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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Mormon women plan wacky 'Wear Pants to Church Day', say, "We told you we were hardcore"   (sltrib.com) divider line 196
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2012-12-13 08:31:16 PM
That'll show 'em.
 
2012-12-13 08:40:03 PM
Man, Mormons are so farked up.
 
2012-12-13 09:12:24 PM
Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary
 
2012-12-13 09:30:11 PM
When I was a child I wore pants to church. One of our neighbors took it upon herself to speak to my mother about it.

I'm about a hundred and fifty-three now, and I don't go to church, but still. Try to keep up, Mormons.

/wear pants a lot, still, though
 
2012-12-13 09:57:32 PM
"Attending church is about worship and learning to be followers of Jesus Christ," LDS spokesman Scott Trotter said Tuesday in a statement. "


He has a point.

Jesus never wore pants.
 
2012-12-13 10:01:55 PM
When "pants or no pants" is a major philosophical tenet of your current belief system, you either need to:

A: Let go of the kiddie pool and explore the deep end of human intellect and experience

B: Have another beer, but keep your pants on. You'll wind up in a Fark headline, son.
 
2012-12-13 10:03:47 PM
Why can't I post in this thread?
 
2012-12-13 10:05:58 PM
Huh, seems to break only when I try to post a picture. Anyone else having that problem?
 
2012-12-13 10:08:06 PM

Amos Quito: "Attending church is about worship and learning to be followers of Jesus Christ," LDS spokesman Scott Trotter said Tuesday in a statement. "


He has a point.

Jesus never wore pants.


Maybe If He had better arch support they wouldn't have caught Him.
 
2012-12-13 10:58:25 PM
If only fusillade762 were here, I think he'd have something insightful to add.
 
2012-12-13 11:13:34 PM

fusillade762: Why can't I post in this thread?


You put yourself on "ignore"
 
2012-12-13 11:31:54 PM

fusillade762: Huh, seems to break only when I try to post a picture. Anyone else having that problem?


Silly = Boobies?

I mean, they are, often...but tagwise?
 
2012-12-13 11:50:59 PM

AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary


www.brisbanetimes.com.au 

Good thing there aren't any other religions out there that dictate how their women are supposed to dress.
 
2012-12-13 11:52:23 PM
Working now (clearly). Not sure why I was getting a server error earlier.
 
2012-12-14 12:19:07 AM
A group of Mormon feminists

I don't think I can continue reading without giggling.
 
2012-12-14 03:03:23 AM

AbbeySomeone: Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing?


yes.
 
2012-12-14 03:07:53 AM
I laughed so hard, because the headline is so spot on most people don't even know.

Seriously, their females are strongly discouraged from wearing bifurcated clothing. At least that was very true as of 1997 or so in Phoenix, the last time I was around lots of them.
 
2012-12-14 03:09:52 AM
Who would worship any Deity that actually cared about what you wore? Silly superstitions are, well, silly.
 
2012-12-14 03:15:44 AM
Antiquated social dress is always a interesting aspect of different cultures. I treat them like I'm watching the History Channel.
 
2012-12-14 03:16:06 AM

fusillade762: Why can't I post in this thread?


.
Only bigots are allowed to post here.
 
2012-12-14 03:17:07 AM

fusillade762: AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary

 

Good thing there aren't any other religions out there that dictate how their women are supposed to dress.


Gah! Her finger, dear god, what's wrong with her finger?
 
2012-12-14 03:35:46 AM
But they'll still have their heads covered.

/1 Corinthians 11:5-6
 
2012-12-14 03:37:57 AM

katerbug72: fusillade762: AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary

 

Good thing there aren't any other religions out there that dictate how their women are supposed to dress.

Gah! Her finger, dear god, what's wrong with her finger?


It is a detonator!
 
2012-12-14 03:42:21 AM
I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.
 
2012-12-14 03:43:35 AM
As a Nordic type Heathen, I can wear chainmaille to "church" if I want and no one would check me for weapons on my way, they'd just assume the weapons were already there. (as would be a drinking horn and other, practically obligatory, accoutrements) Suck it, weird Christian types, we Heathens are soooo ahead of you on this one.

I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing, then start quoting the bible at you when you very politely ask a question about their religion. I know my bible, you whore, just answer the damn question. WTF? Dudes, seriously messed up stuff in all religions, but at least in mine, women have some serious pull. Sometimes more than the men do. Easy choice, if you're the religious type.

/has no probs with the nice Christians, just the total freakoids
 
2012-12-14 03:49:10 AM

Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.


Bwahahaha! "Blessed Odin, save me!"

"No, save yourself, idiot. You have the tools."

I love that you trolled that, because it is one of those things that is so stupid it is funny. You need to always remind people which god they are supposed to call out to, as there are many cultural gods of love, though forgiveness isn't part of the package all the time. Vengeance, however, well, Can I tell you about Vidar?

*giggles, runs away for a battle axe and aegishjalmur*
 
2012-12-14 03:50:22 AM

fusillade762: Working now (clearly). Not sure why I was getting a server error earlier.


Were you wearing pants before?
 
2012-12-14 03:58:43 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahaha! "Blessed Odin, save me!"

"No, save yourself, idiot. You have the tools."

I love that you trolled that, because it is one of those things that is so stupid it is funny. You need to always remind people which god they are supposed to call out to, as there are many cultural gods of love, though forgiveness isn't part of the package all the time. Vengeance, however, well, Can I tell you about Vidar?

*giggles, runs away for a battle axe and aegishjalmur*



You think it's funny but if this were real life I would just stand here and wait for you to return with your weapons because no weapon has ever been built in the entire history of the earth that can stand a chance against the love of Jesus Christ. And if God chooses to let you kill me then that is God's will and it is not for me to argue about it at all. We have been fed to lions and burned for thousands of years but we are still here and we still love you all and want you only to come to the bosom of Jesus before it is too late.

Christ is Love and Accepts All and Forgives All
 
2012-12-14 03:59:40 AM

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Working now (clearly). Not sure why I was getting a server error earlier.

Were you wearing pants before?


Well, that would be a problem. Wearing pants while online angers the gods of networking.
 
2012-12-14 04:00:17 AM

Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.


this is Mormons, not christians.

it's pretty brave of the wimmin to try this, just before the most important date in the Morg calendar.... Smithmas (dec 23 - birth of the prophet who declared himself "greater than christ" - Joseph Smith Junior)

I recall during my own time in the morg that (as a make) we were dictated to wear
white shirt
plain colour tie
'sensible shoes'
and never, ever think about growing a beard (this, despite the fact that half the mormon prophets had beards)

----- and dont even get me started on the magic underwear (for morg who have been through the masonic temple rituals)


it's funny in a way... these wimmin, accept all the many, many shades of shiate that are dropped by the church onto their membership, and they pass over the history that shows their church is a total crock, invented by a horny conman....... but they baulk at wearing a dress rather than pants..... weird
.
 
2012-12-14 04:01:14 AM

Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.
 
2012-12-14 04:02:48 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahaha! "Blessed Odin, save me!"

"No, save yourself, idiot. You have the tools."

I love that you trolled that, because it is one of those things that is so stupid it is funny. You need to always remind people which god they are supposed to call out to, as there are many cultural gods of love, though forgiveness isn't part of the package all the time. Vengeance, however, well, Can I tell you about Vidar?

*giggles, runs away for a battle axe and aegishjalmur*


Battle axe? If you are going to invoke Odin he might listen better if you grab a spear!

:-D
 
2012-12-14 04:03:54 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahaha! "Blessed Odin, save me!"

"No, save yourself, idiot. You have the tools."

I love that you trolled that, because it is one of those things that is so stupid it is funny. You need to always remind people which god they are supposed to call out to, as there are many cultural gods of love, though forgiveness isn't part of the package all the time. Vengeance, however, well, Can I tell you about Vidar?

*giggles, runs away for a battle axe and aegishjalmur*


You think it's funny but if this were real life I would just stand here and wait for you to return with your weapons because no weapon has ever been built in the entire history of the earth that can stand a chance against the love of Jesus Christ. And if God chooses to let you kill me then that is God's will and it is not for me to argue about it at all. We have been fed to lions and burned for thousands of years but we are still here and we still love you all and want you only to come to the bosom of Jesus before it is too late.

Christ is Love and Accepts All and Forgives All


Nah, come to the bosom of Freya, goddess of war, death and love (it's a cycle, dude). She's way hotter than any homeless Jewish dude ever was or will be.
 
2012-12-14 04:08:18 AM

Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahaha! "Blessed Odin, save me!"

"No, save yourself, idiot. You have the tools."

I love that you trolled that, because it is one of those things that is so stupid it is funny. You need to always remind people which god they are supposed to call out to, as there are many cultural gods of love, though forgiveness isn't part of the package all the time. Vengeance, however, well, Can I tell you about Vidar?

*giggles, runs away for a battle axe and aegishjalmur*

Battle axe? If you are going to invoke Odin he might listen better if you grab a spear!

:-D


I'm not touching Gungnir. I'm not a complete idiot, I'm just silly.

/also, sadly does not yet own a spear
//has a set of lawn darts, if those count
 
2012-12-14 04:09:01 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing, then start quoting the bible at you when you very politely ask a question about their religion.


Brainwashing. They are raised to believe something from childhood, and raised to not question what they are told to believe. So to them it makes perfect sense that they follow a mythology where they are treated no better than a piece of property. Sadly, most religious people follow their particular mythology simply because they were conditioned as children to do so. Their parents were, for example, christian. Their grandparents were christian. And more than likely their own children and grandchildren will be christian. Some will break the cycle, but most will not.

And if you ever want to have some fun with die hard christians, ask them this: "If on the day you were born a couple from India gave birth to a baby in the same hospital and there was a mix up and you and that baby were switched and you were taken back to India and raised as a devout Hindu, what religion would you be practicing today?" It is amazing how many of them will actually insist that they would still hear the "true word of god" and would have switched to christianity!
 
2012-12-14 04:09:55 AM

Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.



You say you've been there at deaths door and you didn't call out for God but I say you haven't really been there yet if you only had one parachute fail because maybe next time they both fail and what then? You will only know then but God has always known you.

/bsbd
 
2012-12-14 04:10:06 AM

furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.
 
2012-12-14 04:13:31 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.


You say you've been there at deaths door and you didn't call out for God but I say you haven't really been there yet if you only had one parachute fail because maybe next time they both fail and what then? You will only know then but God has always known you.

/bsbd


If both chutes were to fail, I would probably call out the names of my cats, because unlike this supposed god of your particular mythology, I know with absolute certainty that my cats are real.

Now, let me ask you something, how do you know that this supposed god that you worship is real? In other words, why are you a christian? Do you have proof? Or is it simply because you were told to believe in it as a small child? Please tell us why you are a christian, and not for example a hindu? Surely you must have some evidence that proves your god to be real and all others to be false?
 
2012-12-14 04:17:37 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahaha! "Blessed Odin, save me!"

"No, save yourself, idiot. You have the tools."

I love that you trolled that, because it is one of those things that is so stupid it is funny. You need to always remind people which god they are supposed to call out to, as there are many cultural gods of love, though forgiveness isn't part of the package all the time. Vengeance, however, well, Can I tell you about Vidar?

*giggles, runs away for a battle axe and aegishjalmur*

Battle axe? If you are going to invoke Odin he might listen better if you grab a spear!

:-D

I'm not touching Gungnir. I'm not a complete idiot, I'm just silly.

/also, sadly does not yet own a spear
//has a set of lawn darts, if those count


Of course you would not touch Gungnir. But, surely some other spear would suffice? I would check out Museum Replica Arms for a pretty nice spear head. They used to sell ash poles to go with the spear head, but I do not know if they do it any more. Most of their products are not hand forged, but for the price you pay they are pretty nice.
 
2012-12-14 04:22:09 AM

Outtaphase: When "pants or no pants" is a major philosophical tenet of your current belief system, you either need to:

A: Let go of the kiddie pool and explore the deep end of human intellect and experience

B: Have another beer, but keep your pants on. You'll wind up in a Fark headline, son.


I think we're all neglecting the real question here, which is whether "pants" is actually equivalent to "no pants"

img.mit.edu
 
2012-12-14 04:22:24 AM

Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.


You say you've been there at deaths door and you didn't call out for God but I say you haven't really been there yet if you only had one parachute fail because maybe next time they both fail and what then? You will only know then but God has always known you.

/bsbd

If both chutes were to fail, I would probably call out the names of my cats, because unlike this supposed god of your particular mythology, I know with absolute certainty that my cats are real.

Now, let me ask you something, how do you know that this supposed god that you worship is real? In other words, why are you a christian? Do you have proof? Or is it simply because you were told to beli ...


I know it in my heart and you can't look into my heart without cutting it out and that is murder so I guess there is no way for me to show you and you just have to come to Jesus on your own which makes it all even more perfect and perfection is God so it sort of proves it yet again. Of course you can feel free to shun Jesus even after being confronted with all of the evidence and reject your Maker but that just seems silly since the price is eternity.
 
2012-12-14 04:25:37 AM

Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing, then start quoting the bible at you when you very politely ask a question about their religion.

Brainwashing. They are raised to believe something from childhood, and raised to not question what they are told to believe. So to them it makes perfect sense that they follow a mythology where they are treated no better than a piece of property. Sadly, most religious people follow their particular mythology simply because they were conditioned as children to do so. Their parents were, for example, christian. Their grandparents were christian. And more than likely their own children and grandchildren will be christian. Some will break the cycle, but most will not.

And if you ever want to have some fun with die hard christians, ask them this: "If on the day you were born a couple from India gave birth to a baby in the same hospital and there was a mix up and you and that baby were switched and you were taken back to India and raised as a devout Hindu, what religion would you be practicing today?" It is amazing how many of them will actually insist that they would still hear the "true word of god" and would have switched to christianity!


I figured it was a type of cultural brainwashing. What amazes me, to this very day even though I am now in my 40's, is how many people who aren't from anywhere near the Middle East, are Christian. When I was sitting in a Lutheran church in Norway with some relatives, I remember thinking to myself "well, this is stupid, we should just leave, pour a beer out on the ground for the landvaettir, then get my butt straight back to California". I guess it's just tradition for some of them. But why give up your own culture's traditions for another's? Makes zero sense to me.

Most religious traditions make zero sense to me. That's why I'm a Forn Sed Heathen. Technically, I'm agnostic. I just wanna chill with people with similar values. You can't be Asatru if you are agnostic, IMO. How can you be "tru" to any deities if you're not even sure they're there? Best to stick to the shoot off faiths from the same base.
 
2012-12-14 04:26:12 AM

Mock26: Please tell us why you are a christian, and not for example a hindu? Surely you must have some evidence that proves your god to be real and all others to be false?


He just got lucky and was born into the one true church, instead of that other place in his home town two blocks over who are total charlatans.
 
2012-12-14 04:26:50 AM
Jesus apparently frowns on commas and sentence structure.

And bacon and foreskins.
 
2012-12-14 04:27:39 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Of course you can feel free to shun Jesus even after being confronted with all of the evidence


Evidence needed.
 
2012-12-14 04:29:16 AM

El Pachuco: Mock26: Please tell us why you are a christian, and not for example a hindu? Surely you must have some evidence that proves your god to be real and all others to be false?

He just got lucky and was born into the one true church, instead of that other place in his home town two blocks over who are total charlatans.


OK I have had it with you people because you have disrespected me and disrespected God even after I told you he was God so you knew who you were talking about and so does he. If you want to spend 78,000 years on fire getting sodomized by a four penis satan helper I guess there is no way for me to stop you.
 
2012-12-14 04:33:09 AM

Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahaha! "Blessed Odin, save me!"

"No, save yourself, idiot. You have the tools."

I love that you trolled that, because it is one of those things that is so stupid it is funny. You need to always remind people which god they are supposed to call out to, as there are many cultural gods of love, though forgiveness isn't part of the package all the time. Vengeance, however, well, Can I tell you about Vidar?

*giggles, runs away for a battle axe and aegishjalmur*

Battle axe? If you are going to invoke Odin he might listen better if you grab a spear!

:-D

I'm not touching Gungnir. I'm not a complete idiot, I'm just silly.

/also, sadly does not yet own a spear
//has a set of lawn darts, if those count

Of course you would not touch Gungnir. But, surely some other spear would suffice? I would check out Museum Replica Arms for a pretty nice spear head. They used to sell ash poles to go with the spear head, but I do not know if they do it any more. Most of their products are not hand forged, but for the price you pay they are pretty nice.


Thank you for that link! That has a purty spear tip and is soooo going up on my wall, next to my other weaponry (that isn't a firearm, of course, those get locked up, except one for home defense, and I'm the only one who knows where it is).

I have never even heard of that site before. I think I shall buy myself a late birfday gift or two. Hmmmm.... what to get, what to get....

/knows the "Christian" dude she's been poking at is most likely a troll
//still, it's kind of fun, and there really ARE people out there that are that stupid
 
2012-12-14 04:35:54 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.


You say you've been there at deaths door and you didn't call out for God but I say you haven't really been there yet if you only had one parachute fail because maybe next time they both fail and what then? You will only know then but God has always known you.

/bsbd

If both chutes were to fail, I would probably call out the names of my cats, because unlike this supposed god of your particular mythology, I know with absolute certainty that my cats are real.

Now, let me ask you something, how do you know that this supposed god that you worship is real? In other words, why are you a christian? Do you have proof? Or is it simply because you were told to believe in it as a small child? Please tell us why you are a christian, and not for example a hindu? Surely you must have some evidence that proves your god to be real and all others to be false?


I know it in my heart and you can't look into my heart without cutting it out and that is murder so I guess there is no way for me to show you and you just have to come to Jesus on your own which makes it all even more perfect and perfection is God so it sort of proves it yet again. Of course you can feel free to shun Jesus even after being confronted with all of the evidence and reject your Maker but that just seems silly since the price is eternity.


What evidence? Neither you nor anyone else has ever been able to show any real evidence that this supposed god of the christian myth is real. But, since you claim that there is evidence then how about sharing it with us? You are, after all, commanded by your "son of god" to spread the word, right? So enlighten us with this evidence that you claim exists.

As for knowing in your heart, what about the millions of Hindus who also know in their heart that their Gods and Goddesses are real? What about the Muslims who know in their heart that their faith is the one true faith? What about the tribal practitioners who know in their hearts that their Gods are real? What about just about everyone of every religion both current and dead that have known in their hearts that their God, Gods and/or Goddesses were real? Do you really think that an ancient Viking warrior who worshipped Odin did not know in his heart that Odin was real? What about an ancient Greek who worshipped Dionysus? Or an Egyptian who worshiped Isis? If the faithful of all religions "know in their hearts" that they are correct then how do you know who is right and who is wrong? Surely there must be something that proves you to be correct and all those others to be wrong, right? I mean, you would not simply be following along because you were raised to do so, right?
 
2012-12-14 04:40:21 AM

Brian Ryanberger: El Pachuco: Mock26: Please tell us why you are a christian, and not for example a hindu? Surely you must have some evidence that proves your god to be real and all others to be false?

He just got lucky and was born into the one true church, instead of that other place in his home town two blocks over who are total charlatans.

OK I have had it with you people because you have disrespected me and disrespected God even after I told you he was God so you knew who you were talking about and so does he. If you want to spend 78,000 years on fire getting sodomized by a four penis satan helper I guess there is no way for me to stop you.


And here comes the righteous indignation followed the by "I'm taking my toys and going home" defense. Your post proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are A) Not a christian and are just trolling, B) You are a christian but your faith is so frail and weak that you are afraid to question it, or C) You are uneducated and cannot rationally defend your faith. I am guessing "A".
 
2012-12-14 04:46:23 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Thank you for that link! That has a purty spear tip and is soooo going up on my wall, next to my other weaponry (that isn't a firearm, of course, those get locked up, except one for home defense, and I'm the only one who knows where it is).

I have never even heard of that site before. I think I shall buy myself a late birfday gift or two. Hmmmm.... what to get, what to get....


I have a bec de corbin (which I do not think they sell any more), a couple of warhammers, a mace, and some clothing items from them. I would suggest that you buy a relatively cheap item first to see if you like the quality, and that spear head is not too expensive. If you like it then order more. Also, I have had some really great customer service help with them. Years ago I was placing an order for a "costume" and the woman on the phone said it was out of stock but that they had just received a shipment in that day. She then put me on hold for 15 minutes while she had the warehouse guys open up some boxes to find the item I was looking for.

And, yeah, when the silly christian pagan tossed out the line about not posting any more because we insulted him my inklings that he was a troll were confirmed. I must say that I am disappointed. Trolls these days just do not have their hearts in it any more. If you are going to carry your troll beyond a single post at least stick to it for more than a half-dozen or so posts! Kids these days have such pathetically short attention spans.
 
2012-12-14 04:46:45 AM

Mock26: What evidence? Neither you nor anyone else has ever been able to show any real evidence that this supposed god of the christian myth is real. But, since you claim that there is evidence then how about sharing it with us? You are, after all, commanded by your "son of god" to spread the word, right? So enlighten us with this evidence that you claim exists.As for knowing in your heart, what about the millions of Hindus who also know in their heart that their Gods and Goddesses are real? What about the Muslims who know in their heart that their faith is the one true faith? What about the tribal practitioners who know in their hearts that their Gods are real? What about just about everyone of every religion both current and dead that have known in their hearts that their God, Gods and/or Goddesses were real? Do you really think that an ancient Viking warrior who worshipped Odin did not know in his heart that Odin was real? What about an ancient Greek who worshipped Dionysus? Or an Egyptian who worshiped Isis? If the faithful of all religions "know in their hearts" that they are correct then how do you know who is right and who is wrong? Surely there must be something that proves you to be correct and all those others to be wrong, right? I mean, you would not simply be following along because you were raised to do so, right?




The evidence is in the lack of evidence and all of the unexplained things like dark matter. Scientists have no idea what dark matter is because they try to tear everything apart and look at the small pieces but that doesn't show you the big picture which is love. And love is God. The proof exists in something so simple as a banana which is made perfectly for humans to use as a food and the design of the banana does nothing for the tree really but only for us. A banana fits into a human hand perfectly but no other animals and you just can't gloss right pass that and ignore more evidence.

All the other religions worship their "gods" because they feel the presence of God in their hearts like all humans feel him like when you think someone is in the room behind you and you turn around and there is someone there but you didn't hear them so how did you know they were there. Same way with God because he is standing in every room in every corner of the globe next to every person and everybody knows he is there. But some people were taught to call him Allah but that doesn't make it right because the Gospel has been made readily available to everybody by now.
 
2012-12-14 04:51:26 AM

Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.


You say you've been there at deaths door and you didn't call out for God but I say you haven't really been there yet if you only had one parachute fail because maybe next time they both fail and what then? You will only know then but God has always known you.

/bsbd

If both chutes were to fail, I would probably call out the names of my cats, because unlike this supposed god of your particular mythology, I know with absolute certainty that my cats are real.

Now, let me ask you something, how do you know that this supposed god that you worship is real? In other words, why are you a christian? Do you have proof? Or is it simply because ...


One of the saddest things I ever heard was this little Muslim chica who was washing dishes and her brother got home early, had some of his friends with him, and "they saw my hair! wut do? wut do?" Ummm, ok. How's about just not belonging to a religion that considers a woman's hair so erotic it must be covered at all times? Just crazy stuff there. If you wanna talk "modesty", don't talk to someone raised by Norwegians, cuz I'll just be standing there, either butt nekkid or in my underpants, look at ya and say "Oh, hey dude" in my chill little Cali chick slang. That girl was seriously distressed. Apparently even seeing a woman's hair is a sin in their religion. A sin on the female.

I shall never understand, just as they shall never understand Heathens or any other faith. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree, just hopefully without bombs and military action.

/a friend's online experience
//I believe her, as she's never lied to me before, or she's very good at lying
///hail Loki?
 
2012-12-14 04:52:58 AM

Brian Ryanberger: even after I told you he was God


Well shizit, if I'd known you were a prophet I wouldn't have made fun of you. I am totes sorry now.
 
2012-12-14 04:59:27 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: What evidence? Neither you nor anyone else has ever been able to show any real evidence that this supposed god of the christian myth is real. But, since you claim that there is evidence then how about sharing it with us? You are, after all, commanded by your "son of god" to spread the word, right? So enlighten us with this evidence that you claim exists.As for knowing in your heart, what about the millions of Hindus who also know in their heart that their Gods and Goddesses are real? What about the Muslims who know in their heart that their faith is the one true faith? What about the tribal practitioners who know in their hearts that their Gods are real? What about just about everyone of every religion both current and dead that have known in their hearts that their God, Gods and/or Goddesses were real? Do you really think that an ancient Viking warrior who worshipped Odin did not know in his heart that Odin was real? What about an ancient Greek who worshipped Dionysus? Or an Egyptian who worshiped Isis? If the faithful of all religions "know in their hearts" that they are correct then how do you know who is right and who is wrong? Surely there must be something that proves you to be correct and all those others to be wrong, right? I mean, you would not simply be following along because you were raised to do so, right?



The evidence is in the lack of evidence and all of the unexplained things like dark matter. Scientists have no idea what dark matter is because they try to tear everything apart and look at the small pieces but that doesn't show you the big picture which is love. And love is God. The proof exists in something so simple as a banana which is made perfectly for humans to use as a food and the design of the banana does nothing for the tree really but only for us. A banana fits into a human hand perfectly but no other animals and you just can't gloss right pass that and ignore more evidence.

All the other religions worship their " ...


Really? You are going to use the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument? If you are going to troll, then please do a better job of it. Try to come up with something better.
 
2012-12-14 05:02:44 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: ///hail Loki?


Hail Thor! I wear a Mjollnir pendant that is an exact copy of a an actual artifact found in Sweden that dates to around 900 AD. I saw it and had to have it!

Oh, did you notice the "if we cannot explain it then it must come from god" argument from the troll? And what about the banana argument? I had such high hopes for him with his Boobies, but even his initial followups were weak and pathetic. Like I said, damned kids just lack dedication these days.
 
2012-12-14 05:02:51 AM

Brian Ryanberger: a God of Love and Forgiveness


Anyone that uses a phrase like this to refer to the Christian deity, even on the basis of the new testament, obviously hasn't even bothered to skim the bible, making their opinion on the matter about as valid as an illiterate Chinese peasant's opinion of Chaucer.

Plenty of wrath, smiting, and telling followers to be dicks to people, even in just the bits about Jesus. Some of it incredibly arbitrary, like the bit with the fig tree.
 
2012-12-14 05:03:05 AM

Mock26: Really? You are going to use the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument? If you are going to troll, then please do a better job of it. Try to come up with something better.



There's a video which explains it a lot better than I can you should check this out

Link
 
2012-12-14 05:04:42 AM

Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Thank you for that link! That has a purty spear tip and is soooo going up on my wall, next to my other weaponry (that isn't a firearm, of course, those get locked up, except one for home defense, and I'm the only one who knows where it is).

I have never even heard of that site before. I think I shall buy myself a late birfday gift or two. Hmmmm.... what to get, what to get....

I have a bec de corbin (which I do not think they sell any more), a couple of warhammers, a mace, and some clothing items from them. I would suggest that you buy a relatively cheap item first to see if you like the quality, and that spear head is not too expensive. If you like it then order more. Also, I have had some really great customer service help with them. Years ago I was placing an order for a "costume" and the woman on the phone said it was out of stock but that they had just received a shipment in that day. She then put me on hold for 15 minutes while she had the warehouse guys open up some boxes to find the item I was looking for.

And, yeah, when the silly christian pagan tossed out the line about not posting any more because we insulted him my inklings that he was a troll were confirmed. I must say that I am disappointed. Trolls these days just do not have their hearts in it any more. If you are going to carry your troll beyond a single post at least stick to it for more than a half-dozen or so posts! Kids these days have such pathetically short attention spans.


Well, the trolls are probably in mommy or daddy's computer chair and it's past their bed time. We had it easy, dude.Some of us learned the hard way, and kept it going. Toughens you up. It's like the internet version of when your dad would tell you to "walk it off" when you were standing there, bleeding, broken skateboard in hand and an obviously broken arm. A lot of us learned that way, didn't we?

Thanks again for the tip about that website! My son actually collects maces (people collect those? I guess they do) and since his bday is so close to xmas, I wasn't sure what to get him. I'll casually wander up the stairs and examine the collection he already has, and order him a new one he does not already own. I didn't even know they had different types until he gave me a lecture on them one day. Holy moley! I'm also going to rape that site like a Viking on a rampage! YAY! Tenderhearted persons with weapons! 

/will go back to eating avocados and drinking tequila, like a good Cali chick any minute now
//xmas and birfday shopping, almost completed!
 
2012-12-14 05:09:47 AM
Real Women Drink Akvavit:
I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing,

It probably makes life a lot simpler, not expecting a career or accomplishments beyond raising children (not that that's not an accomplishment) and waiting for a man to provide for them and tell them what to do. Knowing exactly what is expected of them without doubt. Hell, I bet a lot of them don't even expect to graduate college (or, in more conservative groups, high school) once they get their Mrs. degree.

Most of us, to be fair, find independence to be scary. They just have a dogma that tells them it will never, ever be expected of them.
 
2012-12-14 05:12:40 AM

No Such Agency: Real Women Drink Akvavit:
I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing,

It probably makes life a lot simpler, not expecting a career or accomplishments beyond raising children (not that that's not an accomplishment) and waiting for a man to provide for them and tell them what to do. Knowing exactly what is expected of them without doubt. Hell, I bet a lot of them don't even expect to graduate college (or, in more conservative groups, high school) once they get their Mrs. degree.

Most of us, to be fair, find independence to be scary. They just have a dogma that tells them it will never, ever be expected of them.



Sorry if there is something men can't do for you ladies it is having babies but that is what makes you special and deserving of security so young can be born.
 
2012-12-14 05:13:09 AM

El Pachuco: Brian Ryanberger: even after I told you he was God

Well shizit, if I'd known you were a prophet I wouldn't have made fun of you. I am totes sorry now.


lulz
 
2012-12-14 05:14:13 AM
You know, men wearing pants and women wearing skirts is strange because you'd think men would need more free room and air circulation for the junk so they'd have dibs on the skirt.

Pants are just a conspiracy to lower sperm count and constrict male genitals. Unless you compromise with Hammer pants.
 
2012-12-14 05:14:35 AM

Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ///hail Loki?

Hail Thor! I wear a Mjollnir pendant that is an exact copy of a an actual artifact found in Sweden that dates to around 900 AD. I saw it and had to have it!

Oh, did you notice the "if we cannot explain it then it must come from god" argument from the troll? And what about the banana argument? I had such high hopes for him with his Boobies, but even his initial followups were weak and pathetic. Like I said, damned kids just lack dedication these days.


I have bananas in my kitchen right now. The Christian deity must be like totally real, dude. It fits in my hand!

/cracks me up, every time 
//guess how many other places it could probably fit, though that would be totally gross
///unless you're into that kind of thing
 
2012-12-14 05:16:26 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Really? You are going to use the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument? If you are going to troll, then please do a better job of it. Try to come up with something better.


There's a video which explains it a lot better than I can you should check this out

Link


Give it up, dude. You blew it. Do not be so obvious with your troll, and certainly do better research. If you had done some googling into the Comfort/Cameron video you would have found plenty of sites proving just how horribly wrong their claims are. For example, you do know that the banana that they are talking about was created by humans about 150 years ago, right? Before man started cross breeding different types of bananas they were not that shape nor size. And, they all had seeds!

Also, correlation does not prove causation. One can just as easily say that Odin or Zeus or Vishnu created the banana. Just because some nutjob on the internet claims that "god" created it does not make it so. You simply cannot use that type of an argument in your troll because it is such a dead give away.
 
2012-12-14 05:17:13 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Really? You are going to use the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument? If you are going to troll, then please do a better job of it. Try to come up with something better.


There's a video which explains it a lot better than I can you should check this out

Link


Oh yeah, and just for fun, if the banana proves god is real because it the perfect fit for the human hand then who the f*ck was the pineapple created for?
 
2012-12-14 05:18:15 AM

Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Really? You are going to use the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument? If you are going to troll, then please do a better job of it. Try to come up with something better.


There's a video which explains it a lot better than I can you should check this out

Link

Oh yeah, and just for fun, if the banana proves god is real because it the perfect fit for the human hand then who the f*ck was the pineapple created for?


Really kinky bastards.
 
2012-12-14 05:18:45 AM

Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.


I guess you missed the bit where I said I was a mormon........been there, done that, got the bakers hat and green apron............. i dont need to be told what they believe.


let me guess.... youre a repub, right? got caught up in mittens failed presidential bid and accepted his campaign spiel that 'mormons are Christian...... well take it form an ex-mo...... it aint so, joe
 
2012-12-14 05:18:47 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ///hail Loki?

Hail Thor! I wear a Mjollnir pendant that is an exact copy of a an actual artifact found in Sweden that dates to around 900 AD. I saw it and had to have it!

Oh, did you notice the "if we cannot explain it then it must come from god" argument from the troll? And what about the banana argument? I had such high hopes for him with his Boobies, but even his initial followups were weak and pathetic. Like I said, damned kids just lack dedication these days.

I have bananas in my kitchen right now. The Christian deity must be like totally real, dude. It fits in my hand!

/cracks me up, every time 
//guess how many other places it could probably fit, though that would be totally gross
///unless you're into that kind of thing


Nice thing about bananas, though, is that when you take them out of the wrapper then can fit in four more places! (The ears and nostrils.)
 
2012-12-14 05:19:30 AM

Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Really? You are going to use the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument? If you are going to troll, then please do a better job of it. Try to come up with something better.


There's a video which explains it a lot better than I can you should check this out

Link

Oh yeah, and just for fun, if the banana proves god is real because it the perfect fit for the human hand then who the f*ck was the pineapple created for?


Hitler
 
2012-12-14 05:20:54 AM

Brian Ryanberger: No Such Agency: Real Women Drink Akvavit:
I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing,

It probably makes life a lot simpler, not expecting a career or accomplishments beyond raising children (not that that's not an accomplishment) and waiting for a man to provide for them and tell them what to do. Knowing exactly what is expected of them without doubt. Hell, I bet a lot of them don't even expect to graduate college (or, in more conservative groups, high school) once they get their Mrs. degree.

Most of us, to be fair, find independence to be scary. They just have a dogma that tells them it will never, ever be expected of them.


Sorry if there is something men can't do for you ladies it is having babies but that is what makes you special and deserving of security so young can be born.


Get a cat or something. They at least don't ask for money or gaming systems.

Well, not usually. 

/cheaper than a kid, and probably not hazardous to the female's life 
//there are a lot things men can't effectively do for women, which is why sex toys are so popular
 
2012-12-14 05:21:34 AM
Brian Ryanberger:
No Such Agency: Real Women Drink Akvavit:
I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing,

It probably makes life a lot simpler, not expecting a career or accomplishments beyond raising children (not that that's not an accomplishment) and waiting for a man to provide for them and tell them what to do. Knowing exactly what is expected of them without doubt. Hell, I bet a lot of them don't even expect to graduate college (or, in more conservative groups, high school) once they get their Mrs. degree.

Most of us, to be fair, find independence to be scary. They just have a dogma that tells them it will never, ever be expected of them.

Sorry if there is something men can't do for you ladies it is having babies but that is what makes you special and deserving of security so young can be born.


Shoo, troll.
 
2012-12-14 05:23:01 AM
Upset by feminists? Just turn it off!
 
2012-12-14 05:24:32 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I am pretty loaded right now, but don't monkeys eat bananas also? Don't bananas also fit perfectly in a monkey's hand? Are you then saying monkeys are like humans and you believe in evolution?
 
2012-12-14 05:28:29 AM

furterfan: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

I guess you missed the bit where I said I was a mormon........been there, done that, got the bakers hat and green apron............. i dont need to be told what they believe.


let me guess.... youre a repub, right? got caught up in mittens failed presidential bid and accepted his campaign spiel that 'mormons are Christian...... well take it form an ex-mo...... it aint so, joe


Nope. Not a republican.

Mormons worship christ, right? Hades, the official name of their mythology is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! That makes them christian. That is not my opinion. That is fact. You can deny it all you want, but mormons are christians. It is kind of like how many sects of christianity claim that catholics are not christian because they pray to Mary and saints. Sorry, but it does not work that way. Just because they do not believe catholics to be christians does not make it so. Same holds true to you. You can repeat the lie all you want that mormons are not christians, but it does not change reality at all.
 
2012-12-14 05:32:05 AM

shintochick: Correct me if I'm wrong, because I am pretty loaded right now, but don't monkeys eat bananas also? Don't bananas also fit perfectly in a monkey's hand? Are you then saying monkeys are like humans and you believe in evolution?


So, hail Darwin!

/good point, one I had not thought of before
 
2012-12-14 05:33:38 AM
Man, you guys are getting played by someone that registered the same day they're trolling.
Even the Politics tab identified him right away.
 
2012-12-14 05:34:09 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Working now (clearly). Not sure why I was getting a server error earlier.

Were you wearing pants before?

Well, that would be a problem. Wearing pants while online angers the gods of networking.


OK pants off. What's next?
 
2012-12-14 05:38:54 AM
I'm not sure why, but I get the distinct impression that there were only two or three actually people in this thread. I'm thinking the rest were alts. And I suspect some people here were arguing with their own alts.
 
2012-12-14 05:39:48 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Man, you guys are getting played by someone that registered the same day they're trolling.
Even the Politics tab identified him right away.


We identified him on Page 1. We are just curious as to how he performs. Also, for me at least, I want to give him some pointers because the quality of trolls seems to have gone downhill this past year. The kids just are not putting the effort into it that they should. It is all that Justin Beiber and One Direction noise that they listen to.
 
2012-12-14 05:41:53 AM
Where are the pictures of pantless Mormon women?
 
2012-12-14 05:42:47 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Brian Ryanberger: No Such Agency: Real Women Drink Akvavit:
I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing,

It probably makes life a lot simpler, not expecting a career or accomplishments beyond raising children (not that that's not an accomplishment) and waiting for a man to provide for them and tell them what to do. Knowing exactly what is expected of them without doubt. Hell, I bet a lot of them don't even expect to graduate college (or, in more conservative groups, high school) once they get their Mrs. degree.

Most of us, to be fair, find independence to be scary. They just have a dogma that tells them it will never, ever be expected of them.


Sorry if there is something men can't do for you ladies it is having babies but that is what makes you special and deserving of security so young can be born.

Get a cat or something. They at least don't ask for money or gaming systems.

Well, not usually. 

/cheaper than a kid, and probably not hazardous to the female's life 
//there are a lot things men can't effectively do for women, which is why sex toys are so popular


They will, however, steal your D&D dice if you leave them unattended while gaming! And, the dice will be hidden for months and months. Then, some day, at 3am. You will get up to go to the bathroom or the kitchen and you will step on a 4-sided die in your bare feet! Or, you will get woken up by the sound of a 20-sider bouncing off the walls! Still, I would not trade by two cats for the hottest christian woman in the world. My cats might be animals, but they are smarter than the average christian.
 
2012-12-14 05:43:23 AM

nogames2k4: Where are the pictures of pantless Mormon women?


On the BYU website.
 
2012-12-14 05:44:32 AM

fusillade762: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Working now (clearly). Not sure why I was getting a server error earlier.

Were you wearing pants before?

Well, that would be a problem. Wearing pants while online angers the gods of networking.

OK pants off. What's next?


You can now see what fits perfectly in your hand.
 
2012-12-14 05:44:34 AM

fusillade762: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Working now (clearly). Not sure why I was getting a server error earlier.

Were you wearing pants before?

Well, that would be a problem. Wearing pants while online angers the gods of networking.

OK pants off. What's next?


Shopping at the mall, obviously! While talking about monkeys, bananas, teens and their poor fashion choices and online trolls. Oh, and we gotta hit the Orange Julius place, cuz it is yummy. I like the classic one, no bananas (those should obviously only go in your hand, or ummmm, a few other places they fit) or anything else. Just a wild shopping spree, with free samples and tons of shenanigans.

*squee of delight goes here*

/I got bail money, do you?
 
2012-12-14 05:50:47 AM

Mock26: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Brian Ryanberger: No Such Agency: Real Women Drink Akvavit:
I do seriously wonder about teh wimmens who think they are nothing more than baby factories and that is a good thing,

It probably makes life a lot simpler, not expecting a career or accomplishments beyond raising children (not that that's not an accomplishment) and waiting for a man to provide for them and tell them what to do. Knowing exactly what is expected of them without doubt. Hell, I bet a lot of them don't even expect to graduate college (or, in more conservative groups, high school) once they get their Mrs. degree.

Most of us, to be fair, find independence to be scary. They just have a dogma that tells them it will never, ever be expected of them.


Sorry if there is something men can't do for you ladies it is having babies but that is what makes you special and deserving of security so young can be born.

Get a cat or something. They at least don't ask for money or gaming systems.

Well, not usually. 

/cheaper than a kid, and probably not hazardous to the female's life 
//there are a lot things men can't effectively do for women, which is why sex toys are so popular

They will, however, steal your D&D dice if you leave them unattended while gaming! And, the dice will be hidden for months and months. Then, some day, at 3am. You will get up to go to the bathroom or the kitchen and you will step on a 4-sided die in your bare feet! Or, you will get woken up by the sound of a 20-sider bouncing off the walls! Still, I would not trade by two cats for the hottest christian woman in the world. My cats might be animals, but they are smarter than the average christian.


Oh, hells no! No one touches my 20 sided die! Even my very gentle son would go after them for that!

Unless it was the GoGo Beastie. As a cat, she gets a free pass. My son also likes cats, cuz he was raised by ME.
 
2012-12-14 05:53:17 AM

Mock26: Mock26::
Mormons worship christ, right? Hades, the official name of their mythology is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! That makes them christian. That is not my opinion. That is fact. You can deny it all you want, but mormons are christians. It is kind of like how many sects of christianity claim that catholics are not christian because they pray to Mary and saints. Sorry, but it does not work that way. Just because they do not believe catholics to be christians does not make it so. Same holds true to you. You can repeat the lie all you want that mormons are not christians, but it does not change reality at all.


Ah, OK I apologize, I see where you're coming from now

only three sorts of people ever refer to the Morg as Christians

1) Mormons themselves (although, interestingly, at various points in their history, they have sought to distance themselves from Christianity in general, as they do not accept any other denomination as correct.... they even say that all 'Christian' churches are run by people in the pay of 'Satan' - it was a standard part of their temple 'endowment' ritual)

2) people who are deceived or ignorant - most recently, Mittens presidency bid pushed the church to emphasis their christian credentials (they could hardly expect him to win, when everyone regarded them as a cult) - people who know nothing about the church, but see the official name has the title 'Jesus Christ' in it

3) people who assume that anyone who accepts Jesus as the Christ must be christian.....i guess this is where you fit in...............the trouble with this, is that (according to the gospels) Satan accepted Jesus as the Christ............Is Satan a Christian?.....................that's a fun problem to ponder on, isn't it?
 
2012-12-14 06:15:09 AM
86 comments in a Mormon thread and not a single Romney joke? Wow, he has fallen quickly from the collective awareness.
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-14 06:19:17 AM
A group of Mormon feminists

I'm having trouble thinking of a less fun group of people...
 
2012-12-14 06:20:46 AM

furterfan: Mock26: Mock26::
Mormons worship christ, right? Hades, the official name of their mythology is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! That makes them christian. That is not my opinion. That is fact. You can deny it all you want, but mormons are christians. It is kind of like how many sects of christianity claim that catholics are not christian because they pray to Mary and saints. Sorry, but it does not work that way. Just because they do not believe catholics to be christians does not make it so. Same holds true to you. You can repeat the lie all you want that mormons are not christians, but it does not change reality at all.

Ah, OK I apologize, I see where you're coming from now

only three sorts of people ever refer to the Morg as Christians

1) Mormons themselves (although, interestingly, at various points in their history, they have sought to distance themselves from Christianity in general, as they do not accept any other denomination as correct.... they even say that all 'Christian' churches are run by people in the pay of 'Satan' - it was a standard part of their temple 'endowment' ritual)

2) people who are deceived or ignorant - most recently, Mittens presidency bid pushed the church to emphasis their christian credentials (they could hardly expect him to win, when everyone regarded them as a cult) - people who know nothing about the church, but see the official name has the title 'Jesus Christ' in it

3) people who assume that anyone who accepts Jesus as the Christ must be christian.....i guess this is where you fit in...............the trouble with this, is that (according to the gospels) Satan accepted Jesus as the Christ............Is Satan a Christian?.....................that's a fun problem to ponder on, isn't it?


I thought that according to Judaism, Satan was still in heaven, doing their god's will. I will never completely understand any of those faiths. They're all entirely too weird, even for me. 

/also, Catholics do not pray TO Mary and the Saints, they pray THROUGH them, as I have been told
//big diff 
///Satan is a heavy metal album cover icon, as is the concept of "hell" YAY!!!
*starts drunken dance to old heavy metal (Slayer, South of Heaven, of course), cuz why not*
 
2012-12-14 06:31:31 AM
been faceybookin' for the last few days with my mormon pals about this.
The general thought is that your deity doesn't give a shiat what you wear.
The older gals are more vociferous on this point

Mormonism is strange and has odd beliefs
but it's no stranger than the other popular religions
got some damn decent people who have chosen to worship the invisible
and anything is better than jehovahs witnesses/scientologists
 
2012-12-14 06:32:49 AM

furterfan: Mock26: Mock26::
Mormons worship christ, right? Hades, the official name of their mythology is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! That makes them christian. That is not my opinion. That is fact. You can deny it all you want, but mormons are christians. It is kind of like how many sects of christianity claim that catholics are not christian because they pray to Mary and saints. Sorry, but it does not work that way. Just because they do not believe catholics to be christians does not make it so. Same holds true to you. You can repeat the lie all you want that mormons are not christians, but it does not change reality at all.

Ah, OK I apologize, I see where you're coming from now

only three sorts of people ever refer to the Morg as Christians

1) Mormons themselves (although, interestingly, at various points in their history, they have sought to distance themselves from Christianity in general, as they do not accept any other denomination as correct.... they even say that all 'Christian' churches are run by people in the pay of 'Satan' - it was a standard part of their temple 'endowment' ritual)

2) people who are deceived or ignorant - most recently, Mittens presidency bid pushed the church to emphasis their christian credentials (they could hardly expect him to win, when everyone regarded them as a cult) - people who know nothing about the church, but see the official name has the title 'Jesus Christ' in it

3) people who assume that anyone who accepts Jesus as the Christ must be christian.....i guess this is where you fit in...............the trouble with this, is that (according to the gospels) Satan accepted Jesus as the Christ............Is Satan a Christian?.....................that's a fun problem to ponder on, isn't it?


I have no personal stake in this (as in not being a christian or mormon or jew or anything else), but I am simply approaching it from an academic point of view. In other words, according to academic definition, Mormonism falls under the heading of nontrinitarian christianity. Talk to any comparative religion professor and they will tell you that mormons are a subsect of christianity. As for satanism, they are not part of christianity because they do not worship christ as the son of god. They may accept him as such, but they do not worship him.

As for the title of the main sect of mormonism, I know that it goes deeper than that. But, jesus is the main figure of the history behind mormonism, what with his traveling to North America to smoke the peace pipe with the Indians and all that. It does not matter if most people consider this to be hogwash, that does not change that the acceptance of christ as the son of god and worshiping him as such is one of the key parts of the definition of being a christian. All that other stuff about Joseph Smith and the seer stone and all that is just window dressing. Just like worshiping Mary and the various saints does not mean that catholics are not christians, wearing special undergarments and believing the lost tribes sailed to America does not mean that mormons are not christians.
 
2012-12-14 06:40:48 AM

Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.


I would say that all those times you avoided death is proof of God's blessing on your life and somewhere down the road He has major plans for using you which is why your life has been spared so many times. Of course it is still up to you to listen and come to Christ.

that being said, if you choose not to listen, well I'm sure you understand the position of Pro Choice and the Meaning of Consequence of your choices. Such is both the beauty and horror of free will.
 
2012-12-14 06:41:47 AM
Just wait until they wear some LuLu Lemon... then it will be the end of the world.
 
2012-12-14 06:57:17 AM

Waldo Pepper: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.

I would say that all those times you avoided death is proof of God's blessing on your life and somewhere down the road He has major plans for using you which is why your life has been spared so many times. Of course it is still up to you to listen and come to Christ.

that being said, if you choose not to listen, well I'm sure you understand the position of Pro Choice and the Meaning of Consequence of your choices. Such is both the beauty and horror of free will.


Prove that is was the supposed god of the christian myth who saved my life. And, at the same time, prove that it was not some other God, Goddess, or group of Deities. Simply claiming that it was god is meaningless. I could say that it was proof that Thor was looking out for me. Or Zeus. Or Vishnu. Or Thoth. And my statement would have just as much validity as your own. When you get right down to it all such words are meaningless. All those who believe in a higher would claim that their particular Deity or Deities were looking out for me, and since they cannot all be right how do you know that yours is correct? When you get right down to it faith is, for the most part, merely a matter of childhood conditioning and geography.

Out of curiosity, why do you believe the the supposed god of the christian mythology? Is it because you were raised to believe it? Or perhaps you have been given some sign that proves not only christianity to be correct but your particular sect to be the right one? I do not ask to mock, I really want to know why you follow one particular religion and not any of the others? Surely there must be something there besides just faith or blind acceptance.
 
2012-12-14 07:08:28 AM
I don't go to church but back when the family did, they were Quaker. I like the way the Quakers did things, I like the attitude. All Christian denominations should strive to be more Quaker. Quiet service until someone is moved to speak. No pressure. No huge rules. Everyone is equal. No fire and brimstone and none of that can't wear pants nonsense. Quaker is the way to go.
 
2012-12-14 07:37:31 AM

Mock26: Waldo Pepper: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.

I would say that all those times you avoided death is proof of God's blessing on your life and somewhere down the road He has major plans for using you which is why your life has been spared so many times. Of course it is still up to you to listen and come to Christ.

that being said, if you choose not to listen, well I'm sure you understand the position of Pro Choice and the Meaning of Consequence of your choices. Such is both the beauty and horror of free will.

Prove that is was the supposed god of the christian myth who saved my life. And, at the same time, prove that it was not some other God, Goddess, or group of Deities. Simply claiming that it was god is ...


If it was a healing thing, it was Eir, a goddess. Yup, they can be all real, which is part of polytheism, I've just never figured out how that would work. Part of the reason I'm an agnostic, though still a Heathen. Works for me.

*starts to ponder, decides to have sudden broomstick battle with her sis in the garage instead, as it is much more entertaining*

/will worry about that kind of thing when I get there and start finding myself saying hails to Lady Hel
//except the broomstick battle, which I'll worry about as soon as I manage to wake up my sis
en garde!
 
2012-12-14 07:37:42 AM

Mock26: Waldo Pepper: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.

I would say that all those times you avoided death is proof of God's blessing on your life and somewhere down the road He has major plans for using you which is why your life has been spared so many times. Of course it is still up to you to listen and come to Christ.

that being said, if you choose not to listen, well I'm sure you understand the position of Pro Choice and the Meaning of Consequence of your choices. Such is both the beauty and horror of free will.

Prove that is was the supposed god of the christian myth who saved my life. And, at the same time, prove that it was not some other God, Goddess, or group of Deities. Simply claiming that it was god is ...


well this was about you and not me and as I stated, God has allowed you to avoid death for some future purpose if you choose to believe. At some future point in time will come proof that to you that God exist and that will only be when you allow your heart to soften to His word. I can not furnish you proof to anything that you have harden your heart to not believe.
 
2012-12-14 07:40:58 AM
religion does not work this way. If you dont want to follow the rules of a religion, dont be in that religion.

If your chuch has beliefs that your god wants you to follow certain rules, they then dont get to tell your god no because several of the paritioners want to wear pants.
 
2012-12-14 07:42:25 AM

Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.


Except that Mormons aren't Christian. They get the word from Joseph Smith who read some strange tablets out of a hat.
 
2012-12-14 07:50:38 AM

SithLord: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Except that Mormons aren't Christian. They get the word from Joseph Smith who read some strange tablets out of a hat.


But, but, but, those tablets were golden!

/laughs herself silly
 
2012-12-14 08:00:30 AM

Valiente: Jesus apparently frowns on commas and sentence structure.

And bacon and foreskins.


You read my mind.
 
2012-12-14 08:09:31 AM
Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!
 
2012-12-14 08:23:07 AM
I tried a GIS of Mormon women not wearing pants. They really did break Google image search. I got the exact opposite.

senselessramblingsofthemindless.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-14 08:41:16 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: fusillade762: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Working now (clearly). Not sure why I was getting a server error earlier.

Were you wearing pants before?

Well, that would be a problem. Wearing pants while online angers the gods of networking.

OK pants off. What's next?

Shopping at the mall, obviously! While talking about monkeys, bananas, teens and their poor fashion choices and online trolls. Oh, and we gotta hit the Orange Julius place, cuz it is yummy. I like the classic one, no bananas (those should obviously only go in your hand, or ummmm, a few other places they fit) or anything else. Just a wild shopping spree, with free samples and tons of shenanigans.

*squee of delight goes here*

/I got bail money, do you?


He left his bail money in his pants.
 
2012-12-14 08:47:47 AM

Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.


Christians believe in magic underwear now?

Mormons = cult
 
2012-12-14 08:51:00 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.


You say you've been there at deaths door and you didn't call out for God but I say you haven't really been there yet if you only had one parachute fail because maybe next time they both fail and what then? You will only know then but God has always known you.

/bsbd

If both chutes were to fail, I would probably call out the names of my cats, because unlike this supposed god of your particular mythology, I know with absolute certainty that my cats are real.

Now, let me ask you something, how do you know that this supposed god that you worship is real? In other words, why are you a christian? Do you have proof? Or is it simply because you were told to beli ...

I know it in my heart and you can't look into my heart without cutting it out and that is murder so I guess there is no way for me to show you and you just have to come to Jesus on your own which makes it all even more perfect and perfection is God so it sort of proves it yet again. Of course you can feel free to shun Jesus even after being confronted with all of the evidence and reject your Maker but that just seems silly since the price is eternity.


Kirk Cameron's fark account?
 
2012-12-14 08:51:30 AM

Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Really? You are going to use the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument? If you are going to troll, then please do a better job of it. Try to come up with something better.


There's a video which explains it a lot better than I can you should check this out

Link

Oh yeah, and just for fun, if the banana proves god is real because it the perfect fit for the human hand then who the f*ck was the pineapple created for?


Hitler. It's got to be 3 o'clock somewhere.
 
2012-12-14 08:54:02 AM
Would anyone like to actually have a discussion about the contents of the article, or have we decided that it's more fun to feed trolls?

Here look, I'll start.

This issue is less about dress-code in general, and more specifically about dress-code at worship services. Having been to multiple Mormon prevalent campuses, that are indeed, filled with attractive ladies wearing jeans and pants, I can say that there is no issue of wearing pants in this religion.

This immediately strikes out any comparison to Burkas. And the rest of some of you herpaderps.

The issue comes down to the fact that there are very specific cultural dress-codes for the services. Not incredibly specific, but generally, White shirt, tie, pants, for guys. A whole host of dress advisories for women. Modest, blahblahblah. NOTE: These dress codes are only for American congregations. Whatever the host culture dictates as respectful, that's the expected attire. In Polynesia, guys wear Lava-lavas and women breast feed after sacrament. This is really about as much of a non-issue as a school dress code being changed. Except it happens to be happening with a church. This is a message, as there are no ACTUAL rules. There's generalized advice about attire, and it mostly comes down to 'Be respectful'. What this group is trying to say is that Pants on women is respectful attire.
 
2012-12-14 08:57:08 AM

dopekitty74: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

Christians believe in magic underwear now?

Mormons = cult


Link
Link
Link

As a matter of fact, yes, there happens to be a whole host of specialized symbols, both worn and used in Christianity. AS DOES EVERY OTHER SINGLE FARKING RELIGION.
 
2012-12-14 08:59:54 AM

david_gaithersburg: fusillade762: Why can't I post in this thread?

.
Only bigots are allowed to post here.


There's that word again (bigot) that Mormons love to use so much. Seriously, it's almost like you have one central authority that shoots out the talking points for you to use.
 
2012-12-14 09:01:08 AM

AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary

ts3.mm.bing.net

ts1.mm.bing.net

 
2012-12-14 09:01:26 AM

Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.


Mormons aren't Christian, so that invalidates your concern about making fun of Christians.
 
2012-12-14 09:02:21 AM

Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.


not according to some Christians
 
2012-12-14 09:04:15 AM

ramblinwreck: david_gaithersburg: fusillade762: Why can't I post in this thread?

.
Only bigots are allowed to post here.

There's that word again (bigot) that Mormons love to use so much. Seriously, it's almost like you have one central authority that shoots out the talking points for you to use.


Yeah. It's not like there was an order for them to be exterminated either by execution or by exposure any time within the last 150 years by an arm of the federal government or anything. Mormons have never been subjected to bigotry and have absolutely no reason to fear public opinion or be cautious when things do look like they're getting ugly and call out prejudice.
 
2012-12-14 09:06:01 AM
Mormon here.

I have no idea what the crap they're going on about. I have worn pants to church before and--while it'ts been a long time--I'd feel more than comfortable wearing them again. There will always be a percentage of nosy buttinskies that confront others and "correct" behavior; I was in a ward once where a woman ranted to all the women in the meeting about the inappropriateness of wearing open-toed shoes or *gasp* flip flops to church. Another ward I was in had a man-hater lady that insisted on being "recognized" every father's day because as a single mom she had done the work of both father and mother. She would give the same speech every year and make a big deal show out of takimg one of the special treats given out to all the fathers. These people are not representatives of church leadership or even the majority. This is just another silly little crusade to correct a problem that doesn't really exist.


/typed on a tablet so sorry for the inevitable typos
 
2012-12-14 09:06:29 AM

fusillade762: Why can't I post in this thread?



because your wearing pants and now angel Meroni is upset?

 
2012-12-14 09:06:36 AM

ramblinwreck: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Mormons aren't Christian, so that invalidates your concern about making fun of Christians.


I'm glad that your opinion decides group dynamics and taxonomic analysis of theology. Tell me. Can you declare Chickens to be dinosaurs so that will be so? I've always wanted to own a dinosaur.
 
2012-12-14 09:07:46 AM
Geez! A lot of people getting their magic panties in a bunch here.
 
2012-12-14 09:13:13 AM

Hugemeister: AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary[ts3.mm.bing.net image 159x151][ts1.mm.bing.net image 236x155]


Bad Analogy. Bad! Down boy!

More equivalent to a functional version of :



Y'know. For people who actually have jobs.
 
2012-12-14 09:13:56 AM

Kinek: Hugemeister: AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary[ts3.mm.bing.net image 159x151][ts1.mm.bing.net image 236x155]

Bad Analogy. Bad! Down boy!

More equivalent to a functional version of :

upload.wikimedia.org

Y'know. For people who actually have jobs.

 
2012-12-14 09:14:06 AM

furterfan: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

I guess you missed the bit where I said I was a mormon........been there, done that, got the bakers hat and green apron............. i dont need to be told what they believe.


let me guess.... youre a repub, right? got caught up in mittens failed presidential bid and accepted his campaign spiel that 'mormons are Christian...... well take it form an ex-mo...... it aint so, joe


This.

Tell me what Christian denies the trinity; believes a woman's salvation is through her husband (via calling of her secret name); conducts veil ceremonies with secret handshakes; baptize by proxy for dead people; and on and on....
 
2012-12-14 09:22:13 AM

ramblinwreck: furterfan: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

I guess you missed the bit where I said I was a mormon........been there, done that, got the bakers hat and green apron............. i dont need to be told what they believe.


let me guess.... youre a repub, right? got caught up in mittens failed presidential bid and accepted his campaign spiel that 'mormons are Christian...... well take it form an ex-mo...... it aint so, joe

This.

Tell me what Christian denies the trinity; believes a woman's salvation is through her husband (via calling of her secret name); conducts veil ceremonies with secret handshakes; baptize by proxy for dead people; and on and on....


Oh. Are we going to start singling out idiosyncracies based on single denominations? Oooh. Let me start.

Catholics aren't Christian. What Christian uses icons, images, and representations of saints as a supplement in services.

Protestants aren't Christian. What Christian doesn't believe in the literal transubstantiation of the host during the eucharist?

Quakers aren't Christian. What Christian doesn't believe in the use of clergy, lay or otherwise, in the Administration of Christ's church?

Amish aren't Christians. What Christian believes that anything not mentioned in the Bible is not approved for man?

Seventh Day Adventists aren't Christian. What Christian DOESN'T worship on Sunday?

Should I go on, or have I made my point clear? Because I can go on.
 
2012-12-14 09:23:08 AM

Kinek: dopekitty74: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

Christians believe in magic underwear now?

Mormons = cult

Link
Link
Link

As a matter of fact, yes, there happens to be a whole host of specialized symbols, both worn and used in Christianity. AS DOES EVERY OTHER SINGLE FARKING RELIGION.


Yeah, and every single religion is a mass of fairy tales meant to control the masses.

/non-believer
//if i were gonna worship ANY god it would likely be isis, i loves me the kittehs
 
2012-12-14 09:25:17 AM

dopekitty74: Kinek: dopekitty74: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

Christians believe in magic underwear now?

Mormons = cult

Link
Link
Link

As a matter of fact, yes, there happens to be a whole host of specialized symbols, both worn and used in Christianity. AS DOES EVERY OTHER SINGLE FARKING RELIGION.

Yeah, and every single religion is a mass of fairy tales meant to control the masses.

/non-believer
//if i were gonna worship ANY god it would likely be isis, i loves me the kittehs


That wasn't the argument in question. I lean on the agnostic side myself, but bad arguments, misinformation, and flato out ignorance of theological ideas grate like a migraine.

But thanks for adding a comment that had absolutely nothing to do with the post.
 
2012-12-14 09:25:35 AM

Hugemeister: AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary


Either he's stuffing, or he's got himself a nice mormon sausage there...

/wonder how his 14 yr old wife likes it?
 
2012-12-14 09:29:46 AM

dopekitty74: Hugemeister: AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary

Either he's stuffing, or he's got himself a nice mormon sausage there...

/wonder how his 14 yr old wife likes it?


Ah yes. Accusations of Hebephilia. Always a classic response for the ignorant. It's just as classy when the Christian Right accuses all gays of being child molesters.

You'd be thinking of the FLDS. Who are not members of the LDS group. I'll give you a hint as to why. Also a clue. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NAMES.
 
2012-12-14 09:33:36 AM

Kinek: dopekitty74: Kinek: dopekitty74: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

Christians believe in magic underwear now?

Mormons = cult

Link
Link
Link

As a matter of fact, yes, there happens to be a whole host of specialized symbols, both worn and used in Christianity. AS DOES EVERY OTHER SINGLE FARKING RELIGION.

Yeah, and every single religion is a mass of fairy tales meant to control the masses.

/non-believer
//if i were gonna worship ANY god it would likely be isis, i loves me the kittehs

That wasn't the argument in question. I lean on the agnostic side myself, but bad arguments, misinformation, and flato out ignorance of theological ideas grate like a migraine.

But thanks for adding a comment that had absolutely nothing to do with the post.


ZOMG! A person giving their religious opinion in a religion thread!

/call the thread police, i've been a bad bad girl
//puts hands behind back for the cuffs
 
2012-12-14 09:34:47 AM

Dallymo: When I was a child I wore pants to church. One of our neighbors took it upon herself to speak to my mother about it.

I'm about a hundred and fifty-three now, and I don't go to church, but still. Try to keep up, Mormons.

/wear pants a lot, still, though


An how's yous doin?
 
2012-12-14 09:37:50 AM

dopekitty74: Kinek: dopekitty74: Kinek: dopekitty74: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

Christians believe in magic underwear now?

Mormons = cult

Link
Link
Link

As a matter of fact, yes, there happens to be a whole host of specialized symbols, both worn and used in Christianity. AS DOES EVERY OTHER SINGLE FARKING RELIGION.

Yeah, and every single religion is a mass of fairy tales meant to control the masses.

/non-believer
//if i were gonna worship ANY god it would likely be isis, i loves me the kittehs

That wasn't the argument in question. I lean on the agnostic side myself, but bad arguments, misinformation, and flato out ignorance of theological ideas grate like a migraine.

But thanks for adding a comment that had absolutely nothing to do with the post.

ZOMG! A person giving their religious opinion in a religion thread!

/call the thread police, i've been a bad bad girl
//puts hands behind back for the cuffs


OMG. Someone making a comment about how a question was stupid. The question was, you puerile waste of a brain, Do Christians believe in Magic Underwear. The answer is YES. Simply not that specific type of magic underwear. And that magic clothes are a common archetype of every mythology ever created.

The answer is not: DURR. RELIGION DUMB. I LOVE KITTEHS.
 
2012-12-14 09:41:28 AM

fusillade762: AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary

[www.brisbanetimes.com.au image 600x392] 

Good thing there aren't any other religions out there that dictate how their women are supposed to dress.


Except that the Koran doesn't say anything about burkas. They're a cultural garment, not religious, and a significant number of muslims despise them.
 
2012-12-14 09:41:40 AM
I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.
 
2012-12-14 09:47:02 AM

error 303: I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.


That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.
 
2012-12-14 09:48:43 AM
fine. they can do my home teaching and teach elders quorum for me. and help my neighbors move.
 
2012-12-14 09:51:19 AM

teeny: Mormon here.

I have no idea what the crap they're going on about. I have worn pants to church before and--while it'ts been a long time--I'd feel more than comfortable wearing them again. There will always be a percentage of nosy buttinskies that confront others and "correct" behavior; I was in a ward once where a woman ranted to all the women in the meeting about the inappropriateness of wearing open-toed shoes or *gasp* flip flops to church. Another ward I was in had a man-hater lady that insisted on being "recognized" every father's day because as a single mom she had done the work of both father and mother. She would give the same speech every year and make a big deal show out of takimg one of the special treats given out to all the fathers. These people are not representatives of church leadership or even the majority. This is just another silly little crusade to correct a problem that doesn't really exist.

/typed on a tablet so sorry for the inevitable typos


all the guy RMs from Fiji wear dresses, so whatever. the Church is gay now, I guess.
 
2012-12-14 09:51:39 AM

ChrisDe: I tried a GIS of Mormon women not wearing pants. They really did break Google image search. I got the exact opposite.

senselessramblingsofthemindless.files.wordpress.com


It's not broken, you just need to add "porn" to get the desired result.

mormonmatters.org

/why won't you think of the children?
 
2012-12-14 09:52:28 AM

Kinek:

Yeah. It's not like there was an order for them to be exterminated either by execution or by exposure any time within the last 150 years by an arm of the federal government or anything. Mormons have never been subjected to bigotry and have absolutely no reason to fear public opinion or be cautious when things do look like they're getting ugly and call out prejudice.



ohhh Kinek...... dont make me go all factual on your a**........ you know mormons dont like facts

How many Mormons were killed as a result of Boggs' order? A thousand? A hundred? Dozens?

How about none. Zero.

Boggs issued his order only after the Mormons had looted and burned two towns and then attacked a group of state militia who were guarding a county border.

But what about Hans Mill? The group that attacked Hans Mill hadn't received the order yet, and made a peremptory attack on the Mormons there because they believed that the Mormons were about to come and kill them.

Much of the Mormon belief about their "persecution" in Missouri stems from Smith's narcissism and the lies he perpetrated in order to try to squeeze compensation out of the federal government.


Kinek wrote: Ah yes. Accusations of Hebephilia. Always a classic response for the ignorant. It's just as classy when the Christian Right accuses all gays of being child molesters.

Here's a card for you..... Merry Smithmas

http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/09/the-many-wives-of-joseph-sm i th.html

note the ages of Helen Marr Kimball and Nancy Winchester.
 
2012-12-14 09:52:34 AM

Trucker: Geez! A lot of people getting their magic panties in a bunch here.


hate it when that happens.
 
2012-12-14 09:52:41 AM

Kinek: ramblinwreck: furterfan: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

I guess you missed the bit where I said I was a mormon........been there, done that, got the bakers hat and green apron............. i dont need to be told what they believe.


let me guess.... youre a repub, right? got caught up in mittens failed presidential bid and accepted his campaign spiel that 'mormons are Christian...... well take it form an ex-mo...... it aint so, joe

This.

Tell me what Christian denies the trinity; believes a woman's salvation is through her husband (via calling of her secret name); conducts veil ceremonies with secret handshakes; baptize by proxy for dead people; and on and on....

Oh. Are we going to start singling out idiosyncracies based on single denominations? Oooh. Let me start.

Catholics aren't Christian. What Christian uses icons, images, and representations of saints as a supplement in services.

Protestants aren't Christian. What Christian doesn't believe in the literal transubstantiation of the host during the eucharist?

Quakers aren't Christian. What Christian doesn't believe in the use of clergy, lay or otherwise, in the Administration of Christ's church?

Amish aren't Christians. What Christian believes that anything not mentioned in the Bible is not approved for man?

Seventh Day Adventists aren't Christian. What Christian DOESN'T worship on Sunday?

Should I go on, or have I made my point clear? Because I can go on.


Sorry, but accepting the trinity (which Mormons don't) is not an idiosyncrasy. It's just as important as accepting the birth, passion, and resurrection of Christ. All of those things I just mentioned are believed by EVERY denomination of Christianity. Christ is/was not a separate, glorified man that became like God through faith and progression. He IS God.
 
2012-12-14 09:55:46 AM

Ishkur: But they'll still have their heads covered.

/1 Corinthians 11:5-6


oh, you've been through, too?
 
2012-12-14 10:00:22 AM

Kinek: That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.


That would explain it then. I would have loved to go into the Temple itself, it seemed kind of cool from the outside. I guess the whole experience just wasn't at all what I expected, but it sounds like my expectations were off.
 
2012-12-14 10:04:32 AM
I think a group of feminist Mormon women are about to get a quick and brutal introduction to the fact that no one cares whether they wear pants, dresses, skirts, etc. They'll have to announce it and the reason for it before anyone even notices.

"I'M WEARING PANTS!"
"I like cheese."
"Sorry?"
"Oh, I thought we were playing that game were we say things about ourselves that no one gives a damn about."
"My husband is wearing purple"
"I have a third nipple."
 
2012-12-14 10:18:51 AM

furterfan: Kinek:

Yeah. It's not like there was an order for them to be exterminated either by execution or by exposure any time within the last 150 years by an arm of the federal government or anything. Mormons have never been subjected to bigotry and have absolutely no reason to fear public opinion or be cautious when things do look like they're getting ugly and call out prejudice.


ohhh Kinek...... dont make me go all factual on your a**........ you know mormons dont like facts

How many Mormons were killed as a result of Boggs' order? A thousand? A hundred? Dozens?

How about none. Zero.

Boggs issued his order only after the Mormons had looted and burned two towns and then attacked a group of state militia who were guarding a county border.

But what about Hans Mill? The group that attacked Hans Mill hadn't received the order yet, and made a peremptory attack on the Mormons there because they believed that the Mormons were about to come and kill them.

Much of the Mormon belief about their "persecution" in Missouri stems from Smith's narcissism and the lies he perpetrated in order to try to squeeze compensation out of the federal government.


Kinek wrote: Ah yes. Accusations of Hebephilia. Always a classic response for the ignorant. It's just as classy when the Christian Right accuses all gays of being child molesters.

Here's a card for you..... Merry Smithmas

http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/09/the-many-wives-of-joseph-s m i th.html

note the ages of Helen Marr Kimball and Nancy Winchester.


That's bullshiat and you know it. The Mormons were forced to leave Missouri in the middle of winter. Many died of exposure, all had property and land stolen. This is documented fact. Same goes for the forced marches from Nauvoo. Honestly though, the fact that there was an order to exterminate or expel all people of a particular group from a state government should suggest some kind of bigotry. Would there be any circumstances today where seizure of all Muslim's land and forced exodus would be justifiable?

Oh look. Wikipedia to the rescue.

The Mormons in Caldwell County had been forced, as part of their surrender agreement, to sign over all of their property to pay the expenses of the campaign against them; although this act was later held unlawful,[15] the Mormons were still forcibly ejected from their homes-often at gunpoint-and forced to leave Missouri with only what they could carry.

So. If not manslaughter by denial of shelter, then outright larceny.

Additionally:

Headquarters of the Militia, City of Jefferson, Oct. 27, 1838.

The Missouri legislature deferred discussion of an appeal by Mormon leaders to rescind the decree, and nearly all Latter Day Saints-more than 10,000 altogether-had been driven from the state by the spring of 1839

That would have placed the exodus in the middle of winter. Shoving someone out of their house with no supplies, provisions, and into hostile territory in the middle of winter would have caused considerable casualties. Loss of property is indisputable though.

Witnesses are mixed on this issue of Hans Mill. Each side supports their story. But a Pre-emptive strike? Against unarmed civilians? Are you farking kidding? I'm glad we got our Iraq war practice early.

And as for the marriages. Again. From Wikipedia

The marriage was kept secret, and Kimball continued to live with her parents.

In the early-17th century, women usually married between ages 20 and 23. (The aged dropped somewhat in succeeding generations and was younger in some locales than others.)

Additionally: Cited from here. http://www.jstor.org.ezp1.lib.umn.edu/stable/10.2307/203726
There are cases of 15 year old wives. In the 1700's

Another case. Independent from this cited from literature. She married in 1754 (at age 16) and bore her first child in 1757

So congratulations, you've fallen into the historians error of inserting your current social mores and judging the past by them.
 
2012-12-14 10:19:47 AM

furterfan: ----- and dont even get me started on the magic underwear (for morg who have been through the masonic temple rituals)


Except that little bit about that's not what the Mormons stole from our ritual. They lifted a lot of it but clothing isn't part of it. At least Joe had the sense to steal ritual from the best.
 
2012-12-14 10:19:51 AM

Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.


The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.
 
2012-12-14 10:20:46 AM

error 303: Kinek: That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.

That would explain it then. I would have loved to go into the Temple itself, it seemed kind of cool from the outside. I guess the whole experience just wasn't at all what I expected, but it sounds like my expectations were off.


If you ever get the chance to be around when there's an Open House for a Temple, you can go in. You have to wear little booties though to not scuff up the carpets. Honestly? Not quite as impressive as the Cathedrals of Europe or the Eastern seaboard. But still nice.
 
2012-12-14 10:23:58 AM
Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

furterfan: this is Mormons, not christians.


[notsureifserious.jpg]

Mormons ARE Christians. Or at the very least, they consider themselves to be Christians, even though many other Christian groups claim that they are not. So at least keep in mind that you're really, really going to piss Mormons off if you say that to their faces.

Of course, this is Fark, where saying things to people's faces that will piss them off is most people's main goal, so if that's the case, carry on.
 
2012-12-14 10:24:19 AM

angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.


I don't know where you got your information, but Mormons do believe in the virgin birth. Just not the Immaculate conception. Which is a different thing entirely regarding Mary. And that's a strictly Catholic and possibly Eastern Orthodox belief.
 
2012-12-14 10:27:39 AM

mouse fitzgerald: Outtaphase: When "pants or no pants" is a major philosophical tenet of your current belief system, you either need to:

A: Let go of the kiddie pool and explore the deep end of human intellect and experience

B: Have another beer, but keep your pants on. You'll wind up in a Fark headline, son.

I think we're all neglecting the real question here, which is whether "pants" is actually equivalent to "no pants"

[img.mit.edu image 368x265]


P=NP?

I know what you mean. It's a complex, unsolved problem. 

Perhaps you should relax with a cup of something that tastes almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.
 
2012-12-14 10:33:33 AM

Kinek: angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.

I don't know where you got your information, but Mormons do believe in the virgin birth. Just not the Immaculate conception. Which is a different thing entirely regarding Mary. And that's a strictly Catholic and possibly Eastern Orthodox belief.


well, sorta correct...............Bring'em young and other morg profits, stated that elohim had actual, physical sex with Mary to produce baby Jesus... it *was* a mormon doctrine.........but (like many mormon doctrines) it got changed when it became unpopular
 
2012-12-14 10:34:13 AM

angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.


Additionally, the only thing that keeps Mormons, (And I believe the Quakers), out of the Nicene creed is the idea of the Son proceeding from the Father. Which a farking stupid distinction. If you asked most non-theologically trained Christians on what the fark the Trinity is, or how "And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;" works, you're going to get a blank farking stare.

The idea of the Arian heresy is a response to pantheism and plurality of gods that the Catholic church had to respond to early in history. Christ cannot be seperate from the Father because that would make Two Gods. Which is right out of the question. So instead they came up with this in-between notion of 'One in substance, but begotten'. Mormons and a few others essentially said Fark it, Here's God. Here's Christ. God the Father gives Christ power of Attorney regarding the earth, which means he's also God. Whatever. I'm going to go watch football.
 
2012-12-14 10:34:36 AM
Next up, they are going to wear multicolored socks. They might even use electricity!
 
2012-12-14 10:35:03 AM

furterfan: Kinek: angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.

I don't know where you got your information, but Mormons do believe in the virgin birth. Just not the Immaculate conception. Which is a different thing entirely regarding Mary. And that's a strictly Catholic and possibly Eastern Orthodox belief.

well, sorta correct...............Bring'em young and other morg profits, stated that elohim had actual, physical sex with Mary to produce baby Jesus... it *was* a mormon doctrine.........but (like many mormon doctrines) it got changed when it became unpopular


Going to need a non-biased citation on that in order to deal with it.
 
2012-12-14 10:36:49 AM

angryjd: Mormons do not.


Wow. That's just plain false. From the Encyclopedia of Mormonism:

Doctrinally, Latter-day Saints do not view Mary as the intercessor with her son in behalf of those who pray and they do not pray to her. They affirm the virgin birth but reject the traditions of the immaculate conception, of Mary's perpetual virginity, and of her "assumption". Mary, like all mortals, returns to the Father only through the Atonement of her son Jesus Christ. (Unlinked citation removed)

From the Book of Mormon:

And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.

There are countless other references. A very short search will show many.
 
2012-12-14 10:37:55 AM
The more I learn about Mormonism, the weirder it is to me. Of course, all religion is silliness and nonsense but Mormons seem to have gotten an extra dollop of it.
 
2012-12-14 10:39:56 AM
I don't know where you got your information, but Mormons do believe in the virgin birth. Just not the Immaculate conception. Which is a different thing entirely regarding Mary. And that's a strictly Catholic and possibly Eastern Orthodox belief.

No they do not.

Brigham Young, second prophet and president of the LDS church said,

"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).

Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).

Joseph Fielding Smith, stated

"The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit," (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44, as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1884, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110, bookstore at 1358 South West Temple, 1982, p. 260).

Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).

Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated,

"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547).

"And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).

Heber C. Kimball who was a member of the first presidency said,

"In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it." (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211).

"The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband," (Deseret News, October 10, 1866, as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1854, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110, bookstore at 1350 South West Temple, 1982, p. 261).
 
2012-12-14 10:39:57 AM

FunkOut: You know, men wearing pants and women wearing skirts is strange because you'd think men would need more free room and air circulation for the junk so they'd have dibs on the skirt.

Pants are just a conspiracy to lower sperm count and constrict male genitals. Unless you compromise with Hammer pants.


In places where the cultural norm is for men to wear skirts, they do wear them to LDS Church Services too. Example Polynesian areas, and the Lava-lava. During the summer when it is 100F outside, I really wish lava-lavas were the cultural norm in my area too.
 
2012-12-14 10:41:37 AM

Brian Ryanberger: because no weapon has ever been built in the entire history of the earth that can stand a chance against the love of Jesus Christ. And if ...God chooses to let you kill me then that is God's will and it is not for me to argue about it at all. We have been fed to lions and burned for thousands of years but we are still here and we still love you all and want you only to come to the bosom of Jesus before it is too late.

Christ is Love and Accepts All and Forgives All


coathanger.jpg
 
2012-12-14 10:49:27 AM
I say they should really show them who's boss and go to church with no clothing at all.

The world needs more exposed boobies.
 
2012-12-14 10:49:54 AM

Kinek: angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.

I don't know where you got your information, but Mormons do believe in the virgin birth. Just not the Immaculate conception. Which is a different thing entirely regarding Mary. And that's a strictly Catholic and possibly Eastern Orthodox belief.


If there was no immaculate conception, then how did the virgin get pregnant? Makes no sense, but then none of it does....
 
2012-12-14 10:51:38 AM

angryjd: I don't know where you got your information, but Mormons do believe in the virgin birth. Just not the Immaculate conception. Which is a different thing entirely regarding Mary. And that's a strictly Catholic and possibly Eastern Orthodox belief.

No they do not.

Brigham Young, second prophet and president of the LDS church said,

"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).

Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).

Joseph Fielding Smith, stated

"The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit," (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44, as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1884, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110, bookstore at 1358 South West Temple, 1982, p. 260).

Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).

Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated,

"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in ...


First thing I'm going to do is throw out those citations. Not official doctrine, not pertinent to this conversation. I could be a Catholic and say things and it's not representative of catholic doctrine.

Second.

And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man."

"In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it." (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211).

All these are talking about birth and formation of the body, not about conception. Virgin is still the operative word.

And Third: How is that contradictory to this?
From the Nicene Creed:
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
I'm not seeing a problem. In fact, I'm seeing that the Nicene creed is more in line with Mormon doctrine than it is with the moving of the Holy Ghost on Mary's womb.
 
2012-12-14 10:52:45 AM

dopekitty74: Kinek: angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.

I don't know where you got your information, but Mormons do believe in the virgin birth. Just not the Immaculate conception. Which is a different thing entirely regarding Mary. And that's a strictly Catholic and possibly Eastern Orthodox belief.

If there was no immaculate conception, then how did the virgin get pregnant? Makes no sense, but then none of it does....


The idea of Immaculate conception is that MARY was born without sin. Has Fark-all to do with Jesus. Farking hell. Do you know how to google?
 
2012-12-14 10:54:08 AM
I went to high school in a predominately Mormon town. As a group, the Mormon girls had the best-looking butts in the school. And tight jeans were OK with them.

/sometimes I miss my youth.
 
2012-12-14 10:54:26 AM

fickenchucker: I say they should really show them who's boss and go to church with no clothing at all.

The world needs more exposed boobies.


You joke, but I've been to a ward in Polynesia. Tits come out after the sacrament is over for breastfeeding.
 
2012-12-14 10:56:43 AM

AbbeySomeone: Is TFA an Onion spin or do people really live like this? Do they follow teachings that dictate their lives and clothing? WTF?
/scary


Splat says sigh, you have no idea Abbey. Living in Utah is nothing but endless WTF.
 
2012-12-14 10:58:24 AM

Persnickety: The more I learn about Mormonism, the weirder it is to me. Of course, all religion is silliness and nonsense but Mormons seem to have gotten an extra dollop of it.


This
 
2012-12-14 11:00:21 AM

Kinek: angryjd: I don't know where you got your information, but Mormons do believe in the virgin birth. Just not the Immaculate conception. Which is a different thing entirely regarding Mary. And that's a strictly Catholic and possibly Eastern Orthodox belief.

No they do not.

Brigham Young, second prophet and president of the LDS church said,

"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).

Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).

Joseph Fielding Smith, stated

"The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit," (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44, as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1884, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110, bookstore at 1358 South West Temple, 1982, p. 260).

Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).

Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated,

"Christ was begotten by an Immortal F ...


Additionally, a Misread of the Mconkie quote. He is talking about Conception.

I change my answer. Mconkie is full of shiat. He's full of unauthorized extradoctrinal matters. Every other quote concerns the birth though.
 
2012-12-14 11:01:09 AM

dopekitty74: Persnickety: The more I learn about Mormonism, the weirder it is to me. Of course, all religion is silliness and nonsense but Mormons seem to have gotten an extra dollop of it.

This


You didn't learn anything today.
 
2012-12-14 11:08:47 AM

Kinek: dopekitty74: Persnickety: The more I learn about Mormonism, the weirder it is to me. Of course, all religion is silliness and nonsense but Mormons seem to have gotten an extra dollop of it.

This

You didn't learn anything today.


That's cool... I don't want to learn more BS than I already have been subjected to.
 
2012-12-14 11:08:57 AM

DoYourBestBear: Valiente: Jesus apparently frowns on commas and sentence structure.

And bacon and foreskins.

You read my mind.


Let's see... your mind is filled with foreskins and your user name urges people to do a "bear". Know how I know you're gay? NTTAWWT, of course.
 
2012-12-14 11:09:09 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: Mock26: Really? You are going to use the Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron banana argument? If you are going to troll, then please do a better job of it. Try to come up with something better.


There's a video which explains it a lot better than I can you should check this out

Link

Oh yeah, and just for fun, if the banana proves god is real because it the perfect fit for the human hand then who the f*ck was the pineapple created for?

Hitler


God win?
 
2012-12-14 11:10:22 AM

Kinek: First thing I'm going to do is throw out those citations. Not official doctrine, not pertinent to this conversation.


I don't really have a horse in this race, but I would think statements made by the president and second prophet of your religion would be pertinent/official doctrine...
 
2012-12-14 11:15:17 AM

Honest Bender: Kinek: First thing I'm going to do is throw out those citations. Not official doctrine, not pertinent to this conversation.

I don't really have a horse in this race, but I would think statements made by the president and second prophet of your religion would be pertinent/official doctrine...


Here's the issue. (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44, as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1884, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110, bookstore at 1358 South West Temple, 1982, p. 260).

And their website.

Link

I'm not going to take Fox New's word on what President Obama said, unless I can also have CNN's word. And y'know. A full and complete transcript. That's why. When it comes to Mormon doctrine especially, it's hard to find unbiased sources. So I tossed it from comparison.
 
2012-12-14 11:15:34 AM

DoYourBestBear: Valiente: Jesus apparently frowns on commas and sentence structure.

And bacon and foreskins.

You read my mind.


Splat read it as "bacon foreskins" and was like o.O but clicked the damn funny button anyway.
 
2012-12-14 11:17:24 AM

ramblinwreck: david_gaithersburg: fusillade762: Why can't I post in this thread?

.
Only bigots are allowed to post here.

There's that word again (bigot) that Mormons love to use so much. Seriously, it's almost like you have one central authority that shoots out the talking points for you to use.


In Utah the line is "if you don't like it, leave." Seriously. It's probably in the comments on TFA.
 
2012-12-14 11:22:38 AM

Kinek: error 303: I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.

That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.


Gee Splat thought that big ass granite building with all the Masonic symbols on it in middle of Temple Square was the temple. Silly Splat.

/Are you intentionally misleading people?
//Or is this more apologist derp?
//People wear green aprons, bakers hats, white shoes, and magic underwear in that granite building
 
2012-12-14 11:25:21 AM

splat the whale: Kinek: error 303: I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.

That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.

Gee Splat thought that big ass granite building with all the Masonic symbols on it in middle of Temple Square was the temple. Silly Splat.

/Are you intentionally misleading people?
//Or is this more apologist derp?
//People wear green aprons, bakers hats, white shoes, and magic underwear in that granite building


I went to the visitors center for the Louvre once. It sorta sucked and all there was were postcards and t-shirts. I don't know why it wasn't beautiful and I can't imagine why people kept on telling me there was art there. All it was was commercial crap.
 
2012-12-14 11:31:23 AM
What Muslim women might wear when they wear pants. Or Yankee school children when the weather's too cold for dresses.

i1211.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-14 11:31:31 AM

Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: error 303: I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.

That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.

Gee Splat thought that big ass granite building with all the Masonic symbols on it in middle of Temple Square was the temple. Silly Splat.

/Are you intentionally misleading people?
//Or is this more apologist derp?
//People wear green aprons, bakers hats, white shoes, and magic underwear in that granite building

I went to the visitors center for the Louvre once. It sorta sucked and all there was were postcards and t-shirts. I don't know why it wasn't beautiful and I can't imagine why people kept on telling me there was art there. All it was was commercial crap.


Well sure. If you're talking about the visitor's center in Temple square Splat would agree with you. But that is their temple in the middle of the square, and people do go their to do ordinances. To say otherwise is a lie. But so many mormons lie for the lord it's hard to tell what they actually believe.
 
2012-12-14 11:36:49 AM

splat the whale: Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: error 303: I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.

That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.

Gee Splat thought that big ass granite building with all the Masonic symbols on it in middle of Temple Square was the temple. Silly Splat.

/Are you intentionally misleading people?
//Or is this more apologist derp?
//People wear green aprons, bakers hats, white shoes, and magic underwear in that granite building

I went to the visitors center for the Louvre once. It sorta sucked and all there was were postcards and t-shirts. I don't know why it wasn't beautiful and I can't imagine why people kept on telling me there was art there. All it was was commercial crap.

Well sure. If you're talking about the visitor's center in Temple square Splat would agree with you. But that is their temple in the middle of the square, and people do go their to do ordinances. To say otherwise is a lie. But so many mormons lie for the lord it's hard to tell what they actually believe.


I see you can't resist an ad hominem attack, you pedantic little fark.

If someone is in town and visits Temple Square as a visitor, the only places they are going is going to be to the public parts of Temple Square. He did not go into the temple, and as such the experience is not comparable to visiting the Sistene Chapel, or St. Peters, or any of the other places mentioned. The only places he would have gone would have been the part that is specifically designed to have visitors go into it. Which is the visitor center and parts of the grounds. Which -are not- equivalent experiences to the places mentioned. The equivalent place is one where he didn't go.
 
2012-12-14 11:52:45 AM

Kinek: I see you can't resist an ad hominem attack, you pedantic little fark.


Lol! Calls out someone for an ad hominem attack by using an ad hominem attack.... Hilarious.
 
2012-12-14 11:58:54 AM

Honest Bender: Kinek: I see you can't resist an ad hominem attack, you pedantic little fark.

Lol! Calls out someone for an ad hominem attack by using an ad hominem attack.... Hilarious.


I thought it was ironic.
 
2012-12-14 01:11:39 PM

Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: error 303: I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.

That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.

Gee Splat thought that big ass granite building with all the Masonic symbols on it in middle of Temple Square was the temple. Silly Splat.

/Are you intentionally misleading people?
//Or is this more apologist derp?
//People wear green aprons, bakers hats, white shoes, and magic underwear in that granite building

I went to the visitors center for the Louvre once. It sorta sucked and all there was were postcards and t-shirts. I don't know why it wasn't beautiful and I can't imagine why people kept on telling me there was art there. All it was was commercial crap.

Well sure. If you're talking about the visitor's center in Temple square Splat would agree with you. But that is their temple in the middle of the square, and people do go their to do ordinances. To say otherwise is a lie. But so many mormons lie for the lord it's hard to tell what they actually believe.

I see you can't resist an ad hominem attack, you pedantic little fark.

If someone is in town and visits Temple Square as a visitor, the only places they are going is ...


Splat didn't know you were mormon so sorry about that, but you must admit that mormons have talked about lying for the lord in the past. Or are you gonna lie about that too? LOL.
 
2012-12-14 01:13:55 PM

Kinek: Honest Bender: Kinek: I see you can't resist an ad hominem attack, you pedantic little fark.

Lol! Calls out someone for an ad hominem attack by using an ad hominem attack.... Hilarious.

I thought it was ironic.


It was and it did make Splat lol. Have a nice day Mr Kinek.
 
2012-12-14 01:26:12 PM

splat the whale: Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: error 303: I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.

That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.

Gee Splat thought that big ass granite building with all the Masonic symbols on it in middle of Temple Square was the temple. Silly Splat.

/Are you intentionally misleading people?
//Or is this more apologist derp?
//People wear green aprons, bakers hats, white shoes, and magic underwear in that granite building

I went to the visitors center for the Louvre once. It sorta sucked and all there was were postcards and t-shirts. I don't know why it wasn't beautiful and I can't imagine why people kept on telling me there was art there. All it was was commercial crap.

Well sure. If you're talking about the visitor's center in Temple square Splat would agree with you. But that is their temple in the middle of the square, and people do go their to do ordinances. To say otherwise is a lie. But so many mormons lie for the lord it's hard to tell what they actually believe.

I see you can't resist an ad hominem attack, you pedantic little fark.

If someone is in town and visits Temple Square as a visitor, the only places they are g ...


I'm not Mormon. But thanks for playing. I used to be. But I'm not. And I've come to the conclusion that you have the mental rigor of a braindead parakeet when it comes to debate.

Do you really think talking in the third person is cute?
 
2012-12-14 01:41:47 PM

log_jammin: A group of Mormon feminists

I don't think I can continue reading without giggling.


They are trying to actively change something bad about a religion they dislike, and you're laughing at them for, what, having the nerve to try and change a system instead of destroying the whole thing?

When you have car trouble, do you normally smash the entire thing, or do you fix the problem parts? I guess we should all laugh at you for taking the car to a mechanic instead of just smashing it like people should do.
 
2012-12-14 01:51:07 PM

Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: splat the whale: Kinek: error 303: I actually went to temple Square last week while I was in Salt Lake City for business and it was really weird. It was what I imagine that the Vatican would be like if it was a lot smaller, newer, and run by Disney. There were touch screens and tour markers all over, people handing out pamphlets and it all just felt sort of touristy and weird.

I'm not religious, but when I've walked into places like St. Patricks in New York or the Bascilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City you at least feel like you should be hushed and reverent and it at least feels like an impressive, religious, spiritual place. Temple Square at best was boring, and at times felt like being in a carnival or something.

That would be because Temple Square is a very fancy visitors center. Temple square is not the SLC temple. It is very specifically designed to be visitor friendly, rather than sacrosanct.

Gee Splat thought that big ass granite building with all the Masonic symbols on it in middle of Temple Square was the temple. Silly Splat.

/Are you intentionally misleading people?
//Or is this more apologist derp?
//People wear green aprons, bakers hats, white shoes, and magic underwear in that granite building

I went to the visitors center for the Louvre once. It sorta sucked and all there was were postcards and t-shirts. I don't know why it wasn't beautiful and I can't imagine why people kept on telling me there was art there. All it was was commercial crap.

Well sure. If you're talking about the visitor's center in Temple square Splat would agree with you. But that is their temple in the middle of the square, and people do go their to do ordinances. To say otherwise is a lie. But so many mormons lie for the lord it's hard to tell what they actually believe.

I see you can't resist an ad hominem attack, you pedantic little fark.

If someone is in town and visits Temple Square as a visitor, the only ...


Mostly Splat mis-read your OP. Splat thought you said that the temple in Temple Square was not an actual temple. But please continue to insult as it makes Splat lol. Sorry for mis-reading the OP, and sorry for that huge stick up your ass that makes you so uncomfortable. If you're not mormon, than nothing Splat has said is a direct attack on you. Wonder why you're getting so worked up about it.

/U mad
 
2012-12-14 02:31:55 PM

dopekitty74: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

Christians believe in magic underwear now?

Mormons = cult


It still does not change the fact that mormons worship christ. Therefore they are christians.
 
2012-12-14 02:34:32 PM

Bmorrison: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

not according to some Christians


So? Some christians will tell you that catholics are not christians. It means nothing what some believe about other christians.
 
2012-12-14 02:35:56 PM

angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.


No, it does not define what christianity it. It only defines what some sects of christianity believe.
 
2012-12-14 02:37:07 PM

dopekitty74: Kinek: dopekitty74: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

Christians believe in magic underwear now?

Mormons = cult

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As a matter of fact, yes, there happens to be a whole host of specialized symbols, both worn and used in Christianity. AS DOES EVERY OTHER SINGLE FARKING RELIGION.

Yeah, and every single religion is a mass of fairy tales meant to control the masses.

/non-believer
//if i were gonna worship ANY god it would likely be isis, i loves me the kittehs


Then you should worship Bast.
 
2012-12-14 03:35:55 PM

Mock26: angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.

No, it does not define what christianity it. It only defines what some sects of christianity believe.


No. All self identifying sects of Christianity adhere to the Nicene creed with the exception of Mormonism. At the very least, the group should be able to define what the group is. If the name of group has any actual meaning, that is.
 
2012-12-14 04:30:23 PM

angryjd: No. All self identifying sects of Christianity adhere to the Nicene creed with the exception of Mormonism. At the very least, the group should be able to define what the group is. If the name of group has any actual meaning, that is.


No, they don't. See if you can find the exceptions.

Anyway, we tend to be more concerned about whether Christ considers us Christian. But, hey, if you feel better telling us we're not Christian, knock yourself out. To each their own.
 
2012-12-14 04:57:40 PM
Whether Mormons are Christian or not really comes down to how we define Christianity. If we define Christianity as "the belief system common among most Christians" then you can argue that Mormons aren't Christian. But if you define Christianity in broad terms as a belief in Christ's divinity, sacrifice, and resurrection then they are Christian.

I've met some people who argue that the qualities Mormons assign to Christ are so different from the qualities traditional Christians assign to Christ that Mormons worship a different Christ. This seems to be just a more specific version of the argument that Christianity is the belief system common among most Christians.

Basically, Christianity is very complex with all sorts of flavors. How you define Christianity will determine whether or not Mormons can be included. In broadest terms I think they qualify. If your definition is limited I think they won't qualify.

And, as far as the trinity is concerned, I think Mormons, at least the ones I've talked with that have done their homework, consider themselves social trinitarians. For them the unity of The Father, Christ, and the H.G. in complete sync of will and acting together by love or some such is God (they sometimes say "the Godhead"). This is how they justify calling themselves monotheistic...they say that they believe in one God (shorthand for one Godhead) and that this Godhead is one force directed by three perfectly in sync beings--beings that are one metaphorically and functionally, but not literally.
 
2012-12-14 07:58:23 PM
As an atheist my entire life, I've no respect for stupid religious rules. I think religion is dumb. I think people who believe in the religions we have are sorely lacking in critical thinking skills, are victims of childhood brainwashing, or are involved in an extremely sick and complex game of self delusion.

But I wouldn't mock these women. It is pretty hardcore of them to make a stand in an overbearing, highly-controlled, patriarchal church like the Mormon church, in the city that it literally owns.

Okay, they probably won't get severely beaten like they might have done not even that long ago, and no one is going to thrown acid on them or shoot them, but still. The thought of being cold-shouldered by everyone you know is enough to frighten most people into not standing up for what they believe in.

Now, how about all you Catholic apologists stand up to your church about birth control? *crickets*
 
2012-12-15 12:37:07 AM

angryjd: Mock26: angryjd: Mock26: furterfan: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet.

this is Mormons, not christians.



Mormons are christians.

The nicene creed defines what Christianity is, and it acknowledges the virgin birth as a prerequisite. To the best of my knowledge, all of the other churches that self identify as Christian do as well. Mormons do not.

Yes, there are actual rules for these things. You don't become a Christian by just saying you are a Christian.

No, it does not define what christianity it. It only defines what some sects of christianity believe.

No. All self identifying sects of Christianity adhere to the Nicene creed with the exception of Mormonism. At the very least, the group should be able to define what the group is. If the name of group has any actual meaning, that is.


You can repeat your claim all you want, but it does not change the fact that mormonism is a sect of christianity.
 
2012-12-15 12:39:34 AM

Waldo Pepper: Mock26: Waldo Pepper: Mock26: Brian Ryanberger: I see its time to make fun of Christians again on the internet. I'm so glad I didn't take the opportunity to miss it because it is not like it never happens. Someday when you need God and you call out to him maybe he remembers this thread and does not help you but probably he will forgive you and help you anyways because he is a God of Love and Forgiveness which is a brutal lesson all heathens and other people who tease his Word had better learn and learn quick or else it only gets worse from here on out.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I love it when christians use the "call out to god" argument! I have been in several near death situations (primary chute malfunction while skydiving, seeing a car run a red light and hit me while I was rollerblading through an intersection, having a loaded gun pointed at me, nearly stepping on a rattlesnake while rappelling), and guess what? Not once have I ever cried out to your supposed god. I do not believe in this supposed god of your superstition, so why do you assume that I would ever call out to it?

As for "his word," got any actual proof that this god of yours is real? And I mean real proof, as in something that can be verified, and not all that silly "the bible says so" or "only a god could create the world" nonsense.

I would say that all those times you avoided death is proof of God's blessing on your life and somewhere down the road He has major plans for using you which is why your life has been spared so many times. Of course it is still up to you to listen and come to Christ.

that being said, if you choose not to listen, well I'm sure you understand the position of Pro Choice and the Meaning of Consequence of your choices. Such is both the beauty and horror of free will.

Prove that is was the supposed god of the christian myth who saved my life. And, at the same time, prove that it was not some other God, Goddess, or group of Deities. Simply claiming that it was ...


If you are going to use alt accounts, Brian Ryanberger, then you really should try to keep your responses dissimilar.
 
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