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(Washington Post)   Great Moments in Vetting: Intern for Sen. Bob Menendez (D-fuhggetaboutit) arrested and deported because he was an illegal alien-and a registered sex offender   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-12-13 11:39:27 AM  
Oh well, shiat happens.

Too bad we don't know what the sex offenses the 18-year-old Peruvian committed are. Could range from having sex with 17-year-old girl when he was 18 (like Bristol Palin) to something extreme.

Anyone got any dirt on this?
 
2012-12-13 11:47:28 AM  
I ran a recruiting company for a few years up until early 2012. We did some work for the state and were expected to do background checks on everyone as well as fill out the I-9. However, this is an unpaid intern. I have no idea what the hiring processes are for that.

The kid came from a college internship program. Who's supposed to do the checking--the college or the Senator's office? The knee-jerk reaction would be that the Senator's office should, but I can't imagine the number of interns they have every year, year after year. Combing through each one's info when they're going to be there for just a couple of months, fetching coffee, filing, & making copies, wouldn't be worth it. They probably do a cursory background check, which wouldn't reveal his sex offender status. I can't even imagine bothering to do a citizenship check. The kid came from the college--you'd figure it was done then.

Not excusing this, just trying to figure this out based on my (admittedly peripheral) involvement w/hiring for NJ state.
 
2012-12-13 11:49:57 AM  

AirForceVet: Oh well, shiat happens.

Too bad we don't know what the sex offenses the 18-year-old Peruvian committed are. Could range from having sex with 17-year-old girl when he was 18 (like Bristol Palin) to something extreme.

Anyone got any dirt on this?


The kid was 16 when he was registered but no info's come out. The records are sealed. I'm betting it was something innocuous, like having sex w/his 16-yo girlfriend or peeing in public. If it were more serious, the victim would have come forward by now, looking for a book deal.
 
2012-12-13 11:51:20 AM  
"There's no way we could know about his status," Menendez told MSNBC. "There's no way we could know about his background" as a sex offender, he added, because Sanchez was a juvenile when the offenses occured.

Sealed records?

brigid_fitch - do you know if a standard background check would include and/or open sealed records?

Just curious. We don't know if that was the situation here in any case.
 
2012-12-13 11:59:42 AM  

brigid_fitch: I ran a recruiting company for a few years up until early 2012. We did some work for the state and were expected to do background checks on everyone as well as fill out the I-9. However, this is an unpaid intern. I have no idea what the hiring processes are for that.

The kid came from a college internship program. Who's supposed to do the checking--the college or the Senator's office? The knee-jerk reaction would be that the Senator's office should, but I can't imagine the number of interns they have every year, year after year. Combing through each one's info when they're going to be there for just a couple of months, fetching coffee, filing, & making copies, wouldn't be worth it. They probably do a cursory background check, which wouldn't reveal his sex offender status. I can't even imagine bothering to do a citizenship check. The kid came from the college--you'd figure it was done then.

Not excusing this, just trying to figure this out based on my (admittedly peripheral) involvement w/hiring for NJ state.


Generally it's expected that the college do that since the Senator's office is basically doing them a favor by taking the intern and if they make it too much of a hassle they just won't bother. Still given the security on capitol Hill I'm suprised the Capitol police don't at least do a SS# check or FBI name check before issuing the kid an access badge. Hell You can't even get into the Treasury building for a meeting without the US Secret Service checking you out via SS# and DOB
 
2012-12-13 12:07:35 PM  

Diogenes: "There's no way we could know about his status," Menendez told MSNBC. "There's no way we could know about his background" as a sex offender, he added, because Sanchez was a juvenile when the offenses occured.

Sealed records?

brigid_fitch - do you know if a standard background check would include and/or open sealed records?

Just curious. We don't know if that was the situation here in any case.


I read somewhere that they were sealed (I forget the source & can't check right now, sorry).

I never came across any sealed records personally but I do know that if they showed up, we were supposed to ignore them. If they're sealed, they shouldn't count. Even if the applicant told us he was arrested before but the record was sealed, it would still count as having no arrests.
 
2012-12-13 12:08:57 PM  

brigid_fitch: Diogenes: "There's no way we could know about his status," Menendez told MSNBC. "There's no way we could know about his background" as a sex offender, he added, because Sanchez was a juvenile when the offenses occured.

Sealed records?

brigid_fitch - do you know if a standard background check would include and/or open sealed records?

Just curious. We don't know if that was the situation here in any case.

I read somewhere that they were sealed (I forget the source & can't check right now, sorry).

I never came across any sealed records personally but I do know that if they showed up, we were supposed to ignore them. If they're sealed, they shouldn't count. Even if the applicant told us he was arrested before but the record was sealed, it would still count as having no arrests.


Oh, and you can't open sealed records without a crazy high-level check, usually involving Federal levels.
 
2012-12-13 12:31:56 PM  

AirForceVet: having sex with 17-year-old girl when he was 18



Statutory rape is a little more complicated than that. There needs to be a certain amount of age difference also.
 
2012-12-13 12:35:44 PM  
www.nobodygoeshere.com
 
2012-12-13 12:36:27 PM  

brigid_fitch: Diogenes: "There's no way we could know about his status," Menendez told MSNBC. "There's no way we could know about his background" as a sex offender, he added, because Sanchez was a juvenile when the offenses occured.

Sealed records?

brigid_fitch - do you know if a standard background check would include and/or open sealed records?

Just curious. We don't know if that was the situation here in any case.

I read somewhere that they were sealed (I forget the source & can't check right now, sorry).

I never came across any sealed records personally but I do know that if they showed up, we were supposed to ignore them. If they're sealed, they shouldn't count. Even if the applicant told us he was arrested before but the record was sealed, it would still count as having no arrests.


I heard this yesterday when they interviewed the Senator. His records were sealed because he was a minor when he was convicted, so there's no way they could have found out.
 
2012-12-13 12:36:45 PM  
He was here on a visitor's visa- he was only 'illegal' because it had expired. How did he get in if he's a registered sex offender?
 
2012-12-13 12:36:59 PM  

Rich Cream: AirForceVet: having sex with 17-year-old girl when he was 18


Statutory rape is a little more complicated than that. There needs to be a certain amount of age difference also.


Do we know if he's on our SO list or Peru's? Could be their laws are different.

// I hear they also don't celebrate July 4th
 
2012-12-13 12:37:49 PM  
They were told not to do anything about this until after the election
 
2012-12-13 12:37:50 PM  
The one time ICE does their job, it's when an illegal is working to learn something about America and become someone. You can be categorized as a sex offender for taking a leak on the side of the road, so I don't think that carries as much relevance.
 
2012-12-13 12:38:15 PM  
I have a feeling it's something stupid and this is just getting blown out of proportion with the whole sex offender thing
 
2012-12-13 12:40:02 PM  
another WP neocon piece.
must be a day that ends in "Y"
 
2012-12-13 12:42:02 PM  

utahraptor2: The one time ICE does their job, it's when an illegal is working to learn something about America and become someone. You can be categorized as a sex offender for taking a leak on the side of the road, so I don't think that carries as much relevance.


You can also be categorized as a sex offender by raping someone. Which happens more often than being categorized because of peeing on the street
So wtf is your point?
 
2012-12-13 12:46:49 PM  
GOP: Do you want Obama to come out and condemn this before it's known what the sex offense was (so that you can later cry "SCANDAL!" when it turns out that the offense wasn't what it was originally characterized to be)?
 
2012-12-13 12:48:01 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: utahraptor2: The one time ICE does their job, it's when an illegal is working to learn something about America and become someone. You can be categorized as a sex offender for taking a leak on the side of the road, so I don't think that carries as much relevance.

You can also be categorized as a sex offender by raping someone. Which happens more often than being categorized because of peeing on the street
So wtf is your point?


The sex offender registry is an ineffective and useless preventative measure. It's in the spirit of Judeo-Christian vindictiveness, and it's used as a tool to create fear and divisiveness.
 
2012-12-13 12:49:00 PM  

brigid_fitch: unpaid intern


Part of me wants that phrase to be illegal.
 
2012-12-13 12:56:39 PM  
Foreign Nationals shouldn't be allowed in Congress in the first place
 
2012-12-13 12:58:07 PM  

brigid_fitch: brigid_fitch: Diogenes: "There's no way we could know about his status," Menendez told MSNBC. "There's no way we could know about his background" as a sex offender, he added, because Sanchez was a juvenile when the offenses occured.

Sealed records?

brigid_fitch - do you know if a standard background check would include and/or open sealed records?

.....

Oh, and you can't open sealed records without a crazy high-level check, usually involving Federal levels.


I am not sure what it takes to open sealed records. But this guy help to elect Obama .

On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans' divorce records should be opened to the public,....


Subsequent to his withdrawal from the U.S. Senate race in Illinois, Jack Ryan has characterized what happened to him as a "new low for politics in America".[17] According to Ryan, it was unprecedented in American politics for a newspaper to sue for access to sealed custody documents.

Ryan opposed unsealing the divorce records of Senator John Kerry during Kerry's race against George W. Bush in 2004, and Kerry's divorce records remained sealed. Ryan has made the following request: "let me be the only person this has happened to. Don't ask for Ted Kennedy's. Don't ask for John McCain's. Don't ask for Joe Lieberman's. Just stop. This is not a good precedent for American society if you really want the best and brightest to run.
 
2012-12-13 12:59:07 PM  

Hobodeluxe: another WP neocon piece.
must be a day that ends in "Y"


I don't see this article as being that biased either way. It's news if an illegal alien is found to be working in a senator's office, regardless of the senator's political party.

It does bother me that ALL of the media outlets keep harping about the "DHS told ICE not to move until after the election" thing that's not only been unconfirmed but repeatedly denied. Plus, it doesn't make sense to wait over a MONTH after the election, even if it were true. Why not do it on the Nov. 7th? Or maybe the day after Thanksgiving when nobody's working? It could have even slipped under the radar if they did it then.
 
2012-12-13 01:02:40 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: They were told not to do anything about this until after the election


I'm gonna farkie you as "takes the word of anonymous sources as gospel truth". I wonder how that will hold up over time.
 
2012-12-13 01:05:58 PM  
Really is embarrassing how poorly these offices are run. I am not sure what sort of salaries these folks pull down but my HR would have never let this slip. You don't set foot in our office without a background check.
 
2012-12-13 01:06:54 PM  

theknuckler_33: tenpoundsofcheese: They were told not to do anything about this until after the election

I'm gonna farkie you as "takes the word of anonymous sources as gospel truth". I wonder how that will hold up over time.


That's probably the most generous description you could have given him.
 
2012-12-13 01:08:38 PM  
He was mistaken for an illegal sex offender and a registered alien.
 
2012-12-13 01:09:28 PM  
Holy crap, this Sen. Menendez was personally involved in hiring someone entered the country illegally and had an easily obtainable record of sex offense(s)? That is absolutely outrageous.

Oh wait, the guy wasn't hired by Menendez but rather someone else? Still, when you're hiring a worker you should be incredibly thorough about this shiat. I mean you're paying them money and all, so you should need to see all of their forms in order to pay them, right?

Oh wait, the guy was working for free as an intern and not paid at all so there was no need to see all of his documentation? Still, probably a good idea to pop up a real quick background check, that would let them know he entered the country illegally and was a sex offender.

Oh wait, the guy just had an expired visa? Still, they should have known about the sex offenses.

Oh wait, those crimes were committed while he was underage and thus in juvenile court his records are not available? Well this is still outrageous, gimme a sec I'll figure out why.
 
2012-12-13 01:11:43 PM  

theknuckler_33: tenpoundsofcheese: They were told not to do anything about this until after the election

I'm gonna farkie you as "takes the word of anonymous sources as gospel truth". I wonder how that will hold up over time.


That's not fair at all!

He only takes them as gospel if they agree with his derp.
 
2012-12-13 01:12:12 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: theknuckler_33: tenpoundsofcheese: They were told not to do anything about this until after the election

I'm gonna farkie you as "takes the word of anonymous sources as gospel truth". I wonder how that will hold up over time.

That's probably the most generous description you could have given him.


Well, it IS the season of giving.
 
2012-12-13 01:15:37 PM  

theknuckler_33: tenpoundsofcheese: They were told not to do anything about this until after the election

I'm gonna farkie you as "takes the word of anonymous sources as gospel truth". I wonder how that will hold up over time.


Never mind that Menendez won by 19 points. Not like this would have made that kind of difference.
 
2012-12-13 01:22:58 PM  

lennavan: Holy crap, this Sen. Menendez was personally involved in hiring someone entered the country illegally and had an easily obtainable record of sex offense(s)? That is absolutely outrageous.

Oh wait, the guy wasn't hired by Menendez but rather someone else? Still, when you're hiring a worker you should be incredibly thorough about this shiat. I mean you're paying them money and all, so you should need to see all of their forms in order to pay them, right?

Oh wait, the guy was working for free as an intern and not paid at all so there was no need to see all of his documentation? Still, probably a good idea to pop up a real quick background check, that would let them know he entered the country illegally and was a sex offender.

Oh wait, the guy just had an expired visa? Still, they should have known about the sex offenses.

Oh wait, those crimes were committed while he was underage and thus in juvenile court his records are not available? Well this is still outrageous, gimme a sec I'll figure out why.


Easy, the Senator is s Democrat.
 
2012-12-13 01:24:05 PM  
The Homeland Security Department disputes the AP's report that the arrest was delayed until after the election.

Dammit, had I known this, instead of voting for Obama whose party allows members to hire undocumented aliens, I would have voted for Romney...who hires them directly and employs them to work in his home.
 
2012-12-13 01:25:21 PM  

utahraptor2: The one time ICE does their job, it's when an illegal is working to learn something about America and become someone. You can be categorized as a sex offender for taking a leak on the side of the road, so I don't think that carries as much relevance.


I'd think someone would have checked the guy's immigration status at some point during whatever processing led to him being put on the registry. That's the main relevance I see: not so much that that he's on it or how he got there, but that he somehow managed to not get deported while being registered.
 
2012-12-13 01:26:32 PM  

Job Creator: theknuckler_33: tenpoundsofcheese: They were told not to do anything about this until after the election

I'm gonna farkie you as "takes the word of anonymous sources as gospel truth". I wonder how that will hold up over time.

Never mind that Menendez won by 19 points. Not like this would have made that kind of difference.


Oh, I'm sure he wasn't implying that it would have swung the election, but rather how this shows ZER0bama's arrogance and 'god complex' by ruling unilaterally and without consequence.
 
2012-12-13 01:27:12 PM  

theknuckler_33: tenpoundsofcheese: They were told not to do anything about this until after the election

I'm gonna farkie you as "takes the word of anonymous sources as gospel truth". I wonder how that will hold up over time.


You are funny.
I tried that line once too about "anonymous sources".
You will criticized by people here saying things like "investigative journalism" or "of course they aren't going to publish their sources", etc. Oh wait, you won't be because this is about a democrat.
 
2012-12-13 01:29:55 PM  

Millennium: utahraptor2: The one time ICE does their job, it's when an illegal is working to learn something about America and become someone. You can be categorized as a sex offender for taking a leak on the side of the road, so I don't think that carries as much relevance.

I'd think someone would have checked the guy's immigration status at some point during whatever processing led to him being put on the registry. That's the main relevance I see: not so much that that he's on it or how he got there, but that he somehow managed to not get deported while being registered.


I also think that's the weird part. If he committed his crimes while the visa was still in force, it should have been revoked and he should have been deported. If he had committed his crimes after the visa had expired, he should have been deported.

What I also don't get is why someone with an expired visa would go anywhere near a US federal Senator's office, much less intern for one.
 
2012-12-13 01:30:24 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Rich Cream: AirForceVet: having sex with 17-year-old girl when he was 18


Statutory rape is a little more complicated than that. There needs to be a certain amount of age difference also.

Do we know if he's on our SO list or Peru's? Could be their laws are different.

// I hear they also don't celebrate July 4th



Why would you think Peru even has a SO list? Especially when you note they don't follow our system of holidays. 

/suddenly we respect the legal rulings of other countries?
 
2012-12-13 01:30:35 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The Homeland Security Department disputes the AP's report that the arrest was delayed until after the election.



whoa, really?
They actually denied it. What a surprise.

I will tag you as someone who takes everything the government says as gospel.
 
2012-12-13 01:30:36 PM  

Millennium: I'd think someone would have checked the guy's immigration status at some point during whatever processing led to him being put on the registry. That's the main relevance I see: not so much that that he's on it or how he got there, but that he somehow managed to not get deported while being registered.


FTFA - who entered the country on a now-expired visitor visa from Peru

Seems to me the most likely explanation was his visa was valid at the time.
 
2012-12-13 01:34:01 PM  

lennavan: Holy crap, this Sen. Menendez was personally involved in hiring someone entered the country illegally and had an easily obtainable record of sex offense(s)? That is absolutely outrageous.

Oh wait, the guy wasn't hired by Menendez but rather someone else? Still, when you're hiring a worker you should be incredibly thorough about this shiat. I mean you're paying them money and all, so you should need to see all of their forms in order to pay them, right?

Oh wait, the guy was working for free as an intern and not paid at all so there was no need to see all of his documentation? Still, probably a good idea to pop up a real quick background check, that would let them know he entered the country illegally and was a sex offender.

Oh wait, the guy just had an expired visa? Still, they should have known about the sex offenses.

Oh wait, those crimes were committed while he was underage and thus in juvenile court his records are not available? Well this is still outrageous, gimme a sec I'll figure out why.


he worked for a Democrat that's why
 
2012-12-13 01:34:26 PM  

lennavan: Millennium: I'd think someone would have checked the guy's immigration status at some point during whatever processing led to him being put on the registry. That's the main relevance I see: not so much that that he's on it or how he got there, but that he somehow managed to not get deported while being registered.

FTFA - who entered the country on a now-expired visitor visa from Peru

Seems to me the most likely explanation was his visa was valid at the time.


I would like to think that crimes of the sort that put you on a sex offender registry are crimes that would get your visa revoked.
 
2012-12-13 01:34:47 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: You will criticized by people here


No, YOU will criticized!
 
2012-12-13 01:39:54 PM  

qorkfiend: lennavan: Millennium: I'd think someone would have checked the guy's immigration status at some point during whatever processing led to him being put on the registry. That's the main relevance I see: not so much that that he's on it or how he got there, but that he somehow managed to not get deported while being registered.

FTFA - who entered the country on a now-expired visitor visa from Peru

Seems to me the most likely explanation was his visa was valid at the time.

I would like to think that crimes of the sort that put you on a sex offender registry are crimes that would get your visa revoked.


I agree, yet he wasn't. Made me think perhaps he just got busted having sex with his girlfriend or something.
 
2012-12-13 01:41:01 PM  

Rich Cream: Dr Dreidel: Rich Cream: AirForceVet: having sex with 17-year-old girl when he was 18


Statutory rape is a little more complicated than that. There needs to be a certain amount of age difference also.

Do we know if he's on our SO list or Peru's? Could be their laws are different.

// I hear they also don't celebrate July 4th


Why would you think Peru even has a SO list? Especially when you note they don't follow our system of holidays. 

/suddenly we respect the legal rulings of other countries?


That's what I'm asking. Do they have a list that he's on, or is he on one of ours? If he's on one of ours, how did no one catch that during whatever rudimentary background check they do?

// when it comes to thinking of the children, the media (and a significant portion of our federal legislature) will respect whatever damn fool thing is out there
 
2012-12-13 01:42:18 PM  
I am enjoying how this has become a partisan. Seems like both parties are capable of incredible screw-ups.
 
2012-12-13 01:44:44 PM  

monoski: I am enjoying how this has become a partisan. Seems like both parties are capable of incredible screw-ups.


This uncorroborated statement with no supporting evidence is really the only reason this has turned partisan: "The Homeland Security Department instructed federal agents not to arrest him until after Election Day, a U.S. official involved in the case told the AP."
 
2012-12-13 01:46:32 PM  

lennavan: qorkfiend: lennavan: Millennium: I'd think someone would have checked the guy's immigration status at some point during whatever processing led to him being put on the registry. That's the main relevance I see: not so much that that he's on it or how he got there, but that he somehow managed to not get deported while being registered.

FTFA - who entered the country on a now-expired visitor visa from Peru

Seems to me the most likely explanation was his visa was valid at the time.

I would like to think that crimes of the sort that put you on a sex offender registry are crimes that would get your visa revoked.

I agree, yet he wasn't. Made me think perhaps he just got busted having sex with his girlfriend or something.


Even then. "I know putting you on the sex offender registry is a tad ridiculous, but it's ok; you can keep your visa."

Maybe it's the different jurisdictions; sex crimes are state and visas/immigration is federal. I suppose it would make sense that whatever state court sentenced him doesn't have the power to revoke a federal visitor visa.
 
2012-12-13 01:49:22 PM  
Further undeniable proof that Democrates are horrible, immoral piles of subhuman garbage.
 
2012-12-13 01:57:17 PM  
Does this not cover two core "progressive" constituencies in one person-undocumented Democrat voter and convicted felon?
 
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