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(The Atlantic)   Startup car company builds car that "breaks the rules." Apparently, Rule Number One was don't build a car that looks like a shopping cart   (theatlantic.com) divider line 62
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2012-12-13 11:46:03 AM  
6 votes:
Great now sell that bad boy for around $5000, that would really disrupt the market.
2012-12-13 11:49:19 AM  
4 votes:
FTFA:"but that cost will go down significantly--to around $16,000--once the product gains sufficient market share to enable bulk manufacturing."

Sooo, I have $16k to spend on a car....why would I pick that one?
2012-12-13 10:31:19 AM  
4 votes:
Forget the side impact concern I'd like to know how he thinks it is capable of driving in "all weather". Anybody that lives anywhere with four distinct seasons has to look at that and wonder how it is going to handle any amount of snow. It doesn't tip over? Gee that's great! Can it handle a 3' snowdrift? Because that is my reality for at least half of the year.
2012-12-13 10:09:47 AM  
4 votes:

hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.


Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.
2012-12-13 12:30:51 PM  
3 votes:
What is the deal with these people who make these electric vehicles that almost all of them are the most unappealing things to look at? I often wonder if these people really intend to start a profitable business or are just milking grant money. $20,000 with the hope to lower that to $16,000 when I can buy a gasoline powered vehicle for half that. How much will my power bill go up to charge the vehicle, how long does it take to charge and how long before I have to replace the extremely expensive batteries? There are a lot of us who do not live in a big city with great public transportation and we don't buy a car because we desire one we buy it because we have to. Sure I could live in the city and not need a car, but I would find the $250,000 for 700sqf very wise nor would I enjoy riding the bus with all my groceries and let us not even talk about the 100% increase in crime I would gain would the city is surrounded by the scum of society. Yeah good luck with that buddy. You want to do something great where you can make a lot of money? Figure out a way to make a vehicle with a good appearance that gets 60 or more miles to the gallon and sells for under $5,000 until then pull your head out of your ass and stop believing the whole world is just like your city of San Francisco.
2012-12-13 11:51:02 AM  
3 votes:
Somewhere, Sir Clive Sinclair is amused by this.

i.imgur.com
2012-12-13 11:50:12 AM  
3 votes:
I'd prefer to have a car that doesn't need a gyroscope to keep from tipping over.
2012-12-13 11:48:06 AM  
3 votes:
Looks like a motorcycle with a cab on it.
2012-12-13 10:26:30 AM  
3 votes:

Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.


Having done over $6000.00 damage to a Jeep Wrangler, I was thinking of animal collisions

/deer, specifically
//frikkin deer
2012-12-13 09:56:29 AM  
3 votes:
"Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.
2012-12-13 09:52:35 AM  
3 votes:
In fact, the C-1 isn't really a car at all: It's officially classified as a motorcycle, but CEO Daniel Kim says that the vehicle resists classification.

"It's disrupting the automotive space," says Kim.


That kind of marketing-speak would scare me, even if I wanted one.
2012-12-13 02:12:22 PM  
2 votes:

Arkanaut: It's a tricycle.


It has two wheels. That's some trike!

litmotors.com
2012-12-13 12:30:46 PM  
2 votes:

Sticky Hands: maybe it's just me... but where would the average apartment dwelling city slicker charge an electric vehicle?
hell I have to leave my place to just vacuum my car.

image.made-in-china.com
2012-12-13 12:25:22 PM  
2 votes:
You know what I want to see? A workable, modular car design. If it's just you driving yourself, it's a light, driver-only dealie like this thing, or a tiny two-seater. Need to move a few people? Add on a backseat module. Need to haul some furniture? Connect the cargo module and make it a mini-pickup truck. A two-car family wouldn't even need two full cars with a system like that -- just two driving modules. They could connect the cargo or passenger module to whichever car needed it, but most of the time, they could get probably get by with just the driver modules.
2012-12-13 11:52:58 AM  
2 votes:
www.jeremyclarksonsucks.com
2012-12-13 11:52:51 AM  
2 votes:
I wonder how it handles in the snow.
2012-12-13 11:52:42 AM  
2 votes:
For $10,000 I'd seriously look at one. For $20,000 not so much.

For $20,000 you can have a Scion IQ, Fiat 500, or smart car + gas for several years.
2012-12-13 11:52:03 AM  
2 votes:
Welcome to 1982
Link

www.lostepcot.com
2012-12-13 11:49:55 AM  
2 votes:
I agree. The price of this thing will determine whether it goes anywhere.

20 thousand dollars?
--Nope. People will just buy a normal car.

5 thousand dollars?
--Well, hell. I just might consider it.

That's the trouble with these green technologies. Micro houses, smart cars...they all cost way too much. People would buy this stuff if the price reflected what they are getting upfront.
rpl
2012-12-13 11:49:33 AM  
2 votes:
farm2.static.flickr.com
2012-12-13 04:30:10 PM  
1 votes:

czetie: Cerebral Knievel: czetie: Tom_Slick: czetie: /I can't even tell whether you know you're confirming my point, or whether you genuinely call that "painless".

To me it was painless and I did it on a bike rather than a trike, it took 1 hour for the written test and 2 hours for the driving test including the inevitable wait times at the DMV, the written test was easy just having to learn hand signals rules of the road etc, and the driving test just made sure you could start, stop and turn left and right. I would think a modern trike would be even easier as you don't have to learn how to handle a bike.

Ah, so the answer is "both". You do think this counts as painless, while not realizing that you are confirming that it's not going to fly when the alternative is to sign-and-drive for a small car.

Here in Virginia at least, we have the motercycle driving and safety program put on by the DMV. So you take the class, which includes written instruction and road trials. They provide the bikes, or, you can bring your own.

I think it takes three weeks to complete, but after that you have your M class stamped on your license.

after that... you can legally operate any thing that is classified as a motorcycle.

I don't think any traffic cop would mess with you too much however if were operating an inclosed Delta trike as long as the vehicle was registered and tagged properly.
Virginia is also a Helmet state law...I guess if the cop wanted to be a REAL DICK, he could ticket you for operating a motorcycle with out a helmet inside of there as well.

Again: if the choice is "three week class"... or "not three week class"... I can tell you right now that this thing is not remotely compelling enough for the average car driver to go out and get his M endorsement. It's an obstacle, and this thing doesn't need more obstacles.

Persuade the DoT to define a class of vehicles that have different mechanical standards to regular cars (maybe defined by weight?) while allowing it to be driven o ...


I think in general we need some more license classifications, its kinda bullshiat that someone could take their test in a geo metro and then go drive a chevy suburban.
2012-12-13 04:28:15 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sorry my giant SUV bothers you... get over it. I need it for reasons that are not any of your farking business.

Absolutely! Reasons such as increase your nation's dependency on foreign interests, polluting the biosphere as much as possible for your children, all kinds of things.

/why yes, this is a pet peeve of mine
//we are a society of disgusting over-consumers IMHO
2012-12-13 02:17:36 PM  
1 votes:
Look at how this thing leans and tell me that a car owner will see it as a car and not a motorcycle

litmotors.com 

Also: Not sure you can pass the motorcycle driving test in that thing. Image doing the 'sharp turn at low speed' test! sure, it can do low speeds, but with that wheelbase you'd be lucky to stay inside the guidelines.
2012-12-13 01:46:46 PM  
1 votes:

theresnothinglft: A car that I own must be able to do a road trip of at least 400 miles.


You want to know what the future of electric cars is going to be, assuming the gasoline industry doesn't suppress it indefinitely? Highways that charge your car. Some electric cars are now able to receive power wirelessly from a pad that sits below the car without having to plug in to the wall. All roads need regular maintenance, obviously, so gradually, as they are torn up and repaved, we can lay charging strips at the center of each lane of a highway, or even just two lanes of each highway.

What this means: The effective range of the car only applies when you are on local roads -- as long as you stay on the highway, the range of your vehicle is indefinite. This would make electric cars the optimum choice for nearly everyone. It might mean tolls on highways for electric cars, but it would also mean pretty much never having to go out of your way to charge your vehicle.
2012-12-13 01:20:45 PM  
1 votes:
I might never understand the fetishization of cars. It's like buying a cool-looking hammer.
2012-12-13 12:55:01 PM  
1 votes:

jonny_q: St_Francis_P: That kind of marketing-speak would scare me, even if I wanted one.

It's a motorcycle so that it doesn't have to conform to any regulations for "cars". And this is fine... we need to be able to have innovations like this without someone claiming it doesn't meet all the standards for "cars", because, well, motorcycles are still legal and this is definitely not worse than one of those.


I understand why getting it certified as a motorcycle is an advantage from a manufacturing perspective, but it's a disaster from a marketing perspective. I have a driver's license. Everybody I know has a driver's license. I know exactly one person with a motorcycle license, and that's the retired guy across the street with the vanity Harley that he rides to go nowhere in particular on fine days when his wife shoos him out of the house.

Yes, I know, "the plural of anecdote yadayadayada". But realistically, if these things are supposed to appeal to the mass of drivers because they handle like a car, the first step to ownership cannot possibly be to require somebody to get a motorcycle license. It's just nonsensical.

Call me back when the DMV allows vehicles like this to be driven on a regular driver's license.
2012-12-13 12:53:33 PM  
1 votes:
ahem

www.leosgarage.com
2012-12-13 12:31:37 PM  
1 votes:
Renault Twizy please, with full doors and windows.

Link
2012-12-13 12:29:39 PM  
1 votes:

schrepjm: Does anyone else remember the Volkswagen GX3 concept? That was a 3 wheeled motorcycle/car I would have bought if it came to market.

Truth be told it was more of a "fun nice weather toy" vehicle and less of a "I guess some of us just care more about the environment" vehicle though.


i1151.photobucket.com
Morgan three-wheeler - available now for those with no fear of death and money to burn.
2012-12-13 12:24:38 PM  
1 votes:
I would prefer something like the Campagna T-Rex... yeah it's $50K... but couldn't it be made less expensive with a battery pack or small turbo diesel or even a non-high performance ice motor? Also won't tip over if the gyro shuts down... two wheels up front, one in the rear... still licensed as a motorcycle... low center of gravity...

upload.wikimedia.org
2012-12-13 12:17:49 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.

So do these, but it turns out the frame is an intergral roll cage, which makes them safer than conventional cars:
[thetalkingmirror.com image 640x480]


In many respects. But doesn't it depend on the metric and circumstances? The strongest roll cage in the world can't do anything about the fact that a vehicle weighing much less than another in a car-car impact is the one experiencing the bulk of the acceleration which increases occupant injury. Especially internal ones.
2012-12-13 12:13:44 PM  
1 votes:

Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.


So do these, but it turns out the frame is an intergral roll cage, which makes them safer than conventional cars:
thetalkingmirror.com
2012-12-13 12:12:21 PM  
1 votes:
200 miles on one charge? How can you get those kind of results without massive government funding???
2012-12-13 12:09:08 PM  
1 votes:

Sticky Hands: maybe it's just me... but where would the average apartment dwelling city slicker charge an electric vehicle?
hell I have to leave my place to just vacuum my car.


The grand idea is to turn every parking meter into a charging station.

static.davidreport.com
2012-12-13 12:07:20 PM  
1 votes:

doczoidberg: I agree. The price of this thing will determine whether it goes anywhere.

20 thousand dollars?
--Nope. People will just buy a normal car.

5 thousand dollars?
--Well, hell. I just might consider it.

That's the trouble with these green technologies. Micro houses, smart cars...they all cost way too much. People would buy this stuff if the price reflected what they are getting upfront.


I keep looking at the Kawasaki and Polaris big boy toys and think that would make a great bare bones commuter vehicle. Basically take a dune buggy, put a metal shell over the engine compartment, enclose the cab in fabric like the old Wranglers and put a small waterproof box in the back. A small turbocharged diesel engine ought to be able to take that around the block at 60+mpg with no problem.

Since it's all basically tube steel and fabric you could sell that for $4-5K each and make a killing.
2012-12-13 12:02:56 PM  
1 votes:

Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.


Well, deathtrap is a bit extreme. It's no more a deathtrap than a motorcycle or a scooter, at first glance. The "safety of a car" quote is mind boggling. That just seems unpossible.
2012-12-13 12:01:07 PM  
1 votes:
If only there were some other explanation for this, something other than marketing trends, like an economic cause ...


Like a generation realizing that it makes no sense to spend 22K on a two ton fashion accessory, and that it's best to figure out how to get from A to B in the most economical way instead?

Even if you get an iPhone out of vanity, that's $600 of vanity. But a car? Who's the frivolous one here? The youngsters with their fancy phones or the old fartes?
2012-12-13 12:00:53 PM  
1 votes:
If it can't tow 20,000 lbs. up a 7% grade on gravel during a blizzard, then fat chance ever selling a single one, amirite?

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2012-12-13 12:00:45 PM  
1 votes:
According to Kim, it's a concept whose time has come. Today's youths are less interested in buying cars than they are in buying iPhones and other gadgets: Car ownership among people between ages 18 and 34 is down by 30 percent in the last five years.

It's cute when urban people, particularly those who live in high density mass transit areas, try to apply urban sensibilities to things going on outside the city limits.

All my younger nieces and nephews want a CAR when they get a bit older. They may also want an iPhone, but they want their own means of transportation and they don't want one that is a glorified Vespa. If car ownership is down, it is because so are employment rate among teens, while insurance rates continue ever upward.
2012-12-13 12:00:38 PM  
1 votes:

pastorkius: The type of revolutionary design that will turn the world upside down!
[i.imgur.com image 468x286] 

Couldn't link to an upside down Robin pic... all the sites hosting them were websensed.


Yeah, Dyson did it right. He put a tadpole design in... two wheels up front, single rear wheel, rear steering. The problem with a single wheel up front is your cornering force leans more on the front wheel, since it's leading and the act of turning is technically braking in the forward direction and accelerating in a tangential direction. Braking shifts load forward, and now your forward-shifted load is leaning to one side... where there is no wheel.
2012-12-13 11:59:14 AM  
1 votes:
Put me on the list of people who had to stop at "automotive space". Ugh.
2012-12-13 11:55:58 AM  
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness:
Hell if I know you could buy dam near any sub-compact in the market for $16k and probably get better gas mileage, certainly more range.


The car is electric, so no gas. goes 200miles on a full charge
2012-12-13 11:54:55 AM  
1 votes:

RTOGUY: Forget the side impact concern I'd like to know how he thinks it is capable of driving in "all weather". Anybody that lives anywhere with four distinct seasons has to look at that and wonder how it is going to handle any amount of snow. It doesn't tip over? Gee that's great! Can it handle a 3' snowdrift? Because that is my reality for at least half of the year.


Not every car is going to be ideal for every climate.

It'd be like buying a mustang or crossfire if you live up north and thinking it will work as a daily commuter all year. This is for people that are in cities where parking is tight, commutes are short, and roads are cleared on the rare chance they do get snow.
2012-12-13 11:54:24 AM  
1 votes:
Not a bad concept, but I'd let the early adopters take a go at it first. If it lives up to the hype and survives the lawsuits, I won't laugh at them anymore.
2012-12-13 11:54:23 AM  
1 votes:
http://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/goldman-sachs-progress/archive/ 2012/12/lit-motors-builds-a-car-that-b reaks-the-rules/265768/?oref=goldman-ob

plug?
2012-12-13 11:53:25 AM  
1 votes:
We've got quite a few people here where I live that drive tiny, tin-can deathtraps like this. One good smash on the driver's side door, the hood or anywhere else and you're toast.
2012-12-13 11:53:00 AM  
1 votes:
Completely Original. Yep.

www.blogcdn.com
imgace.com
2012-12-13 11:52:46 AM  
1 votes:
"New" idea, "breaks the rules" that's "disrupting the automotive space:"

bikeweb.com
2012-12-13 11:52:07 AM  
1 votes:
I'm not sure I really see the appeal over a regular motorcycle.
2012-12-13 11:51:50 AM  
1 votes:
cdn.theatlantic.com

goodiesfirst.typepad.com
2012-12-13 11:50:49 AM  
1 votes:
Startup car company builds car that "breaks the rules." Apparently, Rule Number One was don't build a car that looks like a shopping go cart

FTFS
2012-12-13 11:50:26 AM  
1 votes:
Yeah, well one rule they shouldn't break: you put two wheels in the FRONT of the car. Handling, braking, and stability are improved.
2012-12-13 11:50:18 AM  
1 votes:

Spanky_McFarksalot: FTFA:"but that cost will go down significantly--to around $16,000--once the product gains sufficient market share to enable bulk manufacturing."

Sooo, I have $16k to spend on a car....why would I pick that one?


Hell if I know you could buy dam near any sub-compact in the market for $16k and probably get better gas mileage, certainly more range.
2012-12-13 11:50:02 AM  
1 votes:
Oh look, yet another asshole who slapped some side panels on a motorcycle and thinks it's as good as a real car.

Go back to Europe!
2012-12-13 11:49:45 AM  
1 votes:
onscreencars.com

/broke the rules first
2012-12-13 11:49:23 AM  
1 votes:

kmmontandon: FTA: Today's youths are less interested in buying cars than they are in buying iPhones and other gadgets: Car ownership among people between ages 18 and 34 is down by 30 percent in the last five years.


If only there were some other explanation for this, something other than marketing trends, like an economic cause ...

This thing is definitely a solution in search of a problem. I'm sure it'll be just as successful as the Segway, and for all the same reasons.


You mean like people 18-34 being saddled with tens of thousands of dollars of debt if they went to a state school and hundreds of thousands if they went to top tier school for their Bachelors degrees?
2012-12-13 11:48:43 AM  
1 votes:
Lit Motors

Yes, yes they were.
2012-12-13 11:47:36 AM  
1 votes:
Startup car company builds car that "breaks the rules." Looks like a trike with some kind of shell bolted to it. 
2012-12-13 11:46:48 AM  
1 votes:
FTA: Today's youths are less interested in buying cars than they are in buying iPhones and other gadgets: Car ownership among people between ages 18 and 34 is down by 30 percent in the last five years.


If only there were some other explanation for this, something other than marketing trends, like an economic cause ...

This thing is definitely a solution in search of a problem. I'm sure it'll be just as successful as the Segway, and for all the same reasons.
2012-12-13 11:44:54 AM  
1 votes:
images.zap2it.com

Unimpressed.
2012-12-13 11:44:01 AM  
1 votes:
It's a tricycle.
2012-12-13 10:01:20 AM  
1 votes:
This is not going to end well. Especially if it makes it to the showroom.
 
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