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(Engadget)   Google: "We don't want to make any applications for the operating system that will be on the lion's share of new desktops sold in the next year"   (engadget.com) divider line 95
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2012-12-13 02:11:57 PM
Why would they? I use the Gmail app on my android phone because webmail is a pain in the ass on mobile, but I haven't used an actual mail app for personal mail in forever - not counting work, and I can't see any businesses turning away from Lotus or Outlook
 
2012-12-13 02:14:16 PM
Likewise, I don't understand why they would need to make specific apps for Windows 8...
 
2012-12-13 02:18:45 PM
Totally. All the IT guys are lining up around the block to set up Win8, just like how everyone adopted Vista wholly.
 
2012-12-13 03:32:57 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Likewise, I don't understand why they would need to make specific apps for Windows 8...


No joke. All Google services are accessible via webpages on desktop machines. Platform-specific apps would be pretty redundant.
 
2012-12-13 03:33:23 PM
"Likewise, I don't understand why they would need to make specific apps for Windows 8..."


Who cares more opportunity for the rest of us to make a few bucks.


/I'd already be in there with an Arduino refrence app
//Course the "free" tools fail to install
///love those .net dependencies MS!
 
2012-12-13 03:33:24 PM
Why should they? Pretty much anything you need from google on a pc can be accessed through Chrome or IE...
 
2012-12-13 03:36:48 PM

metallion: Why should they? Pretty much anything you need from google on a pc can be accessed through Chrome or IE...


This. The only reason to make a "Windows 8 app" is for the ARM-based WinRT tablets.
 
2012-12-13 03:40:13 PM

russlar: metallion: Why should they? Pretty much anything you need from google on a pc can be accessed through Chrome or IE...

This. The only reason to make a "Windows 8 app" is for the ARM-based WinRT tablets.


Those aren't likely to stick around.
 
2012-12-13 03:40:52 PM
Since all previous versions run on real windows 8 anyway, the only thing this effects is ARM stuff, which in my experience usually ports ok (usable but somewhat unstable/and or certain extended features don't work) from the droid/chrome based version anyway.

It also goes a decent way to making MS look bad when they don't have the program base to compete in the tablet market.
 
2012-12-13 03:53:40 PM
Also subby, you might want to look at how the supply chain is doing at the moment..

The bottom has fallen out of the market...no one wants windows 8, no one wants laptops/desktops with windows 8.

So whilst it will be the majority of pc's, that number is going to be a damn sight smaller than the last decade..
 
2012-12-13 04:06:36 PM
Were I to be in the market for a new computer and Windows 8 was the only option, the first thing I'd do is wipe the drive and put Win 7 ultimate on it with my TechNet subscription.
 
2012-12-13 04:07:48 PM
Windows 8 is shiat, why would Google want to move forward with enticing people towards a terrible operating system? Why would google pay MS for "Windows 8 certified" stickers on crap. MS can make an OS compatible with existing 64 bit software for the old platform... non-retro-compliant OS issues should be pinned on the people making the crappy OS.
 
2012-12-13 04:08:07 PM
Google Chrome -> Control Button -> Tools -> Create Application Shortcuts.

App Done. Am I missing something here?
 
2012-12-13 04:09:27 PM

moel: Also subby, you might want to look at how the supply chain is doing at the moment..

The bottom has fallen out of the market...no one wants windows 8, no one wants laptops/desktops with windows 8.

So whilst it will be the majority of pc's, that number is going to be a damn sight smaller than the last decade..



Pretty much this.  I understand most pc buyers aren't savvy, and figure- on their own- that whatever the latest version of Windows is, thats what they want.  But don't forget, most pc buyers also ask savvy pc users what to look for.
 
I've told at least 3 people "no matter what, avoid Windows 8."
 
2012-12-13 04:13:39 PM
I really don't get all the Win8 hatred. IT admin wise, it makes refreshing / restoring a PC *hella* easy, and the fact that I can put my full Win8 pc on a usb stick and have it work on any machine, even automatically installing drivers, is brilliant.

Users don't need a start button or menu.
 
2012-12-13 04:14:21 PM
It will likely be the most shipped OS next year, but it won't even come close to matching Windows 7 for user totals, hell it will probably take years to catch up to Windows XP. And I would bet that most Google programs run fine on Windows 8 anyways being browser based and all.
 
2012-12-13 04:20:06 PM

Lexx: I really don't get all the Win8 hatred. IT admin wise, it makes refreshing / restoring a PC *hella* easy, and the fact that I can put my full Win8 pc on a usb stick and have it work on any machine, even automatically installing drivers, is brilliant.

Users don't need a start button or menu.


It's overblown crap like most peoples' frothing hatred of anything in technology is.
 
2012-12-13 04:20:07 PM
Hey look, another thread where people who don't have Windows 8 biatch about Windows 8.
 
2012-12-13 04:21:26 PM
I've got a desktop with Win8 on it. I've had no problems. It just took a bit of getting used to is all.
 
2012-12-13 04:28:36 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Hey look, another thread where people who don't have Windows 8 biatch about Windows 8.


Some of us tested it before release and didn't like it.

/biggest pos we tested at the office
//we might still install it on some computer labs
 
2012-12-13 04:38:42 PM

Lexx: Users don't need a start button or menu.


It's not that they *need* it, it's that getting used to an OS that works significantly differently to the previous edition of that OS is a completely pointless hassle. It's like if the next version of Linux required you to use a Dvorak keyboard - sure, you can get used to it and it might even be slightly better once you do, but who wants to deal with that shiat?
 
2012-12-13 04:42:24 PM
Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-13 04:42:48 PM
"Oh no! I won't be able to have a huge icon on my Win8 Start menu telling me the number of unopened items I have in my GMail! Whatever will I do!"

"Check your GMail the same way you've been doing it for the past decade, by using your browser?"

"LUDDITE! Embrace the future, for reasons that aren't entirely clear but are most certainly valid!"
 
2012-12-13 04:43:30 PM
"If you're eager to load up a Windows Phone or Windows 8 PC with dedicated Gmail or Google Drive apps, it's time you ease up on the anticipation, as Mountain View isn't bent on bringing apps to the platforms thanks to a lack of interest."

If you're eager to do anything with Win8, you need a swift kick to the head... It's initials even tell you so: W8 for a better OS!
 
2012-12-13 04:44:03 PM

downstairs: I've told at least 3 people "no matter what, avoid Windows 8."


Popcorn Johnny: Hey look, another thread where people who don't have Windows 8 biatch about Windows 8.


I just bought an ultrabook with Windows 8 on it last night.

A touch screen makes the paradigm actually make sense - I couldn't imagine only using Windows 8 with a mouse/keyboard. (Weirdly, people's proclamations that people don't want laptops with touchscreens makes me think that they've never tried it. I might not want a desktop with a touchscreen, but a 13" laptop - its actually awesome)

The odd thing though is that there are a lot of legacy parts to Windows 8 that make me feel like the OS is only half finished.

For example: the display options (and for that matter 80% of the control panel) are all located in the traditional windows control panel. The remaining 20% options are in a nice touch-friendly settings application that I can access through the Metro interface. It confuses me as to why they didn't go the extra mile to just convert everything.

Also, I'm having to re-learn a lot of basic commands. Closing windows, accessing the program settings, and accessing the system settings are a few examples of this. Gestures are another. I only figured out how to close a program from watching some guy give an ultrabook review on Youtube.

The bugs are also somewhat of a pain. Some of it is hardware driver related, the others are windows based. Why, when in portrait mode, can't I bring up the keyboard to log in if the damn thing is locked? It comes up and get dismissed in the same instant.

But still, I have to say, when I was using it for the first time last night, my first thought was "Apple better get their act together, people are coming to eat their cake."

I'll be able to better speak about it in a few months when I put this thing through its paces.

Kuroshin: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Likewise, I don't understand why they would need to make specific apps for Windows 8...

No joke. All Google services are accessible via webpages on desktop machines. Platform-specific apps would be pretty redundant.


^Partially this

But also, Google's business is to push users towards web services where they can either sell advertising or sell aggregated data on user behavior. The only reason for them to make apps for smartphone OS is that for the most part, smartphone OS' restrict accessing the juicy bits of data that Google wants to get their hands on - and have to use native APIs to get at them through the OS' security layer (location data, usage data, hardware data, browsing habits, cross referencing habits, etc).

Making a OS-dependent application in order to access data that they can already get to doesn't make sense.

/For now, of course
 
2012-12-13 04:45:36 PM
It may be on the majority of next year's PCs but when they don't sell, does it really matter?
 
2012-12-13 04:47:31 PM

Dinobot: Some of us tested it before release and didn't like it.


I have it on my PC and it's not a damn bit different than Windows 7 unless I use the tiled start page. I still sometimes forget I even have it until my mouse wanders and I pull up the bar on the right side of the screen.
 
2012-12-13 04:52:47 PM
For those that don't understand what this means ... if they don't code for Win8 then their application will not play with the new tile interface.

You will need to go to the standard desktop that is hiding behind the tiles and launch it like normal.

If this interface succeeds on the PC then Google will change their tune. Until then they do not need to cater to Microsoft.
 
2012-12-13 04:53:11 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Hey look, another thread where people who don't have Windows 8 biatch about Windows 8.


I recently bought a computer with Win 8 on it.

It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.

/Returned it and swapped for a Win 7 computer.
//I still prefer XP due to some niggling minor issues with 7, but I'll take 7 over 8 any damn day.
 
2012-12-13 04:55:09 PM
Windows 8 is better than 7, but all you fanbois who haven't tried it know better. I've heard it before. Know what you sound like? Old. OLD.
 
2012-12-13 04:56:23 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.


Oh bullshiat, it's the same farking thing as Windows 7 with the addition of a tiled start page.
 
2012-12-13 04:57:55 PM
Google's not really known for a large number of stand-alone desktop apps. I wouldn't expect them to have targeted anything at Windows 8.

Anyone with the desktop version (non-RT or whatever) will be able to run 'Windows version'.
Anyone with Windows-RT can run an HTML5 web-based version.

Kind of a non-story.
 
2012-12-13 04:58:21 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Fluorescent Testicle: It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.

Oh bullshiat, it's the same farking thing as Windows 7 with the addition of a tiled start page.


Nah, it's also faster than 7 and has some nifty new tools.
 
2012-12-13 05:03:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Fluorescent Testicle: It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.

Oh bullshiat, it's the same farking thing as Windows 7 with the addition of a tiled start page.



Ok, I'll trust you.  I've heard that a lot of software doesn't work perfectly with Windows 8.  Especially legacy stuff.
 
2012-12-13 05:05:14 PM

BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]


If phones and tablets could do everything PCs can in reality, you'd have a much stronger point.

/getting there
//but not there yet
 
2012-12-13 05:05:28 PM
I love the fact that I installed windows 8 on my HTPC attached to a 720p TV, and none of the 'Metro' apps will launch. Farking brilliant.
 
2012-12-13 05:05:28 PM

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: Fluorescent Testicle: It was bad. Vista-bad. ME-bad. I usually like Microsoft, but no, this one is a farking flop.

Oh bullshiat, it's the same farking thing as Windows 7 with the addition of a tiled start page.

Nah, it's also faster than 7 and has some nifty new tools.



I'd be interested in what new tools are most appealing/useful.  Serious question, no snark.
 
The tiled interface I have zero use for, but I guess you can turn that off.
 
Open question to anyone using Win 8.
 
2012-12-13 05:08:45 PM

downstairs: Ok, I'll trust you.  I've heard that a lot of software doesn't work perfectly with Windows 8.  Especially legacy stuff.


I haven't had any problems so far.
 
2012-12-13 05:12:32 PM

Telos: BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]

If phones and tablets could do everything PCs can in reality, you'd have a much stronger point.

/getting there
//but not there yet


If Microsoft hadn't just given Windows a Smart Phone interface, you'd have a much stronger point as well. dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-13 05:20:03 PM

ghare: Windows 8 is better than 7, but all you fanbois who haven't tried it know better. I've heard it before. Know what you sound like? Old. OLD.


Windows 8 is no Vista that's for sure. Vista had a buggy, rotten foundation at the start, however the GUI was what the end-user expected.

Windows 8 has the solid foundation of Windows 7, with some minor performance tweaks. Unfortunately that foundation is grafted on a partially re-written GUI that works OK if you've got a touchscreen/keyboard/mouse and can handle switching between two different desktop metaphors. It's the Pontiac Aztek of OS's.
 
2012-12-13 05:20:22 PM

BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]


Why not add video game consoles in there too? Throw in smart TVs while you're at it. How about network gear? How are we arbitrarily defining "computer" this time around? Any digital device that performs math? Any consumer electronics device with a UI? Anything that can run a web-browser?
 
2012-12-13 05:20:48 PM
i hate Win8 because it's hip to
 
2012-12-13 05:26:16 PM
I'm not sure why you would need a Windows 8 app for Gmail anyway. The native mail client on Windows 8 supports Gmail, and that way you get the benefits of live tiles. I'd have to double check, but I believe the native Windows 8 Calendar and People apps also integrates with the Google calendar and contacts.

If you prefer to install Outlook 2010 or the 2013 beta, then you can integrate Gmail through POP or IMPAP. Of course that doesn't give you live tile support, but that's an issue with office.

If you want Gmail by itself on the start screen, just pin a shortcut there. Granted that won't be a live tile, either, but it's a simple click.

So I'm not surprised there's no Gmail app for Windows 8. I don't recall one for Windows 7 so why start now?
 
2012-12-13 05:26:23 PM

ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]

Why not add video game consoles in there too? Throw in smart TVs while you're at it. How about network gear? How are we arbitrarily defining "computer" this time around? Any digital device that performs math? Any consumer electronics device with a UI? Anything that can run a web-browser?


You don't have to add any of those to see that both Apple and Google both have a larger share of the market than Microsoft does.
 
2012-12-13 05:29:09 PM
So much Neckbeard rage.

These were the same people screaming about how Windows 7 would be a huge failure.
 
2012-12-13 05:33:05 PM
I'll admit that Windows 8 is kind of a waste if your on a desktop or a regular laptop. Where it's going to shine is on the new "ultrabooks" that can be used as a tablet or a laptop.
 
2012-12-13 05:36:47 PM

BullBearMS: ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: Reality: When you stop pretending touch devices aren't computers, all versions of Windows combined only have a 20% marketshare.

[dl.dropbox.com image 850x520]

Why not add video game consoles in there too? Throw in smart TVs while you're at it. How about network gear? How are we arbitrarily defining "computer" this time around? Any digital device that performs math? Any consumer electronics device with a UI? Anything that can run a web-browser?

You don't have to add any of those to see that both Apple and Google both have a larger share of the market than Microsoft does.


... right, adding those would have the opposite effect as MS has shipped millions 360s which run a MS OS where as adding such things would boost Apple and Google by exactly 0. Then again, I guess you'd have to start counting the Apple TV.

The point is if you arbitrarily draw the line of "what is computer" you get different answers. It works the other way too. Apple and Google compete over the "mobile" market with MS in distant 3rd. Would it be reasonable to say, "well, laptops are portable, so actually MS has much larger market share than those other guy's numbers say."

So I'm asking you, the guy saying that we need to stop "pretending tablets and phones aren't computers" to define exactly what makes a computer so we can all judge exactly how much you want to skew numbers.
 
2012-12-13 05:52:34 PM

ProfessorOhki: So I'm asking you, the guy saying that we need to stop "pretending tablets and phones aren't computers" to define exactly what makes a computer so we can all judge exactly how much you want to skew numbers.


How about any device that is commonly used to run a word processor, spreadsheet, and/or database? Those are very traditional computer based tasks.
 
2012-12-13 05:55:51 PM
Everything Google's done that's been awesome or good (Gmail, Google search, Google docs, Google maps) and everything they've done that's OK (gchat, google video, a bunch of other crap that's now bundled into google+) function almost entirely through a web browser. In fact, the whole point of most of them is to be non-platform-specific.

Beyond porting Chrome to Windows 8, what 'apps' are we expecting them to develop for it? Desktop search maybe? We realize that integrated Windows search has been better than desktop search for years, right?
 
2012-12-13 05:57:10 PM

downstairs: The tiled interface I have zero use for, but I guess you can turn that off.


Nope...everytime you boot the machine its there....no turning TIFKAM off, otherwise how would MS batter you into submission with it....

...its like the tech equivalent of your 4 year old child tugging at your trousers and constantly asking for a furby this christmas..you know its going to be a farking nightmare but you will probably eventually give in
 
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