dictionary already opened to the word SARCASM...
 
2012-12-14 02:33:08 PM

violentsalvation: I submitted this last night while I was full of alcoholic snark juice, well before the horrible events in Connecticut, and it went green at the worst possible time ever. I'm sorry if anybody is offended.


Unfortunate timing, but being offended is a choice. A bad and misdirected choice in this case.
 
2012-12-14 02:33:19 PM
legacy-cdn.smosh.com

Heya, Annie!

What R U doing?

Staph.

/we need lightsaber control
 
2012-12-14 02:37:52 PM

syzygy whizz: Rapmaster2000: If more Chinamen spent time at the knife range then these thugs would think twice before picking up a blade. I personally spend several hours a day perfecting my knifery skills to protect my family, liberty, and property.

On my body I carry a dagger, a concealed cleaver, and at least two paring knifes at all times and I will NOT hesitate to execute my CONSTITUTIONAL right to stab you in the face.

I will not give in to the Ginsu Grabbers.

If you're serious about throwing knives, check out these guys.
Balance is superior to your concealed (albeit impressive) arsenal.


"Balance" is nonsense people who don't throw knives talk about. What does it even mean? Center of mass is at exactly the halfway point? That's what you need for a throwing knife, eh? Don't tell the guys who throw hatchets for competition about that. It'll really screw up their game.
 
2012-12-14 02:46:04 PM

violentsalvation: I submitted this last night while I was full of alcoholic snark juice, well before the horrible events in Connecticut, and it went green at the worst possible time ever. I'm sorry if anybody is offended.


That's sadly kind of funny. I feel bad for you. Looking back at better times, it was a good headline.
 
2012-12-14 02:47:14 PM

Oznog: /we need lightsaber control


We do if we are to prevent the Jedi from maintaining their Iranian Mullah style theocracy.
 
2012-12-14 02:50:52 PM
Knives took out three planes, two towers, and 3000+ people. Just because this guy wasn't using his correctly doesn't mean they aren't dangerous. They should be banned outright, when will you sheeple learn?
 
2012-12-14 02:51:31 PM
Yeah but that will only work if people are willing to have a calm thoughtful discussion. Hell will freeze over first.

Lumpmoose: We don't have knife control for the same reason we do have bazooka-control: the world isn't black and white and gun policy shouldn't be either.

Here's a start.

A balanced approach to gun control in the United States would require the warring sides to agree on several contentious issues. Conservative gun-rights advocates should acknowledge that if more states had stringent universal background checks-or if a federal law put these in place-more guns would be kept out of the hands of criminals and the dangerously mentally unstable. They should also acknowledge that requiring background checks on buyers at gun shows would not represent a threat to the Constitution. "The NRA position on this is a fiction," says Dan Gross, the head of the Brady Campaign. "Universal background checks are not an infringement on our Second Amendment rights. This is black-helicopter stuff." Gross believes that closing the gun-show loophole would be both extremely effective and a politically moderate and achievable goal. The gun lobby must also agree that concealed-carry permits should be granted only to people who pass rigorous criminal checks, as well as thorough training-and-safety courses.

Anti-gun advocates, meanwhile, should acknowledge that gun-control legislation is not the only answer to gun violence. Responsible gun ownership is also an answer. An enormous number of Americans believe this to be the case, and gun-control advocates do themselves no favors when they demonize gun owners, and advocates of armed self-defense, as backwoods barbarians. Liberals sometimes make the mistake of anthropomorphizing guns, ascribing to them moral characteristics they do not possess. Guns can be used to do evil, but guns can also be used to do good. Twelve years ago, in the aftermath of Matthew Shepard's murder, Jonathan Rauch launched a national movement when he wrote an article for Salon arguing that gay people should arm themselves against violent bigots. Pink Pistol clubs sprang up across Amer ...

 
2012-12-14 02:54:07 PM

BronyMedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: To bad there isn't a way to train to someone to fight with their hands. We really should invent something like that.

You do realize that engaging someone with a knife, and disarming them without getting seriously hurt in the process is a little harder than Chuck Norris movies make it look, right?


My martial arts instructor basically has this position on knives. If someone attacks you with a knife you will almost certainly get cut and you will probably get stabbed. If you know what you're doing you have a reasonable chance of not getting killed. That's about the best you can hope for.
 
2012-12-14 02:57:27 PM
When they came for our knives I didn't speak up, because I had chopsicks
 
2012-12-14 02:58:05 PM

aprentic: BronyMedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: To bad there isn't a way to train to someone to fight with their hands. We really should invent something like that.

You do realize that engaging someone with a knife, and disarming them without getting seriously hurt in the process is a little harder than Chuck Norris movies make it look, right?

My martial arts instructor basically has this position on knives. If someone attacks you with a knife you will almost certainly get cut and you will probably get stabbed. If you know what you're doing you have a reasonable chance of not getting killed. That's about the best you can hope for.


He's probably 2/3 right there. Now where's your evidence that he's the one to teach you what you should be doing? Have you seen his scars?
 
2012-12-14 03:01:26 PM

bdub77


I like to think I know a little about trying to stab someone a foot to the right of their body with the grip of a cripple.


Ah yes, gripple-fu style.
 
2012-12-14 03:09:47 PM
Too lazy to read the thread, and I'm sure that this has been pointed out, but most of these kids will survive. The 18 in Connecticut will not. So f*&k your false equivalency. And f**k your trying to score political points before these kids are even buried.

/Gun owner
/Tact owner
 
2012-12-14 03:11:42 PM

Koodz: aprentic: BronyMedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: To bad there isn't a way to train to someone to fight with their hands. We really should invent something like that.

You do realize that engaging someone with a knife, and disarming them without getting seriously hurt in the process is a little harder than Chuck Norris movies make it look, right?

My martial arts instructor basically has this position on knives. If someone attacks you with a knife you will almost certainly get cut and you will probably get stabbed. If you know what you're doing you have a reasonable chance of not getting killed. That's about the best you can hope for.

He's probably 2/3 right there. Now where's your evidence that he's the one to teach you what you should be doing? Have you seen his scars?


That's always a good question to ask about martial arts (or any other) experts. It's a difficult question though since it's generally a poor idea to test martial arts theories experimentally.
No. He has never been in a knife fight. But he's done a ton of research on it and this position has been corroborated by both Hock Hocheim and Rory Miller, when they came to do guest seminars.
 
2012-12-14 03:13:26 PM

FLMountainMan


Too lazy to read the thread


Then STFU until you can make some sense.
 
2012-12-14 03:16:00 PM
Was that Wong? Should he not have done that?
 
2012-12-14 03:26:07 PM

Koodz: aprentic: BronyMedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: To bad there isn't a way to train to someone to fight with their hands. We really should invent something like that.

You do realize that engaging someone with a knife, and disarming them without getting seriously hurt in the process is a little harder than Chuck Norris movies make it look, right?

My martial arts instructor basically has this position on knives. If someone attacks you with a knife you will almost certainly get cut and you will probably get stabbed. If you know what you're doing you have a reasonable chance of not getting killed. That's about the best you can hope for.

He's probably 2/3 right there. Now where's your evidence that he's the one to teach you what you should be doing? Have you seen his scars?


Yes. Here's one of his instructional videos.
 
2012-12-14 03:29:16 PM
China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.

Oh, good, something depressing that I in no way wanted or needed to know.

aprentic: My martial arts instructor basically has this position on knives. If someone attacks you with a knife you will almost certainly get cut and you will probably get stabbed. If you know what you're doing you have a reasonable chance of not getting killed. That's about the best you can hope for.


I think the appropriate response to a knife, assuming you can't get away, would be a bludgeon with longer reach. Chair, flip a table at them, etc. I've also heard wrapping your coat around your forearms (where defensive wounds normally occur) to reduce your risk of bleeding out from a deep cut, but never actually having gotten in a fight with someone cowardly enough to bring out a knife I couldn't really tell you.

//In situations where I'm not in a bar (that being where most of my fights have occurred) I'm actually frequently carrying, so... not a terribly relevant question, I'd just shoot 'em. Assuming it was something like a mugging where I was aware of it, obviously, if it was some sort of assassination where they came up behind me and knifed me my response would probably be to bleed and die.
 
2012-12-14 03:29:58 PM

Flakeloaf: Whoosh.


stonicus: /hands you a dictionary already opened to the word SARCASM...


You are almost certainly giving Submittard credit for far more subtlety than was actually exhibited. I rather doubt any more thought was put into the headline than a bit of trolling, and a hurr durr belief that "guns don't kill people".
 
2012-12-14 03:38:51 PM

Oznog: [legacy-cdn.smosh.com image 500x283]

Heya, Annie!

What R U doing?

Staph.

/we need lightsaber control


No we don't, the youngling population needs to be controlled, they're like badgers
 
2012-12-14 03:45:27 PM

aprentic: Koodz: aprentic: BronyMedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: To bad there isn't a way to train to someone to fight with their hands. We really should invent something like that.

You do realize that engaging someone with a knife, and disarming them without getting seriously hurt in the process is a little harder than Chuck Norris movies make it look, right?

My martial arts instructor basically has this position on knives. If someone attacks you with a knife you will almost certainly get cut and you will probably get stabbed. If you know what you're doing you have a reasonable chance of not getting killed. That's about the best you can hope for.

He's probably 2/3 right there. Now where's your evidence that he's the one to teach you what you should be doing? Have you seen his scars?

That's always a good question to ask about martial arts (or any other) experts. It's a difficult question though since it's generally a poor idea to test martial arts theories experimentally.
No. He has never been in a knife fight. But he's done a ton of research on it and this position has been corroborated by both Hock Hocheim and Rory Miller, when they came to do guest seminars.


Your instructor is correct, Anyone who trains/instructs in any form of martial blade craft will tell you that knife fighting is one of the stupidest things in which one can get involved. I've studied/trained in bladecraft for a few years with an emphasis towards pikal and bio-mechanical cutting and I wouldn't want to be involved with another person, trained or untrained, wielding a knife.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:49 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: The Stealth Hippopotamus: To bad there isn't a way to train to someone to fight with their hands. We really should invent something like that

There is only one good defense from a person with a knife: Distance.


And Terminators. A T-800 will fark a person with a knife all up.
 
2012-12-14 03:55:47 PM

HotWingConspiracy: All those kids lived.


A matter of good fortune. Knife wounds can be just as lethal as those from a firearm, and these kinds of attacks aren't unheard of in China.

There's probably nothing to read between the lines other than the fact that every society has similar problems.
 
2012-12-14 03:59:24 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Dead for Tax Reasons:
what the fark are you tanking about dude

also, dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. asian-american, please.

China is populated by Asian-Americans?



you're out of your element donnie
 
2012-12-14 04:01:23 PM

way south: HotWingConspiracy: All those kids lived.

A matter of good fortune. Knife wounds can be just as lethal as those from a firearm, and these kinds of attacks aren't unheard of in China.

There's probably nothing to read between the lines other than the fact that every society has similar problems.


A hand can be just as lethal as a gun by that measurement. Guns are far more lethal (unless you think that every military in the world are morons).
 
2012-12-14 04:26:01 PM
If somebody was knifing a dozen people every three weeks, we'd be talking knife control.
 
2012-12-14 04:29:19 PM

edmo: If somebody was knifing a dozen people every three weeks, we'd be talking knife control.


Or we'd track that guy down. He's clearly out of control.
 
2012-12-14 04:31:17 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: Knives don't kill people--people kill people. And if you outlaw knives only outlaws will have knives. You can have my knife when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. A populace armed with knives is our best defense against..um....everything.

Yeah.


Being snarky, but it still validates many of our points about guns.

So today 1 child hurt by gun
22 children hurt by knife

Point is: Crazy people who want to harm others are going to be able to harm others. Taking away a tool is not going to prevent them from hurting others as they will just use a different tool.

Properly diagnosing mental illness and taking the proper steps to treat / care for those with mental illness will reduce the frequency of these tragedies.
 
2012-12-14 04:32:19 PM

fireclown: The Stealth Hippopotamus: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/china.attacks/index.htmlD o Chinese policeman carry these poles around?

Dios mio. That there is a man catcher, straight out of D+D 2nd ed.

They just might carry one in the back of the squad car. I've seen asian cops carry what I consider really long (4' or so) batons and other weirdness. I kind of like the steel mancatchers. I've long thought that police should have developed a good way to subdue armed nutjobs without flat out shooting them. Those silly things might just work.


Actually he did. You may want to look up the costliest school killing in the US, it wasn't done with guns.
The mindset is the issue, and it looks like it's not only a US mindset, the british kindergarden school shooting comes to mind too.
 
2012-12-14 04:32:57 PM

Kazrath: trivial use of my dark powers: Knives don't kill people--people kill people. And if you outlaw knives only outlaws will have knives. You can have my knife when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. A populace armed with knives is our best defense against..um....everything.

Yeah.

Being snarky, but it still validates many of our points about guns.

So today 1 child hurt by gun
22 children hurt by knife

Point is: Crazy people who want to harm others are going to be able to harm others. Taking away a tool is not going to prevent them from hurting others as they will just use a different tool.

Properly diagnosing mental illness and taking the proper steps to treat / care for those with mental illness will reduce the frequency of these tragedies.


NM, did not make it down to the updated numbers. Was one earlier today.  Got to love the holiday season :(
 
2012-12-14 04:33:00 PM

brap: You never hear about anyone going ballistic with a spork.  By managing to be everything to everyone, sporks are the dimplomat of the cutlery world.


Riddick would, just to prove he could. One word: Teacup.
 
2012-12-14 04:44:04 PM

Flakeloaf: WhyteRaven74: You mean a place with massive economic and quality of life disparities and nothing in the way of mental health care has problems with violence? No shiat.

But this happened in China, not the US.


So of course there's no comparison.
 
2012-12-14 04:47:58 PM
no one needs a knife that sharp.
only the military should possess knives like that.
protect me!!!!
 
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