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(AZ Family)   The good news: You have a good chance at living longer than ever before in human history. The bad news: You'll probably be living longer with a crippling, painful disease   (azfamily.com) divider line 43
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2012-12-13 05:11:39 PM  
I hope it's Lupus

/or a tumor
 
2012-12-13 05:11:46 PM  
but how can that be when Quantum Apostrophe says.....

/wait for it
 
2012-12-13 05:12:38 PM  
just put my brain in a robot.
 
2012-12-13 05:15:24 PM  
but drugs, right? druggie drug drugs.

/drugs
 
2012-12-13 05:16:07 PM  

pedobearapproved: I hope it's Lupus

/or a tumor


Is it lupus?!
 
2012-12-13 05:16:45 PM  

uttertosh: but how can that be when Quantum Apostrophe says.....

/wait for it


Yes, that's right, we'll never ever figure out how to cure these diseases. But we'll 3D print warp drives, just you watch!
 
2012-12-13 05:16:57 PM  
Obvious tag? Where art thou?
 
2012-12-13 05:19:34 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: uttertosh: but how can that be when Quantum Apostrophe says.....

/wait for it

Yes, that's right, we'll never ever figure out how to cure these diseases. But we'll 3D print warp drives, just you watch!


knew i could rely on you ;-)
 
2012-12-13 05:20:25 PM  
My take on this has always been this, whats the point of living longer if you're bedridden in some nursing home for the last 15 years of your life.

Kind of reminds me of some of these medications you see advertised on TV, most of them, the side effects sound ten times worse than what they're supposed to be helping. You may very well have helped your high blood pressure, but now you have blurred vision, headaches, dizziness, nausea, leg cramps, night sweats, constipation and your dick stopped working.
 
2012-12-13 05:20:54 PM  
Only for people who believe in sickcare (a.k.a. "the healthcare system").

There are, of course, healthy options.

/ I've lost all of my belly fat
// eating bacon
/// mmmmmm.... bacon
 
2012-12-13 05:21:19 PM  

Sticky Hands: just put my brain in a robot.


this. stop trying to delay the physical bodies inevitable demise and work on transferrin' my consciousness over into a robut.
 
2012-12-13 05:21:28 PM  
If you have a crippling disease that makes life too painful to be worthwhile, start dying.
 
2012-12-13 05:23:32 PM  

BeerGraduate: If you have a crippling disease that makes life too painful to be worthwhile, start dying.


Sadly, this.
 
2012-12-13 05:32:08 PM  
July 2011: Almost died, can't walk or talk.
January 2012: Told I was going to die. "It was a tumor"
December 2012: In so much pain and drugged up 24/7. They should have let me go the other two times.
So, yeah, living longer isn't necessarily a good thing.

/Didn't even mention rattle snake bite 20-years-ago
 
2012-12-13 05:33:18 PM  
Nitrogen and a plastic bag is cheap, painless, peaceful....

/my plan
 
2012-12-13 05:45:51 PM  

FTGodWin: Only for people who believe in sickcare (a.k.a. "the healthcare system").

There are, of course, healthy options.

/ I've lost all of my belly fat
// eating bacon
/// mmmmmm.... bacon


High 5! I've given up grains, vegetable oils, sugar and processed foods. I eat high fat/low carb and I have never felt or looked better. I'm never hungry, sleep great, feel damn good. I refuse to be taken down by old age and disease.

My diet/lifestyle plus a living will assure that I will go out at the top of my game.
 
2012-12-13 05:50:21 PM  
peepee hurt, time to die.
 
2012-12-13 05:50:32 PM  
I know it is fark. But still I can't believe people are so heartless to say that people with chronic illness should just die.
That said---I am really irritated that stem cells have been pushed from a 3 year promise to a 15 year promise due to funding. :/
 
2012-12-13 05:52:34 PM  
Oh and I CRAVE this GITS
 
2012-12-13 05:54:26 PM  
Even better news: To get any treatment at all for your crippling disease, you will have to keep working past 65, past 70, past 80. You can't work? Sorry, no insurance. *Now* you can die.
 
2012-12-13 05:55:06 PM  
Paleo is a bunch of BS.
 
2012-12-13 06:06:39 PM  

ReapTheChaos: My take on this has always been this, whats the point of living longer if you're bedridden in some nursing home for the last 15 years of your life.

Kind of reminds me of some of these medications you see advertised on TV, most of them, the side effects sound ten times worse than what they're supposed to be helping. You may very well have helped your high blood pressure, but now you have blurred vision, headaches, dizziness, nausea, leg cramps, night sweats, constipation and your dick stopped working.


Watching my 87 year old grandma's suffering from general age related illness has made me wonder if the push to healthier life styles is so wise. On more than one occasion she has told us she would like to die.
 
2012-12-13 06:32:29 PM  
Logan's way ahead of you. 
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Happy Carrousel, everyone!
 
2012-12-13 06:35:16 PM  

Sticky Hands: just put my brain in a robot.


Just remember, the penalty for a robot killing a human is 10,000 years frozen in carbonite!

/we'll eat tires like licorice
 
2012-12-13 06:46:28 PM  

kg2095: ReapTheChaos: My take on this has always been this, whats the point of living longer if you're bedridden in some nursing home for the last 15 years of your life.

Kind of reminds me of some of these medications you see advertised on TV, most of them, the side effects sound ten times worse than what they're supposed to be helping. You may very well have helped your high blood pressure, but now you have blurred vision, headaches, dizziness, nausea, leg cramps, night sweats, constipation and your dick stopped working.

Watching my 87 year old grandma's suffering from general age related illness has made me wonder if the push to healthier life styles is so wise. On more than one occasion she has told us she would like to die.


My grandmother made it to 101, and more than once told us how she hated having to constantly make new friends, because everybody she knew well kept dying. She fell and broke her hips more than 5 times over the last 25 years of her life, and she kept being put through rehab. I'm thinking about getting a DNR tattoo on my chest.
 
2012-12-13 06:49:53 PM  
People aren't dying fast enough, causing the next generation to burn ITS wealth to support them. Until recently, parents had the decency to die in their 60s, leaving their wealth to their children and extended families - now we're eating our seed corn. What will we do when demographically 50% of the people don't work?
 
2012-12-13 06:50:34 PM  

ReapTheChaos: My take on this has always been this, whats the point of living longer if you're bedridden in some nursing home for the last 15 years of your life.

Kind of reminds me of some of these medications you see advertised on TV, most of them, the side effects sound ten times worse than what they're supposed to be helping. You may very well have helped your high blood pressure, but now you have blurred vision, headaches, dizziness, nausea, leg cramps, night sweats, constipation and your dick stopped working.


That's my perspective. Live fully and live well, but don't simply live to get to the oldest age you can because that isn't necessarily the best quality of life. Who really wants to eat dull tasting food for years without drugs, alcohol, sugar or adventures taken simply to die an old crusty person hopped up on pain medication while everyone you cared about is dead. No thanks.
 
2012-12-13 07:04:22 PM  
No, because we got drugs for that.

The last years of our lives will be spent in a blitzed out state of neurotropic bliss. Most of the time.
 
2012-12-13 07:06:19 PM  

MemeSlave: What will we do when demographically 50% of the people don't work?


50% of the people don't work now. Nor do they have to.
 
2012-12-13 07:46:55 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Kind of reminds me of some of these medications you see advertised on TV, most of them, the side effects sound ten times worse than what they're supposed to be helping. You may very well have helped your high blood pressure, but now you have blurred vision, headaches, dizziness, nausea, leg cramps, night sweats, constipation and your dick stopped working.


There was a 30 second ad on TV the other night....the first 6 seconds (which I missed) were how it helps your current imaginary condition. The next 24 seconds were how it will fark you up.
 
2012-12-13 07:47:17 PM  

Ishkur: No, because we got drugs for that.

The last years of our lives will be spent in a blitzed out state of neurotropic bliss. Most of the time.


I'm 50 years old with no assets and I don't own my own home. My window of employability is getting quite narrow.

Because I have made very poor choices in my life I will likely spend my last years living in a park and begging for spare change.
 
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2012-12-13 08:04:50 PM  
Let's hear it for Lamarckian evolution! Yay!
 
2012-12-13 08:15:00 PM  
Duh, curing disease isn't profitable, TREATING is!

/not sure if serious...
 
2012-12-13 09:50:31 PM  
Pay attention young-uns. "People are living longer now" is the excuse that the older generations are using for raising your social security and medicare age to preposterous numbers while retiring themselves at 65. Never mind that you'll be sick or invalid for those extra years. Or at best, un-hireable.

Not that they shouldn't raise it - it's headed for broke, after all. But the baby boomers should have to work until they're 70, too since they're the ones that couldn't be bothered to fund it during their working years.

Secure retirement and medicare! Free universities for us all! And we don't even have to pay for it... that's what our kids are for!

Thanks boomers.
 
2012-12-13 10:05:14 PM  
If you live long enough, you die. What a shocker.

No, the real shocker is that all these diseases we're getting now? Yeah, we didn't used to get them because we didn't live long enough TO get them. People didn't used to die of cancer and heart disease, because those take a while to develop and when the life expectancy was about 50, nobody lived long enough to develop fatal colon cancer or terminal heart disease. Now that humans live into their 70's, amazingly, we can develop fatal tumors in our ass.

The other thing is that we've eliminated the killers that used to mask chronic diseases. In the Olden Days--and in 3d world countries today--people died of pneumonia and dysentery, which are quite astonishingly symptoms of...heart disease and cancer. Imagine that. If your heart doesn't work, your lungs fill up with fluid and you die. If your internal organs are riddled with tumors, your bowels are often the first place it shows up, and you die. Well, nowadays, we can treat pneumonia and diarrhea, so people live long enough for the other, chronic disease to kill them.

So it's not that we're more disease-ridden than before, just that by living longer and NOT dying of the curable diseases that used to kill us, we have to die of things that take a while to develop and aren't curable. Which is a good thing, because if nobody ever died, where would we all live?
 
2012-12-13 10:07:52 PM  
See thread two links down from this one on the main page.

Problem solved.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:41 PM  

MemeSlave: People aren't dying fast enough, causing the next generation to burn ITS wealth to support them. Until recently, parents had the decency to die in their 60s, leaving their wealth to their children and extended families - now we're eating our seed corn. What will we do when demographically 50% of the people don't work?


It almost sems to me that this will become inevitable as the result of how hard we work ourselves. Once you hit adulthood, you get a job and work, work, work until either you are disabled or your retire at 65 or so. In the decades between you don't really do much to enjoy life or at least be satisfied with how you lived it, so you want to hang around for as long as you can.

Assuming heart disease theory is right regarding cholesterol, my family history and own medical conditions say I'm probably going to have a heart attack in my 40's. I'm 25 now, so you better believe the rat race isn't for me.
 
2012-12-13 11:42:37 PM  
Medical science has found ways to make the human body last longer than it wants to. You need only go through a nursing home to see why this is a bad thing.
 
2012-12-14 12:47:05 AM  

kg2095: Ishkur: No, because we got drugs for that.

The last years of our lives will be spent in a blitzed out state of neurotropic bliss. Most of the time.

I'm 50 years old with no assets and I don't own my own home. My window of employability is getting quite narrow.

Because I have made very poor choices in my life I will likely spend my last years living in a park and begging for spare change.


Holy crap, I just turned 30 yesterday and I feel like I just saw a future Fark post of mine.
 
2012-12-14 01:53:58 AM  
If I end up with cancer that can't be treated or cured I'll wait till it gets to the point I get a prescription for pain meds, say percoset ,vicodin or oxycontin. Then I'll take the whole damm bottle and wash them down with ethanol. Then I'll just go to sleep and it will be over. I guess the only downside to this is that while the pain and suffering will be over, I won't be around to enjoy it.
 
2012-12-14 03:08:26 AM  

Fail in Human Form: kg2095: Ishkur: No, because we got drugs for that.

The last years of our lives will be spent in a blitzed out state of neurotropic bliss. Most of the time.

I'm 50 years old with no assets and I don't own my own home. My window of employability is getting quite narrow.

Because I have made very poor choices in my life I will likely spend my last years living in a park and begging for spare change.

Holy crap, I just turned 30 yesterday and I feel like I just saw a future Fark post of mine.


Perhaps we'll have neighboring park benches then.
 
2012-12-14 10:32:50 AM  

cherryl taggart: I'm thinking about getting a DNR tattoo on my chest.


Emergency responders and doctors often ignore those, just in case you changed your mind since you got the tattoo. They're permanent you know. A Living Will is adviseable.
 
2012-12-14 01:15:01 PM  
Anyone who want to think about 'cheating death', I encourage you to watch at least the first 3 episodes of "Torchwood: Miracle Day".

3-word plot: Everyone stops dying.

Think about it. EVERYONE STOPS DYING.

That includes:
- incinerated burn victims
- abortions and still births
- massive bodily injuries

/horror in my sci-fi? More likely than you think.
 
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