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2012-12-14 09:42:04 AM
Tron 2 was lame. Tron 1 was amazingly inventive and revolutionary. It sparked many a nerdy conversation and left you thinking about deeper issues. Tron 2 was an action movie with lots of neon
 
2012-12-14 09:42:09 AM
The guy who wrote Eragon, really? That movie was...bland.
 
2012-12-14 09:43:23 AM
A world with more Tron, good or lame is a world I want to live in.
 
2012-12-14 09:44:45 AM
images.wikia.com

NO
 
2012-12-14 09:44:56 AM
will c3po make a guest appearance?
 
2012-12-14 09:47:07 AM
The first one was like my favorite movie ever as a kid.

The second one was a really cool Daft Punk music video.

I have no interest in a third.
 
2012-12-14 09:47:59 AM

ModernPrimitive01: Tron 2 was lame. Tron 1 was amazingly inventive and revolutionary. It sparked many a nerdy conversation and left you thinking about deeper issues. Tron 2 was an action movie with lots of neon


I disagree:

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Tron 2.0 was an enjoyable, even if not innovative, first-person shooter with a storyline that was faithful to its source material.

Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science. The only real reference to computer terminology was use of the word "primitives", and I am uncertain as to whether that was an intentional reference.
 
2012-12-14 09:48:49 AM

ModernPrimitive01: Tron 2 was lame. Tron 1 was amazingly inventive and revolutionary. It sparked many a nerdy conversation and left you thinking about deeper issues. Tron 2 was an action movie with lots of neon


I wouldn't go so far as to call it lame. No, it wasn't as revolutionary as the original was, but it was a fun flick. Plus, Olivia Wilde and Beau Garrett in skin tight suits. Count me in for Tron 3, just bring back Quorra.
 
2012-12-14 09:49:34 AM

Dimensio: ModernPrimitive01: Tron 2 was lame. Tron 1 was amazingly inventive and revolutionary. It sparked many a nerdy conversation and left you thinking about deeper issues. Tron 2 was an action movie with lots of neon

I disagree:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x360]

Tron 2.0 was an enjoyable, even if not innovative, first-person shooter with a storyline that was faithful to its source material.

Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science. The only real reference to computer terminology was use of the word "primitives", and I am uncertain as to whether that was an intentional reference.


wait, how did we disagree?
 
2012-12-14 09:50:37 AM
Disney recently updated the Test Track ride at epcot. The new version is pretty much TRON without calling it tron. I dont like the new version, little to bland but it makes me wonder if a light cycle ride wouldn't kick at least 3 kinds of ass.

POV of new Ride
 
2012-12-14 09:51:30 AM
this thread needs more olivia wilde
 
2012-12-14 09:51:51 AM

ModernPrimitive01: Dimensio: ModernPrimitive01: Tron 2 was lame. Tron 1 was amazingly inventive and revolutionary. It sparked many a nerdy conversation and left you thinking about deeper issues. Tron 2 was an action movie with lots of neon

I disagree:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x360]

Tron 2.0 was an enjoyable, even if not innovative, first-person shooter with a storyline that was faithful to its source material.

Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science. The only real reference to computer terminology was use of the word "primitives", and I am uncertain as to whether that was an intentional reference.

wait, how did we disagree?


Tron 2(.0) != Tron Legacy. 

I am pedantic.

/Played Tron 2.0 after watching Tron Legacy to re-experience the correct way to write a sequel to Tron.
 
2012-12-14 09:55:22 AM
Fark yes. Loved the sequel, but fans are obviously awaiting for two more announcements for inclusion in the third:

images.hitfix.com

static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-12-14 09:55:52 AM

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: this thread needs more olivia wilde


beautiful-pics.org

Say what now?
 
2012-12-14 09:56:27 AM

Dimensio:
Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science.


Uh when was the last time you saw the first one? It has just as little regard
 
2012-12-14 09:57:03 AM

thecpt: Fark yes. Loved the sequel, but fans are obviously awaiting for two more announcements for inclusion in the third:

[images.hitfix.com image 315x217]

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


As did I.

I just pray that Jar Jar makes an appearance in Tron 3!
 
2012-12-14 09:57:17 AM
www.wallpapershdi.com

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-14 09:57:36 AM
Tron seemed to me like a classic example of a movie written by committee. There were some interesting ideas in there but none of them were explored very thoroughly or very well because they tried to do a bit of every thing. Instead of a cohesive story we got the poor bastard child of multiple idea people.
 
2012-12-14 10:04:27 AM
The second Tron movie sucked donkey balls, like they tried to make it all Matrix-y and failed miserably. It showed a complete lack of imagination and creativity. The original at least had that.
 
2012-12-14 10:04:46 AM
I heard a lot of negative things about it, so I didn't bother seeing it for a while. When I finally did, I was surprised that I enjoyed it. Maybe it was lowered expectations, but it was cool.

I'm not sure why the bonus material from the Blu ray version was cut from the film, though; it made me immediately want a sequel.

Dillinger, Jr. should be a fun storyline. Especially if the old man makes a cameo.
 
2012-12-14 10:04:51 AM

ModernPrimitive01: Dimensio: ModernPrimitive01: Tron 2 was lame. Tron 1 was amazingly inventive and revolutionary. It sparked many a nerdy conversation and left you thinking about deeper issues. Tron 2 was an action movie with lots of neon

I disagree:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x360]

Tron 2.0 was an enjoyable, even if not innovative, first-person shooter with a storyline that was faithful to its source material.

Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science. The only real reference to computer terminology was use of the word "primitives", and I am uncertain as to whether that was an intentional reference.

wait, how did we disagree?


I think he talking about Tron 2.0 being Tron 2 and Tron Legacy being a called differently. Just messing with the actual names.
 
2012-12-14 10:06:57 AM

imagonyx123: [www.wallpapershdi.com image 320x200]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 576x256]


lol.
 
2012-12-14 10:09:54 AM
Tron Legacy was the better of the two. Sorry. It's one of those films that if I flip across it on TV, I invariably find myself watching it through. The original is interesting, but just not as fun.

And as has been pointed out, Olivia Wilde + Daft Punk = so much farking win it's painful.
 
2012-12-14 10:14:26 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: And as has been pointed out, Olivia Wilde + Daft Punk = so much farking win it's painful.


This, that and the other thing
 
2012-12-14 10:14:47 AM

Dimensio: ModernPrimitive01: Tron 2 was lame. Tron 1 was amazingly inventive and revolutionary. It sparked many a nerdy conversation and left you thinking about deeper issues. Tron 2 was an action movie with lots of neon

I disagree:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x360]

Tron 2.0 was an enjoyable, even if not innovative, first-person shooter with a storyline that was faithful to its source material.

Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science. The only real reference to computer terminology was use of the word "primitives", and I am uncertain as to whether that was an intentional reference.


Heh, I liked Tron 2.0, but the visuals were kind of bland as the game went on. Weird story elements to it, too.
 
2012-12-14 10:15:19 AM

mcgreggers99: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: this thread needs more olivia wilde

[beautiful-pics.org image 850x637]

Say what now?


and i'm spent
seriously that is stupide hot
 
2012-12-14 10:19:53 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Dimensio:
Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science.

Uh when was the last time you saw the first one? It has just as little regard


The first movie incorporated some basic understanding of computer technology and use at the time. Given general public understanding of computers, and given the writer's inexperience with computer systems, the result was acceptable. It created a sufficient framework for the writers of Tron 2.0 to build a more comprehensive universe created with a deeper understanding of computer systems and updated to technology of the era.

Tron Legacy made no effort to relate its "computer" world to reality. The "system" of the original Tron was a corporate mainframe and thus served the purpose that would be served by a mainframe. Programs in Tron had been written with definable purpose; Peter Jurasik's minor character was an actuaries calculator, Tron was a security application and Master Control had originally been written as a chess program. While the original purpose of every program was not known, enough initial background was provided to create a reason for a viewer to assume that a purpose for every program did exist, even if it was not stated.

In Tron Legay, the "system" had no tangible purpose; at no time was I able to discern Kevin Flynn's "purpose" for attempting to create a "perfect system". I inferred that he planned to relate the system to life in the real world somehow, but how this relationship would ever be established was never defined. I also never understood the purpose of any program within the system; whether Tron maintained his original purpose of being a security program or whether he took on a new purpose was never stated, and I never understood what purpose CLU was intended to serve apart from being an assistant of some sort to Kevin Flynn -- but without knowing what Flynn himself had intended to accomplish with his "system", I cannot even guess as to the means by which CLU would assist. No other purpose of any other program was stated or suggested either; the function of, as an example, Zeus/Castor was never defined nor implied.

Tron at least attempted to explore the concept of a world within a computer system. Tron Legacy made no effort to retain adherence to that concept; the computer world of Tron Legacy is at best an artifact of its source material.
 
2012-12-14 10:28:55 AM

Dimensio: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Dimensio:
Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science.

Uh when was the last time you saw the first one? It has just as little regard

The first movie incorporated some basic understanding of computer technology and use at the time. Given general public understanding of computers, and given the writer's inexperience with computer systems, the result was acceptable. It created a sufficient framework for the writers of Tron 2.0 to build a more comprehensive universe created with a deeper understanding of computer systems and updated to technology of the era.

Tron Legacy made no effort to relate its "computer" world to reality. The "system" of the original Tron was a corporate mainframe and thus served the purpose that would be served by a mainframe. Programs in Tron had been written with definable purpose; Peter Jurasik's minor character was an actuaries calculator, Tron was a security application and Master Control had originally been written as a chess program. While the original purpose of every program was not known, enough initial background was provided to create a reason for a viewer to assume that a purpose for every program did exist, even if it was not stated.

In Tron Legay, the "system" had no tangible purpose; at no time was I able to discern Kevin Flynn's "purpose" for attempting to create a "perfect system". I inferred that he planned to relate the system to life in the real world somehow, but how this relationship would ever be established was never defined. I also never understood the purpose of any program within the system; whether Tron maintained his original purpose of being a security program or whether he took on a new purpose was never stated, and I never understood what purpose CLU was intended to serve apart from being an assistant of some sort to Kevin Flynn -- but without knowing what Flynn himself had intended to accomplish with his "system", I cannot ...


I desperately wanted to diss you with some kinda "cool story bro" comment, but I must admit you have a point. The plot points regarding the computer world itself are very, very vague in the sequel...
 
2012-12-14 10:30:00 AM

Parallax: I desperately wanted to diss you with some kinda "cool story bro" comment, but I must admit you have a point. The plot points regarding the computer world itself are very, very vague in the sequel...


My posting is in part a direction of rage that has resulted from an at-work incident today.
 
2012-12-14 10:31:31 AM
The story has several different pieces. Kind of a meta-plot. Some pieces between Tron 1 and 2 were in the Tron: Uprising animated series and some other tie-ins were part of the story of the last Tron game.

Not the best way to film a major picture, but the whole storyline is actually really well done once you get tidbits all put together.
 
2012-12-14 10:31:32 AM

Dimensio: In Tron Legay, the "system" had no tangible purpose; at no time was I able to discern Kevin Flynn's "purpose" for attempting to create a "perfect system". I inferred that he planned to relate the system to life in the real world somehow, but how this relationship would ever be established was never defined. I also never understood the purpose of any program within the system; whether Tron maintained his original purpose of being a security program or whether he took on a new purpose was never stated, and I never understood what purpose CLU was intended to serve apart from being an assistant of some sort to Kevin Flynn -- but without knowing what Flynn himself had intended to accomplish with his "system", I cannot even guess as to the means by which CLU would assist. No other purpose of any other program was stated or suggested either; the function of, as an example, Zeus/Castor was never defined nor implied.


I always thought that CLU was a new version of what the Master Control was. He was tasked to "Create the Perfect World" inside the System as well as maintain it while Flynn was not there. All the programs we see walking around were not all functions but were sprites that existed for the sake of existing. Tron kept him original security program but acted as a body guard for Flynn till he was rewritten into his character in Legacy.
 
2012-12-14 10:35:50 AM
I enjoyed Tron Legacy as much as I enjoyed the first one, neither one of them was very detail oriented. This is somewhat like the dislike of the Star Wars episode 3. No it's not really a cinematic masterpiece and yes it's pretty cheesy at times but so was the original trilogy.

/lets not speak of episodes 1 and 2
//fark those movies
 
2012-12-14 10:41:47 AM

FunkyBlue: The story has several different pieces. Kind of a meta-plot. Some pieces between Tron 1 and 2 were in the Tron: Uprising animated series and some other tie-ins were part of the story of the last Tron game.

Not the best way to film a major picture, but the whole storyline is actually really well done once you get tidbits all put together.


Star Wars did that between Episode 2 and 3. The Mini (or was it Micro) series The Clone Wars was supposed to set up Episode 3. So if you missed that little series. The space battle and the Emperor being kidnapped at the beginning of the movie does not make any sense.
 
2012-12-14 10:44:54 AM

Dimensio: In Tron Legay, the "system" had no tangible purpose; at no time was I able to discern Kevin Flynn's "purpose" for attempting to create a "perfect system". I inferred that he planned to relate the system to life in the real world somehow, but how this relationship would ever be established was never defined. I also never understood the purpose of any program within the system; whether Tron maintained his original purpose of being a security program or whether he took on a new purpose was never stated, and I never understood what purpose CLU was intended to serve apart from being an assistant of some sort to Kevin Flynn -- but without knowing what Flynn himself had intended to accomplish with his "system", I cannot even guess as to the means by which CLU would assist. No other purpose of any other program was stated or suggested either; the function of, as an example, Zeus/Castor was never defined nor implied.

Tron at least attempted to explore the concept of a world within a computer system. Tron Legacy made no effort to retain adherence to that concept; the computer world of Tron Legacy is at best an artifact of its source material.


I will agree that Legacy was more about style than deep story, but some of these things were at least implied. Flynn was attempting to make the system into a civilization, and CLU was there to maintain it when he was out of the system, and given the amount of time in a cycle vs time when flynn was out of the system, that makes perfect sense. The programs made themselves into a free civilization and CLU had his ultimate goal of imposing will, while Flynn wanted a reflection of our civilization so he could help solve its problems. The radical change were the primitives and how Flynn and CLU perceived them. Tron was still an "enforcer" program and was reprogrammed as CLU's right hand man and tool of the system and not the user. I thought it was a coherent story and the only BS moment was with Flynn and CLU on the bridge.
 
2012-12-14 10:46:20 AM

yves0010: Dimensio: In Tron Legay, the "system" had no tangible purpose; at no time was I able to discern Kevin Flynn's "purpose" for attempting to create a "perfect system". I inferred that he planned to relate the system to life in the real world somehow, but how this relationship would ever be established was never defined. I also never understood the purpose of any program within the system; whether Tron maintained his original purpose of being a security program or whether he took on a new purpose was never stated, and I never understood what purpose CLU was intended to serve apart from being an assistant of some sort to Kevin Flynn -- but without knowing what Flynn himself had intended to accomplish with his "system", I cannot even guess as to the means by which CLU would assist. No other purpose of any other program was stated or suggested either; the function of, as an example, Zeus/Castor was never defined nor implied.

I always thought that CLU was a new version of what the Master Control was. He was tasked to "Create the Perfect World" inside the System as well as maintain it while Flynn was not there. All the programs we see walking around were not all functions but were sprites that existed for the sake of existing. Tron kept him original security program but acted as a body guard for Flynn till he was rewritten into his character in Legacy.


Master Control was a chess program that was extended to new purposes, until it eventually became self-aware and ambitious enough to desire to take over all system functions for itself. It was not attempting to "perfect" the corporate mainframe; it was attempting to dominate it and, eventually, other systems.

CLU's supposed purpose was the continued pursuit of Flynn's original goal of a "perfect system", but a "perfect system" is an undefined concept. "Perfection" requires context to be meaningful; "perfection" according to one standard may be "imperfect" according to another. A "perfect" shade of blue would be "imperfect" if attempting to create a "perfect" shade of purple. Without knowing Flynn's initial standards, I have no understanding of what he was attempting to accomplish. An argument could be created that a "perfect" system is one that can readily accommodate imperfect elements, in which case CLU's behaviour was counterproductive.
 
2012-12-14 10:55:12 AM

Dimensio: yves0010: Dimensio: In Tron Legay, the "system" had no tangible purpose; at no time was I able to discern Kevin Flynn's "purpose" for attempting to create a "perfect system". I inferred that he planned to relate the system to life in the real world somehow, but how this relationship would ever be established was never defined. I also never understood the purpose of any program within the system; whether Tron maintained his original purpose of being a security program or whether he took on a new purpose was never stated, and I never understood what purpose CLU was intended to serve apart from being an assistant of some sort to Kevin Flynn -- but without knowing what Flynn himself had intended to accomplish with his "system", I cannot even guess as to the means by which CLU would assist. No other purpose of any other program was stated or suggested either; the function of, as an example, Zeus/Castor was never defined nor implied.

I always thought that CLU was a new version of what the Master Control was. He was tasked to "Create the Perfect World" inside the System as well as maintain it while Flynn was not there. All the programs we see walking around were not all functions but were sprites that existed for the sake of existing. Tron kept him original security program but acted as a body guard for Flynn till he was rewritten into his character in Legacy.

Master Control was a chess program that was extended to new purposes, until it eventually became self-aware and ambitious enough to desire to take over all system functions for itself. It was not attempting to "perfect" the corporate mainframe; it was attempting to dominate it and, eventually, other systems.

CLU's supposed purpose was the continued pursuit of Flynn's original goal of a "perfect system", but a "perfect system" is an undefined concept. "Perfection" requires context to be meaningful; "perfection" according to one standard may be "imperfect" according to another. A "perfect" shade of blue would be ...


I got the idea that what CLU felt was a "perfect system" was order and adherence to a set of strict parameters that while they weren't explicitly stated, didn't include the genesis of ISO's. He saw them as a glitch, an imperfection that wasn't accounted for in the system and as such they needed to be eliminated. Flynn didn't agree with that which is why he and CLU came into conflict.
 
2012-12-14 10:58:39 AM

Dimensio: Master Control was a chess program that was extended to new purposes, until it eventually became self-aware and ambitious enough to desire to take over all system functions for itself. It was not attempting to "perfect" the corporate mainframe; it was attempting to dominate it and, eventually, other systems.

CLU's supposed purpose was the continued pursuit of Flynn's original goal of a "perfect system", but a "perfect system" is an undefined concept. "Perfection" requires context to be meaningful; "perfection" according to one standard may be "imperfect" according to another. A "perfect" shade of blue would be "imperfect" if attempting to create a "perfect" shade of purple. Without knowing Flynn's initial standards, I have no understanding of what he was attempting to accomplish. An argument could be created that a "perfect" system is one that can readily accommodate imperfect elements, in which case CLU's behaviour was counterproductive.


I knew what the MCP was before he became the MCP. I just used that as a context example. CLU being made to create the perfect system. And CLU did work close with Flynn until the Isometric Algorithms were randomly created. Then Flynn's vision changed but CLU's program did not which could explain his corruption.

The whole concept of perfection was a minor subplot that was not really explored to its fullest. They made comments about how CLU wanted perfection and if he someone got to the real world, he would pretty much nuke us into nonexistence.
 
2012-12-14 11:08:20 AM

Orgasmatron138: I heard a lot of negative things about it, so I didn't bother seeing it for a while. When I finally did, I was surprised that I enjoyed it. Maybe it was lowered expectations, but it was cool.

I'm not sure why the bonus material from the Blu ray version was cut from the film, though; it made me immediately want a sequel.

Dillinger, Jr. should be a fun storyline. Especially if the old man makes a cameo.


I really enjoyed the sequel as well. People can hate on it all they want but the truth is the original wasn't all that great. It hasn't aged well either. I have seen both movies and the recent sequel is a fun, well crafted movie. I could give a shiat if its not as "deep" as the original.
 
2012-12-14 11:14:05 AM
Loved the first Tron, I'll echo the "favoritiest movie ever" from when I was a kid.

I did not go to see Tron 2 hoping to see a faithful maintenance of the franchise and it's ethos; I went to watch a kick-ass two hour long Daft Punk music video, which it was, and more.

Only thing I really, REALLY didn't like about T:L was how hard they tried to mold everything to the religion subtext that was established. I get that it was intentional and supposedly served an artistic purpose, but halfway through the movie I wanted to stand up and yell WE GET IT ALREADY, HE'S JESUS, CLU'S THE DEVIL, AND THIS IS PURGATORY. ENOUGH.
 
2012-12-14 11:14:18 AM

Orgasmatron138: Dillinger, Jr. should be a fun storyline. Especially if the old man makes a cameo.


My personal favorite idea for the sequel is that Dillinger Jr. finds a copy of the old MCP in some old stash of his dads stuff along with clues that lead him to find out about Flynn's little virtual world that Sam has on a chain around his neck. He steals the virtual world, does some reverse engineering and throws an updated MCP into the mix and it starts having an effect on the real world, which is where Sam and Quorra come in.
 
2012-12-14 11:14:37 AM
More, please.

images12.fotki.com
 
2012-12-14 11:18:16 AM

error 303: The first one was like my favorite movie ever as a kid.

The second one was a really cool Daft Punk music video.

I have no interest in a third.


the chick was hot tho
 
2012-12-14 11:24:14 AM
Tron Legacy was a great movie to see with my kids, was our first 3D experience (which was well-done and perfect for the sciency/techy plot of the movie) and was all around fun.

Many of the critics here forget movies are to entertain and simply enjoy sucking the joy out of things like some pathetic belly-showing nut-hugger-shorts-wearing comic book store guy.
 
2012-12-14 11:25:05 AM
www.moviespad.com
In theory, this character has absolutely no idea what sex is. This alone makes Tron 3 a worthy endeavour.

/I would so tongue punch her USB port.
 
2012-12-14 11:25:07 AM

hogans: [images.wikia.com image 539x517]

NO


You have won this thread. I applaud you, sir.
 
2012-12-14 11:25:30 AM

error 303:
The second one was a really cool Daft Punk music video.



This.

Thank you. I've been saying this since it came out.
 
2012-12-14 11:28:28 AM
The problem I saw with the income/expenditure ratio for TRON: Legacy wasn't necessarily the movie's budget, but the absurd amount of marketing that Disney put into it. Numbers I recall seeing showed that they spent more on marketing than the movie budget itself.
 
2012-12-14 11:29:30 AM

Dinjiin: More, please.

[images12.fotki.com image 800x500]


Unless Castor/Zuse had an escape plan, she is alas blow'd up along with Ziggy Stardust Zuse
 
2012-12-14 11:29:44 AM
The purpose of the grid is so that Flynn can play God

If you think about it, Flynn created a computer universe which he can sculpt and mold as he wishes. He can create programs that can think and feel for itself. He can come down from the real, physical world to visit and interact with his creation much like God. CLU, like Lucifer knew Flynn/God's plan for the universe, didn't like it, and tried to create his own version of the universe. CLU knew that there was another plain of reality and wanted to overtake that other reality much like Lucifer storming the gates of Heaven.

Also, like God, Flynn can fix damaged programs and correct any glitches basically he can eliminate all pain and suffering and create a paradise for his creations to live in. So, is Flynn an a$$hole? Because when he leaves the grid he can't fix damaged programs or glitches since he's not there physically. Doesn't he have an obligation to look after his creation? Is he a bad god?

There are programs that created themselves and come out of the darkness to the grid. Flynn didn't create them and wonders how they came into being. They are exterminated by CLU but if they created themselves it makes you wonder if they can ever really be destroyed forever as where do they really go after death?

Plus, can a User extend their natural life by living solely in the grid? Flynn said that minutes and hours in the real world was days and months in the grid. If a User's physical body is downloaded to the grid, can't someone go into their program and delete any undesired medical conditions? Say you have cancer, well download to the grid and live there for as long as it takes for someone in the reall world to adjust your program to eliminate all the cancer cells. You upload back to the real world in a new physical body that is now free of cancer. Remember how the laser thingee makes a users physical body disappear when downloading to the grid and reappear when uploading? Why can't it eliminate certain medical issues?
 
2012-12-14 11:31:41 AM
I have been overcome by an intense wave of indifference.
 
2012-12-14 11:31:47 AM
As long as Daft Punk is involved again, DO WANT
 
2012-12-14 11:35:12 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-14 11:35:33 AM

MadCat221: The problem I saw with the income/expenditure ratio for TRON: Legacy wasn't necessarily the movie's budget, but the absurd amount of marketing that Disney put into it. Numbers I recall seeing showed that they spent more on marketing than the movie budget itself.


Ironically, I didn't see much advertising for the movie. I think someone at Disney was doing creative accounting.
 
2012-12-14 11:35:40 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: Plus, can a User extend their natural life by living solely in the grid? Flynn said that minutes and hours in the real world was days and months in the grid. If a User's physical body is downloaded to the grid, can't someone go into their program and delete any undesired medical conditions? Say you have cancer, well download to the grid and live there for as long as it takes for someone in the reall world to adjust your program to eliminate all the cancer cells. You upload back to the real world in a new physical body that is now free of cancer. Remember how the laser thingee makes a users physical body disappear when downloading to the grid and reappear when uploading? Why can't it eliminate certain medical issues?


That's something that was actually hinted at in the movie when Flynn talks about how the ISO's would revolutionize the world as they know it.
 
2012-12-14 11:41:55 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: The purpose of the grid is so that Flynn can play God

If you think about it, Flynn created a computer universe which he can sculpt and mold as he wishes. He can create programs that can think and feel for itself. He can come down from the real, physical world to visit and interact with his creation much like God. CLU, like Lucifer knew Flynn/God's plan for the universe, didn't like it, and tried to create his own version of the universe. CLU knew that there was another plain of reality and wanted to overtake that other reality much like Lucifer storming the gates of Heaven.

Also, like God, Flynn can fix damaged programs and correct any glitches basically he can eliminate all pain and suffering and create a paradise for his creations to live in. So, is Flynn an a$$hole? Because when he leaves the grid he can't fix damaged programs or glitches since he's not there physically. Doesn't he have an obligation to look after his creation? Is he a bad god?

There are programs that created themselves and come out of the darkness to the grid. Flynn didn't create them and wonders how they came into being. They are exterminated by CLU but if they created themselves it makes you wonder if they can ever really be destroyed forever as where do they really go after death?

Plus, can a User extend their natural life by living solely in the grid? Flynn said that minutes and hours in the real world was days and months in the grid. If a User's physical body is downloaded to the grid, can't someone go into their program and delete any undesired medical conditions? Say you have cancer, well download to the grid and live there for as long as it takes for someone in the reall world to adjust your program to eliminate all the cancer cells. You upload back to the real world in a new physical body that is now free of cancer. Remember how the laser thingee makes a users physical body disappear when downloading to the grid and reappear when uploading? Why can't it eliminate cer ...


yarmarge.typepad.com
 
2012-12-14 11:46:02 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: [www.moviespad.com image 410x513]
In theory, this character has absolutely no idea what sex is. This alone makes Tron 3 a worthy endeavour.

/I would so tongue punch her USB port.


Just stay away from her SATA connector. She doesn't wipe.
 
2012-12-14 11:48:12 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Summer Glau's Love Slave: [www.moviespad.com image 410x513]
In theory, this character has absolutely no idea what sex is. This alone makes Tron 3 a worthy endeavour.

/I would so tongue punch her USB port.

Just stay away from her SATA connector. She doesn't wipe.


No problem! I wipe my hard drive all the time!

//wait, what?
 
2012-12-14 11:49:01 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: The purpose of the grid is so that Flynn can play God

If you think about it, Flynn created a computer universe which he can sculpt and mold as he wishes. He can create programs that can think and feel for itself. He can come down from the real, physical world to visit and interact with his creation much like God. CLU, like Lucifer knew Flynn/God's plan for the universe, didn't like it, and tried to create his own version of the universe. CLU knew that there was another plain of reality and wanted to overtake that other reality much like Lucifer storming the gates of Heaven.

Also, like God, Flynn can fix damaged programs and correct any glitches basically he can eliminate all pain and suffering and create a paradise for his creations to live in. So, is Flynn an a$$hole? Because when he leaves the grid he can't fix damaged programs or glitches since he's not there physically. Doesn't he have an obligation to look after his creation? Is he a bad god?

There are programs that created themselves and come out of the darkness to the grid. Flynn didn't create them and wonders how they came into being. They are exterminated by CLU but if they created themselves it makes you wonder if they can ever really be destroyed forever as where do they really go after death?

Plus, can a User extend their natural life by living solely in the grid? Flynn said that minutes and hours in the real world was days and months in the grid. If a User's physical body is downloaded to the grid, can't someone go into their program and delete any undesired medical conditions? Say you have cancer, well download to the grid and live there for as long as it takes for someone in the reall world to adjust your program to eliminate all the cancer cells. You upload back to the real world in a new physical body that is now free of cancer. Remember how the laser thingee makes a users physical body disappear when downloading to the grid and reappear when uploading? Why can't it eliminate cer ...


That was one of the things that was mentioned briefly in the opening of the movie. What could be a medical break through a long with science, religion and everything else. But seeing that Sam was cut while on the grid and he bled. I would say, no, a physical body does not become a digital one that can be rewritten like a digital one can be.
 
2012-12-14 11:49:11 AM
The Ducati motorcycle scene (where he's pulled over by a beemer cop) in the recent film was just farking awesome. They used a real rider on a racetrack with the exact bike to record the engine noise and dub on the film. It's little details like that I appreciate.

Yes, I am a tremendous motorcycle nerd. Always have been. Always will be, presuming I keep living.

Pops.
 
2012-12-14 11:49:58 AM
Why is Tron Legacy getting so much flack?

-Man created program in his image to his work while he was away
-New programs emerge that are deemed not-needed by the image
-New program is capable of helping mankind
-Man tries to stop his own creation and save new program and fails
-Image deems current system "perfect" and wishes to expand into the real world
-Calls the son of it's creator and let the games begin.

The whole movie was basically God and his Son beating up the Holy Spirit or by a huge stretch kind of like that kids show ReBoot from the 90s, just without the technological puns and well actual technological background.

/Alphanumeric!
 
2012-12-14 11:50:35 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tron Legacy was the better of the two. Sorry. It's one of those films that if I flip across it on TV, I invariably find myself watching it through. The original is interesting, but just not as fun.

And as has been pointed out, Olivia Wilde + Daft Punk = so much farking win it's painful.


Here's the problem. If you didn't see the original in a theatre at its initial release you just can't "get" it. You have to understand that computers weren't as prevalent as they are today, and the people that had them were dealing with screen resolutions that were much worse then average smart phone of today. You also never saw computer generated images in a film, and that's what made the original so groundbreaking. At the time those cgi shots were absolutely breathtaking since you had never seen anything like that. It was like a glimpse of the future, and not only have we gotten that far we have surpassed it enough to where people who weren't there look at the movie and can't understand how old people get so worked up over it. For myself, the story, while also groundbreaking, wasn't really the star of the show it was the computer generated images. Well and the fact that my Dad took me and my brother to see it, and we were so blown away we just sat through to the next showing and watched it twice. Didn't buy more tickets, nothing, just sat there like the nerdy rebels we were.

When Tron Legacy came out I took Dad and bought tickets to sit through it twice. Not quite as rebellious, but it was a cool moment for both of us. I am sure I will do the same for the third movie as well. For the record, my 70 year old Dad is in love with the Daft Punk soundtrack on Legacy. I'm definitely a second generation nerd.
 
2012-12-14 11:58:30 AM
Yes please.
 
2012-12-14 12:00:47 PM

Do the needful: When Tron Legacy came out I took Dad and bought tickets to sit through it twice. Not quite as rebellious, but it was a cool moment for both of us. I am sure I will do the same for the third movie as well. For the record, my 70 year old Dad is in love with the Daft Punk soundtrack on Legacy. I'm definitely a second generation nerd.


I think we've talked about this before on here, but I just wanted to add that it's my favorite IMax 3D experience to date. I couldn't choose what to focus on more between the sound, the visuals, and the movie itself.

dickfreckle: Yes, I am a tremendous motorcycle nerd. Always have been. Always will be, presuming I keep living.


That scene makes me want to buy a motorcycle every time I watch it.
 
2012-12-14 12:03:54 PM

yves0010: That was one of the things that was mentioned briefly in the opening of the movie. What could be a medical break through a long with science, religion and everything else. But seeing that Sam was cut while on the grid and he bled. I would say, no, a physical body does not become a digital one that can be rewritten like a digital one can be.


The body itself may not become digital, but everything about the user becomes encoded onto their data disk once they get one. It was implied that part of this data is everything physical about them, to include injuries and whatnot. Now say someone with the skill could alter the data on the disk to remove whatever disease and whatnot. Remember, the disk was required for them to be able to re enter the real world. The imaging laser or what have you uses that data disk to encode your body on the reality side of things and bam, back to perfect. At least that was my take on things.
 
2012-12-14 12:13:36 PM

thecpt: Do the needful: When Tron Legacy came out I took Dad and bought tickets to sit through it twice. Not quite as rebellious, but it was a cool moment for both of us. I am sure I will do the same for the third movie as well. For the record, my 70 year old Dad is in love with the Daft Punk soundtrack on Legacy. I'm definitely a second generation nerd.

I think we've talked about this before on here, but I just wanted to add that it's my favorite IMax 3D experience to date. I couldn't choose what to focus on more between the sound, the visuals, and the movie itself.


I have to agree. Even with the original the sound was unique. There is/was an article that one of the sound guys had an Atari 800 and used it to help create some of the sounds for the movie. As an owner of the Atari 800 at the time (and still own it) this really made it even cooler.

thecpt: That scene makes me want to buy a motorcycle every time I watch it.


Get one! As a lifelong motorcycle rider I would be remiss if I didn't encourage you. Take the MSF course and be careful. If done right you can enjoy a lifetime of that same feeling.
 
2012-12-14 12:24:30 PM
"They're saying there might be another adventure for us, Kestor!"
idigitalcitizen.files.wordpress.com
"Well then here's to our last drink together, I'd rather blow up the bar than dress up like this again."
 
2012-12-14 12:25:26 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: yves0010: That was one of the things that was mentioned briefly in the opening of the movie. What could be a medical break through a long with science, religion and everything else. But seeing that Sam was cut while on the grid and he bled. I would say, no, a physical body does not become a digital one that can be rewritten like a digital one can be.

The body itself may not become digital, but everything about the user becomes encoded onto their data disk once they get one. It was implied that part of this data is everything physical about them, to include injuries and whatnot. Now say someone with the skill could alter the data on the disk to remove whatever disease and whatnot. Remember, the disk was required for them to be able to re enter the real world. The imaging laser or what have you uses that data disk to encode your body on the reality side of things and bam, back to perfect. At least that was my take on things.


That's what I was thinking! When you get re-uploaded to the physical world why can't the laser thingee just not add the cancer cells, diseases, broken limb, etc.,. you were originally downloaded with?

Plus, you could eliminate so much humanitarian disasters simply by downloading people to the grid! The grid seems to have an unlimited supply of resources, food, water, living space, etc.,. that you could have people just download and stay in the grid permanently to alieve problems in the real world. Voluntarily of course! "hmmm....live in a third world country and face ethnic cleansing, famine, high crime, etc.,. or live in the grid where all my phyiscal needs are met?"

I love the Tron movies and the movies also generated so many interesting things to think about! Tron makes more sense than the Matrix.
 
2012-12-14 12:26:25 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: [www.moviespad.com image 410x513]
In theory, this character has absolutely no idea what sex is. This alone makes Tron 3 a worthy endeavour.

/I would so tongue punch her USB port.


Post of the year.
 
2012-12-14 12:26:37 PM
Too much stuff which is not Olivia Wilde
 
2012-12-14 12:28:44 PM
Meh.
 
2012-12-14 12:32:15 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: I love the Tron movies and the movies also generated so many interesting things to think about! Tron makes more sense than the Matrix.


Disagree. Plugging people into a computer network and feeding signals to their brains seems far more plausible than transporting their entire body into a computer. Plus, the latter comes with the whole "transporter" scenario: you'd just be murdering the individual and creating a copy with a separate consciousness that doesn't realize it isn't the original.
 
2012-12-14 12:32:33 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Summer Glau's Love Slave: [www.moviespad.com image 410x513]
In theory, this character has absolutely no idea what sex is. This alone makes Tron 3 a worthy endeavour.

/I would so tongue punch her USB port.

Post of the year.


Possibly....best of December easily
 
2012-12-14 12:35:24 PM

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: mcgreggers99: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: this thread needs more olivia wilde

Say what now?

and i'm spent
seriously that is stupide hot


END OF LINE.
 
2012-12-14 12:36:39 PM

Do the needful: For the record, my 70 year old Dad is in love with the Daft Punk soundtrack on Legacy.


Your dad sounds awesome.
 
2012-12-14 12:42:51 PM
Cyberspace being a real place we can visit will be hard to make plausible again. Tron 2 Suckage Boogaloo was not remotely believable.
 
2012-12-14 12:47:30 PM

macdaddy357: Cyberspace being a real place we can visit will be hard to make plausible again. Tron 2 Suckage Boogaloo was not remotely believable.


Again? It was never plausible in the first place. I mean yeah there's suspension of disbelief but let's not kid ourselves, the concept of a laser derezzing someone and planting you in cyberspace was never what you'd call plausible or realistic. I enjoyed both of the movies and the questions they asked, not to mention the eyecandy and cool visuals, but I never once thought anything I was seeing was plausible.
 
2012-12-14 01:29:09 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: I love the Tron movies and the movies also generated so many interesting things to think about! Tron makes more sense than the Matrix.

Disagree. Plugging people into a computer network and feeding signals to their brains seems far more plausible than transporting their entire body into a computer. Plus, the latter comes with the whole "transporter" scenario: you'd just be murdering the individual and creating a copy with a separate consciousness that doesn't realize it isn't the original.


Um....yeah.....but...er.....um.....like...what if....what if Zion, the robot-war, the creation of the matrix, is itself another matrix? 1% of humanity doesn't accept the matrix so why wouldn't 1% of the1% not accept Zion? Humans farmed for energy? WTF? Also, no offense to anyone but most computer geeks are not buffed dudes and hot chicks who like to wear weird fetish clothes to blend in...just sayin'.

And I think when a user dies in the grid, their program is "de-rezed" (?) which I think means deleted. So you couldn't create another individual/clone who died in the grid with the laser thingee as their program was deleted.

You do bring up the issue of clones, could you create an infinite number of a particular individual thanks to the grid and the laser thingee?

Keep downloading someone over and over again to the grid or to the real world. Is there really any limitations to copying a program over and over again?

Did Flynn also create teleportation?

Send a laser thingee to mars and set it up with remote controlled robots. Download some astronauts/colonists here on Earth to the grid, upload them on Mars....boom...I just created teleportation and human space travel over incredible distances is now possible!!!
 
2012-12-14 01:30:23 PM

ModernPrimitive01: Tron 2 was lame. Tron 1 was amazingly inventive and revolutionary. It sparked many a nerdy conversation and left you thinking about deeper issues. Tron 2 was an action movie a video game with lots of neon


FTFY
 
2012-12-14 01:39:44 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: I love the Tron movies and the movies also generated so many interesting things to think about! Tron makes more sense than the Matrix.

Disagree. Plugging people into a computer network and feeding signals to their brains seems far more plausible than transporting their entire body into a computer. Plus, the latter comes with the whole "transporter" scenario: you'd just be murdering the individual and creating a copy with a separate consciousness that doesn't realize it isn't the original.

Um....yeah.....but...er.....um.....like...what if....what if Zion, the robot-war, the creation of the matrix, is itself another matrix? 1% of humanity doesn't accept the matrix so why wouldn't 1% of the1% not accept Zion? Humans farmed for energy? WTF? Also, no offense to anyone but most computer geeks are not buffed dudes and hot chicks who like to wear weird fetish clothes to blend in...just sayin'.

And I think when a user dies in the grid, their program is "de-rezed" (?) which I think means deleted. So you couldn't create another individual/clone who died in the grid with the laser thingee as their program was deleted.

You do bring up the issue of clones, could you create an infinite number of a particular individual thanks to the grid and the laser thingee?

Keep downloading someone over and over again to the grid or to the real world. Is there really any limitations to copying a program over and over again?

Did Flynn also create teleportation?

Send a laser thingee to mars and set it up with remote controlled robots. Download some astronauts/colonists here on Earth to the grid, upload them on Mars....boom...I just created teleportation and human space travel over incredible distances is now possible!!!


I'm guessing the matter / energy part may stop making additional copies of people ...unless you just upload an equal mass of dirt or scrap furniture, turn that into energy, then convert that energy into the matter of a clone.

And yes: teleportation should be as easy as sending an email.

/you wouldn't download an Olivia Wilde...
//...actually: screw that, yes I would.
 
2012-12-14 01:40:01 PM

JustHereForThePics: No problem! I wipe my hard drive all the time!


*cough* Floppy */cough*
 
2012-12-14 01:40:09 PM

MadCat221: Unless Castor/Zuse had an escape plan, she is alas blow'd up along with Ziggy Stardust Zuse


mcp# tar -czf /nfs/nas6/backup/programs/gem.tgz /usr/local/bin/Gem
..
guards# rm -f /usr/local/bin/Gem
..
somehero# cd /usr/local/bin/
somehero# tar -xzf /nfs/nas6/backup/programs/gem.tgz


FTFY
 
2012-12-14 02:25:06 PM

Dinjiin: More, please.
images12.fotki.com

1.bp.blogspot.com
1.bp.blogspot.com
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-14 02:26:21 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Do the needful: For the record, my 70 year old Dad is in love with the Daft Punk soundtrack on Legacy.

Your dad sounds awesome.


My dad isn't quite 70, but feels the same way. (About the movies/soundtrack, not that guy's dad). 2nd generation nerd for sure; he was running a mac-only BBS out of our basement over a bank of 28.8 and 33.6 modems in 91-92? I was small; all I cared about was getting to have my friends over and play 8 way games of Marathon 2 and Spectre VR on our appletalk network.

/3rd generation nerd due in june
//one of my most pressing concerns is coming up with a timeline of age-appropriate movies to watch as he grows
///defaulting to male pronoun
 
2012-12-14 02:27:31 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: I love the Tron movies and the movies also generated so many interesting things to think about! Tron makes more sense than the Matrix.

Disagree. Plugging people into a computer network and feeding signals to their brains seems far more plausible than transporting their entire body into a computer. Plus, the latter comes with the whole "transporter" scenario: you'd just be murdering the individual and creating a copy with a separate consciousness that doesn't realize it isn't the original.

Um....yeah.....but...er.....um.....like...what if....what if Zion, the robot-war, the creation of the matrix, is itself another matrix? 1% of humanity doesn't accept the matrix so why wouldn't 1% of the1% not accept Zion? Humans farmed for energy? WTF? Also, no offense to anyone but most computer geeks are not buffed dudes and hot chicks who like to wear weird fetish clothes to blend in...just sayin'.

And I think when a user dies in the grid, their program is "de-rezed" (?) which I think means deleted. So you couldn't create another individual/clone who died in the grid with the laser thingee as their program was deleted.

You do bring up the issue of clones, could you create an infinite number of a particular individual thanks to the grid and the laser thingee?

Keep downloading someone over and over again to the grid or to the real world. Is there really any limitations to copying a program over and over again?

Did Flynn also create teleportation?

Send a laser thingee to mars and set it up with remote controlled robots. Download some astronauts/colonists here on Earth to the grid, upload them on Mars....boom...I just created teleportation and human space travel over incredible distances is now possible!!!


But you KILLED them, dammit! You killed the person and re-built a new one on Mars! TELEPORTERS = MURDER!!!! And what's worse, everyone you "teleport" insists they're fine, because they don't know any better! We'll be a culture of mass murder and naive clones and no one will know...we'll just go about our lives repeatedly killing ourselves and not ever knowing the difference.

/just kidding
//but not really
 
2012-12-14 02:54:31 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: I love the Tron movies and the movies also generated so many interesting things to think about! Tron makes more sense than the Matrix.

Disagree. Plugging people into a computer network and feeding signals to their brains seems far more plausible than transporting their entire body into a computer. Plus, the latter comes with the whole "transporter" scenario: you'd just be murdering the individual and creating a copy with a separate consciousness that doesn't realize it isn't the original.

Um....yeah.....but...er.....um.....like...what if....what if Zion, the robot-war, the creation of the matrix, is itself another matrix? 1% of humanity doesn't accept the matrix so why wouldn't 1% of the1% not accept Zion? Humans farmed for energy? WTF? Also, no offense to anyone but most computer geeks are not buffed dudes and hot chicks who like to wear weird fetish clothes to blend in...just sayin'.

And I think when a user dies in the grid, their program is "de-rezed" (?) which I think means deleted. So you couldn't create another individual/clone who died in the grid with the laser thingee as their program was deleted.

You do bring up the issue of clones, could you create an infinite number of a particular individual thanks to the grid and the laser thingee?

Keep downloading someone over and over again to the grid or to the real world. Is there really any limitations to copying a program over and over again?

Did Flynn also create teleportation?

Send a laser thingee to mars and set it up with remote controlled robots. Download some astronauts/colonists here on Earth to the grid, upload them on Mars....boom...I just created teleportation and human space travel over incredible distances is now possible!!!

But you KILLED them, dammit! You killed the person and re-built a new one on Mars! TELEPORTERS = MURDER!!!! And what's worse, everyone you "teleport" insists they're fine, because they don't know any better! We'l ...


But you are assuming souls are transferrable and maybe like in Total Recall you are not necessarily defined by your memories? There is also the Star Wars Stormtrooper dilemma. They are all clones but differ in personalities and have their own conscious.

I was also thinking that BSG: CAPRICA kind of makes sense. Your body dies in the real world while you are in the virtual world and you end up trapped in the virtual world. So if you now die in the virtual world you are dead period? No place for your conscious to transfer. How would you know the afterlife from the virtual world?

*Couldn't finish the season after I found out they cancelled the show.
 
2012-12-14 03:08:27 PM

Do the needful: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: You also never saw computer generated images in a film, and that's what made the original so groundbreaking. At the time those cgi shots were absolutely breathtaking since you had never seen anything like that. It was like a glimpse of the future


Except they were all hand drawn in post productions. No actual computers were used the animation. The first movie to really do CG was Wrath of Kahn, the genesis description scene.
 
2012-12-14 03:22:11 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tron Legacy was the better of the two. Sorry. It's one of those films that if I flip across it on TV, I invariably find myself watching it through. The original is interesting, but just not as fun.

And as has been pointed out, Olivia Wilde + Daft Punk = so much farking win it's painful.


You like bad things and you should be ashamed of yourself
 
2012-12-14 03:26:00 PM

BAMFinator: Do the needful: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: You also never saw computer generated images in a film, and that's what made the original so groundbreaking. At the time those cgi shots were absolutely breathtaking since you had never seen anything like that. It was like a glimpse of the future

Except they were all hand drawn in post productions. No actual computers were used the animation. The first movie to really do CG was Wrath of Kahn, the genesis description scene.


Not all of the graphics were drawn. According to wikipedia:

Tron was one of the first movies to make extensive use of any form of computer animation, and is celebrated as a milestone in the industry; but only fifteen to twenty minutes of such animation were used,[8] mostly scenes that show digital "terrain" or patterns or include vehicles such as light-cycles, tanks and ships.
 
2012-12-14 03:26:56 PM

Odd Bird: Too much stuff which is not Olivia Wilde


THIS50.
 
2012-12-14 03:31:43 PM

dmars: And as has been pointed out, Olivia Wilde + Daft Punk = so much farking win it's painful.


I should have not used this part of the quote because daft punk and olvia wilde are both great but that doesn't equal a good story/plot/movie
 
2012-12-14 03:34:30 PM

Do the needful: BAMFinator: Do the needful: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: You also never saw computer generated images in a film, and that's what made the original so groundbreaking. At the time those cgi shots were absolutely breathtaking since you had never seen anything like that. It was like a glimpse of the future

Except they were all hand drawn in post productions. No actual computers were used the animation. The first movie to really do CG was Wrath of Kahn, the genesis description scene.

Not all of the graphics were drawn. According to wikipedia:

Tron was one of the first movies to make extensive use of any form of computer animation, and is celebrated as a milestone in the industry; but only fifteen to twenty minutes of such animation were used,[8] mostly scenes that show digital "terrain" or patterns or include vehicles such as light-cycles, tanks and ships.


I have never been happier to be proven wrong.
 
2012-12-14 03:40:50 PM
Oh, please, subby.

ANOTHER sci-fi movie that the fanboys rant and rave will be the 'best movie evah!' and will most likely turnout to be run-of -the-mill crap.

Like 'Prometheus'. Or the 'Hulk' movies or 'Alien vs. Predator'.

I'm sick of all the hype put out about movies that haven't been made yet.
 
2012-12-14 03:47:12 PM
I assume I'm not the only one that read the "yesyesyesyes" bit as a skrillex sample on repeat over the sound of a dying dot-matrix printer.
 
2012-12-14 03:53:25 PM

Dimensio: snip


Oddly enough, they did give some (very brief) background info on Zeus/Castor. He mentions he was the program that determined odds for the games originally. How he re-purposed himself is a mystery, but it does sort of explain the whole "playing all the angles" bit. From the movie you can garner he "bet" on Flynn during the coup, saw what happened, and assumed the Users would fail a second time, so he should side with CLU. Admittedly, it's still very weak and the movie definitely could have been better played out.
 
2012-12-14 03:55:27 PM
Except Tron 2 was awful and totally missed the point of the original movie. Everything was energy, everything. The water was energy, which is why it recharged the lights on their suits when they drank it. The walls were energy. Everything was. That's how it could be manipulated so easily. That's how the tank could be reconstituted. That's why the metaphorical computer world was so interesting.

When you turn it all into glossy plastic, you ruin what makes it interesting. When the vehicles are actual vehicles with physical weight, it's not nearly as compelling. When you drown the action in a mind numbing sound track and fill the movie full of bland, Hollywood kung fu, you betray the central narrative and the weight of the characters.

Also, they couldn't have chosen a more wooden, boring, bad actor for the lead. But hey, he was hunky and that's all that matters. At least Bridges was still awesome though.
 
2012-12-14 04:05:34 PM
Daft punk sucks. I was laughing during that whole scene with Daft Punk. Totally lame and totally fanservice. Absolutely unnecessary and detracted from the movie, a movie which was already turning out to be pretty bad.
The whole movie was basically fanservice of "look at all the pretty lights". The villian was lame and overplayed, and the hero was weak and underdeveloped.
A Hot chick + Popular band does not make a good movie.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:11 PM

BAMFinator: I have never been happier to be proven wrong.


I know they touted the fact that it used computer generated graphics before it was out, and I also just found the link to the article about using the Atari 800 for some of the sounds. There's mention in there as well about computer generated graphics. As for the artwork that was done, have you seen the book "The Art of Tron" by Michael Bonifer? It's pretty amazing as well and explains quite a bit. Might have to pull it out and look through it this weekend.

Atari Connection Summer '82 PDF File. - It's on pages 12 and 13.
 
2012-12-14 04:56:31 PM

Qwertyette: Daft punk sucks. I was laughing during that whole scene with Daft Punk. Totally lame and totally fanservice. Absolutely unnecessary and detracted from the movie, a movie which was already turning out to be pretty bad.
The whole movie was basically fanservice of "look at all the pretty lights". The villian was lame and overplayed, and the hero was weak and underdeveloped.
A Hot chick + Popular band does not make a good movie.


If you like electronic music it's hard to ignore the influence Daft Punk has had on the genre. I like some of their stuff, but I think the music for the movie was bland and the inclusion on them IN the movie was ridiculous.

I picture the conversation going something like this:

"We have to put them in the movie."

"What are you talking about?! They are musicians! How is this supposed to add value to the script?!"

"Look, they already made their own outfits. Helmets and everything. No-one has the heart to tell them no."

*sigh*
 
2012-12-14 05:03:29 PM

thecpt: Fark yes. Loved the sequel, but fans are obviously awaiting for two more announcements for inclusion in the third:

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one glaring thing that stick out in my mine... Back when the movie came out, and everybody was excited that Daft punk was doing the music for the film, a Fark commenter complained that that they didn't like it because it sounded too much like a movie score..

had to facepalm when I read that..


I liked Tron Legacy.. it was what it was. a fun summer flick, and moved along a lot faster than Tron did. I finally got around to ACTUALLY watching it on a 19 hour train ride last spring. A decade and more removed from the original for sure, and I can see where a lot of folks would scream about raped childhoods and all.

but hell, that happens with all these flicks..
 
2012-12-14 05:20:56 PM

GriffXX: Qwertyette: Daft punk sucks. I was laughing during that whole scene with Daft Punk. Totally lame and totally fanservice. Absolutely unnecessary and detracted from the movie, a movie which was already turning out to be pretty bad.
The whole movie was basically fanservice of "look at all the pretty lights". The villian was lame and overplayed, and the hero was weak and underdeveloped.
A Hot chick + Popular band does not make a good movie.

If you like electronic music it's hard to ignore the influence Daft Punk has had on the genre. I like some of their stuff, but I think the music for the movie was bland and the inclusion on them IN the movie was ridiculous.

I picture the conversation going something like this:

"We have to put them in the movie."

"What are you talking about?! They are musicians! How is this supposed to add value to the script?!"

"Look, they already made their own outfits. Helmets and everything. No-one has the heart to tell them no."

*sigh*


I love electronic, and I love Daft punk.. though, admittedly, I'm a bigger fan of Fatboy slim...Hell.. I even have all of Daft punk's stuff including live bootlegs.. word to the wise though.. don't bother downloading multiple copies of the same tour..

in any case

I agree with your assessment.. and you got a chuckle out of that.. but really.. wasn't the scene more or less just a Cameo anyways? it's not like they were some kind of mystical force leading the way down a maze complete with magical ZZtop'esque hand gestures point in the right direction or something.
 
2012-12-14 05:49:30 PM

bdub77: The second Tron movie sucked donkey balls, like they tried to make it all Matrix-y and failed miserably. It showed a complete lack of imagination and creativity. The original at least had that.


Lol... your posting leads me to believe you've never seen Tron 2, nor the Matrix.
 
2012-12-14 05:56:13 PM

douchebag/hater: Oh, please, subby.

ANOTHER sci-fi movie that the fanboys rant and rave will be the 'best movie evah!' and will most likely turnout to be run-of -the-mill crap.

Like 'Prometheus'. Or the 'Hulk' movies or 'Alien vs. Predator'.

I'm sick of all the hype put out about movies that haven't been made yet.


Oh, grow up and toke a doob, kiddo.

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2012-12-14 06:06:43 PM

Dimensio: Dimensio:
Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science. [...] The first movie incorporated some basic understanding of computer technology and use at the time. [...] Tron Legacy made no effort to relate its "computer" world to reality...


This is right on target. I enjoyed Tron: Legacy but I felt it could have been a much better film, if they hadn't severed the connection with typical computers/programs and the things the users of the day are familiar with.

Back in '82, a lot of people would be familiar with dumb terminals, and a few would know something about PCs. Putting Tron in that setting made sense for that time. Showcasing the dopey disc-chucking and light cycle games made sense because they weren't too far off the crap you would find in video arcades of the day.

Tron: Legacy left all the nerdery behind and severed the characters from the slender threads connecting them to a real IT framework. Today, if some comp-sci grad is going to build "the perfect system" from the ground up, few people would do it using million-dollar mainframes (which have become a rarity, excepting transaction-heavy businesses like banks, insurance companies and retailers). It also wouldn't make much screenwriting sense; for the Average Joe today, a client-server model is more familiar. And if you're living in a client-server world, you're not going to be playing light cycles or disc-chucking games, you're going to be playing GTA or Warcraft or an FPS.

Anyway as previously said, I enjoyed Tron: Legacy, but I wish the writers had found a way to utilize current IT frameworks (and pastimes). That connection was part of how the original Tron tapped into the zeitgeist of its day. Keeping it locked into the outdated tech framework of a certain time renders it a little bit like modern Hamlet productions, where they stuff the actors in frilly 16th century slashed shirts, even though the people they portray lived a few hundred years before frilly shirts became the fashionable style.
 
2012-12-14 06:10:35 PM
After the tragedy that was the last film, I was rather hoping they wouldn't.
 
2012-12-14 06:58:09 PM

Cerebral Knievel: GriffXX: Qwertyette: Daft punk sucks. I was laughing during that whole scene with Daft Punk. Totally lame and totally fanservice. Absolutely unnecessary and detracted from the movie, a movie which was already turning out to be pretty bad.
The whole movie was basically fanservice of "look at all the pretty lights". The villian was lame and overplayed, and the hero was weak and underdeveloped.
A Hot chick + Popular band does not make a good movie.

If you like electronic music it's hard to ignore the influence Daft Punk has had on the genre. I like some of their stuff, but I think the music for the movie was bland and the inclusion on them IN the movie was ridiculous.

I picture the conversation going something like this:

"We have to put them in the movie."

"What are you talking about?! They are musicians! How is this supposed to add value to the script?!"

"Look, they already made their own outfits. Helmets and everything. No-one has the heart to tell them no."

*sigh*

I love electronic, and I love Daft punk.. though, admittedly, I'm a bigger fan of Fatboy slim...Hell.. I even have all of Daft punk's stuff including live bootlegs.. word to the wise though.. don't bother downloading multiple copies of the same tour..

in any case

I agree with your assessment.. and you got a chuckle out of that.. but really.. wasn't the scene more or less just a Cameo anyways? it's not like they were some kind of mystical force leading the way down a maze complete with magical ZZtop'esque hand gestures point in the right direction or something.


Yeah, I guess for me it was just one more thing that added to the feeling of being 'left wanting' at the sequel. I loved the original and, even after reading this thread, I am still having a hard time putting my finger on how it just didn't evoke the same emotion. When I read your comment I thought, "What if they had Kraftwerk in the background in the 1982 version? I wonder if I'd react the same way." Probably.
 
2012-12-14 07:38:14 PM

Cerebral Knievel: thecpt: Fark yes. Loved the sequel, but fans are obviously awaiting for two more announcements for inclusion in the third:

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[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

one glaring thing that stick out in my mine... Back when the movie came out, and everybody was excited that Daft punk was doing the music for the film, a Fark commenter complained that that they didn't like it because it sounded too much like a movie score..

had to facepalm when I read that..


I liked Tron Legacy.. it was what it was. a fun summer flick


Summer flicks are rarely released in December.
 
2012-12-14 07:54:05 PM
The sequel was great and I've probably watched it about 5 times. fark the haters.
 
2012-12-14 08:04:20 PM

FunkyBlue: The story has several different pieces. Kind of a meta-plot. Some pieces between Tron 1 and 2 were in the Tron: Uprising animated series and some other tie-ins were part of the story of the last Tron game.

Not the best way to film a major picture, but the whole storyline is actually really well done once you get tidbits all put together.


Thats the number one fail thing a movie can do. If it isnt a direct sequel all information needed for the story should be in the film.
 
2012-12-14 08:20:08 PM

Dimensio: In Tron Legay, the "system" had no tangible purpose; at no time was I able to discern Kevin Flynn's "purpose" for attempting to create a "perfect system".


Have you ever worked in software? We can barely keep half the guys on our team doing productive work instead of burning all their time continuously rewriting stuff that already works in a Quixotic quest for perfection.
 
2012-12-14 08:25:54 PM
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2012-12-14 09:07:38 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: I love the Tron movies and the movies also generated so many interesting things to think about! Tron makes more sense than the Matrix.

Disagree. Plugging people into a computer network and feeding signals to their brains seems far more plausible than transporting their entire body into a computer. Plus, the latter comes with the whole "transporter" scenario: you'd just be murdering the individual and creating a copy with a separate consciousness that doesn't realize it isn't the original.

Um....yeah.....but...er.....um.....like...what if....what if Zion, the robot-war, the creation of the matrix, is itself another matrix? 1% of humanity doesn't accept the matrix so why wouldn't 1% of the1% not accept Zion? Humans farmed for energy? WTF? Also, no offense to anyone but most computer geeks are not buffed dudes and hot chicks who like to wear weird fetish clothes to blend in...just sayin'.

And I think when a user dies in the grid, their program is "de-rezed" (?) which I think means deleted. So you couldn't create another individual/clone who died in the grid with the laser thingee as their program was deleted.

You do bring up the issue of clones, could you create an infinite number of a particular individual thanks to the grid and the laser thingee?

Keep downloading someone over and over again to the grid or to the real world. Is there really any limitations to copying a program over and over again?

Did Flynn also create teleportation?

Send a laser thingee to mars and set it up with remote controlled robots. Download some astronauts/colonists here on Earth to the grid, upload them on Mars....boom...I just created teleportation and human space travel over incredible distances is now possible!!!

But you KILLED them, dammit! You killed the person and re-built a new one on Mars! TELEPORTERS = MURDER!!!! And what's worse, everyone you "teleport" insists they're fine, because they do ...


Looks like a lot of people in this thread need to read.
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xcv
2012-12-14 09:08:18 PM
The new animated series was pretty enjoyable. Shame Disney killed it off halfway through the first season.
 
2012-12-14 09:18:32 PM
....Loved BOTH movies and can't wait to see this one. But I have to admit - the best part of seeing Legacy was realizing the way my 11-year old son was looking at me every time I went all fanboy over the easter eggs scattered throughout the film.
 
2012-12-14 09:22:05 PM
Meh. I'd pay to see another Tron. It'd probably the one they fark up the most, and it would be the last Tron I'd see.
Third sequels have never impressed me.

/ seriously, stormtroopers versus teddy bears?
 
2012-12-14 11:22:12 PM
Tron was a very silly, low budget movie from the 80's with some very interesting visuals and a fun chase/ escape story that gave little ins to the computer nerd crowd.

Tron Legacy took that, and gave it a budget, better direction, and up to date visuals with a killer electronic soundtrack.

Honestly, it was the most prefect popcorn flick of the decade and was a very fun ride. I'm really looking forward to a the sequel, and generally don't understand the nay-sayers. What more did you want from the movie where people get sucked into a computer simulation? MCP? Well... the first was just the setup to the new characters and visual style.
 
2012-12-14 11:32:28 PM

MadCat221: The problem I saw with the income/expenditure ratio for TRON: Legacy wasn't necessarily the movie's budget, but the absurd amount of marketing that Disney put into it. Numbers I recall seeing showed that they spent more on marketing than the movie budget itself.


The also had some very problematic scheduling. So much so the sound mix in the home release is very different then the theatrical release. They went back and fixed it, because the director admitted they weren't given time to really do it right.

The winter/x-mas release also had me scratching my head. Granted there was a weak lineup that year, but this was the sort of movie you release during the summer.

I think Disney got wobbly about science fiction, even as they wanted to replicate the Trek reboot.
 
2012-12-14 11:41:38 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Looks like a lot of people in this thread need to read.


Why would they waste time when dropping a brick on their head is faster? Kurzweil is a farking nut. He actually believes when nanobots get good enough he can sprinkle them on his father's grave and they will reconstruct daddy. It is not fanciful dreaming, he actually believes that will happen one day. Coo-coo for cocoa puffs.

He also does not understand (or totally ignores) the difference between types of exponential growth, and the fundamental concept of saturation which is ubiquitous in nature. It is like reading Michio Kaku except written by someone even more willfully ignorant.
 
2012-12-14 11:43:49 PM

Parallax: Dimensio: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Dimensio:
Tron Legacy was an action movie written with little regard for an understanding computer science.

Uh when was the last time you saw the first one? It has just as little regard

The first movie incorporated some basic understanding of computer technology and use at the time. Given general public understanding of computers, and given the writer's inexperience with computer systems, the result was acceptable. It created a sufficient framework for the writers of Tron 2.0 to build a more comprehensive universe created with a deeper understanding of computer systems and updated to technology of the era.

Tron Legacy made no effort to relate its "computer" world to reality. The "system" of the original Tron was a corporate mainframe and thus served the purpose that would be served by a mainframe. Programs in Tron had been written with definable purpose; Peter Jurasik's minor character was an actuaries calculator, Tron was a security application and Master Control had originally been written as a chess program. While the original purpose of every program was not known, enough initial background was provided to create a reason for a viewer to assume that a purpose for every program did exist, even if it was not stated.

In Tron Legay, the "system" had no tangible purpose; at no time was I able to discern Kevin Flynn's "purpose" for attempting to create a "perfect system". I inferred that he planned to relate the system to life in the real world somehow, but how this relationship would ever be established was never defined. I also never understood the purpose of any program within the system; whether Tron maintained his original purpose of being a security program or whether he took on a new purpose was never stated, and I never understood what purpose CLU was intended to serve apart from being an assistant of some sort to Kevin Flynn -- but without knowing what Flynn himself had intended to accomplish with his "system", I cannot ...

I desperately wanted to diss you with some kinda "cool story bro" comment, but I must admit you have a point. The plot points regarding the computer world itself are very, very vague in the sequel...


All this, plus as soon as they tried to pass off CG Daniels in the opening I was pretty much removed
 
2012-12-15 12:14:13 AM

dickfreckle: Yes, I am a tremendous motorcycle nerd.


High five. Haven't owned a car since 1998.

thecpt: That scene makes me want to buy a motorcycle every time I watch it.


Get one! There is no better driving experience. Take it to a track, and learn how to get the most out of your machine.
One piece of advice though: If you decide to get rowdy, don't make Sam's mistake of cutting light traffic at 108mph. You need to keep it up above 130 to keep the cops off your back.

I am Wee Todd Ed: Did Flynn also create teleportation?

Send a laser thingee to mars and set it up with remote controlled robots. Download some astronauts/colonists here on Earth to the grid, upload them on Mars....boom...I just created teleportation and human space travel over incredible distances is now possible!!!


No, the laser system wasn't invented by Flynn. And no, that's not the way digitizing works in the Tron universe.

Not disintegrating, Alan -- digitizing. While the laser is dismantling the molecular structure of the object, the computer maps out a holographic model of it. The molecules themselves are suspended in the laser beam. Then the computer reads the model back out, the molecules go back into place, and...voila.

That's from the script; the actual quote from the film is slightly different.

yves0010: The whole concept of perfection was a minor subplot that was not really explored to its fullest.


The point that I found to be hammered home rather soundly is that Flynn's original idea of perfection was limited based on the knowledge and experience he had at the point when he created CLU. At the time, Flynn saw perfection as being something akin to "perfect order" or "perfect efficiency". CLU could never move beyond that idea, because even though he was as "intelligent" as Flynn was, he wasn't able to become "wise" for lack of a better word.

Flynn, having lived in the computer for 1000 years with nothing to do but ponder the question, is now essentially the wisest person who ever lived. His understanding of the paradox of "perfection containing imperfection" or perfection being a self-defeating concept, sets him apart from everyone, humans and programs alike. It also touches on the paradox of omnipotence, in that his creation (the Grid) gave rise to the spontaneous creation of beings whose complexity is beyond his own understanding (the ISOs).

Dimensio: Tron at least attempted to explore the concept of a world within a computer system. Tron Legacy made no effort to retain adherence to that concept; the computer world of Tron Legacy is at best an artifact of its source material.


You make some good points. The complaints that aren't legitimate have already been addressed by others, so I'll just say this: The movie paid some lip service to real geeks with Flynn's system clearly running an identifiable variant of UNIX, and Sam's use of real UNIX commands. Also here's a link that explains the idead behind some of the "hacking" stuff that flashed by and was probably taken as technobabble by most of the film's viewers.

I think they got all of this out of the way early in the film so that they could concentrate on larger philosophical ideas without having to force the digital world into some sort of tortured analogy. Tron was my favorite movie as a kid. I didn't enjoy T:L the first time through as much, but the more I've watched it and thought about, the happier with it I've become. The main reason I was able to re-watch it in the first place is that a) it's a straight-up visually beautiful film, b) I'm a motorcycle nerd, and c) Olivia Wilde's mix of power and fragility is something I find gripping.
 
2012-12-15 12:14:31 AM
I think a better ending, though depressing, would have been if Quorra had come out of the computer world as a floppy disk.
 
2012-12-15 12:38:18 AM
Dimensio really grasps the core of what fails in Legacy. It could have been much more than it was, and I have to think the writers did come up with a lot better plot lines with fewer holes and inconsistencies, but I choose to believe the iterative and collaborative process of movie-making is what fundamentally distorted this movie's world. They probably started with things making more sense and being simpler at the same time, but then you get "notes" from every shmuck with some skin in the game, and the resulting script changes are ... well. it's like the scene in Robocop when he's become overloaded with conflicting directives. When you write *good* sci -fi, you do it by first designing the world of the story and its mechanics, then using those rules to drive and steer the plot. This is not the usual Hollywood story development process.
 
2012-12-15 02:33:05 AM
Let's see, in Kingdom Hearts II we had the first TRON, the "Space Paranoids" world, which had a critical importance to the plot and was incredibly awesome and nerdgasming.

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And in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance we had TRON: Legacy as "The Grid", which was one of the darkest Disney worlds in the series.

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Maybe TRON 3 will be in Kingdom Hearts III, or as part of the first KH game in the post-Xehanort Saga series.
 
2012-12-15 05:54:56 AM

douchebag/hater: Oh, please, subby.

ANOTHER sci-fi movie that the fanboys rant and rave will be the 'best movie evah!' and will most likely turnout to be run-of -the-mill crap.

Like 'Prometheus'. Or the 'Hulk' movies or 'Alien vs. Predator'.

I'm sick of all the hype put out about movies that haven't been made yet.


The Norton Hulk movie was good
 
2012-12-15 05:55:31 AM

StoPPeRmobile: I am Wee Todd Ed: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I am Wee Todd Ed: I love the Tron movies and the movies also generated so many interesting things to think about! Tron makes more sense than the Matrix.

Disagree. Plugging people into a computer network and feeding signals to their brains seems far more plausible than transporting their entire body into a computer. Plus, the latter comes with the whole "transporter" scenario: you'd just be murdering the individual and creating a copy with a separate consciousness that doesn't realize it isn't the original.

Um....yeah.....but...er.....um.....like...what if....what if Zion, the robot-war, the creation of the matrix, is itself another matrix? 1% of humanity doesn't accept the matrix so why wouldn't 1% of the1% not accept Zion? Humans farmed for energy? WTF? Also, no offense to anyone but most computer geeks are not buffed dudes and hot chicks who like to wear weird fetish clothes to blend in...just sayin'.

And I think when a user dies in the grid, their program is "de-rezed" (?) which I think means deleted. So you couldn't create another individual/clone who died in the grid with the laser thingee as their program was deleted.

You do bring up the issue of clones, could you create an infinite number of a particular individual thanks to the grid and the laser thingee?

Keep downloading someone over and over again to the grid or to the real world. Is there really any limitations to copying a program over and over again?

Did Flynn also create teleportation?

Send a laser thingee to mars and set it up with remote controlled robots. Download some astronauts/colonists here on Earth to the grid, upload them on Mars....boom...I just created teleportation and human space travel over incredible distances is now possible!!!

But you KILLED them, dammit! You killed the person and re-built a new one on Mars! TELEPORTERS = MURDER!!!! And what's worse, everyone you "teleport" insists they're fin ...


it's been like ten years. how much came true
 
2012-12-15 07:20:55 AM
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2012-12-15 07:42:34 AM
I liked the first because it lead to my interest in computers.

I liked the second because it was fun to watch, with plenty of eye-candy (plus Jeff Bridges, who's always really awesome no matter what he does)

Curious to see what they do with the third... Probably more brainless eyecandy, which is fine by me.

Unlike many, I actually don't have a thorny, crooked stick up my ass, nor do I take a farking movie that seriously.

But there I go again, talking sense in a fark thread... I wonder who will ban me for that, this time.
 
2012-12-15 09:15:28 AM

0z79: But there I go again, talking sense in a fark thread... I wonder who will ban me for that, this time.


I would, if I could, but I can't, so I won't. Not exactly the same, I know, but do feel free to self-banninate for as long as you feel is warranted by the severity of your crime.

/that'll be $26.99
 
2012-12-15 09:51:21 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: The purpose of the grid is so that Flynn can play God

If you think about it, Flynn created a computer universe which he can sculpt and mold as he wishes. He can create programs that can think and feel for itself. He can come down from the real, physical world to visit and interact with his creation much like God. CLU, like Lucifer knew Flynn/God's plan for the universe, didn't like it, and tried to create his own version of the universe. CLU knew that there was another plain of reality and wanted to overtake that other reality much like Lucifer storming the gates of Heaven.

Also, like God, Flynn can fix damaged programs and correct any glitches basically he can eliminate all pain and suffering and create a paradise for his creations to live in. So, is Flynn an a$$hole? Because when he leaves the grid he can't fix damaged programs or glitches since he's not there physically. Doesn't he have an obligation to look after his creation? Is he a bad god?

There are programs that created themselves and come out of the darkness to the grid. Flynn didn't create them and wonders how they came into being. They are exterminated by CLU but if they created themselves it makes you wonder if they can ever really be destroyed forever as where do they really go after death?

Plus, can a User extend their natural life by living solely in the grid? Flynn said that minutes and hours in the real world was days and months in the grid. If a User's physical body is downloaded to the grid, can't someone go into their program and delete any undesired medical conditions? Say you have cancer, well download to the grid and live there for as long as it takes for someone in the reall world to adjust your program to eliminate all the cancer cells. You upload back to the real world in a new physical body that is now free of cancer. Remember how the laser thingee makes a users physical body disappear when downloading to the grid and reappear when uploading? Why can't it eliminate cer ...


Apparently not. Flynn was aging in real-time. The ISO's I think will be found to bridge the gap between human and program, with Quorra being able to heal from wounds that no human can, like for instance having her arm amputated.
 
2012-12-15 10:28:14 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Orgasmatron138: Dillinger, Jr. should be a fun storyline. Especially if the old man makes a cameo.

My personal favorite idea for the sequel is that Dillinger Jr. finds a copy of the old MCP in some old stash of his dads stuff along with clues that lead him to find out about Flynn's little virtual world that Sam has on a chain around his neck. He steals the virtual world, does some reverse engineering and throws an updated MCP into the mix and it starts having an effect on the real world, which is where Sam and Quorra come in.


Grab the DVD/BD and check out the special features....

:)
 
2012-12-15 02:30:04 PM

hogans: [images.wikia.com image 539x517]

NO


HAHA This.

I mean, yeah, I was stoked to see it because I loved the original when I was a kid. Daft Punk's soundtrack sweetened the deal. It was...ok.

What sort of plot could they possibly have for this?
 
2012-12-15 02:31:16 PM

Hawnkee: [interbike.bikehugger.com image 400x541]


holy crap, that's funny
 
2012-12-15 03:00:04 PM
In the meantime, this has been pretty entertaining... 

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2012-12-15 05:11:08 PM

Dimensio:

Summer flicks are rarely released in December.



maybe that was part of the problem? I just assumed it was... it FEELS like a summer movie...

TyrantII:

The winter/x-mas release also had me scratching my head. Granted there was a weak lineup that year, but this was the sort of movie you release during the summer.
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... see? I am apparently not the only one in on this...

perhaps of the producer and directer were given that extra time, and they put it out in summer it would've fared better at the Box office, and in the hearts and minds of the fandom.
 
2012-12-15 09:40:49 PM

Cerebral Knievel:

perhaps of the producer and directer were given that extra time, and they put it out in summer it would've fared better at the Box office, and in the hearts and minds of the fandom.


It did $400 million WW on $170m, which puts it right in line with Trek 2009. Perfectly acceptable when you don't know marketing costs.

Unfortunately word was Disney really spent on marketing, close to 100% it's budget. Which isn't surprising, look how the same studio totally screwed up John Carters marketing and release. Back to back, and people were fired over it.

Tron:L's biggest issues was it's botched marketing and release. Still, they probably more then paid for it off licensing, nerd toys and kids merchandise.
 
2012-12-15 10:53:48 PM

TyrantII: Cerebral Knievel:

perhaps of the producer and directer were given that extra time, and they put it out in summer it would've fared better at the Box office, and in the hearts and minds of the fandom.

It did $400 million WW on $170m, which puts it right in line with Trek 2009. Perfectly acceptable when you don't know marketing costs.

Unfortunately word was Disney really spent on marketing, close to 100% it's budget. Which isn't surprising, look how the same studio totally screwed up John Carters marketing and release. Back to back, and people were fired over it.

Tron:L's biggest issues was it's botched marketing and release. Still, they probably more then paid for it off licensing, nerd toys and kids merchandise.


well, yes.. that was pretty much my point. That it would've done better over all if it was handled better.

and while I haven't seen John Carter yet, I am willing to give it a shot. That the issue with the Film was more that they were trying to make the tittle character a kinda :Indiana Jones like license-able character instead of focusing in the princess of mars story line it was taken from.
 
2012-12-17 10:46:26 AM
Legacy was the poop.

They had such an opportunity to to explore how computers have evolved and how our culture changed with access to all this computing power and ubiquitous networking. Instead they made it a dumb action movie where the action wasn't even that good.

"we as writers suck too much to figure out how to work the internet into this so we are making this a closed system"

Tron 2.0 was just a better crafted story and world, and made a much better use of the source material.
 
2012-12-17 11:00:50 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: Legacy was the poop.

They had such an opportunity to to explore how computers have evolved and how our culture changed with access to all this computing power and ubiquitous networking. Instead they made it a dumb action movie where the action wasn't even that good.

"we as writers suck too much to figure out how to work the internet into this so we are making this a closed system"

Tron 2.0 was just a better crafted story and world, and made a much better use of the source material.


That could be what Tron 3 is about. I can see how the internet would not be brought into Tron Legacy due to the computer the Grid was on was a legacy computer and was there since the late 80s. There was no network (as far as I can see in the film) that the computer existed on. Now, with today's tech, and hoping they set the next movie inside ENCOM's own tower and its servers. We can finally see them try and take over the world via the internet. Maybe MCP could make another appearance.
 
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