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2012-12-13 01:42:54 PM  
Can we stop pretending these cameras are for "safety" now?
 
2012-12-13 01:43:30 PM  
Sounds like the photos needed some circles and arrows.
 
2012-12-13 01:43:52 PM  
$afety fir$t.
 
2012-12-13 01:46:47 PM  
fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit. The man explained to me that the camera actually clocks every single car that goes through the intersection, a police officer reviews them, and then chooses who to give tickets to.

trivial use of my dark powers: Can we stop pretending these cameras are for "safety" now?


So, yeah. THIS.
 
2012-12-13 01:56:56 PM  
Well, you know, it'$ ju$t ea$ier when you hard-code a value in the "$peed" field.
 
2012-12-13 01:58:36 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: $afety fir$t.


Back home in Vegas, police were told a few years ago to "find a reason" to ticket anyone they stop, since it's revenue for the city. It seems that while some policemen are honest, a whole lot of people use law enforcement as a way to legally bully people.

Who knew?
 
2012-12-13 02:06:50 PM  
Trying to read article about speed camera, autoplay video gets you.
 
2012-12-13 02:11:48 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.


While I think speed cameras leave a lot to be desired, you really don't get to complain that you got a ticket when you're doing 15 to 20 miles over the posted limit.
 
2012-12-13 02:21:04 PM  

beantowndog: Sounds like the photos needed some circles and arrows.


And a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.
 
2012-12-13 02:38:06 PM  
Ok, certainly seems like a BS ticket... and maybe off-topic a bit here... but in part of the video (unless I'm seeing it wrong) it seems like the car has a green light?  Anyone else see that?
 
2012-12-13 02:38:27 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.



Explain?
 
2012-12-13 02:55:36 PM  
In the photo, the car clearly is parked beyond the white stop line - which is technically a failure to stop.

theinfosphere.org
 
2012-12-13 03:10:27 PM  
Like I needed any more reasons to stay away from baltimore.
 
2012-12-13 03:27:07 PM  
I'm kinda surprised more of those cameras aren't shot full of holes.
 
2012-12-13 03:35:07 PM  
Why would anyone pay these? They are more like optional tickets if anything.
 
2012-12-13 03:35:42 PM  

violentsalvation: I'm kinda surprised more of those cameras aren't shot full of holes.


Gun laws are working?
 
2012-12-13 03:55:46 PM  

downstairs: Ok, certainly seems like a BS ticket... and maybe off-topic a bit here... but in part of the video (unless I'm seeing it wrong) it seems like the car has a green light?  Anyone else see that?


I believe that's for the right turn
 
2012-12-13 04:03:15 PM  

Donnchadha: downstairs: Ok, certainly seems like a BS ticket... and maybe off-topic a bit here... but in part of the video (unless I'm seeing it wrong) it seems like the car has a green light?  Anyone else see that?

I believe that's for the right turn



Gotcha.  We don't have those around here.
 
/No need
//75% of drivers down here ignore traffic signals it seems
 
2012-12-13 04:31:44 PM  
People in the UK have the best approach to traffic cameras:

aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-13 04:50:00 PM  
www.newlaunches.com

Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.

Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it
 
2012-12-13 05:21:55 PM  
IronJelly:
Back home in Vegas, police were told a few years ago to "find a reason" to ticket anyone they stop, since it's revenue for the city. It seems that while some policemen are honest, a whole lot of people use law enforcement as a way to legally bully people.

Who knew?


Not if they follow that order.
 
2012-12-13 05:29:37 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit. The man explained to me that the camera actually clocks every single car that goes through the intersection, a police officer reviews them, and then chooses who to give tickets to.

trivial use of my dark powers: Can we stop pretending these cameras are for "safety" now?

So, yeah. THIS.


Why would they send you 364 tickets belonging to other drivers?

Does this somehow have to do with there being 365 days in a year.
 
2012-12-13 05:30:49 PM  

Godscrack: [www.newlaunches.com image 450x474]

Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.

Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it


They have sun visors on motorcycles now?
 
2012-12-13 05:31:43 PM  
Damned if you do, damned if you don't -- you can't even quit the game.
 
2012-12-13 05:32:45 PM  
Cue the Speed Camera Vigilantes - and my wishful thinking.

Sees: Motorists Against Speed Camera Extortion

/too late
 
2012-12-13 05:35:09 PM  
I thought they developed a plastic you put over your plate that wouldn't allow a camera to read it.
 
2012-12-13 05:35:39 PM  

Godscrack: Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.

Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it


I take it when you're in your motorcycle and tailgating the car in front of you, you have a sign up front that says "I'm a duech bag"
 
2012-12-13 05:36:32 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: Can we stop pretending these cameras are for "safety" now?


Shut up and pay your fine taxes. It's the patriotic thing to do. If you don't like government, roads and schools you can always move to Somalia.
 
2012-12-13 05:38:38 PM  

Godscrack:
Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.
Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it

For the nerds:
i.imgur.com
Nice drop table command - which would be awesome if it really worked. lol 

/you get the idea
 
2012-12-13 05:39:37 PM  

Godscrack: [www.newlaunches.com image 450x474]

Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.

Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it


First pic looks like Pennsylvania YJL-7892 - a truck plate.

We don't have speed cameras here in Pennsylvania - only a few red light cameras in Philadelphia.

While I abhor the idea of automated enforcement in lieu of appropriate driver education and reasonable limits, having a plate flipper is likely only going to invite additional scrutiny and fines if the police manage to figure out what the plate says. (I know, cover the back of the plate too...)
 
2012-12-13 05:39:40 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.


Huh?
 
2012-12-13 05:41:29 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: Why would anyone pay these? They are more like optional tickets if anything.



Because you can't renew your license until you pay.
 
2012-12-13 05:41:53 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: thismomentinblackhistory: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

I feel your pain.

There is a camera in an underpass in DC that I used to drive by a lot (until 4 warnings and 2 tickets later I realized I just wasn't ever going to remember it was there and changed my drive to work). The posted speed limit is about 10 miles an hour lower than it even makes sense to go. There is a light at the top of the ramp...you can coast naturally up the ramp and slow to a stop or you can go 25 until you bottom out in the underpass and crawl to a near stop due to momentum, then have to awkwardly accelerate up the ramp then jam on the breaks at the light at the top. It SUCKS. I've never, in seven years of driving this route to work, seen an accident there. But no...it needs an unnaturally slow speed limit and a camera...and tickets that are $100-$150 a pop, apparently. Grr...

/Some city council members are actually raising the speed limits by some of our cameras because they're so ridiculous...so it isn't just me.

 
2012-12-13 05:42:13 PM  

violentsalvation: I'm kinda surprised more of those cameras aren't shot full of holes.


^This^

I am quite surprised at the lack of destruction, especially considering how often road signs are shot up.
 
2012-12-13 05:42:58 PM  

Elzar: In the photo, the car clearly is parked beyond the white stop line - which is technically a failure to stop.

[theinfosphere.org image 225x169]


?? He got a speeding ticket, not a red light ticket. In the photo I saw, he's several inches behind the line.

On another note, the genius behind speeding camera tickets is that even when they get it wrong, they still get paid. I'm sure this guy will be charged court fees when he fights the ticket.
 
2012-12-13 05:43:46 PM  
The only thing stopping the US government from spying on you is your boring life.
 
2012-12-13 05:44:33 PM  

Digital Communist: The only thing stopping the US government from spying on you is your boring life.


Dammit.. wrong thread.
 
2012-12-13 05:44:42 PM  

hasty ambush: trivial use of my dark powers: Can we stop pretending these cameras are for "safety" now?

Shut up and pay your fine taxes. It's the patriotic thing to do. If you don't like government, roads and schools you can always move to Somalia.


If taxes were at a responsible level, cities wouldn't have to rely on tickets for revenue. But hey, TAXES BAD
 
2012-12-13 05:45:34 PM  
I just watched a minivan run two lights in a row and those lights happen to be the only two photo-enforced lights in my zip code. So I'm getting a kick out of this.

Also:

thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit. The man explained to me that the camera actually clocks every single car that goes through the intersection, a police officer reviews them, and then chooses who to give tickets to.


You don't ever HAVE to do 15/20 over a posted limit. Ever. Period.
 
2012-12-13 05:45:35 PM  

LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?


I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.
 
2012-12-13 05:46:08 PM  
The resolution in your cameras will never catch me:
s10.postimage.org
 
2012-12-13 05:46:29 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: Why would anyone pay these? They are more like optional tickets if anything.


I throw them away.
 
2012-12-13 05:49:18 PM  

Farklee: Sleeping Monkey: Why would anyone pay these? They are more like optional tickets if anything.


Because you can't renew your license until you pay.


You can where I live.
 
2012-12-13 05:49:48 PM  

Farklee: The resolution in your cameras will never catch me:
[s10.postimage.org image 599x802]


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-12-13 05:50:50 PM  

Treygreen13: LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?

I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.


That's all it takes for some people to justify excessive speeding.

Look, its not like fark requires a test to get an account. This place is kind of like a public high school.
 
2012-12-13 05:51:33 PM  

Fast Moon: Farklee: The resolution in your cameras will never catch me:
[s10.postimage.org image 599x802]

[imgs.xkcd.com image 484x297]


Reminds me of his crypto-nerd comic.
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-12-13 05:52:08 PM  

Treygreen13: LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?

I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.


Houston?
 
2012-12-13 05:53:49 PM  
Good morning Baltimore
Every day's like an open door
Every night is a fantasy
Every sound's like a symphony

Good morning Baltimore
And some day when I take to the floor
The world's gonna wake up and see
Baltimore and me
 
2012-12-13 05:56:00 PM  

occamswrist: That's all it takes for some people to justify excessive speeding.


I'm just offering an explanation of what he said. I don't speed to get through Commerce since I'm in a downtown area and there's a good chance going 20 over would inevitably end with some moron wandering across the street at a "Don't Walk" sign without looking and I'd splatter him all the way to Main. Because people do that here. Just wander into the street. All the damn time. Ugh.

That being said, some places speeding isn't a bad thing and the police are benefiting from artificially low speed limits. There is a stretch of road near me that is 6-lanes wide straight as an arrow through a vast field of nothing. Just farms on either side. Speed limit is 30. It's ludicrous. They put cops all over it and rack up huge speeding tickets for going more than 5 over.
 
2012-12-13 05:56:37 PM  

sethen320: Houston?


Fort Worth
 
2012-12-13 05:57:20 PM  
Worst timed lights I've ever seen was throughout Albuquerque, NM. First in line and accelerating when the light turns green and by the time you are 100 ft from the next intersection the light is turning red.

I think they timed the lights to be perfectly off.
 
2012-12-13 05:57:58 PM  
When our idiot mayor put the camera's up, I wanted to find out what his license plate number was, make a dummy plate and go out and run a shiatload of red lights.
 
2012-12-13 05:58:14 PM  

Treygreen13: occamswrist: That's all it takes for some people to justify excessive speeding.

I'm just offering an explanation of what he said. I don't speed to get through Commerce since I'm in a downtown area and there's a good chance going 20 over would inevitably end with some moron wandering across the street at a "Don't Walk" sign without looking and I'd splatter him all the way to Main. Because people do that here. Just wander into the street. All the damn time. Ugh.

That being said, some places speeding isn't a bad thing and the police are benefiting from artificially low speed limits. There is a stretch of road near me that is 6-lanes wide straight as an arrow through a vast field of nothing. Just farms on either side. Speed limit is 30. It's ludicrous. They put cops all over it and rack up huge speeding tickets for going more than 5 over.


I apologize I didn't mean you but the way I wrote it made it sound that way. Sorry.
 
2012-12-13 05:58:37 PM  
auto play videos with audio on by default ??!?!?!?! what the fark ?!?! some of us are in offices here y'know
 
2012-12-13 05:59:14 PM  

occamswrist: I apologize I didn't mean you but the way I wrote it made it sound that way. Sorry.


It's all good. I understand where he's coming from, though. Although 20 over might be pushing it. Depends on the area really.
 
2012-12-13 06:01:57 PM  
Didn't some guy have a kickstarter for a flash reacting burst of led lights on the plate effectively blinding the camera?
 
2012-12-13 06:02:29 PM  

occamswrist: Worst timed lights I've ever seen was throughout Albuquerque, NM. First in line and accelerating when the light turns green and by the time you are 100 ft from the next intersection the light is turning red.

I think they timed the lights to be perfectly off.


Oh man, I hate those. My alternate route to work is timed so that if you hit it right, you can basically go all 15 miles or so without stopping once. But if you hit it just wrong, you will stop at every light. It takes twice as long. I know that doesn't sound like it would be possible, but it is. One of the lights is in a particularly bad area and I swear it's green for 3 seconds. Sometimes people don't look up at the light right as it's turning green and the whole lane misses their light.
 
2012-12-13 06:03:57 PM  

LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?


The lights are timed horribly so you have to speed in order to hit the lights correctly, thus everyone speeds. If in fact the system worked properly, basically everyone would be ticketed including the poster every day of the week they travel that stretch.
 
2012-12-13 06:04:09 PM  

occamswrist: Treygreen13: LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?

I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.

That's all it takes for some people to justify excessive speeding.

Look, its not like fark requires a test to get an account. This place is kind of like a public high school.


That's all it takes to spot a troll to. Or do you really spend your life just doing what you're told because you're too afraid to make any decisions for yourself?
 
2012-12-13 06:04:59 PM  

LordJiro: If taxes were at a responsible level, cities wouldn't have to rely on tickets for revenue. But hey, TAXES BAD


Right. There is a level of revenue above which cities would definitely not look for more.
 
2012-12-13 06:06:04 PM  

Treygreen13: LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?

I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.


So your ass sits at the light for the 1-3 minutes it takes to cycle through. Reading the post: He chose to speed, he got caught speeding, somehow is it the camera's fault. Suck it up. I was caught by a camera on a road where a year later they bumped up the speed limit from 45 to 55. Do I biatch and moan that I wouldn't have gotten that ticket if they did the change earlier? Did I call and complain that everyone else on the road was also doing 50? He should just thank his stars the camera wasn't there every day of the week and slow down.
 
2012-12-13 06:08:22 PM  

LordJiro: hasty ambush: trivial use of my dark powers: Can we stop pretending these cameras are for "safety" now?

Shut up and pay your fine taxes. It's the patriotic thing to do. If you don't like government, roads and schools you can always move to Somalia.

If taxes were at a responsible level, cities wouldn't have to rely on tickets for revenue. But hey, TAXES BAD


if every level of government weren't fraught with corruption, theinsanely high taxes they already collect could be reduced. also, city hall and the courthouse and the school board dont need farking marble floors and walls.
 
2012-12-13 06:09:14 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit. The man explained to me that the camera actually clocks every single car that goes through the intersection, a police officer reviews them, and then chooses who to give tickets to.


A cop gave you a pass 364 times but you're complaining about the one time you were nailed. Ungrateful scofflaw!
 
2012-12-13 06:10:16 PM  
Treygreen13: There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.

There is a string of lights on my commute that are about as far from sequenced as it gets. You're pretty much guaranteed to have to stop at EVERY SINGLE ONE. The icing on the cake is that if you're driving the speed limit in light/no traffic (early morning/late night), you'll generally just come to a rollback stop in time for the light to turn green.

Fills me with rage just thinking about it.
 
2012-12-13 06:11:08 PM  

LaraAmber: Treygreen13: LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?

I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.

So your ass sits at the light for the 1-3 minutes it takes to cycle through. Reading the post: He chose to speed, he got caught speeding, somehow is it the camera's fault. Suck it up. I was caught by a camera on a road where a year later they bumped up the speed limit from 45 to 55. Do I biatch and moan that I wouldn't have gotten that ticket if they did the change earlier? Did I call and complain that everyone else on the road was also doing 50? He should just thank his stars the camera wasn't there every day of the week and slow down.


Yeah, I was caught speeding a few months ago but its been years since before that that I was caught. I didn't argue, took it like a man.

In the back of my head I was thinking that I've been getting away with going about 10 mph over the limit so often I'm still way ahead overall.
 
2012-12-13 06:11:27 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: auto play videos with audio on by default ??!?!?!?! what the fark ?!?! some of us are in offices here y'know


FlashBlock is warm and fuzzy. NoScript is polite.
 
2012-12-13 06:11:27 PM  

Treygreen13: Because people do that here. Just wander into the street. All the damn time. Ugh.


Argh...that too. My commute takes me up 18th St. in DC which has lights that line up at certain times of day, giving you a nice, open northbound one-way route. People jump out from behind parked cars and walk against the light ALL THE TIME. I don't speed there because I know that...but damn I am sure I'm going to see someone get splattered someday.
 
2012-12-13 06:12:57 PM  
So, the guy's going to have to take a day off and fight it in court.

The judge should look at the video and immediately order compensation from the speed camera company to the defendant for lost wages and mileage to and from the courtroom, and any legal fees incurred.

/he won't, he'll just say, "OK, not guilty...next!"
 
2012-12-13 06:14:05 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: auto play videos with audio on by default ??!?!?!?! what the fark ?!?! some of us are in offices here y'know


Well then, why are your speakers turned on?
 
2012-12-13 06:15:22 PM  
Sure, his brakes lights were on, but he was still moving at nearly 1000 miles per hour!
 
2012-12-13 06:19:02 PM  

vodka: FlashBlock


yeah, i know, but i am debugging UI discrepencies in IE and was too lazy to open FF or O. But Still !! who even writes these auto sites ? i cant wait to sit at a bar and order a beer and ask the person next to me, hey what do you do ? oh, you are in marketing and designed an auto play / pop up / ani gif site and fireced someone to code it ? then i would break my beer across their nose.
 
2012-12-13 06:19:12 PM  
In Las Vegas, the local police work with the highway patrol to issue tickets on the freeway. Not because of crashes or speed related problems on the freeways, but rather because of the number of accidents at exits and within 1 mile of the freeway.
Link

See, they ran the numbers and found that a lot of crashes happen near the freeways and allegedly a lot of those are speed related. Who would have thought that areas near freeways might have more crashes then areas far away from them? It's not like freeways are built near high traffic areas OR encourage building in areas, leading to more traffic.

The theory is that people who are speeding on the freeway are used to the speed and may underestimate their speeds right after the freeway so the extra enforcement on the freeway will make them think about their speed. I guess when you do 75 in a 65, you have a serious underestimation of your speed that causes a lot of problems in the 35mph zone off the freeway, BUT you don't have that problem when doing just 65 and then exiting to a 35 area.

The police heavily patrol the sections of the highway far away from dense areas and mainly the Southbound secton of I-15 in the morning to snag all those people going to California or Primm. Little to no police presence between I15/Tropicana and the high crash area near I15/Sahara.

It make SO MUCH more sense and is definitely not about money to have the police do speed traps on less dense, less travelled sections of the freeway than having police patrol the more dangerous sections of the freeway OR having police patrol near offramps or near freeways for all those people supposedly underestimating their speed.  Yep, nothing but safety in mind here.
 
2012-12-13 06:20:36 PM  
$40.00 ticket is a dream. In CA my redlight ticket was $480.00 for my first ticket. That SUCKED.
 
2012-12-13 06:21:11 PM  

LordJiro: If taxes were at a responsible level, cities wouldn't have to rely on tickets for revenue. But hey, TAXES B


Another way to put this is that the government is choosing to impose taxes on us over our repeated objections. Sounds like some serious house cleaning is in order.

Fast food employees don't get to take money from the register or hand out free food to their families just because the boss denied their raise.
 
2012-12-13 06:21:42 PM  

Fast Moon: Farklee: The resolution in your cameras will never catch me:
[s10.postimage.org image 599x802]

[imgs.xkcd.com image 484x297]


That's why I would go with XQZQZYZ or something equally nonsensical. Well, if I cared.
 
2012-12-13 06:26:12 PM  
Fail? I'd $ay they've ju$t turbocharged what the damn thing$ are for in the fir$t place.
 
2012-12-13 06:28:41 PM  

LordJiro: hasty ambush: trivial use of my dark powers: Can we stop pretending these cameras are for "safety" now?

Shut up and pay your fine taxes. It's the patriotic thing to do. If you don't like government, roads and schools you can always move to Somalia.

If taxes were at a responsible level, cities wouldn't have to rely on tickets for revenue. But hey, TAXES BAD


Way to ignore about a million other variables. But hey, LEGAL SLAVERY GOOD
 
2012-12-13 06:35:10 PM  
In Maryland, speed camera tickets are for the peons. Our distinguished legislature specifically exempted themselves from them.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/27/2744.asp
 
2012-12-13 06:39:02 PM  

oh_please: So, the guy's going to have to take a day off and fight it in court.

The judge should look at the video and immediately order compensation from the speed camera company to the defendant for lost wages and mileage to and from the courtroom, and any legal fees incurred.

/he won't, he'll just say, "OK, not guilty...next!"


Lol.

More likely he'll ask how he wants to plea, guys says not guilty, and he says come back next month on the 5th. The new thing is to require 2 court appearances, both with court costs even if you win that exceed the ticket cost. You literally lose more if you win.
 
2012-12-13 06:39:16 PM  

special20: Godscrack:
Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.
Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it
For the nerds:

Nice drop table command - which would be awesome if it really worked. lol 

/you get the idea


Clearly owned by little Bobby Tables?

/Can't post a third XKCD to the thread, I'm at work.
 
2012-12-13 06:47:16 PM  

LaraAmber: Treygreen13: LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?

I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.

So your ass sits at the light for the 1-3 minutes it takes to cycle through. Reading the post: He chose to speed, he got caught speeding, somehow is it the camera's fault. Suck it up. I was caught by a camera on a road where a year later they bumped up the speed limit from 45 to 55. Do I biatch and moan that I wouldn't have gotten that ticket if they did the change earlier? Did I call and complain that everyone else on the road was also doing 50? He should just thank his stars the camera wasn't there every day of the week and slow down.


You sound like a terrible person. When you have to sit through 10 lights all of which are timed poorly, your commute just got 10-30 minutes tacked on just for waiting at the lights. That is if in fact you make the light with one light change. I live 6 miles from work and it takes me 40 minutes to an hour because the lights are timed horrible which causes massive bottle necks. Meanwhile, the side streets have like a couple cars turn off of them. I don't know where you live, but hardly anyone seems to drive the posted speed limit. There are blatant speed traps, got to love having bridges that drop to 30 mph after having a 40 mph speed limit at the start. You don't even realize the speed limit drops until you get tagged by the cop that sits at the base of it every day. Even with that, use common sense, don't speed in a farking school zone or in a heavily populated area with lots of cross traffic and pedestrians and don't weave in and out.
 
2012-12-13 06:47:20 PM  

cig-mkr: I thought they developed a plastic you put over your plate that wouldn't allow a camera to read it.


They did not.

They developed a plastic that gullible people like you will pay exorbitant amounts for thinking it will, though...
=Smidge=
 
2012-12-13 06:47:55 PM  
The '8B88B8BB' or '1II11I11I' or '0OOOO0O' style plate won't (shouldn't) work, because in most areas they will not issue multiple plates that can be confused for each other.

That is, if there is already a plate that says 'IOBS', then '1OBS', 'I0BS', 'IO8S', 'IOB5', etc. will not be issued. 

As for the plate obscuring covers, how could you possibly imagine those would be legal, and won't get you pulled over and given a ticket at some point? I've been pulled over (but not given a ticket, just a warning+papers check) for a burned out plate lamp.
 
2012-12-13 07:03:06 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: auto play videos with audio on by default ??!?!?!?! what the fark ?!?! some of us are in offices here y'know


That's why I keep my computer's volume turned off. I only turn on the speakers when I intend to listen to something.
 
2012-12-13 07:16:32 PM  

occamswrist: Worst timed lights I've ever seen was throughout Albuquerque, NM. First in line and accelerating when the light turns green and by the time you are 100 ft from the next intersection the light is turning red.

I think they timed the lights to be perfectly off.


If you're traveling east or west in the Heights, you can generally leave the first light a bit slower than normal and get in the middle of the cycle. Then you'll hit them all green downstream, as long as you're moving at 35 mph. (Even on the streets like Comanche or Menaul with 30 or 40 mph speed limits.) Of course, there are times that traveling at 35 mph on Menaul is gonna piss off a lot of other drivers, but that's how they're timed.
 
2012-12-13 07:19:04 PM  

lake_huron: special20: Godscrack:
Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.
Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it
For the nerds:

Nice drop table command - which would be awesome if it really worked. lol 

/you get the idea

Clearly owned by little Bobby Tables?

/Can't post a third XKCD to the thread, I'm at work.


I can do that.
/WFH
//LOL
 
2012-12-13 07:21:31 PM  

phaseolus: beantowndog: Sounds like the photos needed some circles and arrows.

And a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.


Arlo says hi
 
2012-12-13 07:24:13 PM  

the money is in the banana stand:
You sound like a terrible person. When you have to sit through 10 lights all of which are timed poorly, your commute just got 10-30 minutes tacked on just for waiting at the lights. That is if in fact you make the light with one light change. I live 6 miles from work and it takes me 40 minutes to an hour because the lights are timed horrible which causes massive bottle necks. Meanwhile, the side streets have like a couple cars turn off of them. I don't know where you live, but hardly anyone seems to drive the posted speed limit. There are blatant speed traps, got to love having bridges that drop to 30 mph after having a 40 mph speed limit at the start. You don't even realize the speed limit drops until you get tagged by the cop that sits at the base of it every day. Even with that, use common sense, don't speed in a farking school zone or in a heavily populated area with lots of cross traffic and pedestrians and don't weave in and out.


I have an hour commute each way if traffic doesn't hit any snarls and most of my route is in the middle of construction, so the chances of no snarls...I have a hell of a lot more then 10 lights, lanes randomly shut down, and double fines for most of my drive because of work zones. You break the law, you deal with the consequences. Don't biatch about how it's not your fault.
 
2012-12-13 07:28:48 PM  

A Shambling Mound: You don't ever HAVE to do 15/20 over a posted limit. Ever. Period.


Except on a lot of roads the posted speed limit is purposely set low to give cops a justification to pull you over for any reason they want to.

/Justice Kennedy actually made a comment on this during an interview
//where I live the posted limit is 65. no one goes below 85.
 
2012-12-13 07:41:47 PM  

gingerjet: A Shambling Mound: You don't ever HAVE to do 15/20 over a posted limit. Ever. Period.

Except on a lot of roads the posted speed limit is purposely set low to give cops a justification to pull you over for any reason they want to.

/Justice Kennedy actually made a comment on this during an interview
//where I live the posted limit is 65. no one goes below 85.


I live in Texas and frequently travel north / south across the state. You do not have to explain speed traps to me.You may have to explain how the simple existence of a speed trap makes it necessary to exceed the speed limit because that makes no sense whatsoever to me.

If the posted speed limit is 65 and everyone goes 85 then no one should be surprised when they get a ticket. They are welcome to be dismayed that they are the one that got plucked but it doesn't change the fact that they were actually speeding.

I hate artificially low speed limits as much as anyone else but I haven't gotten a speeding ticket since I was 16 and somehow I still manage to get everywhere I need to get on time and without stressing myself out.
 
2012-12-13 07:46:26 PM  
there's a camera near me that goes off at the strangest times. Usually when cars are making legal left or right turns.
 
2012-12-13 07:46:38 PM  

Biner: occamswrist: Worst timed lights I've ever seen was throughout Albuquerque, NM. First in line and accelerating when the light turns green and by the time you are 100 ft from the next intersection the light is turning red.

I think they timed the lights to be perfectly off.

If you're traveling east or west in the Heights, you can generally leave the first light a bit slower than normal and get in the middle of the cycle. Then you'll hit them all green downstream, as long as you're moving at 35 mph. (Even on the streets like Comanche or Menaul with 30 or 40 mph speed limits.) Of course, there are times that traveling at 35 mph on Menaul is gonna piss off a lot of other drivers, but that's how they're timed.


There's a stretch of road where the speed limit is 40, you have to drive at 30 to make it through two lights without touching your breaks and then immediately accelerate to ~42-44 to make it through the next 2 before they turn yellow. Somehow every other car on the road gets the speeds backwards and regularly fark up my system.
 
2012-12-13 07:51:28 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit. The man explained to me that the camera actually clocks every single car that goes through the intersection, a police officer reviews them, and then chooses who to give tickets to.


The reason the lights are timed that way or the reason the speed camera is there, depending on which was done first, is to generate revenue. Given that people largely caught on to altering things after the fact the speed camera location was probably chosen due to the bad signal timing.

Photo enforcement cannot make money when traffic control devices (signs, signals, markings, speed limits, etc) are engineered and set up properly. That's not that there aren't violators to ticket, just not enough of them to pay for the expensive equipment, its care, and the people to run the whole thing. Because of this they are set up where there are per-existing or especially created problems with the underlying traffic engineering. Short yellows, mistimed lights, under posted speed limits, and so on.

15-20 over you might as well just suck it up in most places if you aren't going to accept a ticket every year or two, even if it was human cops doing the ticketing. Me I just want to get up to five -under- the speed limit with decent acceleration to make the greens on my commute. Instead I stuck behind these slow drivers I could beat on my bicycle.
 
2012-12-13 07:55:28 PM  
LOST TAG
 
2012-12-13 08:01:58 PM  
Man, I love Los Angeles for just this reason: I can do 90 in front of a cop and still not get pulled over. Red car too.
 
2012-12-13 08:17:16 PM  

Elzar: In the photo, the car clearly is parked beyond the white stop line - which is technically a failure to stop.

[theinfosphere.org image 225x169]


So, let me get this right, I have three choices: 1) go thru a short caution and get a ticket 2) stop with my car over the line and get a ticket 3) approach the intersection at 5mph to avoid either of the above and get a farking ticket for impeding traffic

Sounds right..
 
2012-12-13 08:28:02 PM  
FTFA: WASHINGTON - When Daniel Doty got a $40 speeding ticket for driving 38 miles per hour in a 25-mph zone, he was outraged because he wasn't speeding.

In fact, his Mazda 5 was stopped.

Two photos issued with the citation as evidence show Doty's car was stopped at a red light with its brake lights on, reports The Baltimore Sun. The car is shown motionless as traffic passes by on a cross street.



Hmm... Maybe he was overly motionless?  Exceeding the stop limit?
 
2012-12-13 08:37:54 PM  

sandi_fish: $40.00 ticket is a dream. In CA my redlight ticket was $480.00 for my first ticket. That SUCKED.


That's because CA's legislature kowtowed to the greedy SCAMera companies like Nestor and Redflex.The fines are artificially inflated to give the companies their cut of the booty. I'm sure, like with CA's moving violation tickets (which are, strangely, for the most part much cheaper than SCAMera tickets - $150-250 range), there are handouts in there for courthouse improvements and god knows what else.

Give 'em time - SCAMeras are slowly disappearing from a lot of places - not because of safety (duh) but because there aren't enough violators to make them profitable.
 
2012-12-13 08:41:19 PM  

netringer: Sure, his brakes lights were on, but he was still moving at nearly 1000 miles per hour!


Relatively speaking, that is a close approximation, you forgot to account for altitude and other factor such as rotation within the milkyway, How many sonic booms did you count?

I remember their used to be a government publication on how to beat radar guns in a court of law. A hot water heater standing still registered 48 MPH, and the shape of the grill on a BMW multiplied the readings etc.

Really, where I grew up there was a big hill you had to come down as you came into town. Most everybody had mounted a little brake light toggle switch under the dash so that they could flash their brake lights and it would look like they were trying to slow down as they actually sped up. This was an enormous savings on brake repairs, not to mention speeding tickets. "I was trying to slow down, didn't you see my brake lights were on?"
 
2012-12-13 08:46:23 PM  
Ticketed in April ... hmm ... worse April fools prank ever?
 
2012-12-13 08:55:59 PM  

ko_kyi: In Maryland, speed camera tickets are for the peons. Our distinguished legislature specifically exempted themselves from them.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/27/2744.asp


Other than the part where you made that up, I'm totally with you.
 
2012-12-13 08:58:56 PM  

LaraAmber: Treygreen13: LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?

I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.

So your ass sits at the light for the 1-3 minutes it takes to cycle through. Reading the post: He chose to speed, he got caught speeding, somehow is it the camera's fault. Suck it up. I was caught by a camera on a road where a year later they bumped up the speed limit from 45 to 55. Do I biatch and moan that I wouldn't have gotten that ticket if they did the change earlier? Did I call and complain that everyone else on the road was also doing 50? He should just thank his stars the camera wasn't there every day of the week and slow down.


Maybe you should have. Instead, someone else went through the hassle and got something done about it, while get defensive and angry because you clearly aren't over getting screwed while someone else was vindicated and helped everyone else out in the meantime.

That, or your deference to authority is absolute, no matter how asinine. That attitude is just plain foreign to a lot of us.
 
2012-12-13 09:00:09 PM  

EViLTeW: Biner: occamswrist: Worst timed lights I've ever seen was throughout Albuquerque, NM. First in line and accelerating when the light turns green and by the time you are 100 ft from the next intersection the light is turning red.

I think they timed the lights to be perfectly off.

If you're traveling east or west in the Heights, you can generally leave the first light a bit slower than normal and get in the middle of the cycle. Then you'll hit them all green downstream, as long as you're moving at 35 mph. (Even on the streets like Comanche or Menaul with 30 or 40 mph speed limits.) Of course, there are times that traveling at 35 mph on Menaul is gonna piss off a lot of other drivers, but that's how they're timed.

There's a stretch of road where the speed limit is 40, you have to drive at 30 to make it through two lights without touching your breaks and then immediately accelerate to ~42-44 to make it through the next 2 before they turn yellow. Somehow every other car on the road gets the speeds backwards and regularly fark up my system.



Does your system have brakes?
 
2012-12-13 09:10:50 PM  

beantowndog: Sounds like the photos needed some circles and arrows.


Have a seat on the Group W bench, kid.
 
2012-12-13 09:15:53 PM  
Simple solution:

Call the traffic camera that took the photo and/or the computer software that processed the tick to the stand as witnesses.

Cite the case where the federal government sued a pile of cash, since if an inanimate object can be the defendant in a court trial, inanimate objects can be called to the witness stand.

File motion to have the ticket dismissed due to the ticketing entity's (camera and/or computer) failure to appear in court.

File suit in small claims court against camera and/or software (see above); get default judgement due to their failure to appear.


/get locked up for contempt of court for trying to use the government's own dirty tricks against the government
//get arrested for resisting arrest while exiting the court house, since all the cops need to do is yell "Stop resisting!" as they truncheon and taze you
///get home, car and all other worldly possessions seized by police and sold at auction due to the non-zero chance that drugs and/or drug paraphernalia might be among those possessions
////and if there's any pets at your home, all will be summarily executed on sight
 
2012-12-13 09:17:36 PM  

StrangeQ: occamswrist: Treygreen13: LaraAmber: thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit.

Huh?

I think he means that the lights are timed so that he could travel through all of them without stopping if it were not for one in the middle that prevents this.

So, for example, if light #7 out of 10 was in synch with the rest, he could drive through all 10 lights without stopping.

However, if light #7 is out of synch, he can get through lights 1-6, and has to wait at light 7. Which means that it throws the timing off with the rest of the lights and he has to also wait at 8, 9, and 10. It's inefficient to have a green light with no traffic going through it, so he goes twice as fast approaching light #7, so he can also go through lights 8, 9, and 10.

There is a string of lights like that on my commute to work. If you hit the lights right, every light is green except Commerce street. If you get caught at Commerce street, you can see all the lights ahead of Commerce street green, but empty because everyone is stopped at Commerce.

That's all it takes for some people to justify excessive speeding.

Look, its not like fark requires a test to get an account. This place is kind of like a public high school.

That's all it takes to spot a troll to. Or do you really spend your life just doing what you're told because you're too afraid to make any decisions for yourself?


I am going to go ahead and guess that the original post was Canadian. It is common for lights to be timed nicely and then they drop the speed limit. Actually in Toronto, I believe they time the lights to turn amber as you get to them.

The main thing is 15-20 is KM/H not miles per hour. 15-20 over the limit will almost never get a ticket, unless you are doing something else really wrong. It isn't as crazy bad as it sounds, we are talking 65 in a 50 zone, or 55 in a 40 zone.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-13 09:20:20 PM  
Baltimore Sun article: Then a Baltimore police officer must review the citation before approving it for issuance to the vehicle owner. Each citation says the officer swears or affirms that the car was going at least 12 mph over the speed limit "based on inspection of the recorded images." The officer's signature is also printed.

In other jurisdictions the private company that does the real work has a rubber stamp to affix the officer's signature. Sometimes an officer on vacation is still personally reviewing and approving tickets.  They forgot to switch stamps.
 
2012-12-13 09:30:38 PM  

Farklee: The resolution in your cameras will never catch me:
[s10.postimage.org image 599x802]

Merc Marauder +1

Also ... Nice narration, narrator dude. Spoke as though he had been injected with lidocaine at the beginning of the script. It has been creeping through the population for years. Even some TV actors, who should be articulate, exhibit this weird slush cadence. Hello, Worf. And Yar.

Opportunity is not pronounced oppertooowee. Word to Pierre McGuire.
 
2012-12-13 09:36:30 PM  

gunther_bumpass: EViLTeW: Biner: occamswrist: Worst timed lights I've ever seen was throughout Albuquerque, NM. First in line and accelerating when the light turns green and by the time you are 100 ft from the next intersection the light is turning red.

I think they timed the lights to be perfectly off.

If you're traveling east or west in the Heights, you can generally leave the first light a bit slower than normal and get in the middle of the cycle. Then you'll hit them all green downstream, as long as you're moving at 35 mph. (Even on the streets like Comanche or Menaul with 30 or 40 mph speed limits.) Of course, there are times that traveling at 35 mph on Menaul is gonna piss off a lot of other drivers, but that's how they're timed.

There's a stretch of road where the speed limit is 40, you have to drive at 30 to make it through two lights without touching your breaks and then immediately accelerate to ~42-44 to make it through the next 2 before they turn yellow. Somehow every other car on the road gets the speeds backwards and regularly fark up my system.


Does your system have brakes?

Not yet. It's on the to-do list.
More importantly, It's more efficient to not have to stop/start.
 
2012-12-13 09:41:59 PM  

occamswrist: Worst timed lights I've ever seen was throughout Albuquerque, NM. First in line and accelerating when the light turns green and by the time you are 100 ft from the next intersection the light is turning red.

I think they timed the lights to be perfectly off.


I've been to albequrque exactly once, and I noticed that on the main drag that goes out toward Tramway.
 
2012-12-13 09:44:16 PM  
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I am going to burn the whole f*cking internet to the ground.
 
2012-12-13 09:49:35 PM  

Elzar: In the photo, the car clearly is parked beyond the white stop line - which is technically a failure to stop.

[theinfosphere.org image 225x169]


No, not really. The white line does not indicate where the intersection is. You are not running a red light if you don't enter the intersection.

//lots of white lines near intersections
///none are the intersection
 
2012-12-13 09:52:15 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: fark those cameras. When I got popped for a ticket I ended up calling the company because I had one very simple question: why do I only have one ticket when I should have 364 other tickets because I, and everyone else on this particular stretch of road, knows that you have to do +15/20 over the posted limit of 50 to make it through one particular intersection in order to make the rest of the 5 intersections at the posted limit. The man explained to me that the camera actually clocks every single car that goes through the intersection, a police officer reviews them, and then chooses who to give tickets to.


If you're doing 15-20 over the limit you should expect to be ticketed.

I like to speed too, but I usually keep it under 10 over and only under certain conditions.

I've gotten 3 speeding tickets in the last 15 years (maybe longer) and all 3 times I was 15-20 over the limit. I hated getting them. I wished they would have cut me a break. I fought one of them and got off without paying any money to the government (I paid $30 to an online defensive driving class instead).

Cops generally won't pull you over for 5-10 over the limit unless you're doing something else stupid and all the speed cameras I've heard about don't even ticket you unless you're at least 10 over the limit.

In 2 of those cases I disagreed with the speed limit but that's another issue. I knew what the limit was and I exceeded it. Quit your biatching and pay your fines.
 
2012-12-13 09:53:52 PM  

pedrop357: In Las Vegas, the local police work with the highway patrol to issue tickets on the freeway. Not because of crashes or speed related problems on the freeways, but rather because of the number of accidents at exits and within 1 mile of the freeway.
Link

See, they ran the numbers and found that a lot of crashes happen near the freeways and allegedly a lot of those are speed related. Who would have thought that areas near freeways might have more crashes then areas far away from them? It's not like freeways are built near high traffic areas OR encourage building in areas, leading to more traffic.

The theory is that people who are speeding on the freeway are used to the speed and may underestimate their speeds right after the freeway so the extra enforcement on the freeway will make them think about their speed. I guess when you do 75 in a 65, you have a serious underestimation of your speed that causes a lot of problems in the 35mph zone off the freeway, BUT you don't have that problem when doing just 65 and then exiting to a 35 area.

The police heavily patrol the sections of the highway far away from dense areas and mainly the Southbound secton of I-15 in the morning to snag all those people going to California or Primm. Little to no police presence between I15/Tropicana and the high crash area near I15/Sahara.

It make SO MUCH more sense and is definitely not about money to have the police do speed traps on less dense, less travelled sections of the freeway than having police patrol the more dangerous sections of the freeway OR having police patrol near offramps or near freeways for all those people supposedly underestimating their speed.  Yep, nothing but safety in mind here.


It's called Velocitization
 
2012-12-13 10:05:56 PM  
I have a conspicious but small sticker in the corner of my rear window that says "This vehical is monitored with an A/V and GPS device." Is it true or not? I also own a Contour and Go-Pro and tend to record stuff, not to mention QIK app on the cell phone...

/My (or your) word against a cop's (or automated device) in court... usually meaningless.
//Raw video and GPS imbedded data against a cop's word in court... Fark!
 
2012-12-13 10:46:26 PM  

Tommy Moo: STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
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STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
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I am going to burn the whole f*cking internet to the ground.


Calm Act for autoplaying videos with sound...
Write your congressman, it should only take
60-to-70 years to get them to knock that off.

It's the bandwidth that gets me, I open up two
or three news tabs and they all strart streaming
that farking crap and my network comes to a halt,
locks up the browser, blanks the browser screen,
I can't close, I can not exit, I can not turn it down.

You bring the gas, I'll bring the match.
 
2012-12-13 10:49:26 PM  

special20: Godscrack:
Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.
Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it
For the nerds:
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]
Nice drop table command - which would be awesome if it really worked. lol 

/you get the idea


http://xkcd.com/327/
 
2012-12-13 10:57:18 PM  

kidgenius: It's called Velocitization


1st time I ever heard/read it was in that article. I immediately wondered if it was a word invented in the 1930s.

They still didn't explain why this was a problem with a driver doing 75, but not 65.
 
2012-12-13 11:09:27 PM  

bniath: special20: Godscrack:
Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.
Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it
For the nerds:
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]
Nice drop table command - which would be awesome if it really worked. lol 

/you get the idea

http://xkcd.com/327/


Damn. Read whole thread.
 
2012-12-13 11:11:16 PM  

Godscrack: [www.newlaunches.com image 450x474]

Plate flipper + pull down your sun visor.

Difficulty: You have to remember to when to do it


I have one of those, just have to install the thing ;)
 
2012-12-13 11:26:00 PM  
Over the speed limit, speed camera gets you, under the speed limit, speed camera gets you. Fark: Stopped at the light and you can clearly see brake lights and cross traffic moving in the photo, speed camera gets you

Well looks like subby's unaware of the concept of going to court and contesting obviously contradictory evidence. But no Police State hurr.
 
2012-12-13 11:58:03 PM  
site.backcountryracks.com

Problem solved.
 
2012-12-14 12:04:26 AM  

Tommy Moo: STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
STOP AUTOPLAYING VIDEOS WITH SOUND
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I am going to burn the whole f*cking internet to the ground.


Sucks when you hit that porn site by accident and she's screaming right at the start. Hope you live alone, or those must be some awkward conversations :)
 
2012-12-14 12:12:27 AM  
I don't seem to encounter these cameras on my commute to work. Must be my vehicle...

i28.photobucket.com

/not mine, but i do have one
//why do i not have pictures of it yet?
 
2012-12-14 12:14:09 AM  

beakerxf: Elzar: In the photo, the car clearly is parked beyond the white stop line - which is technically a failure to stop.

[theinfosphere.org image 225x169]

?? He got a speeding ticket, not a red light ticket. In the photo I saw, he's several inches behind the line.

On another note, the genius behind speeding camera tickets is that even when they get it wrong, they still get paid. I'm sure this guy will be charged court fees when he fights the ticket.


What he needs to do is A) sue the police station and the company for filing false police reports, B) file a formal complaint with the state attorney general's office, and his local DA, against the local officer who was supposed to be reviewing the evidence for dereliction of duty. C) Inform the local news stations about it, it's super juicy because everyone hates the damn cameras.
 
2012-12-14 12:15:55 AM  
The Pareto principle states that 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes.
That means that in business 80% of the ticket revenue comes from 20% of the customers.
A lot of farkers say that speed traps aren't about safety, they are about revenue for the police/city/county.
This makes ticket cameras and speed traps a business, which means that the 80/20 rule applies.

Don't want to be one of the 20% of drivers who pay 80% of the cops budget.
It's as simple as that.
 
2012-12-14 12:25:20 AM  
I hitched a ride with one of my neighbors about a month ago when he got a red light ticket. The camera was flashing while we were still 5 car lengths from the intersection and the traffic light was still green when we were under it. The photo they sent as evidence was of us more than a car length from the intersection. Our municipality gives the person at the collector's office discretion to override the cost, but you still get points on your license for it. Only a judge can dismiss it completely with $100 up front in court costs. The judge said he would let him off "easy" and waive the costs since it was such a blatant error.

Neighbor is waiting for a refund check. Probably will be a long wait.
 
2012-12-14 12:34:10 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: . I live 6 miles from work and it takes me 40 minutes to an hour because the lights are timed horrible


6 whole miles?

Ride a bike. You'll get there quicker.
 
2012-12-14 12:42:57 AM  

Clint_Torres: Must be my vehicle...


Seriously, those tires...great for winter slush, huh?
 
2012-12-14 12:55:03 AM  

whidbey: Clint_Torres: Must be my vehicle...

Seriously, those tires...great for winter slush, huh?


I wouldn't know yet. Stupid climate change!

/does snow dance
 
2012-12-14 01:25:22 AM  

YouSirAreAMaroon: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/27/2744.asp

Other than the part where you made that up, I'm totally with you.


FTFA: Lawmakers also rejected an amendment that would have ensured that state legislators were not exempt from receiving photo radar tickets.
 
2012-12-14 02:55:16 AM  
You know, when these money makers safety devices first came out here, I so wanted to get the plate numbers of all the city council and mayor, make up fake plates, and drive like hell thru all the cameras. Since it was next to impossible to get the tickets dismissed, and it took an act of congress and a year of time to get the city to admit there was something wrong with the ticket, I figured it would be the best payback I could get.

/never did do it
//just slowed down and got real careful about the short yellows that seemed to become more common
 
2012-12-14 05:31:29 AM  

LordJiro: hasty ambush: trivial use of my dark powers: Can we stop pretending these cameras are for "safety" now?

Shut up and pay your fine taxes. It's the patriotic thing to do. If you don't like government, roads and schools you can always move to Somalia.

If taxes were at a responsible level, cities wouldn't have to rely on tickets for revenue. But hey, TAXES BAD


Either you've never looked at the dirty underbelly of city graft politics, or you benefit from it.

There is no level taxes can be raised to that exceeds the politicians ability to spend/give as patronage. Apparently the only socially approved tax rate is Higher. There is no appropriate or affordable level of expenditure below which revenue should be capped.

If local Higher reaches strangulation levels, the whole country must pay. See Detroit and Obama Quid Pro Quo for an example.
 
2012-12-14 07:34:30 AM  

xenophon10k: Well, you know, it'$ ju$t ea$ier when you hard-code a value in the "$peed" field.


That's bad programming practice, and too easy to spot. What you do is randomize the speed variable, and put a lower bound on it.
 
2012-12-14 08:57:00 AM  
And you keep voting Democrat...
 
2012-12-14 10:25:57 AM  

foxyshadis: Maybe you should have. Instead, someone else went through the hassle and got something done about it, while get defensive and angry because you clearly aren't over getting screwed while someone else was vindicated and helped everyone else out in the meantime.

That, or your deference to authority is absolute, no matter how asinine. That attitude is just plain foreign to a lot of us.


That, or I am adult who accepts the consequences to my actions. I chose to speed, I knew the risks, I got caught, I paid the fine. It wasn't an unfamiliar road with no posted signs. But you are right, being a grownup and taking your lumps is foreign to a lot of Fark.

/No one else was "vindicated", the city changed the speed limit after a construction project made it safer for higher speeds. No white knight led the charge.
 
2012-12-14 12:00:17 PM  

clane: And you keep voting Democrat...


Hurr police state hurr durr
 
2012-12-14 12:18:03 PM  
Boy i bet his was face was red when he realized he put the words backwards

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2012-12-14 12:20:01 PM  
It seems like only a couple times a month(in PA) do I see cops just sitting in the middle of the highway waiting for speeders and I think to myself, "Happy Revenue Day"
 
2012-12-14 12:54:06 PM  

clane: Boy i bet his was face was red when he realized he put the words backwards


hurrr hurrr hurrr yer RIGHTS. Democrats. DURRR.
 
2012-12-14 01:26:47 PM  

flynn80: It seems like only a couple times a month(in PA) do I see cops just sitting in the middle of the highway waiting for speeders and I think to myself, "Happy Revenue Day"


The state troopers around here do that all the time, but they couldn't give a shiat if you're doing 10MPH over or less...they're looking for the cars that are blazing away at 85MPH or more, or dicks who are passing on the right, and weaving in and out of lanes to get somewhere quicker. The funny thing is, they haul in tons of revenue doing just that. You'd think that folks would learn to drive courteously, but evidently, they don't.
 
2012-12-14 02:05:04 PM  

whidbey: Over the speed limit, speed camera gets you, under the speed limit, speed camera gets you. Fark: Stopped at the light and you can clearly see brake lights and cross traffic moving in the photo, speed camera gets you

Well looks like subby's unaware of the concept of going to court and contesting obviously contradictory evidence. But no Police State hurr.


whidbey: Over the speed limit, speed camera gets you, under the speed limit, speed camera gets you. Fark: Stopped at the light and you can clearly see brake lights and cross traffic moving in the photo, speed camera gets you

Well looks like subby's unaware of the concept of going to court and contesting obviously contradictory evidence. But no Police State hurr.


============================

Geez, what part of the Government do you work for?

Instructions
a) You do nothing wrong
b) Tell your boss you will have to take tomorrow off from work to go explain to the government you did nothing wrong. Your boss takes a sip of coffee and says ok.
c) Get up in the morning drive the opposite way into town
d) Take 3 toll ways to get in because the Government doesn't have enough money to build roads
e) Pay for parking because the Government doesn't have enough money to build a parking lot for the court house
f) Speak to a very very friendly government worker to get your paper work in order
g) Sit in a court room and watch 19 cases about people getting tickets for having a dog off a leash on the beach, watering your yard on the off day, riding a bike without a helmet and so on....
h) It's finally your turn, the judge doesn't even look up as he says dismissed you did nothing wrong.
i) Walk back to your car throuth the piss stained streets and find a parking ticket on the windshield because it took the court 2 hours longer than you thougt it would to say you didn't do what we thought you did
j) Go back to work, jump in an hour late on a conference call and apologize to your boss's boss for being late as he thinks to himself, what a slacker.

That's the real world you stupid dumb azz whidbey, we don't all work for the Government. hurrr hurrr f*$#ck your RIGHTS, f*@^ck freedome huurrr hurrr...
 
2012-12-14 02:23:02 PM  

clane: That's the real world you stupid dumb azz whidbey


Your paranoid anti-government ramblings hardly constitutes "the real world. "

And no, I don't work for them. Like that would even matter.

You're just another one of those 20th century holdouts who can't handle societal change, and assumes that any law means=police state. I feel sorry for your family at Thanksgiving.
 
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