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(Engadget)   Google: "We don't want to make any applications for the operating system that will be on the lion's share of new desktops sold in the next year"   (engadget.com) divider line 95
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2012-12-13 02:11:57 PM  
Why would they? I use the Gmail app on my android phone because webmail is a pain in the ass on mobile, but I haven't used an actual mail app for personal mail in forever - not counting work, and I can't see any businesses turning away from Lotus or Outlook
 
2012-12-13 02:14:16 PM  
Likewise, I don't understand why they would need to make specific apps for Windows 8...
 
2012-12-13 02:18:45 PM  
Totally. All the IT guys are lining up around the block to set up Win8, just like how everyone adopted Vista wholly.
 
2012-12-13 03:32:57 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Likewise, I don't understand why they would need to make specific apps for Windows 8...


No joke. All Google services are accessible via webpages on desktop machines. Platform-specific apps would be pretty redundant.
 
2012-12-13 03:33:23 PM  
"Likewise, I don't understand why they would need to make specific apps for Windows 8..."


Who cares more opportunity for the rest of us to make a few bucks.


/I'd already be in there with an Arduino refrence app
//Course the "free" tools fail to install
///love those .net dependencies MS!
 
2012-12-13 03:33:24 PM  
Why should they? Pretty much anything you need from google on a pc can be accessed through Chrome or IE...
 
2012-12-13 03:36:48 PM  

metallion: Why should they? Pretty much anything you need from google on a pc can be accessed through Chrome or IE...


This. The only reason to make a "Windows 8 app" is for the ARM-based WinRT tablets.
 
2012-12-13 03:40:13 PM  

russlar: metallion: Why should they? Pretty much anything you need from google on a pc can be accessed through Chrome or IE...

This. The only reason to make a "Windows 8 app" is for the ARM-based WinRT tablets.


Those aren't likely to stick around.
 
2012-12-13 03:40:52 PM  
Since all previous versions run on real windows 8 anyway, the only thing this effects is ARM stuff, which in my experience usually ports ok (usable but somewhat unstable/and or certain extended features don't work) from the droid/chrome based version anyway.

It also goes a decent way to making MS look bad when they don't have the program base to compete in the tablet market.
 
2012-12-13 03:53:40 PM  
Also subby, you might want to look at how the supply chain is doing at the moment..

The bottom has fallen out of the market...no one wants windows 8, no one wants laptops/desktops with windows 8.

So whilst it will be the majority of pc's, that number is going to be a damn sight smaller than the last decade..
 
2012-12-13 04:06:36 PM  
Were I to be in the market for a new computer and Windows 8 was the only option, the first thing I'd do is wipe the drive and put Win 7 ultimate on it with my TechNet subscription.
 
2012-12-13 04:07:48 PM  
Windows 8 is shiat, why would Google want to move forward with enticing people towards a terrible operating system? Why would google pay MS for "Windows 8 certified" stickers on crap. MS can make an OS compatible with existing 64 bit software for the old platform... non-retro-compliant OS issues should be pinned on the people making the crappy OS.
 
2012-12-13 04:08:07 PM  
Google Chrome -> Control Button -> Tools -> Create Application Shortcuts.

App Done. Am I missing something here?
 
2012-12-13 04:09:27 PM  

moel: Also subby, you might want to look at how the supply chain is doing at the moment..

The bottom has fallen out of the market...no one wants windows 8, no one wants laptops/desktops with windows 8.

So whilst it will be the majority of pc's, that number is going to be a damn sight smaller than the last decade..



Pretty much this.  I understand most pc buyers aren't savvy, and figure- on their own- that whatever the latest version of Windows is, thats what they want.  But don't forget, most pc buyers also ask savvy pc users what to look for.
 
I've told at least 3 people "no matter what, avoid Windows 8."
 
2012-12-13 04:13:39 PM  
I really don't get all the Win8 hatred. IT admin wise, it makes refreshing / restoring a PC *hella* easy, and the fact that I can put my full Win8 pc on a usb stick and have it work on any machine, even automatically installing drivers, is brilliant.

Users don't need a start button or menu.
 
2012-12-13 04:14:21 PM  
It will likely be the most shipped OS next year, but it won't even come close to matching Windows 7 for user totals, hell it will probably take years to catch up to Windows XP. And I would bet that most Google programs run fine on Windows 8 anyways being browser based and all.
 
2012-12-13 04:20:06 PM  

Lexx: I really don't get all the Win8 hatred. IT admin wise, it makes refreshing / restoring a PC *hella* easy, and the fact that I can put my full Win8 pc on a usb stick and have it work on any machine, even automatically installing drivers, is brilliant.

Users don't need a start button or menu.


It's overblown crap like most peoples' frothing hatred of anything in technology is.
 
2012-12-13 04:20:07 PM  
Hey look, another thread where people who don't have Windows 8 biatch about Windows 8.
 
2012-12-13 04:21:26 PM  
I've got a desktop with Win8 on it. I've had no problems. It just took a bit of getting used to is all.
 
2012-12-13 04:28:36 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Hey look, another thread where people who don't have Windows 8 biatch about Windows 8.


Some of us tested it before release and didn't like it.

/biggest pos we tested at the office
//we might still install it on some computer labs
 
2012-12-13 04:38:42 PM  

Lexx: Users don't need a start button or menu.


It's not that they *need* it, it's that getting used to an OS that works significantly differently to the previous edition of that OS is a completely pointless hassle. It's like if the next version of Linux required you to use a Dvorak keyboard - sure, you can get used to it and it might even be slightly better once you do, but who wants to deal with that shiat?
 
2012-12-13 04:42:24 PM  
Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-13 04:42:48 PM  
"Oh no! I won't be able to have a huge icon on my Win8 Start menu telling me the number of unopened items I have in my GMail! Whatever will I do!"

"Check your GMail the same way you've been doing it for the past decade, by using your browser?"

"LUDDITE! Embrace the future, for reasons that aren't entirely clear but are most certainly valid!"
 
2012-12-13 04:43:30 PM  
"If you're eager to load up a Windows Phone or Windows 8 PC with dedicated Gmail or Google Drive apps, it's time you ease up on the anticipation, as Mountain View isn't bent on bringing apps to the platforms thanks to a lack of interest."

If you're eager to do anything with Win8, you need a swift kick to the head... It's initials even tell you so: W8 for a better OS!
 
2012-12-13 04:44:03 PM  

downstairs: I've told at least 3 people "no matter what, avoid Windows 8."


Popcorn Johnny: Hey look, another thread where people who don't have Windows 8 biatch about Windows 8.


I just bought an ultrabook with Windows 8 on it last night.

A touch screen makes the paradigm actually make sense - I couldn't imagine only using Windows 8 with a mouse/keyboard. (Weirdly, people's proclamations that people don't want laptops with touchscreens makes me think that they've never tried it. I might not want a desktop with a touchscreen, but a 13" laptop - its actually awesome)

The odd thing though is that there are a lot of legacy parts to Windows 8 that make me feel like the OS is only half finished.

For example: the display options (and for that matter 80% of the control panel) are all located in the traditional windows control panel. The remaining 20% options are in a nice touch-friendly settings application that I can access through the Metro interface. It confuses me as to why they didn't go the extra mile to just convert everything.

Also, I'm having to re-learn a lot of basic commands. Closing windows, accessing the program settings, and accessing the system settings are a few examples of this. Gestures are another. I only figured out how to close a program from watching some guy give an ultrabook review on Youtube.

The bugs are also somewhat of a pain. Some of it is hardware driver related, the others are windows based. Why, when in portrait mode, can't I bring up the keyboard to log in if the damn thing is locked? It comes up and get dismissed in the same instant.

But still, I have to say, when I was using it for the first time last night, my first thought was "Apple better get their act together, people are coming to eat their cake."

I'll be able to better speak about it in a few months when I put this thing through its paces.

Kuroshin: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Likewise, I don't understand why they would need to make specific apps for Windows 8...

No joke. All Google services are accessible via webpages on desktop machines. Platform-specific apps would be pretty redundant.


^Partially this

But also, Google's business is to push users towards web services where they can either sell advertising or sell aggregated data on user behavior. The only reason for them to make apps for smartphone OS is that for the most part, smartphone OS' restrict accessing the juicy bits of data that Google wants to get their hands on - and have to use native APIs to get at them through the OS' security layer (location data, usage data, hardware data, browsing habits, cross referencing habits, etc).

Making a OS-dependent application in order to access data that they can already get to doesn't make sense.

/For now, of course
 
2012-12-13 04:45:36 PM  
It may be on the majority of next year's PCs but when they don't sell, does it really matter?
 
2012-12-13 04:47:31 PM  

Dinobot: Some of us tested it before release and didn't like it.


I have it on my PC and it's not a damn bit different than Windows 7 unless I use the tiled start page. I still sometimes forget I even have it until my mouse wanders and I pull up the bar on the right side of the screen.
 
2012-12-13 04:52:47 PM  
For those that don't understand what this means ... if they don't code for Win8 then their application will not play with the new tile interface.

You will need to go to the standard desktop that is hiding behind the tiles and launch it like normal.

If this interface succeeds on the PC then Google will change their tune. Until then they do not need to cater to Microsoft.
 
2012-12-13 04:53:11 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Hey look, another thread where people who don't have Windows 8 biatch about Windows 8.


I recently bought a computer with Win 8 on it.

It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.

/Returned it and swapped for a Win 7 computer.
//I still prefer XP due to some niggling minor issues with 7, but I'll take 7 over 8 any damn day.
 
2012-12-13 04:55:09 PM  
Windows 8 is better than 7, but all you fanbois who haven't tried it know better. I've heard it before. Know what you sound like? Old. OLD.
 
2012-12-13 04:56:23 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.


Oh bullshiat, it's the same farking thing as Windows 7 with the addition of a tiled start page.
 
2012-12-13 04:57:55 PM  
Google's not really known for a large number of stand-alone desktop apps. I wouldn't expect them to have targeted anything at Windows 8.

Anyone with the desktop version (non-RT or whatever) will be able to run 'Windows version'.
Anyone with Windows-RT can run an HTML5 web-based version.

Kind of a non-story.
 
2012-12-13 04:58:21 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fluorescent Testicle: It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.

Oh bullshiat, it's the same farking thing as Windows 7 with the addition of a tiled start page.


Nah, it's also faster than 7 and has some nifty new tools.
 
2012-12-13 05:03:47 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fluorescent Testicle: It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.

Oh bullshiat, it's the same farking thing as Windows 7 with the addition of a tiled start page.



Ok, I'll trust you.  I've heard that a lot of software doesn't work perfectly with Windows 8.  Especially legacy stuff.
 
2012-12-13 05:05:14 PM  

BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]


If phones and tablets could do everything PCs can in reality, you'd have a much stronger point.

/getting there
//but not there yet
 
2012-12-13 05:05:28 PM  
I love the fact that I installed windows 8 on my HTPC attached to a 720p TV, and none of the 'Metro' apps will launch. Farking brilliant.
 
2012-12-13 05:05:28 PM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: Fluorescent Testicle: It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.

Oh bullshiat, it's the same farking thing as Windows 7 with the addition of a tiled start page.

Nah, it's also faster than 7 and has some nifty new tools.



I'd be interested in what new tools are most appealing/useful.  Serious question, no snark.
 
The tiled interface I have zero use for, but I guess you can turn that off.
 
Open question to anyone using Win 8.
 
2012-12-13 05:08:45 PM  

downstairs: Ok, I'll trust you.  I've heard that a lot of software doesn't work perfectly with Windows 8.  Especially legacy stuff.


I haven't had any problems so far.
 
2012-12-13 05:12:32 PM  

Telos: BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]

If phones and tablets could do everything PCs can in reality, you'd have a much stronger point.

/getting there
//but not there yet


If Microsoft hadn't just given Windows a Smart Phone interface, you'd have a much stronger point as well. dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-13 05:20:03 PM  

ghare: Windows 8 is better than 7, but all you fanbois who haven't tried it know better. I've heard it before. Know what you sound like? Old. OLD.


Windows 8 is no Vista that's for sure. Vista had a buggy, rotten foundation at the start, however the GUI was what the end-user expected.

Windows 8 has the solid foundation of Windows 7, with some minor performance tweaks. Unfortunately that foundation is grafted on a partially re-written GUI that works OK if you've got a touchscreen/keyboard/mouse and can handle switching between two different desktop metaphors. It's the Pontiac Aztek of OS's.
 
2012-12-13 05:20:22 PM  

BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]


Why not add video game consoles in there too? Throw in smart TVs while you're at it. How about network gear? How are we arbitrarily defining "computer" this time around? Any digital device that performs math? Any consumer electronics device with a UI? Anything that can run a web-browser?
 
2012-12-13 05:20:48 PM  
i hate Win8 because it's hip to
 
2012-12-13 05:26:16 PM  
I'm not sure why you would need a Windows 8 app for Gmail anyway. The native mail client on Windows 8 supports Gmail, and that way you get the benefits of live tiles. I'd have to double check, but I believe the native Windows 8 Calendar and People apps also integrates with the Google calendar and contacts.

If you prefer to install Outlook 2010 or the 2013 beta, then you can integrate Gmail through POP or IMPAP. Of course that doesn't give you live tile support, but that's an issue with office.

If you want Gmail by itself on the start screen, just pin a shortcut there. Granted that won't be a live tile, either, but it's a simple click.

So I'm not surprised there's no Gmail app for Windows 8. I don't recall one for Windows 7 so why start now?
 
2012-12-13 05:26:23 PM  

ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]

Why not add video game consoles in there too? Throw in smart TVs while you're at it. How about network gear? How are we arbitrarily defining "computer" this time around? Any digital device that performs math? Any consumer electronics device with a UI? Anything that can run a web-browser?


You don't have to add any of those to see that both Apple and Google both have a larger share of the market than Microsoft does.
 
2012-12-13 05:29:09 PM  
So much Neckbeard rage.

These were the same people screaming about how Windows 7 would be a huge failure.
 
2012-12-13 05:33:05 PM  
I'll admit that Windows 8 is kind of a waste if your on a desktop or a regular laptop. Where it's going to shine is on the new "ultrabooks" that can be used as a tablet or a laptop.
 
2012-12-13 05:36:47 PM  

BullBearMS: ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]

Why not add video game consoles in there too? Throw in smart TVs while you're at it. How about network gear? How are we arbitrarily defining "computer" this time around? Any digital device that performs math? Any consumer electronics device with a UI? Anything that can run a web-browser?

You don't have to add any of those to see that both Apple and Google both have a larger share of the market than Microsoft does.


... right, adding those would have the opposite effect as MS has shipped millions 360s which run a MS OS where as adding such things would boost Apple and Google by exactly 0. Then again, I guess you'd have to start counting the Apple TV.

The point is if you arbitrarily draw the line of "what is computer" you get different answers. It works the other way too. Apple and Google compete over the "mobile" market with MS in distant 3rd. Would it be reasonable to say, "well, laptops are portable, so actually MS has much larger market share than those other guy's numbers say."

So I'm asking you, the guy saying that we need to stop "pretending tablets and phones aren't computers" to define exactly what makes a computer so we can all judge exactly how much you want to skew numbers.
 
2012-12-13 05:52:34 PM  

ProfessorOhki: So I'm asking you, the guy saying that we need to stop "pretending tablets and phones aren't computers" to define exactly what makes a computer so we can all judge exactly how much you want to skew numbers.


How about any device that is commonly used to run a word processor, spreadsheet, and/or database? Those are very traditional computer based tasks.
 
2012-12-13 05:55:51 PM  
Everything Google's done that's been awesome or good (Gmail, Google search, Google docs, Google maps) and everything they've done that's OK (gchat, google video, a bunch of other crap that's now bundled into google+) function almost entirely through a web browser. In fact, the whole point of most of them is to be non-platform-specific.

Beyond porting Chrome to Windows 8, what 'apps' are we expecting them to develop for it? Desktop search maybe? We realize that integrated Windows search has been better than desktop search for years, right?
 
2012-12-13 05:57:10 PM  

downstairs: The tiled interface I have zero use for, but I guess you can turn that off.


Nope...everytime you boot the machine its there....no turning TIFKAM off, otherwise how would MS batter you into submission with it....

...its like the tech equivalent of your 4 year old child tugging at your trousers and constantly asking for a furby this christmas..you know its going to be a farking nightmare but you will probably eventually give in
 
2012-12-13 06:01:54 PM  

BullBearMS: ProfessorOhki: So I'm asking you, the guy saying that we need to stop "pretending tablets and phones aren't computers" to define exactly what makes a computer so we can all judge exactly how much you want to skew numbers.

How about any device that is commonly used to run a word processor, spreadsheet, and/or database? Those are very traditional computer based tasks.


Fair enough, but I do think most people would agree with me that getting punched in the gut is much more enjoyable than attempting to edit a spreadsheet on a touch screen.
 
2012-12-13 06:09:02 PM  

ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: ProfessorOhki: So I'm asking you, the guy saying that we need to stop "pretending tablets and phones aren't computers" to define exactly what makes a computer so we can all judge exactly how much you want to skew numbers.

How about any device that is commonly used to run a word processor, spreadsheet, and/or database? Those are very traditional computer based tasks.

Fair enough, but I do think most people would agree with me that getting punched in the gut is much more enjoyable than attempting to edit a spreadsheet on a touch screen.


In Microsoft Office, yes. What with it's complete lack of a touch based interface.
 
2012-12-13 06:14:01 PM  

ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: ProfessorOhki: So I'm asking you, the guy saying that we need to stop "pretending tablets and phones aren't computers" to define exactly what makes a computer so we can all judge exactly how much you want to skew numbers.

How about any device that is commonly used to run a word processor, spreadsheet, and/or database? Those are very traditional computer based tasks.

Fair enough, but I do think most people would agree with me that getting punched in the gut is much more enjoyable than attempting to edit a spreadsheet on a touch screen.


I'm actually doing just that right now on an iPad using Google Drive. It isn't horrible, as long as you don't have to do anything too complicated (like anything more complex than inputting data). Then it becomes a slow, infuriating death.
 
2012-12-13 06:14:59 PM  

zarberg: Were I to be in the market for a new computer and Windows 8 was the only option, the first thing I'd do is wipe the drive and put Win 7 ultimate on it with my TechNet subscription.


There's no need for that. Windows 8 is perfectly fine as soon as you open the old timey desktop, and doing that is just a minor after starting your computer.
 
2012-12-13 06:21:14 PM  
Chrome is already a Windows 8 application. It's switchable between desktop and metro in the menu.
 
2012-12-13 06:35:04 PM  
Is there a reason they should make apps especially for Windows 8? Because maybe it's just me, but I'd think the platform-agnostic websites they already have available will work fine in Win8, and I don't see either WinRT or WP8 being a big enough deal to even bother.
 
2012-12-13 06:36:21 PM  

zarberg: Were I to be in the market for a new computer and Windows 8 was the only option, the first thing I'd do is wipe the drive and put Win 7 ultimate on it with my TechNet subscription.


Or, you can just install this.

/as usual, third-party developers come to the rescue on MS's farkups.
 
2012-12-13 06:38:14 PM  

narkor: So much Neckbeard rage.

These were the same people screaming about how Windows 7 would be a huge failure.


Someone was screaming about how Windows 7 would be a huge failure? Because the general reaction I remember was, "Oh thank all that is holy, it's better than Vista."
 
2012-12-13 06:43:22 PM  
Windows 8 as a packaged was a disgrace. But if you remove all of the Metro apps and treat Metro like a retarded Start button, Windows 8 is usable. Hot corners are easy to get used to.
 
2012-12-13 06:43:59 PM  
In other news, Google Apps product management director Clay Bavor isn't old enough to shave.

www.v3.co.uk
 
2012-12-13 06:46:38 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Google's not really known for a large number of stand-alone desktop apps. I wouldn't expect them to have targeted anything at Windows 8.

Anyone with the desktop version (non-RT or whatever) will be able to run 'Windows version'.
Anyone with Windows-RT can run an HTML5 web-based version.

Kind of a non-story.


Depends. Certain things like Google+ hangout (the only reason I use Google+) can't run on the web-version. On Windows (x86), you can install a program that allows the browser to access the webcam and mic. On RT, you're f*cked.

Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.
 
2012-12-13 06:53:53 PM  

moel: downstairs: The tiled interface I have zero use for, but I guess you can turn that off.

Nope...everytime you boot the machine its there....no turning TIFKAM off, otherwise how would MS batter you into submission with it....

...its like the tech equivalent of your 4 year old child tugging at your trousers and constantly asking for a furby this christmas..you know its going to be a farking nightmare but you will probably eventually give in


Or get Classic Shell. I traded up to W8 from XP on a fairly modern mobo/processor machine and the improvement in speed was huge. With Classic Shell (or Start 8 which does much the same) I have a start button and never have to see Metro unless I want to.
Not had any issues with older software not running apart from my video card twin monitor function not working with W8.

Still very glad I upgraded, $40 was a great deal. Still think Metro is stupid beyond belief, but I don't have to use it.
 
2012-12-13 06:56:31 PM  
I don't buy or upgrade my OS until it has been out for AT LEAST a year. There never is any point to and I do lots of CAD work and play tons of PC games. Have fun with your patches and plethora of problems!
 
2012-12-13 07:02:18 PM  

russlar: metallion: Why should they? Pretty much anything you need from google on a pc can be accessed through Chrome or IE...

This. The only reason to make a "Windows 8 app" is for the ARM-based WinRT tablets.


because the tablets dont have a "web browser" ??
I still dont get this.

The phone, I understand, a standalone app is infinitely better than a web page for mail ...
but still.

In theory, they could do one of those media pages for gmail and jsut be done with it
 
2012-12-13 07:18:42 PM  

imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.


Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.
 
2012-12-13 07:41:31 PM  

narkor: These were the same people screaming about how Windows 7 would be a huge failure.


I don't recall anyone saying Windows 7 was going to be a disaster. It was the first version since XP that was stable and not a pain to use. Every company I know of is in process of moving to it.

/Windows 8 on the other hand - no corporation is going to touch it
 
2012-12-13 07:51:09 PM  

HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.


For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.
 
2012-12-13 08:48:18 PM  

imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.

For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.


So use the built-in OS "mail" app or Outlook. Why does the mail app need to be Gmail specific?
 
2012-12-13 09:04:02 PM  

BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]


If I'm to believe that graph, and Apple went from 5% to 21% from '04 to '05. This is a pretty remarkable feat considering that the iPhone didn't come out until 2007. There's no way MacOS share grew that much in one year either. Are they counting iPods? Calling an iPod a computer is a bit of a stretch. I'd also be curious what "other" was that jumped from 0% to 29% in one year.

It's not like these numbers are hard to look up:
According to Apple, there have been 400 million total iOS devices activated since the OS's release in 2007, and fewer than 100 million copies of OSX sold. Call it 500 million devices since 2007.
According to Microsoft, it has sold 700 million copies of Win7 since its release in 2009, 40 million copies of Win8 in about a month, and about 70 million Xboxes. Ignore phones and call it 800 million devices since 2009.
According to Google, 500 million Android devices have been activated since 2008.

You can argue all day about the future, but I don't see how you can interpret these numbers and come to the conclusion that Microsoft is in third place this generation.
 
2012-12-13 09:14:12 PM  

oren0: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.

For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.

So use the built-in OS "mail" app or Outlook. Why does the mail app need to be Gmail specific?


Cause the gmail app is almost always better than the native client. There are many features that are gmail specific -- conversations, labels, integration with google contacts and google+ profiles, integration with gchat, complex search and manipulating filters -- all of which aren't supported in other clients because they can only communicate via IMAP.

I guess it depends on how much of gmail's features you use. I use a lot and find that email clients really suck if you wanna do anything complex.
 
2012-12-13 09:17:24 PM  

gingerjet: I don't recall anyone saying Windows 7 was going to be a disaster.


No one did. That's what you call a 'strawman' argument.

I find all the dildoes with their "U no like Windows 8 means u old" attitude farking obnoxious. MS has lost the plot, shiat is shiat, I gave it a fair chance, and I'm sticking with W7 for the company for the foreseeable future. Just placed an order for 5 more W7 notebooks actually.

Still mad at MS for gutting Live Mesh/Essentials, not to mention the 10 year neglect of ink.
 
2012-12-13 09:21:13 PM  
Man, I saw "WP" and got all nostalgic for Word Perfect, the most intuitive word processor EVAR. God, MSWord is the shiats.
 
2012-12-13 09:33:51 PM  

oren0: I'd also be curious what "other" was that jumped from 0% to 29% in one year.


I would guess "Other" includes BlackBerry and Palm. But, yeah, that data does look very screwy.
 
2012-12-13 09:37:55 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: In other news, Google Apps product management director Clay Bavor isn't old enough to shave.


I didn't know Michael Ian Black wore glasses as a teenager.
 
2012-12-13 10:02:54 PM  

Bacontastesgood: Still mad at MS for gutting Live Mesh/Essentials, not to mention the 10 year neglect of ink.


still FURIOUS at MS for buying one of the best websites EVER and shutting it OFF

firefly.com
This was the best ever website for recommending books, movies and music, bar NONE.
No one has come close since them. Launchcast was pretty damn good. Pandera has a long way to go still, and only does music.

Firefly would recommend movies, based on your ratings of other movies.
Pissed me off it was so good. It kept recommending a stupid movie which I had not seen.
Finally broke down and watched it. Jacob's Ladder ... WTF!!!! Great movie!!

Amazon continues to try to do the same thing with its recommendations and they are complete failures. sigh
 
2012-12-13 10:40:17 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'll admit that Windows 8 is kind of a waste if your on a desktop or a regular laptop. Where it's going to shine is on the new "ultrabooks" that can be used as a tablet or a laptop.


Thankyou. Now we can agree. :P
 
2012-12-13 11:03:31 PM  
Lions are using computers now? We're farked.
 
2012-12-13 11:57:14 PM  
Desktops are old school anyway. Let them die.
 
2012-12-13 11:59:03 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Man, I saw "WP" and got all nostalgic for Word Perfect, the most intuitive word processor EVAR. God, MSWord is the shiats.


True dat. Nothing like reveal codes, and proper page layout.
 
2012-12-14 12:09:05 AM  
google making bullshiat excuses to avoid competition.
 
2012-12-14 04:20:54 AM  

symbolset: Desktops are old school anyway. Let them die.


you obviously don't belong in a discussion about technology or computing. they're not going anywhere.
 
2012-12-14 04:30:08 AM  

oren0: According to Apple, there have been 400 million total iOS devices activated since the OS's release in 2007, and fewer than 100 million copies of OSX sold. Call it 500 million devices since 2007.
According to Microsoft, it has sold 700 million copies of Win7 since its release in 2009, 40 million copies of Win8 in about a month, and about 70 million Xboxes. Ignore phones and call it 800 million devices since 2009.
According to Google, 500 million Android devices have been activated since 2008.

You can argue all day about the future, but I don't see how you can interpret these numbers and come to the conclusion that Microsoft is in third place this generation.


Give it two or three years and then we'll see where we are.

Pretty much everyone has a PC that does what they want. My mother has a 6 year old laptop. My PC is 5 years old. My father-in-law only has a 2 year old PC because his motherboard died (otherwise, he'd have a 6 year old PC). Unless you're running video encoding or 3D work or into hardcore gaming, you can get a laptop off eBay for £150 that will do what you need. Some of that is also about the features of PCs - we were all upgrading as we got things like USB, DVD playback and wifi.

Now look at phones. We've gone from basic phones that made calls and texts, to phones with cameras, to phones with better cameras, phones with GPS, programmable phones with stores etc etc. You want to see the future, look at the iPhone 5. Phone manufacturers have run out of new features. The cameras are good enough. You think sales of phones are going to remain where they are when manufacturers have nothing useful to add?
 
2012-12-14 08:53:45 AM  
Yeah, Vista had its defenders too. Didn't make it a good OS.
 
2012-12-14 09:02:35 AM  

imashark: A touch screen makes the paradigm actually make sense - I couldn't imagine only using Windows 8 with a mouse/keyboard. (Weirdly, people's proclamations that people don't want laptops with touchscreens makes me think that they've never tried it. I might not want a desktop with a touchscreen, but a 13" laptop - its actually awesome)


Having never used it, I've got no hands-on knowledge, but wouldn't a touchscreen on a laptop result in constant movement of the hinge, drastically accelerating its becoming loose with wear?
 
2012-12-14 09:30:33 AM  

imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.

For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.


Who gives a shiat about Windows RT?
 
2012-12-14 10:51:15 AM  
THAT was the article I just spent 5 mins trying to load on a bad 3g connection? I got just as much info from the fark headline and it didn't take a huge header and footer fulla crap to say it. Fark that site.
 
2012-12-14 01:50:25 PM  

farkeruk: Now look at phones. We've gone from basic phones that made calls and texts, to phones with cameras, to phones with better cameras, phones with GPS, programmable phones with stores etc etc. You want to see the future, look at the iPhone 5. Phone manufacturers have run out of new features. The cameras are good enough. You think sales of phones are going to remain where they are when manufacturers have nothing useful to add?


How substantive are the differences between the iPhone 3 and the iPhone 5, and yet people keep upgrading by the millions? How many people do you know that still use an iPhone 3 or older? Part of this is the carrier subsidized model for new phones that we have in the US, where you can get a relatively new phone for nearly free with contract every two years, but I understand Europe works differently in that regard.

Generally, though, many people want the newest and fastest thing. Another set of the market views technology as a fashion statement and refuses to be seen without the coolest new gadget. Finally, nearly half of people still have dumb phones, and the smartphone demographic is growing to both older people, younger kids (though I don't have any idea why an 8-year-old needs a smartphone), and developing countries. I'm not worried about the future growth of that industry at all.
 
2012-12-14 01:56:02 PM  

HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.

For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.

Who gives a shiat about Windows RT?


I do. I like having good battery life.
 
2012-12-14 02:00:56 PM  

imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.

For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.

Who gives a shiat about Windows RT?

I do. I like having good battery life.


Then you should think about a Nexus 7, an iPad, or a Transformer Prime, because the Surface's battery life is middling at best.
 
2012-12-14 02:50:13 PM  

HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.

For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.

Who gives a shiat about Windows RT?

I do. I like having good battery life.

Then you should think about a Nexus 7, an iPad, or a Transformer Prime, because the Surface's battery life is middling at best.


I have a Nexus 7. I'll likely get a Nexus 10. But the potential to have Windows -- and all the future apps that come with it -- on a tablet/laptop hybrid with Nexus-like battery life (surface itself is just one example, the ARM internals allows good battery life) is something I really want; without giving up the Google goodness.
 
2012-12-14 02:58:35 PM  

imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.

For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.

Who gives a shiat about Windows RT?

I do. I like having good battery life.

Then you should think about a Nexus 7, an iPad, or a Transformer Prime, because the Surface's battery life is middling at best.

I have a Nexus 7. I'll likely get a Nexus 10. But the potential to have Windows -- and all the future apps that come with it -- on a tablet/laptop hybrid with Nexus-like battery life (surface itself is just one example, the ARM internals allows good battery life) is something I really want; without giving up the Google goodness.


Windows RT is not Windows. Not only is it not compatible with all the Windows software that came before, for obvious reasons, but it's explicitly designed to not run any apps in Desktop mode except for IE and Office. Unless you really like Don't-Call-It-Metro Apps and MS's store, there's no point.
 
2012-12-14 03:15:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: HeartBurnKid: imgod2u: Also, things like notifications are long past-due for PC's. And those really only come from apps.

Perhaps, but you don't need a full-on gmail app for that.

For Windows RT you do. One could argue the notification program is an "app".

Besides, being able to click the notification and be brought to gmail -- or even better, being able to preview the message and filter the notifications based on sender, subject, search string, etc, all of which Jelly Bean on Android supports -- are very useful features that are long overdue for PC's. Especially if said PC's wants to go into a tablet form factor where -- to conserve battery -- it sleeps most of the time but still receives push notifications.

Who gives a shiat about Windows RT?

I do. I like having good battery life.

Then you should think about a Nexus 7, an iPad, or a Transformer Prime, because the Surface's battery life is middling at best.

I have a Nexus 7. I'll likely get a Nexus 10. But the potential to have Windows -- and all the future apps that come with it -- on a tablet/laptop hybrid with Nexus-like battery life (surface itself is just one example, the ARM internals allows good battery life) is something I really want; without giving up the Google goodness.

Windows RT is not Windows. Not only is it not compatible with all the Windows software that came before, for obvious reasons, but it's explicitly designed to not run any apps in Desktop mode except for IE and Office. Unless you really like Don't-Call-It-Metro Apps and MS's store, there's no point.


Incorrect. It can run any app in desktop mode that has been made for Windows 8. In Microsoft's development suite, that is the default now. You don't necessarily have to have a metro UI but it's strongly recommended.

The limitation with RT isn't that apps can't run in desktop mode, it's that it has to be installed via the app store instead of an executable. That's a bit stupid on Microsoft's part but that doesn't mean they can't make developers do it for future applications.
 
2012-12-14 03:20:34 PM  

imgod2u: Incorrect. It can run any app in desktop mode that has been made for Windows 8. In Microsoft's development suite, that is the default now. You don't necessarily have to have a metro UI but it's strongly recommended.


Can you give me a citation on that? Because every review I've read says otherwise, including these ones from Ars Technica and Anandtech, and apparently Mozilla is also under the impression that they are not allowed to develop for Windows RT's desktop mode.
 
2012-12-14 05:22:09 PM  
I have been running win8 in VM for testing purposes. So far I am unimpressed. It feels like it should be called Windows 7.5 with a "new and improved!" shiatty interface. While it is not Vista or ME bad, I still recommend not upgrading from 7 to my customers because it is not worth the cost. Not to mention the headache of an end user relearning how to use their system. That is just asking for lost productivity
 
2012-12-16 04:12:13 AM  

ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]

Why not add video game consoles in there too? Throw in smart TVs while you're at it. How about network gear? How are we arbitrarily defining "computer" this time around? Any digital device that performs math? Any consumer electronics device with a UI? Anything that can run a web-browser?


You have me wanting to know your definition. Mind sharing?
 
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