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(ESPN)   The NHL lockout is bothering everyone so much even Barack Obama is pushing for both sides for a new CBA agreement   (espn.go.com) divider line 110
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2012-12-14 08:52:27 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Sorry, posted too soon.
Your mistake is to believe this is a business. It's not, it's a hobby for the super-rich. Once you understand that, a lot becomes clear.


Oops, I meant to quote the above on my previous diatribe
 
2012-12-14 09:00:48 PM

The Bestest: FiendishFellow05: The lion's share of the blame for this mess falls on the owners shoulders for being almost completely unwilling to negotiate with Donald Fehr in good faith.

Which is funny because that's exactly what the NHL is accusing the union of (not negotiating in good faith) in their court filing today.


Considering the contracts they signed just weeks prior to demanding severe restrictions on said contracts that IS funny.
 
2012-12-14 09:45:31 PM

Flappyhead: signed just weeks prior to demanding severe restrictions on said contracts


Weeks? Try days. Makes your point even stronger. This one is all on the owners. The players were ready to go and were willing to play under the previous rules while continuing to negotiate.

If we assume that there is an end to this lockout, the owners would have been in much better shape if they had started the season on time. Now they've lost half a season's revenue/profits for nothing. Half a season at the old rate plus half a season at the new rate, whatever it ends up being is greater than just the second half, or no season at all.
 
2012-12-14 10:03:15 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Flappyhead: signed just weeks prior to demanding severe restrictions on said contracts

Weeks? Try days. Makes your point even stronger. This one is all on the owners. The players were ready to go and were willing to play under the previous rules while continuing to negotiate.

If we assume that there is an end to this lockout, the owners would have been in much better shape if they had started the season on time. Now they've lost half a season's revenue/profits for nothing. Half a season at the old rate plus half a season at the new rate, whatever it ends up being is greater than just the second half, or no season at all.


The problem with that is, while it seems like it was a great idea, it was more of a ploy by Fehr than anything - not that you can blame him for trying to get leverage. Because the minute a season started under the OLD CBA, the threat of a strike becomes real. The ploy was too transparent, and the owners (unfortunately, at this point) saw through it.
 
2012-12-14 10:28:35 PM

FiendishFellow05: Because the minute a season started under the OLD CBA, the threat of a strike becomes real.


except the NHLPA's offer to play this season under the existing CBA included a written guarantee not to strike
 
2012-12-14 11:08:29 PM
F*CK

I THOUGHT OBAMA WAS SUPPOSED TO FIX SH*T

*THROWS MONITOR*
 
2012-12-15 12:15:24 AM

ElwoodCuse: FiendishFellow05: Because the minute a season started under the OLD CBA, the threat of a strike becomes real.

except the NHLPA's offer to play this season under the existing CBA included a written guarantee not to strike


Which they would be able to rescind, forcing the NHL to call a lockout after they started playing, or risk Fehr calling a strike during the playoffs. It was purely a PR move by the PA, a ridiculous ploy that would have pretty much reduced the NHL's negotiating leverage to zero. You fell for a stupid PR stunt that very well might have cost us the playoffs after playing a season.
 
2012-12-15 03:48:42 AM
Lovely, now this thing is wasting our presidents time.

Just FOLD THE LEAGUE.

if you cant make money with what they want, and they wont play for less. FOLD THE LEAGUE.

It wouldnt end hockey, it would just move it around. Most of these teams dont own the arenas anyway, a new team could come in and rent an arena just as easy. This isnt baseball. Barriers to entry arent that high.

Let the president go on about important business.
 
2012-12-15 07:44:34 AM

cptjeff: ElwoodCuse: FiendishFellow05: Because the minute a season started under the OLD CBA, the threat of a strike becomes real.

except the NHLPA's offer to play this season under the existing CBA included a written guarantee not to strike

Which they would be able to rescind, forcing the NHL to call a lockout after they started playing, or risk Fehr calling a strike during the playoffs. It was purely a PR move by the PA, a ridiculous ploy that would have pretty much reduced the NHL's negotiating leverage to zero. You fell for a stupid PR stunt that very well might have cost us the playoffs after playing a season.


Ok, Fehr might be many things, but he's not stupid. And he's definitely not stupid enough to call a strike during the playoffs. That would be the very definition of suicide by bad PR. You're also out of your gourd if you think the players would return a positive strike vote during the playoffs.

I'm also positive it was not "purely a PR move." The NHLPA was looking for any leverage they could get; that would be one way to get it.
 
2012-12-15 11:32:49 AM

FiendishFellow05: cptjeff: ElwoodCuse: FiendishFellow05: Because the minute a season started under the OLD CBA, the threat of a strike becomes real.

except the NHLPA's offer to play this season under the existing CBA included a written guarantee not to strike

Which they would be able to rescind, forcing the NHL to call a lockout after they started playing, or risk Fehr calling a strike during the playoffs. It was purely a PR move by the PA, a ridiculous ploy that would have pretty much reduced the NHL's negotiating leverage to zero. You fell for a stupid PR stunt that very well might have cost us the playoffs after playing a season.

Ok, Fehr might be many things, but he's not stupid. And he's definitely not stupid enough to call a strike during the playoffs. That would be the very definition of suicide by bad PR. You're also out of your gourd if you think the players would return a positive strike vote during the playoffs.

I'm also positive it was not "purely a PR move." The NHLPA was looking for any leverage they could get; that would be one way to get it.


Saying they would play the season without a CBA WAS purely a PR move, because Fehr and the NHLPA knew without a shadow of a doubt that the league would never go for it after what Fehr did in baseball. Which shows your assertion that Fehr would never do it due to the bad PR to be utter bullshiat, by the way- he's done it before, and didn't give a shiat about the fans then.

And by "stupid PR stunt" I meant "blatantly transparent PR stunt that you would have to be stupid to fall for". No intelligent person should have given the NHLPA an ounce of goodwill over that one, and even a cursory glance at Fehr's record would tell you exactly why no North American sports league will ever start play without a CBA in place ever again.
 
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