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2012-12-14 08:54:59 AM
Let it go man, it's gone. 2 lost seasons in just a few years time. Maybe the next hockey league won't be so stupid.
 
2012-12-14 08:56:47 AM
While he certainly has the right to express his opinion, I'd be shocked if the President (or virtually ANY politician for that matter) could name 5 NHL teams, 5 star players, or describe what the blue lines on the ice are for.

I guess not knowing much about a given subject has never stopped a politician from opining on it...
 
2012-12-14 08:59:52 AM
i am not bothered by this lockout.
 
2012-12-14 09:18:20 AM
Can anyone give insight on how Commissioners maintain their jobs? Honestly, I have no clue what these guys have to do to get fired. Stern, Goodell, Bettman all seem to be awful at there jobs. While I don't follow NBA and NHL that closely I know that Goodell at least qualifies as someone who needs to hand in a resignation letter, but what I've seen from the NHL is a complete failure to even make the sport happen.
 
2012-12-14 09:19:44 AM
We've got to keep the Canadians busy. National security is at stake.
 
2012-12-14 09:28:28 AM

gretzkyscores: While he certainly has the right to express his opinion, I'd be shocked if the President (or virtually ANY politician for that matter) could name 5 NHL teams, 5 star players, or describe what the blue lines on the ice are for.

I guess not knowing much about a given subject has never stopped a politician from opining on it...


Obama would name the Canadians and Leafs and then Republicans would be pissed that he couldn't remember whether or not Phoenix and Atlanta still had franchises.
 
2012-12-14 09:33:28 AM

thecpt: Can anyone give insight on how Commissioners maintain their jobs?


Easy: Keep the vast majority of the owners happy.
I'd love to hear the owners' internal discussions. Nobody (except Jacobs and the other original six owners) can be happy about this.

Look out for this book in 3 years: Slashing: How Bettman and League Owners Killed the Goose that Laid the Golden Pucks.
 
2012-12-14 09:37:42 AM
If only there was a way to snatch the Stanley Cup rights from them. Then they can continue on.
 
2012-12-14 09:41:49 AM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: If only there was a way to snatch the Stanley Cup rights from them. Then they can continue on.


When they go bankrupt, you might be able to pick it up at the auction.
 
2012-12-14 09:42:04 AM
All I want to see is the Flyers is destroy the Penguins.

Guess I will have to wait till next year.

Hopefully.
 
2012-12-14 09:43:58 AM
CBA agreement

Collective Bargaining Agreement agreement?
 
2012-12-14 09:44:32 AM

gretzkyscores: (or virtually ANY politician for that matter)


Mike Quigley and John Kerry, for starters (and maybe that's all of them, who knows?)
 
2012-12-14 09:46:29 AM

thecpt: Can anyone give insight on how Commissioners maintain their jobs? Honestly, I have no clue what these guys have to do to get fired. Stern, Goodell, Bettman all seem to be awful at there jobs. While I don't follow NBA and NHL that closely I know that Goodell at least qualifies as someone who needs to hand in a resignation letter, but what I've seen from the NHL is a complete failure to even make the sport happen.


Easy, they work for the owners, not the fans.
 
2012-12-14 09:46:44 AM

wxboy: CBA agreement

Collective Bargaining Agreement agreement?


PIN number
VIN number
ATM machine
 
2012-12-14 09:51:17 AM
Hope and change, eh.
 
2012-12-14 09:59:00 AM
I believe the due to regional nature of the sport, the league model is flawed and is only 'major' US sports league that can benefit from a more European set up. Here is my plan in glorious detail:


Key concepts:


2 separate leagues - NHLa and NHLb (for now)
No salary caps
All ticket sales, merch, and regional media deals are 100% kept by the teams
All national TV deals are split equally.. however, you negotiate 3 TV deals. One for NHLa which is split by those teams, NHLb split by those teams, and the Stanley Cup Playoffs, split only by the teams who qualify


NHLa:


*16 teams, 2 divisions of 8. Initially selected by some formula including past history, current success, and financial factors
*NHLa teams remain in NHLa unless they miss the playoffs for 3 consecutive years. If you miss for 3 consecutive years, the team is dropped to NHLb and however many teams from NHLb is promoted


NHLb:


*Current teams and you can expand this league to 30+ if you want. All of the cities in Canada who want a team like Hamilton or Quebec can now get an NHLb team and the franchise fees are split amongst NHLb teams.
*All entry players are drafted by NHLb teams, NHLa does not participate in the draft. All players get a automatic 3-year contract slotted by draft position. NHLb teams can trade or sell players to NHLa teams
*NHLb will have some sort of aggregated point system to determine who will advance once a NHLa spot is open


Playoffs:


NHLa division winners get 1st round bye
2, 3 & 4 from each division enter the playoffs
Top 2 NHLb teams also qualify for the Stanley Cup playoffs.


There is a separate NHLb bracket that the top 2 NHLb teams can be dropped back into if they get eliminated from the Stanley Cup Playoffs. (think Euro League/Champions League)

Benefits to the NHLa Owners: They'll probably get a bigger TV deal due to better, more interesting matchups and don't have to split their local revenues.
Benefits to NHLb Owners; Franchise fees, access to young talent they can groom and build, or groom and sell to make more money. They get access to the playoff pot when they qualify.
Benefits to players: NHLa teams will pay big bucks and won't have a cap to stop them. NHLa teams close to being dropped will spend even bigger bucks to stay up.
Benefits to fans: Fans of NHLa teams get good hockey every night. No more games vs the Panthers. Fans of NHLb teams get screwed some for sure, but they'll will have to get amped when their team gets in the playoffs and knocks off a top level team..who knows, maybe make a big run with their young talent.
 
2012-12-14 10:02:40 AM
...coming from an old left winger
 
2012-12-14 10:06:32 AM
Just like he did for the NFL. Doesn't mean he cares, Just means he panders (in fairness, like they all do). Doesn't mean much. "Can't we all just get along?" doesnt fix a broken system.
 
2012-12-14 10:11:30 AM

MugzyBrown: I believe the due to regional nature of the sport, the league model is flawed and is only 'major' US sports league that can benefit from a more European set up. Here is my plan in glorious detail:


There's too much diving in the sport already. Modeling it after international grass diving will only further encourage the likes of Maxim Lapierre, Brad Marchand, Alexander Semin(te-hee), Joe Thornton, P.K. Subban, Ryan Kesler, and the Sedin twins.
 
2012-12-14 10:16:01 AM

MugzyBrown: I believe the due to regional nature of the sport, the league model is flawed and is only 'major' US sports league that can benefit from a more European set up. Here is my plan in glorious detail:


MOTHER OF F*CKING GOD.

You couldn't be more wrong.

That is a horrendous idea and utterly unworkable.
 
2012-12-14 10:36:17 AM
This is win-win. Either a quick 48 game season + playoffs or Bettman's legacy is left in shambles.

He will be shredded in the press if 2 seasons in 8 years are lost. The backlash could be enough to cost him his job. Then , true or not, he will solidly be known as the worst commissioner in sports history. Any good he accomplished will be forgotten and those two blank spaces on the list of Stanley Cup winners will forever haunt him.
 
2012-12-14 10:36:39 AM

MugzyBrown: I believe the due to regional nature of the sport, the league model is flawed and is only 'major' US sports league that can benefit from a more European set up. Here is my plan in glorious detail:


Holy crap this plan sucks.
 
2012-12-14 10:45:36 AM

Decillion: This is win-win. Either a quick 48 game season + playoffs or Bettman's legacy is left in shambles.

He will be shredded in the press if 2 seasons in 8 years are lost. The backlash could be enough to cost him his job. Then , true or not, he will solidly be known as the worst commissioner in sports history. Any good he accomplished will be forgotten and those two blank spaces on the list of Stanley Cup winners will forever haunt him.


So, let's say Bettman is fired and a deal is in place for next season. Who/what's to say that the next meat puppet the owners hire won't be as bad if not worse?
 
2012-12-14 10:50:11 AM

Rev.K: MugzyBrown: I believe the due to regional nature of the sport, the league model is flawed and is only 'major' US sports league that can benefit from a more European set up. Here is my plan in glorious detail:

MOTHER OF F*CKING GOD.

You couldn't be more wrong.

That is a horrendous idea and utterly unworkable.


This. Aside from many markets just imploding when a NHLa team gets dropped, and never recovering, you would never be able to build a new arena again, teams that have nice arena's that get dropped to b will never be able to fill them, and the NHLa teams will be boring playing eachother 6 or 7 times a year.
 
2012-12-14 10:50:41 AM

The Bestest: Decillion:

So, let's say Bettman is fired and a deal is in place for next season. Who/what's to say that the next meat puppet the owners hire won't be as bad if not worse?


Fans won't know or care if he's good or not. They still don't know that Bettman is actually good in some areas. It's, "Ding dong the witch is dead," for at least five years. The new guy will get huge cheers for a long time.
 
2012-12-14 10:51:17 AM

MugzyBrown: Here is my plan in glorious detail:


Hockey fans are not soccer fans. If you "relegated" the Montreal Canadians for any number of missed playoffs, Montreal citizens would riot, march to New York, and burn NHL headquarters.

Hockey players are not soccer players. They have been known to play with broken legs, feet, hands, etc. They work like hell to get to the big show. They would flee relegated teams for perennially successful teams. You would institutionalize a permanent two-tier league.

Hockey owners are not soccer owners. They cannot afford a league without a salary cap. The senior league would have to have one. The junior league, well, one way that this might work is if there were a salary cap on the senior league but no salary cap on the junior league. Although this would have to be modeled to see it's effect. Still might not work.
 
2012-12-14 10:51:52 AM

LineNoise: NHLa teams will be boring playing eachother 6 or 7 times a year.


You mean like the old 6 team league?
 
2012-12-14 10:53:24 AM

The Bestest: next meat puppet the owners hire won't be as bad if not worse?


Probably will be, unless they accidentally hire someone with the balls and skills necessary to bring the owners around to a more NFL-like league setup.
 
2012-12-14 10:54:49 AM
As a fan, and I don't ask for much from the NHL, but there is one thing I look forward to every season, and it pisses me off that there is a chance it may not happen...again:

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No other major US sport creates this much excitement from winning the league's championship. I don't care who lifts it, it's awesome to see.
 
2012-12-14 10:57:29 AM

Galloping Galoshes: MugzyBrown: Here is my plan in glorious detail:

Hockey fans are not soccer fans. If you "relegated" the Montreal Canadians for any number of missed playoffs, Montreal citizens would riot, march to New York, and burn NHL headquarters.


Yes, you CANNOT get North American fans to accept relegation. They are conditioned to accept three things: "We're great", "We're good", "High draft pick!"
 
2012-12-14 10:59:41 AM

wxboy: CBA agreement

Collective Bargaining Agreement agreement?


Yes, between the NHL league and the NHLPA association.
 
2012-12-14 11:01:08 AM

Galloping Galoshes: You mean like the old 6 team league?


Yes, that would be boring.
 
2012-12-14 11:15:37 AM

swahnhennessy: Galloping Galoshes: You mean like the old 6 team league?

Yes, that would be boring.


With 6 teams, the NHL would no longer be considered a major sport. The $ would shrink incredibly, and the sport would go the way of boxing and horse racing.
 
2012-12-14 11:16:07 AM
I wish they could just resolve this whole darn thing. I hope I don't have to resort to just college basketball or even the NBA this winter.
 
2012-12-14 11:21:29 AM

kdawg7736: I wish they could just resolve this whole darn thing. I hope I don't have to resort to just college basketball or even the NBA this winter.


The most frustrating thing is that they seem to be pretty close. However, no one seems to want to move from their positions at this point. It feels like the douchiest game of chicken ever.
 
2012-12-14 11:22:39 AM
Bettman needs to be erased. So do the owners. Last time they were right and the players had to bend. This time they are wrong. There is no reason to put any more money back into their hands.

This whole thing is ridiculous. I am ashamed to be a hockey fan right now. Billionaires arguing with millionaires. Wtf.
 
2012-12-14 11:23:23 AM
I blame Donald Fehr just because the man should still, 18 years later, be dragged out into the streets of Montreal and flogged for the baseball strike ruining their one and only shot at glory. Nevermind the fact that the owners and Bettman are the ones who locked the players out, I hold Donald Fehr 110% responsible for this mess, no matter how right he might actually be this time.
 
2012-12-14 11:30:38 AM

Galloping Galoshes: Hockey owners are not soccer owners. They cannot afford a league without a salary cap. The senior league would have to have one


The large hockey teams do not need a cap, and if they don't want to spend money, they're not forced to.

LineNoise: Aside from many markets just imploding when a NHLa team gets dropped, and never recovering


Then they implode.. let whatever contraction happen, happen naturally. If you can't support your team, it goes away, but AHL teams succeed in little cities, so I would imagine without a salary floor, an NHL team could just adjust their payroll accordingly to survive. Maybe they never make it back up.. well then they never make it back up.

LineNoise: and the NHLa teams will be boring playing eachother 6 or 7 times a year.


Division teams alreay play eachother 6 times. You play your 7 division teams 6 times and out of division teams 4 times. 84 game season,,, though I'd prefer a shorter schedule, but teams wouldn't want to lose so many games. Plus I'm sure when your team plays the Floridas and Carolinas of the world, you're amped.

Rev.K: MugzyBrown: I believe the due to regional nature of the sport, the league model is flawed and is only 'major' US sports league that can benefit from a more European set up. Here is my plan in glorious detail:

MOTHER OF F*CKING GOD.

You couldn't be more wrong.

That is a horrendous idea and utterly unworkable.


The current league is going so well.
 
2012-12-14 11:30:53 AM

bluorangefyre: I blame Donald Fehr just because the man should still, 18 years later, be dragged out into the streets of Montreal and flogged for the baseball strike ruining their one and only shot at glory. Nevermind the fact that the owners and Bettman are the ones who locked the players out, I hold Donald Fehr 110% responsible for this mess, no matter how right he might actually be this time.


Your anger is misdirected.
If you were an Expos fan are are mad at anyone, it should be Jeffrey Loria.
 
2012-12-14 11:31:47 AM

gretzkyscores: wxboy: CBA agreement

Collective Bargaining Agreement agreement?

PIN number
VIN number
ATM machine


Do you have any of that hot picante salsa sauce?
 
2012-12-14 11:33:59 AM

iggyskuz: i am not bothered by this lockout.


You sound like a golf and soccer kind of guy.
 
2012-12-14 11:47:23 AM

MugzyBrown: The large hockey teams do not need a cap, and if they don't want to spend money, they're not forced to.


Then you get all the good players in those leagues because the relegated teams can't afford them. You end up just churning the bad teams up for a few years until they get re-relegated. Basically the NHLb becomes an expensive minor league system.

MugzyBrown: The current league is going so well.


And this will help so much.
 
2012-12-14 11:56:42 AM

kdawg7736: I wish they could just resolve this whole darn thing. I hope I don't have to resort to just college basketball or even the NBA this winter.


There's plenty of good college hockey if you're in the right market - Go Badgers!

But yeah, I've been reduced to checking NBA scores mostly so I can just say "the Lakers sucked AGAIN last night" to a co-worker who is a big NBA/Lakers fan.

Hey - I didn't say I was proud of it. ;-)
 
2012-12-14 12:00:30 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Then you get all the good players in those leagues because the relegated teams can't afford them. You end up just churning the bad teams up for a few years until they get re-relegated. Basically the NHLb becomes an expensive minor league system.


And?

The lower level teams get access to all of the young talent. If they want to use that access to sell players and be a feeder team, that's their issue. If they want to use that advantage to compete in the big leagues, good for them.
 
2012-12-14 12:24:45 PM
No hockey? No problem. Just watch MMA, it's basically the same thing but without the ice.
 
2012-12-14 12:24:52 PM

MugzyBrown: The lower level teams get access to all of the young talent. If they want to use that access to sell players and be a feeder team, that's their issue. If they want to use that advantage to compete in the big leagues, good for them.


You're assuming that talent is OK with playing in a relegated league. Ask small-market teams in any sport how well retaining their drafted talent works out for them.
 
2012-12-14 12:37:21 PM

MugzyBrown: The lower level teams get access to all of the young talent. If they want to use that access to sell players and be a feeder team, that's their issue. If they want to use that advantage to compete in the big leagues, good for them.


You know that they're trying to get rid of contracts-for-life (because they're a really, really stupid idea), right?
 
2012-12-14 12:39:31 PM

MugzyBrown:
The current league is going so well.


Actually it was. Record revenues, a new champ every year for seven straight seasons post lockout, Cups in the Bible Belt and California and Original Six teams hoisting Lord Stanleys mug. The problem is not competitiveness, it's a small group of rich assholes whose entire approach to everything is "I got mine, fark the rest of you". Don't believe me? Well for starters most owners aren't even allowed to attend negotiations. Furthermore they're not even told what transpires during those negotiations. The other week when it was direct talks between owners and players, the latter was shocked to find out just how many of the former had no frigging idea what had been discussed and proposed since the lockout began.
 
2012-12-14 12:41:41 PM

Flappyhead: The other week when it was direct talks between owners and players, the latter was shocked to find out just how many of the former had no frigging idea what had been discussed and proposed since the lockout began.


In fairness, it's also in their interest to paint the owners as completely incompetent as a group within the media. And it's not like Fehr's groups have been worried about being honest in the media throughout this whole deal (see: pretending deals were imminent over and over).
 
2012-12-14 12:54:11 PM

IAmRight: Flappyhead: The other week when it was direct talks between owners and players, the latter was shocked to find out just how many of the former had no frigging idea what had been discussed and proposed since the lockout began.

In fairness, it's also in their interest to paint the owners as completely incompetent as a group within the media. And it's not like Fehr's groups have been worried about being honest in the media throughout this whole deal (see: pretending deals were imminent over and over).


Trust me, nobody needs to portray the owners as incompetent.
 
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