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(Indiegogo)   I'm trying to raise awareness for a worthy cause. Would you consider helping send 10 young girls who have never been anywhere on a once in a lifetime educational trip to Italy? Power of Fark, I beg of thee?   (indiegogo.com) divider line 40
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2012-12-14 12:12:52 AM
Honestly, no.

A vacation that costs $3500 per person is well within the reach of any person with the will to save up. Since these are obviously very smart and hardworking girls, I'm sure they will be able to find good jobs that will pay them well once they graduate.

If you think I'm a Scrooge for thinking this way, consider that you are begging for $20,000 from random strangers. Maybe you could scale back the class trip and instead go to New York or Montreal or Toronto. It's because of your own rosy picture of Italy that the students are convinced they want to go there. Look at the other places proffered: Costa Rica, Africa, London, France. None of these are realistic for a public school class trip, especially one on the West Coast (a trip to London might be reasonable for a school on the East Coast).

Sorry. I get that you want to do something nice for these kids, but this is ridiculous.
 
2012-12-14 12:15:35 AM
. . ten young girls?
 
2012-12-14 12:30:40 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Since these are obviously very smart and hardworking girls, I'm sure they will be able to find good jobs that will pay them well once they graduate.



This is for before they graduate, in some cases by a couple of years.

And saving up $3500 is damn near impossible in the short term for any teenager anywhere, at least one not involved in illegal activities.
 
2012-12-14 12:35:43 AM

kmmontandon: AverageAmericanGuy: Since these are obviously very smart and hardworking girls, I'm sure they will be able to find good jobs that will pay them well once they graduate.


This is for before they graduate, in some cases by a couple of years.

And saving up $3500 is damn near impossible in the short term for any teenager anywhere, at least one not involved in illegal activities.


So they can go after they graduate when they save their own money. Or they can go on a smaller-scope trip.

Or maybe they're onto something. I've always wanted to visit France. Maybe some dupeskind people will donate to my cause.
 
2012-12-14 12:45:35 AM
That sounds like a neat school.
 
I find it interesting that around 20 percent of Americans have a passport.  Travel and cultural exchange IS very important.  All the talk about a global economy and 80 percent of the country couldn't take a trip to the majority of the world even if they had the means and gumption to do it.
 
I wish I could travel more, I think it is very important to see the world.
 
My mother is a globetrotter and cultural exchange addict.  I hope to do that some day. 
 
2012-12-14 12:56:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Honestly, no.

A vacation that costs $3500 per person is well within the reach of any person with the will to save up. Since these are obviously very smart and hardworking girls, I'm sure they will be able to find good jobs that will pay them well once they graduate.

If you think I'm a Scrooge for thinking this way, consider that you are begging for $20,000 from random strangers. Maybe you could scale back the class trip and instead go to New York or Montreal or Toronto. It's because of your own rosy picture of Italy that the students are convinced they want to go there. Look at the other places proffered: Costa Rica, Africa, London, France. None of these are realistic for a public school class trip, especially one on the West Coast (a trip to London might be reasonable for a school on the East Coast).

Sorry. I get that you want to do something nice for these kids, but this is ridiculous.


I hate to say it, but I kind of agree.

Canada would be an excellent first trip and can be just as, if not more educational.

I'll still kick in 5$ however because its Christmas.
 
2012-12-14 01:01:28 AM
When I was in junior high we took trips to Mexico. 3-4 nights. It sucks how Mexico is ruined for that now.
 
2012-12-14 02:04:42 AM

kmmontandon: And saving up $3500 is damn near impossible in the short term for any teenager anywhere


I did it. It isn't that they can't, it is that the trip isn't worth that much effort to them. My effort got me a car and not a trip to Europe. ymmv.


That said, it wasn't all that fun going to work after school every night, and I freely admit to being a bit of a loser. But there are better charities than paying for someone else's european vacation.

Besides, isn't a trip to Europe something they would appreciate more when they are in their low 20s than high school age?
 
2012-12-14 02:15:36 AM
$3500 per student to go one a tour? They're not going to learn much about the culture from hotel rooms and other American students. Set them up an exchange program with an Italian school instead. They'll be better for it and the cost will probably about a third of some tour.
 
2012-12-14 02:38:32 AM

violentsalvation: When I was in junior high we took trips to Mexico. 3-4 nights. It sucks how Mexico is ruined for that now.


Mexico isn't nearly as ruined as much as American perception of Mexico is ruined. It's like me not going North Dakota because of gun violence in Florida. I have a place in Mexico, and it seems just as far from the border cartel violence as my place in Canada does.
 
2012-12-14 02:42:09 AM

unyon: violentsalvation: When I was in junior high we took trips to Mexico. 3-4 nights. It sucks how Mexico is ruined for that now.

Mexico isn't nearly as ruined as much as American perception of Mexico is ruined. It's like me not going North Dakota because of gun violence in Florida. I have a place in Mexico, and it seems just as far from the border cartel violence as my place in Canada does.


Oh I know it isn't ruined, but it isn't the same place a parent would send their 6th grader off to for four nights. I'll still travel there as an adult, but things have changed. I hate the drug war.
 
2012-12-14 03:04:35 AM
Sorry - I didn't read every word, but I fail to see how this is nothing but an interesting vacation and seeing as how I haven't had an interesting vacation in a few years and never went to Europe when I was a kid I'm going to pass on this.


The school I attended as a kid had a trip to Washington DC, Philadelphia and NYC when I was in 8th grade. We visited the Smithsonian, went to Independence Hall, the FBI, the Philadelphia Mint and saw a Broadway play. It was a great experience.. TFA says most of these kids have never even been outside of LA.

Maybe instead of just taking 10 lucky students to farking Italy you could try to take the entire class to Sacramento and visit the state capitol - on a farking bus.

Or maybe if you can raise enough money take them to Washington DC. I'm not knocking Italy, but if most of them have never even been outside of LA, there's a hell of a lot to see here in their own country.
 
2012-12-14 03:41:16 AM
Subby, I do not think "worthy cause" means what you think it means.

If there isn't part of you that thinks this is ridiculous when charities and state governments are struggling to rebuild hurricane damage, you need to rethink your priorities. Fourteen and fifteen year olds going to Italy by begging for half the money isn't noble or worthy.

Donate to the American Red Cross. Maybe you could visit some of the devastated neighborhoods on the east coast and rebuild something. I bet that trip would be every bit as enriching and memorable but for "worthy cause" type reasons.
 
2012-12-14 03:49:38 AM
~14 posts in and no one has volunteered to go along?

Has no one from Fark yet noted that the age of consent in Italy is 14?

You people are slipping.
 
2012-12-14 04:31:55 AM

Smackledorfer: there are better charities than paying for someone else's european vacation

 
2012-12-14 05:43:30 AM
I love human interest stories, but..there is enough in this country they could see about real poverty and how their fellow Americans live.

Good luck getting someone else's money though.
 
2012-12-14 06:53:17 AM
All my charitable giving goes to a charity that pays the bills of those who are unable to work due to the effects of cancer and its treatment. The church that runs it picks up the admin costs, so 100% of the money goes to pay the bills. That's a worthy cause; sorry, yours is not.
 
2012-12-14 07:04:49 AM
$3500 per student? How long is that trip? 2 months?

I'm just asking, because I have a once in a lifetime Japan trip planned for three weeks and I could do that trip for around that figure. And Japan is a weee bit more expensive than Italy.

In other words, no way. There are charities much more deserving
 
2012-12-14 08:56:41 AM
It would be a great once in a lifetime trip if you just gave them one way tickets and let them figure the rest out on their own. I'm sure MTV would be willing to film it for you as well if you asked real nicely.
 
2012-12-14 09:07:47 AM
How 'bout no.
 
2012-12-14 09:13:34 AM

kmmontandon: AverageAmericanGuy: Since these are obviously very smart and hardworking girls, I'm sure they will be able to find good jobs that will pay them well once they graduate.


This is for before they graduate, in some cases by a couple of years.

And saving up $3500 is damn near impossible in the short term for any teenager anywhere, at least one not involved in illegal activities.


Bullshiat. My grandson saved up that much in 3 summers during his high school years just by doing odd jobs in and around his neighborhood. Yes, you have to put in the time finding the work, and you have to bust your ass and do a good job, and no you can't cut corners, but if you are willing to do what it takes you can do it.

Sorry subby, people in this country are hungry and homeless. I suggest you send these ten girls to work in a shelter for 2 weeks rather than send them to Italy. After that, if they still want to spend $3500 on a trip let them earn it.
 
2012-12-14 09:31:54 AM
Fark no, i'm not funding your attempt to get underage girls out of the country.
Nice try, though.
 
2012-12-14 09:33:57 AM
Take all of em to Yosemite and Sequoia instead.
And watch your hands.

/Italy, for farks sake.
 
2012-12-14 09:38:08 AM
I did one of these when I was in 8th grade. It was not once-in-a-lifetime. It was a whirlwind tour through Italy's greatest hits. We spent most of the time on a bus, most cities we only saw for a few hours. Not worth it, and I actually saved money to go.

Do a cultural exchange, do a homestay. If you want to know about the culture, you have to actually live in their culture. A bus tour surrounded with other Americans isn't going to do it. And in the mean time, there's a lot of America that's different than LA, maybe you could go see that?
 
2012-12-14 09:47:31 AM
They should earn their European vacation the old fashioned way.

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2012-12-14 10:10:56 AM
We've done a ton of worthwhile things on Fark. It usually involved raising money for medical treatment, people who have lost everything in natural disasters, feeding the hungry, helping with burial expenses and research into cures for diseases.

Fark is hands down the most generous place I know on the web, but we aren't frivolous; we believe in boot straps for people who can help their circumstances. I've seen a few things posted on FarkUs lately that don't meet our standard, and as a result, don't get much mileage here.

I believe kids should be exposed to other cultures, but I also believe they should earn it. Walk dogs, Mow lawns, clean up leaves, take trash to the curb, babysit, wash cars, have a bake sale, get a part time job and a savings account. One of the most important lessons of this whole experience is feeling like they earned it. Pride and self reliance can't be taught, the lesson is tough, but the reward would be a great trip.

/ymmv
 
2012-12-14 10:11:03 AM
Relevant Louis CK on this concept:

Link
(skip to 2:30)
 
2012-12-14 10:25:31 AM
For they can't save that up crowd, my daughter works three nights a week after school at a mall job and brings in about 400-600 a month. In the summer when she picks more hours, its closer to a grand per month (and that's only doing 20 hour weeks). The kids can definitely earn this kind of scratch.

At minimum wage it would take 466.67 hours to make the money, but we'll round up to 500 for arguments sake. That is 84 six hour shifts. If you do three a week, that is 28 weeks, or 7 months.

/of course at least one has a kid so that would difficult for since since I'd imagine all the money goes to the baby
//however if you make the decision to become a single teenage mother, it has consequences, like no European vacations for awhile
 
2012-12-14 10:43:37 AM

violentsalvation: Oh I know it isn't ruined, but it isn't the same place a parent would send their 6th grader off to for four nights. I'll still travel there as an adult, but things have changed. I hate the drug war.


Well, lets be honest here- Presuming the same liability issues south of the border as north, just about nobody gets to send 6th graders off for 4 nights anymore anywhere.

But that said, I know that there are still school trips from up here that go to Mexico for both exchange and work projects.
 
2012-12-14 10:58:32 AM
I want to be as polite as possible (since this seems to be the politeness tab) but I gotta point out how one of the 15-year-old students complained that she "[hasn't] traveled anywhere in nine years!" When I was 15 years old I hadn't traveled anywhere in...well...15 years.

I'm sure it's a worthwhile cause but the entitlement and privilege is strong in that page. That's too bad.
 
2012-12-14 01:57:11 PM
Start small: take them to Little Italy instead.
 
2012-12-14 02:40:12 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Honestly, no.

A vacation that costs $3500 per person is well within the reach of any person with the will to save up. Since these are obviously very smart and hardworking girls, I'm sure they will be able to find good jobs that will pay them well once they graduate.

If you think I'm a Scrooge for thinking this way, consider that you are begging for $20,000 from random strangers. Maybe you could scale back the class trip and instead go to New York or Montreal or Toronto. It's because of your own rosy picture of Italy that the students are convinced they want to go there. Look at the other places proffered: Costa Rica, Africa, London, France. None of these are realistic for a public school class trip, especially one on the West Coast (a trip to London might be reasonable for a school on the East Coast).

Sorry. I get that you want to do something nice for these kids, but this is ridiculous.




Dude, you wrote the exact things I came here to say.

I understand the point, but this trip is way over the top. If the goal is to show the kids somewhere different, cultural, and encourage them to continue working hard, why not visit Chicago or New York and all of their wonderful museums?
 
2012-12-14 03:03:47 PM
I think Indiegogo should shut that shiat down and refund the $1200 raised so far. What a crock to ask people to pay for your vacation that has a vague "educational trip" title.

If you want to help someone learn, donate to a scholarship fund.
 
2012-12-14 03:04:30 PM
Oh, and I hope Fark at least got some paid advertising out of this greenlight to such an atrocious, infuriating concept.
 
2012-12-14 10:44:04 PM
Way to fill up these young girls minds with unreasonable realities and expectations of how life really is.
 
2012-12-14 10:50:37 PM
No not right now. In the process of sending my daughter to our state capital for a few hours for $90.
 
2012-12-15 06:28:34 AM
These kids can go to Italy when they deserve to go to italy.

Ya know, when they are older and have earned some money.

/ your snowflakes do NOT need to travel.
 
2012-12-15 06:38:36 AM
I mean, seriously. So theyve never been anywhere... why not a trip to mt rushmore or something? Why do they need to start with Italy. Sounds like someone wanted a paid trip to italy for themselves.
 
2012-12-15 10:16:18 AM
Vacations in Italy are the end result of an education and hard work/saving. Cart before the horse well- meaning submitter.
 
2012-12-15 11:39:25 PM
I have to agree with everyone else, I think a trip to Italy is a bit over the top for a group of high school kids. Why not go to D.C. and learn something about their own country instead of some foreign nation? A person could spend weeks touring all the museums of the Smithsonian alone. Not to mention there's hundreds of educational tours there set up specifically for students. What the hell they going to learn visiting Italy?
 
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