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2012-12-14 01:24:49 PM

dickfreckle: CPT Ethanolic: DrPainMD: he

The results might be the same, but the timeline would be different. Some of those pics are 3-4 years apart. It would take 20 years of heavy drinking to accomplish that level of aging.

I've been lucky that my heavy drinking hasn't aged me (family has good skin, I guess). But it's time to stop. A man can only drink a 10 cocktails a day for so long before his liver stops returning his phone calls.

The problem is that once the body becomes dependent, I can either die, literally, or be in a world of hurt trying to detox on my own. So as of the 26th, I'm checking in to inpatient care. My only hope is that they have wi-fi so I can still annoy all ya'll.

But holy fark - at least I'm not hooked on meth. I've watched several alcoholics ruin their lives, but none were anything like the methheads I've known.


God speed brother. I hope the new year brings better times.
 
2012-12-14 01:25:55 PM
Meth is Hard!
 
2012-12-14 01:29:50 PM

JackieRabbit: Is it methamphetamine itself that causes this or is it byproducts from shiatty backroom chemistry?


from what I gather a lot of it is apparently behavioral.
teeth grinding. staying hydrated and eating properly isn't appetizing on meth to many and this is another part of the meth mouth and the sickliness. lack of hygiene. not going into the sunlight. picking at your shiat for hours. not sleeping.

if you had someone in your employ to to get you to brush your teeth, stay hydrated, stop picking your shiat, east a balanced diet, get some sunshine and pump you with enough benzos to get adequate rest every couple days I bet 85% of the deterioration wouldn't occur. its the drug that causes most of the zombie look I always thought, but not directly.
 
2012-12-14 01:33:05 PM

dickfreckle: CPT Ethanolic: DrPainMD: he

The results might be the same, but the timeline would be different. Some of those pics are 3-4 years apart. It would take 20 years of heavy drinking to accomplish that level of aging.

I've been lucky that my heavy drinking hasn't aged me (family has good skin, I guess). But it's time to stop. A man can only drink a 10 cocktails a day for so long before his liver stops returning his phone calls.

The problem is that once the body becomes dependent, I can either die, literally, or be in a world of hurt trying to detox on my own. So as of the 26th, I'm checking in to inpatient care. My only hope is that they have wi-fi so I can still annoy all ya'll.
.


Good luck
 
2012-12-14 01:33:39 PM
u'd have to be gay to do meth for days on end without sleep or eating. the body gives natural signals to tell you to sleep. . and the brain psychologically tells you that you should be keeping up with at least 400 calories a day to avoid starvation. and drinking enough water
 
2012-12-14 01:33:54 PM
Well, it does appear to be a good way to lose weight...
 
2012-12-14 01:35:35 PM

bugcrusher: Rich Cream: //I suppose that could be attributed to "meth use"
Unless you're farked up on the stuff, you don't get into cooking it as a job. So yes, she was hooked on meth, and decided that cooking it was a great way to support her habit. Then her face got all melty.


My Uncle Slayton, he cooks that crystal meth because the shine don't sell
You know he likes his money he don't mind the smell.
 
2012-12-14 01:36:13 PM
Mohammed blowing a donkey!

#1 was bad enough and I stopped after #3; #7 must be out of a horror film.

No, thank you.
 
2012-12-14 01:36:28 PM

cryinoutloud: dickfreckle: Being sober in the morning depends on my day's schedule (currently work mostly for myself). But no matter what, I require at least one drink/beer in order to feel above ground. I ride a motorcycle, so I can't get too tanked in the daytime. Thankfully, I live in a walking city so I can just park her at night and get in trouble on my own two feet.
Sadly, the "one drink: I need to feel alive is morphing into two, three, or even more. That's how I know it's time to quit.

I guess I didn't want you to think that you needed IVs in your arm to detox--if all drunks needed detox, half of Fark would be in convulsions when the liquor store closed. Not that a heavy dose of vitamins and liquids is bad for you when you're trying to sober up, but you have to be pretty far gone to really need detoxing. I went through heroic, Fark-headline worthy BACs, and I never needed detox.

But if you're maintenance drinking, yeah, that's a bad sign. We used to call it "drinking to feel normal." Once you've gone there, it's a long way back. I don't how rehabs are these days, but used to be you weren't allowed to communicate with the outside world much when you got there, and it loosened up some later. You were supposed to be working on yourself, not worrying about the outside world or what others thought of you being in rehab. You just sit around and talk about your life endlessly, how you got to such a place, and how you can fix it. And despite all warnings, a good percentage of the people there will try to hook up with someone, to make their journey less painful. Don't do that. It is a bad idea. 

And seriously--good luck. It takes a long time, don't expect to be fixed in 30 days. I'll be looking for your purple posts again. (Purple is good.)


I fear being shuttered from my friends and, well, apparently everything else. Seems draconian, even if it is for the best. I've already made plans to shut down my nascent self-employment. My impossibly awesome redhead will pay bills once I run out.

Once again, I want to quit before I hit bottom. I know I'm making the right decision, but I'm terrified. Kinda feels like I'm about to lose my best friend, even if that friend is trying to kill me.

/am 38 - have always been a party guy but in the past two years it's greatly accelerated, whether from stress, ennui, or just living in the city
//I will literally die if I don't do this
///sorry for getting all personal and ruining everyone's thread
 
2012-12-14 01:38:45 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: u'd have to be gay to do meth for days on end without sleep or eating. the body gives natural signals to tell you to sleep. . and the brain psychologically tells you that you should be keeping up with at least 400 calories a day to avoid starvation. and drinking enough water


some drugs make filling your stomach with anything feel mildly unappetizing.
you ever taken a hit of meth, coke, or heroin and felt the desire to go to the golden coral and get a tbone and baked potato?
 
2012-12-14 01:43:42 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Could be worse.

I strongly advise against doing a GIS for "krokodil".
It is a synthetic opiate used in Russia that makes your flesh rot.

SFW wiki link


Jesus christ, what kind of high is worth having your arm rot off?
 
2012-12-14 01:43:44 PM

DrPainMD: Ya know, they could put up an "alcohol: before and after" web page that is just as horrifying.


They could also put up a "Jersey Shore: before and after" web page that would be twice as horrifying. Spiked hair, fake tans, and duckfaces, Oh My.
 
2012-12-14 01:44:04 PM

dickfreckle: ///sorry for getting all personal and ruining everyone's thread


Pretty sure you brightened everyone's day a tad for recognizing, acting and sharing.
You'll be okay; we're all rooting for you.
 
2012-12-14 01:54:01 PM

CapeFearCadaver: dickfreckle: ///sorry for getting all personal and ruining everyone's thread

Pretty sure you brightened everyone's day a tad for recognizing, acting and sharing.
You'll be okay; we're all rooting for you.


This x 1000.

I would rather read a story about somebody aware enough to interrupt a potentially tragic chain of events, than read the NTSB report about the guy flying himself into a hillside. So good on you, dickfreckle -- and good luck.
 
2012-12-14 01:54:12 PM

dickfreckle: CPT Ethanolic: DrPainMD: he

The results might be the same, but the timeline would be different. Some of those pics are 3-4 years apart. It would take 20 years of heavy drinking to accomplish that level of aging.

I've been lucky that my heavy drinking hasn't aged me (family has good skin, I guess). But it's time to stop. A man can only drink a 10 cocktails a day for so long before his liver stops returning his phone calls.

The problem is that once the body becomes dependent, I can either die, literally, or be in a world of hurt trying to detox on my own. So as of the 26th, I'm checking in to inpatient care. My only hope is that they have wi-fi so I can still annoy all ya'll.

But holy fark - at least I'm not hooked on meth. I've watched several alcoholics ruin their lives, but none were anything like the methheads I've known.


Best of luck to you brother!!
 
2012-12-14 01:56:05 PM
dickfreckle is such a quitter.
 
2012-12-14 01:57:18 PM

Nurglitch: dickfreckle is such a quitter.


Damn straight I am.
 
2012-12-14 02:02:03 PM
dickfreckle: The problem is that once the body becomes dependent, I can either die, literally, or be in a world of hurt trying to detox on my own. So as of the 26th, I'm checking in to inpatient care. My only hope is that they have wi-fi so I can still annoy all ya'll.

Good for you! Recognizing the problem and doing something about it is really hard.

//I will literally die if I don't do this

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. My uncle died of liver failure due to drinking.

Also look into some of the herbal suppliments. I had a friend who was having this problem ("Let's go to Sam's club! They are having a sale on their 1/2 gallon bottles of Vodka and I want to stock up!") who took supplements to support various organs and was able to quit cold turkey without having too many side effects. Find someone who knows how to do the research on what to take and how effective the various treatments are.
 
2012-12-14 02:05:12 PM
Drugs are bad, mmmkay?
 
2012-12-14 02:10:08 PM

Thurston Howell: CapeFearCadaver: dickfreckle: ///sorry for getting all personal and ruining everyone's thread

Pretty sure you brightened everyone's day a tad for recognizing, acting and sharing.
You'll be okay; we're all rooting for you.

This x 1000.

I would rather read a story about somebody aware enough to interrupt a potentially tragic chain of events, than read the NTSB report about the guy flying himself into a hillside. So good on you, dickfreckle -- and good luck.


Thank you. But it already has been somewhat tragic. I was an academic, but partying was more my style. I've been everywhere and done everything. Even pissed in a multi-millionaire's grandfather clock while drunk-sleepwalking.

I was a bartender for some years, earning a very respectable living if I may say so. Then I got into building computers for clients whose needs weren't met by Best Buy, and it started occurring to me that I'm no longer a young man who can throw caution to the wind. I need my wits about me. More importantly, I need my liver to keep working and living. Livers, as I understand, can regenerate somewhat if you quit in time.

I am drinking today, because I have no appointments. In 12 days I sign my life over to a bunch of strangers. It's terrifying. But I do have the aforementioned Redhead. Hell, it was her idea. I'm lucky to have her after being so distant and numb to her world. Must be my awesome penis.

/not really, but for some reason she loves me, and I'll her more than ever
 
2012-12-14 02:11:49 PM
need
 
2012-12-14 02:12:30 PM

dickfreckle: cryinoutloud: dickfreckle: Being sober in the morning depends on my day's schedule (currently work mostly for myself). But no matter what, I require at least one drink/beer in order to feel above ground. I ride a motorcycle, so I can't get too tanked in the daytime. Thankfully, I live in a walking city so I can just park her at night and get in trouble on my own two feet.
Sadly, the "one drink: I need to feel alive is morphing into two, three, or even more. That's how I know it's time to quit.
...

Doesn't seem to me like anyone minds your little detour so far. Good on you for seeing this coming and not waiting for rock bottom to do something about it. Best of luck mate!
 
2012-12-14 02:15:42 PM

relcec: dickfreckle: CPT Ethanolic: DrPainMD: he

The results might be the same, but the timeline would be different. Some of those pics are 3-4 years apart. It would take 20 years of heavy drinking to accomplish that level of aging.

I've been lucky that my heavy drinking hasn't aged me (family has good skin, I guess). But it's time to stop. A man can only drink a 10 cocktails a day for so long before his liver stops returning his phone calls.

The problem is that once the body becomes dependent, I can either die, literally, or be in a world of hurt trying to detox on my own. So as of the 26th, I'm checking in to inpatient care. My only hope is that they have wi-fi so I can still annoy all ya'll.

But holy fark - at least I'm not hooked on meth. I've watcrelcec: Jon iz teh kewl: u'd have to be gay to do meth for days on end without sleep or eating. the body gives natural signals to tell you to sleep. . and the brain psychologically tells you that you should be keeping up with at least 400 calories a day to avoid starvation. and drinking enough water

some drugs make filling your stomach with anything feel mildly unappetizing.
you ever taken a hit of meth, coke, or heroin and felt the desire to go to the golden coral and get a tbone and baked potato?

hed several alcoholics ruin their lives, but none were anything like the methheads I've known.

drinking is much harder to quit than meth in many ways though.
you don't die from going cold turkey on meth. which may mean the physiological addiction is stronger with alcohol. people die everyday from quitting drinking or quitting benzos. also you aren't tempted with meth rocks in everyday situations like you are with meth. in some ways it is almost a societal norm to relieve stress with alcohol consumption.

and a lot of the physical problems from meth are simple behavioral issues caused by the drug addiction, not the drug itself.
I've seen meth users crater and then kick it so quick they didn't have time to destroy their body or life, and alcoholics spend 20 years f*cking up everything they came in contact with.
good luck.


Wow....just wow. You know how we know you don't do meth or drink alcohol? You have no idea what the fark you're talking about.
 
2012-12-14 02:21:46 PM

2MS: Can one of our resident Fark chemists explain the difference between this meth and the stuff they called "crank" back in the 80s, 90s. Because (theoretically) I didn't see this kind of damage from "recreational use" of a lot of that stuff back then.


They are the same thing. Crank is the 'smoked form'. Or were you talking about crack?
 
2012-12-14 02:23:34 PM
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Before/after meth
 
2012-12-14 02:31:01 PM

cryinoutloud: I went through heroic, Fark-headline worthy BACs, and I never needed detox.


I need alcohol just to avoid the sort of shaking that makes it hard to button your shirt. The hands only shake when trying to do tiny tasks like that, but nevertheless they shake. Only a shot of whiskey (or vodka if I work that day) can cover it up.

I'm telling you, I need detox. When I travel in the South and forget that I can't buy beer on Sundays, I spend those Sundays in mild convulsions. Those same counties are almost always flyover, meaning I can't ride my motorcycle to the "neighborhood" bar 14 miles down the road. I'd rather suffer than die at 38 because I was dumb enough to ride a bike after drinking.

Detox symptoms are quite real. I should know. And that's why I'm checking in rather than going it alone. I don't need their willpower; I need their drugs to soothe if no eliminate the terror of it all. If I were just a casual drinker, I'd simply quit. The same way I quit cocaine. Except cocaine wasn't a 20 year part of my life.
 
2MS [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 02:32:16 PM

fmk040: 2MS: Can one of our resident Fark chemists explain the difference between this meth and the stuff they called "crank" back in the 80s, 90s. Because (theoretically) I didn't see this kind of damage from "recreational use" of a lot of that stuff back then.

They are the same thing. Crank is the 'smoked form'. Or were you talking about crack?


Nope, not crack. Was called crank, and was snorted.
 
2012-12-14 02:32:41 PM

dickfreckle:
I've been lucky that my heavy drinking hasn't aged me (family has good skin, I guess). But it's time to stop. A man can only drink a 10 cocktails a day for so long before his liver stops returning his phone calls.

The problem is that once the body becomes dependent, I can either die, literally, or be in a world of hurt trying to detox on my own. So as of the 26th, I'm checking in to inpatient care. My only hope is that they have wi-fi so I can still annoy all ya'll.

 

Yeah, good luck with that.

21, maybe 30 days of sitting around watching old worn out "Don't Drink" VCR tapes that are on par with the Reefer Madness movie, sitting in a Group Session where they pass around worn-out dog-eared zerox copies of old/bad alcohol information and every idjut in the room gets to (try and) read a paragraph from (that alone will make you pray for either a double shot of Jack, or a double-tap from a Smith & Wesson), all while being "counseled" by some dry drunk that took a 40 hour community college course and is now your lord and master.

They never mention to you that the 5-year success rate for the program is less than one percent, and if they claim anything higher they are either lying, or counting the people who died as having been "cured" of their addiction.

Granted, the break from drinking that an in-patient program will give you may well save your life, but most people leave a program as ill-equipped to handle sober living as when they went in.

A.A Meetings may help keep you clean and sober, but that is at the cost of every last vestige of personal dignity you might have left.

Try just weaning yourself off the juice until you can go 24 hours without dying from being sober, and then pop an antibuse. Drink a lot of water, and eat an aspirin twice a day to keep your blood from turning to mud (it will, when you dry out).

Screw the idea of cognitive therapy. Alcohol is so ingrained into your personality by now, it just won't farking work. But just ONE antibuse every couple of days will force you into pure sobriety, without any effort.

And forget that AA mantra of "Hi, I'm so-and-so, and I am an alcoholic loser". Just have your significant other (if you have anyone who cares about you even left*) slip you that antibuse every couple of days, and you'll be instead saying "I'm not an alcoholic, I was just really thirsty!


In any event, Best of Luck to you. Think about using the 10 grand you were going to spend on the in-patient treatment and get everyone a nice Christmas present.


* Don't even begin to think you can trust yourself to dose yourself - you cannot. But even that ex-wife you used to beat during your drunken rages will gladly come over and dose you, especially when she realizes antibuse might kill you!
 
2012-12-14 02:33:39 PM
www.personal.psu.edu
 
2012-12-14 02:34:55 PM

JerkStore: Well, it does appear to be a good way to lose weight...


And a good way to age 20 years in only 2. Meth, the new time machine.
 
2MS [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 02:35:00 PM

dickfreckle: cryinoutloud: I went through heroic, Fark-headline worthy BACs, and I never needed detox.

I need alcohol just to avoid the sort of shaking that makes it hard to button your shirt. The hands only shake when trying to do tiny tasks like that, but nevertheless they shake. Only a shot of whiskey (or vodka if I work that day) can cover it up.

I'm telling you, I need detox. When I travel in the South and forget that I can't buy beer on Sundays, I spend those Sundays in mild convulsions. Those same counties are almost always flyover, meaning I can't ride my motorcycle to the "neighborhood" bar 14 miles down the road. I'd rather suffer than die at 38 because I was dumb enough to ride a bike after drinking.

Detox symptoms are quite real. I should know. And that's why I'm checking in rather than going it alone. I don't need their willpower; I need their drugs to soothe if no eliminate the terror of it all. If I were just a casual drinker, I'd simply quit. The same way I quit cocaine. Except cocaine wasn't a 20 year part of my life.


Stay strong, my friend, and do what you need to do. Everybody has their opinion, but it's yours that matters in this case. Good luck, and keep in touch. I know a little of what you suffer.
 
2012-12-14 02:40:38 PM

ItchyBrother: They never mention to you that the 5-year success rate for the program is less than one percent, and if they claim anything higher they are either lying, or counting the people who died as having been "cured" of their addiction.


This will be purely medical. I don't buy into the whole spiritual approach to booze anymore than I buy into abstinence-only programs.

I'm a non-believer. But I believe in medicine. All I want is some soothing of what is assuredly a terrible process.

Then I have to see a psychiatrist - the whole reason I'm an addict in the first place.
 
2012-12-14 02:43:13 PM

2MS: I know a little of what you suffer.


Hey man, thanks.
 
2012-12-14 02:51:51 PM

ItchyBrother: A.A Meetings may help keep you clean and sober, but that is at the cost of every last vestige of personal dignity you might have left.


Spoken like a man who has no idea what the fark he is talking about. There is no reason to try convincing you of anything because you're not worth the effort. Have a nice day!!
 
2MS [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 02:58:49 PM

ItchyBrother: dickfreckle:
I've been lucky that my heavy drinking hasn't aged me (family has good skin, I guess). But it's time to stop. A man can only drink a 10 cocktails a day for so long before his liver stops returning his phone calls.

The problem is that once the body becomes dependent, I can either die, literally, or be in a world of hurt trying to detox on my own. So as of the 26th, I'm checking in to inpatient care. My only hope is that they have wi-fi so I can still annoy all ya'll. 

Yeah, good luck with that.

21, maybe 30 days of sitting around watching old worn out "Don't Drink" VCR tapes that are on par with the Reefer Madness movie, sitting in a Group Session where they pass around worn-out dog-eared zerox copies of old/bad alcohol information and every idjut in the room gets to (try and) read a paragraph from (that alone will make you pray for either a double shot of Jack, or a double-tap from a Smith & Wesson), all while being "counseled" by some dry drunk that took a 40 hour community college course and is now your lord and master.

They never mention to you that the 5-year success rate for the program is less than one percent, and if they claim anything higher they are either lying, or counting the people who died as having been "cured" of their addiction.

Granted, the break from drinking that an in-patient program will give you may well save your life, but most people leave a program as ill-equipped to handle sober living as when they went in.

A.A Meetings may help keep you clean and sober, but that is at the cost of every last vestige of personal dignity you might have left.

Try just weaning yourself off the juice until you can go 24 hours without dying from being sober, and then pop an antibuse. Drink a lot of water, and eat an aspirin twice a day to keep your blood from turning to mud (it will, when you dry out).

Screw the idea of cognitive therapy. Alcohol is so ingrained into your personality by now, it just won't farking work. But just ONE antib ...


Really?? Thanks for the words of incouragement. It's people like you that keep a lot of people drinking.
/Really, FARK YOU!
//Yes, Really
 
2012-12-14 02:59:31 PM

dickfreckle: I've been lucky that my heavy drinking hasn't aged me (family has good skin, I guess). But it's time to stop. A man can only drink a 10 cocktails a day for so long before his liver stops returning his phone calls.

The problem is that once the body becomes dependent, I can either die, literally, or be in a world of hurt trying to detox on my own. So as of the 26th, I'm checking in to inpatient care.


I wish you the very best of luck...I've detoxed and been to rehab for an opiate (heroin) addiction at least 3 times in my 25 years of life. From what I understand, alcohol withdrawal is even worse than opiate withdrawal. The irony is that I started using opiates as a way to get around the alcohol withdrawals (*I drank Bacardi 151 for a year and a half straight from the ages of 20 to 21 and was getting the shakes during the day if I didn't wake up and immediately take a shot) and like many who wind up on the junk, I started with pills (percocets and oxycontins) before gradually progressing to getting heroin because it was cheaper and more widely available. No one ever imagines that they'd be capable of sticking a needle into their own body...but it just happens; especially when you start getting nosebleeds from snorting 10+ bags in a single day.

I've been struggling with my own addiction over the past 6 months and have found myself in a similar position once again and have plans to admit myself on January 1st. The most successful quitting attempt was on New Year's Day of 2010 and they say that it helps to attach your "clean date" to an otherwise important date because you'll be more likely to stick with it. But I lack the self control necessary to be successful in a suboxone program. It is my understanding that they also prescribe suboxone for alcoholics and that it works very well for those who are trying to stop drinking. I don't know if that's something you might want to look into or not, but I figured I would throw it out there...It really is a miracle drug for those who are trying to quit and it does a great job of abating the withdrawal symptoms without making you groggy, high, or otherwise incapable of functioning properly; quite the opposite, as a matter of fact...you're actually much clearer and focused on the suboxone than you would be if you just went back to your drug of choice and "got right". The problem for me, though, is that I wind up selling the suboxone to get $ so I can get high, or I'll just flat out refuse to take them because I hold out hope that I'll wind up being able to get some bags later on in the day (*which is usually exactly what winds up happening) so I just can't be trusted to have the self control, direction, or commitment necessary to use the suboxone successfully. But i am hoping that that is what they will wind up using to detox me once I check in because the methadone is so much harder to stop taking; for me, it was 1000X more easy to stop taking the suboxones when I was ready than it was to stop using the methadone or the dope. The hardest part of the process was stopping using the dope and getting on the suboxone in the first place; you fall in love with the ritual of it all. You find yourself going to sleep early so you can wake up and do your shiat in the morning lest you run the risk of staying up too late and saying "fark it" and doing your stuff you have saved for the morning.

Anyhow, it seems like this is the one subject I wind up being the most passionate and wordy about, so I'll stop here before I get too many "tl;dr" comments or responses. I just wanted to tell you that I hope you are successful and that you are far from alone in being a "functioning" addict (*if that is what you would consider yourself, that is). The fact that you have recognized your need for help and have resigned yourself over to checking into an inpatient facility is a good sign, though, and I wish you all the luck in the world in your road to recovery.
 
2012-12-14 03:04:05 PM
Antibuse will totally make you a non-drinker.

And it will obviate any need for a shrink: you will bury the stuff that makes you drink so deep into your psyche, it won't bother you again until you're friggin' reincarnated.

One 24-hour dry stretch, and you're good to go with a chip of antibuse (no, don't start out with a whole dose for chrissakes!)

Water, more water, and then drink some water - and a couple of valiums (and blood-thinning aspirin) - and you'll suffer through the worst the the withdrawls without dying.

(Provided, of course, your heart just doesn't stop)

A temporary AA Sponsor will help you through that initial 24 to 36 hour detox terror.

(Cheaper than a doctor; all they want is bad coffee and stale sugar-cookies, and will be happy to help)
 
2012-12-14 03:07:45 PM

dickfreckle: I know I'm making the right decision, but I'm terrified. Kinda feels like I'm about to lose my best friend, even if that friend is trying to kill me.



I'd tell you a story, but everyone likes to tell stories and no one likes to hear them so I'll just say:
I've been there I think; exactly there at that same point, the dts, the wonderful gf living with your shiat, the can't even imagine living life without it. and things can get back to normal for you again. and it is just possible it might not even be nearly as hard as you think and the steppers claim. truly, best of luck.
 
2012-12-14 03:11:39 PM

seapig: Anyhow, it seems like this is the one subject I wind up being the most passionate and wordy about, so I'll stop here before I get too many "tl;dr" comments or responses.


Truncated just to avoid being annoying and reposting that wall 'o text, but I'm with you.

seapig: and they say that it helps to attach your "clean date" to an otherwise important date because you'll be more likely to stick with it.


I picked the date for logistical reasons. Holidays and all that. Not because I want to drink at the holidays (though I will) but because everyone calms down once the holidays are over.
 
2012-12-14 03:13:21 PM

dickfreckle: Nurglitch: dickfreckle is such a quitter.

Damn straight I am.


At least you still have a sense of humour. Something you might consider is putting your drinking and smoking on a schedule. Every 21-28 days you drop another scheduled smoke or drink from your schedule. The notion is essentially that you're training your body to do with less, and regimenting your intake will allow you to better connect the effects of the substances on you, and to dissassociate from them.
 
2012-12-14 03:17:29 PM

relcec: dickfreckle: I know I'm making the right decision, but I'm terrified. Kinda feels like I'm about to lose my best friend, even if that friend is trying to kill me.


I'd tell you a story, but everyone likes to tell stories and no one likes to hear them so I'll just say:
I've been there I think; exactly there at that same point, the dts, the wonderful gf living with your shiat, the can't even imagine living life without it. and things can get back to normal for you again. and it is just possible it might not even be nearly as hard as you think and the steppers claim. truly, best of luck.


My Redhead loves me for other reasons. Apparently she thinks I'm smart and impassioned about the causes you and I will never agree on.

Thing is...she cares about me. The only way I can repay that is by being sober. I owe this to her. Hell, I owe it to myself.

Please understand that I'm not the sort of drinker who comes home and beats his woman, or starts trouble in bars (have been known to "finish" it). I'm a "fun" drunk. The "I love you man!" sort. Still, that can be annoying. That's she's put up with my BS for so long is a strong mark of character.

/she's also nearly six feet tall, which is pretty cool
 
2012-12-14 03:20:04 PM
i.imgur.com
colemanzone.com
 
2012-12-14 03:21:08 PM

Generation_D: You'd have to be on meth to want to sit there and click that crap 50 times. Is this some kind of test, slidemitter?

I still remain convinced it is more the "not sleeping for weeks at a time" that does this, rather than the drug itself, though filtering battery acid residue can't be that healthy.


It took me less than two f*cking minutes. Of course, most Farkers do nothing but gaming and watching My Pretty Pony so it's not surprising your attention span is LT 2 minutes.

Any research supporting your "sleep" theory? Lack of sleep causes tooth-loss, scabs and all the other manifestations of meth use? I don't buy that. Citations needed.

Plus, have you ever seen the houses occupied by meth addicts? I've known people in Child Services who pretty much say all meth houses are basically the same and can be ID'ed simply by walking into the door.

This ain't an issue simply described as "chronic insomnia".
 
2012-12-14 03:21:49 PM

dickfreckle: ///sorry for getting all personal and ruining everyone's thread


You're not ruining anyone's thread. Thanks for sharing and best of luck to you. I was almost where you are now. I was unemployed, feeling sorry for myself, and bored. So I drank. First a glass of wine, then another, then the whole bottle. I wasn't even drinking to feel normal. I was drinking just to zone out. After my body got used to one bottle & I found myself needing a second, I woke the fark up. Took me 8-9 months from point A to OMG, what the hell have I done?? Didn't go to rehab but at least stopped drinking and found other things to occupy my time instead. And finally found a new job.

Your friends will still be there when you're done with your program. Good on you for taking the steps you need to get sober.
 
2012-12-14 03:23:01 PM

dickfreckle: My Redhead loves me for other reasons. Apparently she thinks I'm smart and impassioned about the causes you and I will never agree on.

Thing is...she cares about me. The only way I can repay that is by being sober. I owe this to her. Hell, I owe it to myself.



no one loves you for your politics, dude. they love that you give a f*ck, about something, everything.
 
2012-12-14 03:32:26 PM

brigid_fitch: dickfreckle: ///sorry for getting all personal and ruining everyone's thread

You're not ruining anyone's thread. Thanks for sharing and best of luck to you. I was almost where you are now. I was unemployed, feeling sorry for myself, and bored. So I drank. First a glass of wine, then another, then the whole bottle. I wasn't even drinking to feel normal. I was drinking just to zone out. After my body got used to one bottle & I found myself needing a second, I woke the fark up. Took me 8-9 months from point A to OMG, what the hell have I done?? Didn't go to rehab but at least stopped drinking and found other things to occupy my time instead. And finally found a new job.

Your friends will still be there when you're done with your program. Good on you for taking the steps you need to get sober.


Thanks for the well-wishes, I promise I'll be sober, and probably immediately employed. Either by my own hand or someone who is desperate for help.

My friends are another story. After Katrina many (hell, most) went away for good. But we still enjoy watching the Saints and punching each other for no apparent reason. Yes, that makes me a macho-dick ITG poseur, but that's how it was.

How do I reintegrate to the world after spending 20 years with a strong buzz? How am I going to behave? I've always been a decent guy, but how do you adjust to what seems like a foreign life?

And how in the hell am I going to watch football without beer? It's a crime.
 
2012-12-14 03:34:14 PM
Did you see the MILF hotness sex with sons friends chick link below?
 
2012-12-14 03:37:31 PM

SlothB77: subby must be new here. i've seen #21 appear in many threads.

two things

1) didn't know she was an 'after meth' photo
2) she was smoking hot before. such a shame.


Someone I work with (in a doctor's office) said that she looks like someone who is a burn victim with skin grafts. I dunno anything else.
 
2012-12-14 03:37:46 PM

dickfreckle: How do I reintegrate to the world after spending 20 years with a strong buzz? How am I going to behave? I've always been a decent guy, but how do you adjust to what seems like a foreign life?

And how in the hell am I going to watch football without beer? It's a crime.



a random Tuesday afternoon at 2pm in a bar spent lustily admiring a beautiful pint of beer as a bright sunbeam cut through it and lit up those tiny bubbles as they propagated from that one infinitesimal point on the glass.
 
2012-12-14 03:39:08 PM

andyofne: SlothB77: subby must be new here. i've seen #21 appear in many threads.

two things

1) didn't know she was an 'after meth' photo
2) she was smoking hot before. such a shame.

Someone I work with (in a doctor's office) said that she looks like someone who is a burn victim with skin grafts. I dunno anything else.


her face burned off in meth explosion or some such.
 
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