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2012-12-13 12:13:44 PM  

Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.


So do these, but it turns out the frame is an intergral roll cage, which makes them safer than conventional cars:
thetalkingmirror.com
 
2012-12-13 12:13:50 PM  

900RR: 200 miles on one charge? How can you get those kind of results without massive government funding???


It helps to have an 800 lb curb weight.
 
2012-12-13 12:14:00 PM  

ph0rk: starlost: hipster motorcycle dealership

I think that's next to the store that sells pink unicorn feed.


So is the feed pink, or do only pink unicorns eat it?
 
2012-12-13 12:14:43 PM  

doczoidberg: I agree. The price of this thing will determine whether it goes anywhere.

20 thousand dollars?
--Nope. People will just buy a normal car.

5 thousand dollars?
--Well, hell. I just might consider it.

That's the trouble with these green technologies. Micro houses, smart cars...they all cost way too much. People would buy this stuff if the price reflected what they are getting upfront.


For $6,000 you can buy a 550cc scooter that gets about 60mpg.
200miles on a single charge. I like it.
 
2012-12-13 12:14:53 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: error 303: Slaves2Darkness: Spanky_McFarksalot: FTFA:"but that cost will go down significantly--to around $16,000--once the product gains sufficient market share to enable bulk manufacturing."

Sooo, I have $16k to spend on a car....why would I pick that one?

Hell if I know you could buy dam near any sub-compact in the market for $16k and probably get better gas mileage, certainly more range.

For awhile Kia had an actual buy-one-get-one-free promotion, where if you bought a Kia Sorento at full price (something like $18,000) they would give you a Kia Rio for free.

So for $18,000, you could get a new SUV AND a car that got roughly 35 mpg.

If you're referring to the first generation Kia Rio, that's not really true. The car got 26 mpg in mixed driving.

/Used to have one, it was a piece of crap
//I kind of miss it though


Ah. Hm. Thought they were better than that. I've got a second gen and it's definitely a piece of crap that I'll miss when it's gone.
 
2012-12-13 12:17:49 PM  

Magorn: Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.

So do these, but it turns out the frame is an intergral roll cage, which makes them safer than conventional cars:
[thetalkingmirror.com image 640x480]


In many respects. But doesn't it depend on the metric and circumstances? The strongest roll cage in the world can't do anything about the fact that a vehicle weighing much less than another in a car-car impact is the one experiencing the bulk of the acceleration which increases occupant injury. Especially internal ones.
 
2012-12-13 12:19:27 PM  

Mose: Magorn: Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.

So do these, but it turns out the frame is an intergral roll cage, which makes them safer than conventional cars:
[thetalkingmirror.com image 640x480]

In many respects. But doesn't it depend on the metric and circumstances? The strongest roll cage in the world can't do anything about the fact that a vehicle weighing much less than another in a car-car impact is the one experiencing the bulk of the acceleration which increases occupant injury. Especially internal ones.


So let's ban larger vehicles, they don't really serve a purpose and they're safety hazards for those people that wish to be eco-friendly.
 
2012-12-13 12:19:28 PM  
Just have the designer drive around Wisconsin in the winter time and still call it a car afterwards.
 
2012-12-13 12:19:53 PM  
So it's like a Smart car but less powerful, more expensive, and harder to fill up. That really changes the game.
 
2012-12-13 12:19:59 PM  

Mose: I have a hard time taking you seriously when you mention the Tesla, an Audi S5 and the farking Camaro and you're talking about the best sports cars of all time.


That's because, at an unfounded guess, you probably think terribly built Italian Lambos and Ferraris are good cars, rather than grounded shiat boxes with huge engines.
 
2012-12-13 12:20:09 PM  

St_Francis_P: In fact, the C-1 isn't really a car at all: It's officially classified as a motorcycle, but CEO Daniel Kim says that the vehicle resists classification.

"It's disrupting the automotive space," says Kim.

That kind of marketing-speak would scare me, even if I wanted one.


Yeah, this guy could be selling a car that gives anyone who drives it eternal life, I'm still not buying anything from an asshole who talks like that. Sorry.
 
2012-12-13 12:21:13 PM  

tricycleracer: Sticky Hands: maybe it's just me... but where would the average apartment dwelling city slicker charge an electric vehicle?
hell I have to leave my place to just vacuum my car.

The grand idea is to turn every parking meter into a charging station.

[static.davidreport.com image 510x499]


Dear god... Imagine how that plays out during a large snow or ice storm or a garbage strike.
 
2012-12-13 12:21:28 PM  
Micro cars-whether they're 'green' or not, have traditionally never sold well, not including the Mini. So what the market really needs for a successful EV is a small-not micro-car, that gets a range of like 200 miles and costs $16K or less. Until that happens, I can't really see anyone breaking the rules, but at least these guys are trying.
 
2012-12-13 12:21:46 PM  
On the plus side it can use the HOV lanes.
 
2012-12-13 12:22:33 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: FTFA:"but that cost will go down significantly--to around $16,000--once the product gains sufficient market share to enable bulk manufacturing."

Sooo, I have $16k to spend on a car....why would I pick that one?


Because your parents have a ton of money, you think it being "green" is super neat, and you don't want to conform and get a car.
 
2012-12-13 12:22:34 PM  
I really liked it when it was called the Carver. They never released anything though :(

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-13 12:22:58 PM  

tricycleracer: Sticky Hands: maybe it's just me... but where would the average apartment dwelling city slicker charge an electric vehicle?
hell I have to leave my place to just vacuum my car.

The grand idea is to turn every parking meter into a charging station.

[static.davidreport.com image 510x499]


Is that farce or something people are actually trying to do...because it really doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. Instead of paying for time you pay for charging.
 
2012-12-13 12:23:13 PM  
Does anyone else remember the Volkswagen GX3 concept? That was a 3 wheeled motorcycle/car I would have bought if it came to market.

Truth be told it was more of a "fun nice weather toy" vehicle and less of a "I guess some of us just care more about the environment" vehicle though.
 
2012-12-13 12:23:17 PM  

Mose: But doesn't it depend on the metric and circumstances?


It's the same forces at work whether you measure them in inches or centimetres, mate.

;-)
 
2012-12-13 12:24:38 PM  
I would prefer something like the Campagna T-Rex... yeah it's $50K... but couldn't it be made less expensive with a battery pack or small turbo diesel or even a non-high performance ice motor? Also won't tip over if the gyro shuts down... two wheels up front, one in the rear... still licensed as a motorcycle... low center of gravity...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-13 12:25:10 PM  

bluefoxicy: Mose: I have a hard time taking you seriously when you mention the Tesla, an Audi S5 and the farking Camaro and you're talking about the best sports cars of all time.

That's because, at an unfounded guess, you probably think terribly built Italian Lambos and Ferraris are good cars, rather than grounded shiat boxes with huge engines.


Girion47: Mose: Magorn: Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.

So do these, but it turns out the frame is an intergral roll cage, which makes them safer than conventional cars:
[thetalkingmirror.com image 640x480]

In many respects. But doesn't it depend on the metric and circumstances? The strongest roll cage in the world can't do anything about the fact that a vehicle weighing much less than another in a car-car impact is the one experiencing the bulk of the acceleration which increases occupant injury. Especially internal ones.

So let's ban larger vehicles, they don't really serve a purpose and they're safety hazards for those people that wish to be eco-friendly.


Not sure if serious...

*checks profile*

Probably not serious?
Nice WRX. I have an '04 5 door... usually wears a bike rack on its head though.
 
2012-12-13 12:25:19 PM  
OMG! IT'S NOT PERFECT FOR ALL EVERY IMAGINABLE SCENARIO!
THEREFORE LETS JUST DO NOTHING!!!1!


/whatever... I like it, and assuming the price tag isn't in the Tesla range of stupid, I'd consider buying one when it hit the market.
 
2012-12-13 12:25:22 PM  
You know what I want to see? A workable, modular car design. If it's just you driving yourself, it's a light, driver-only dealie like this thing, or a tiny two-seater. Need to move a few people? Add on a backseat module. Need to haul some furniture? Connect the cargo module and make it a mini-pickup truck. A two-car family wouldn't even need two full cars with a system like that -- just two driving modules. They could connect the cargo or passenger module to whichever car needed it, but most of the time, they could get probably get by with just the driver modules.
 
2012-12-13 12:25:28 PM  

doczoidberg: I agree. The price of this thing will determine whether it goes anywhere.

20 thousand dollars?
--Nope. People will just buy a normal car.

5 thousand dollars?
--Well, hell. I just might consider it.

That's the trouble with these green technologies. Micro houses, smart cars...they all cost way too much. People would buy this stuff if the price reflected what they are getting upfront.


I agree, although the more economically sensible greens have a point about how we subsidize non-green tech in many fields.
 
2012-12-13 12:25:37 PM  

Mose: Magorn: Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.

So do these, but it turns out the frame is an intergral roll cage, which makes them safer than conventional cars:
[thetalkingmirror.com image 640x480]

In many respects. But doesn't it depend on the metric and circumstances? The strongest roll cage in the world can't do anything about the fact that a vehicle weighing much less than another in a car-car impact is the one experiencing the bulk of the acceleration which increases occupant injury. Especially internal ones.


THIS. "Regular" cars don't just crumple up in collisions because the greedy ol' manufacturers made them out of cheap, thin materials like so many armchair engineers think...
 
2012-12-13 12:25:52 PM  

MindStalker: I really liked it when it was called the Carver. They never released anything though :(

[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x600]


Hrm, apparently Persu Link , bought the tech from Carver..
 
2012-12-13 12:26:53 PM  
p.s. I love all the people who are comparing it to other attempts at new transportation who can't count/tell the difference between 2 wheels/3wheels/4 wheels.
 
2012-12-13 12:27:41 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Somewhere, Sir Clive Sinclair is amused by this.

[i.imgur.com image 634x436]


Came here to post that, leaving frustrated.
 
2012-12-13 12:27:48 PM  
I'm gonna wait for hover cars.
 
2012-12-13 12:28:22 PM  

bluefoxicy: Mose: I have a hard time taking you seriously when you mention the Tesla, an Audi S5 and the farking Camaro and you're talking about the best sports cars of all time.

That's because, at an unfounded guess, you probably think terribly built Italian Lambos and Ferraris are good cars, rather than grounded shiat boxes with huge engines.


Are we still talking about *sports cars* or just "good cars?" And I have no idea what you mean by "grounded shiat boxes with huge engines."
 
2012-12-13 12:29:08 PM  

Hector Remarkable: I'm gonna wait for hover cars.


I hear Burt Rutan is working on one.
 
2012-12-13 12:29:26 PM  
Sadly, as has been reported in Japan, Canada and Brazil - the future of automobiles is the technology that arrives first with the most ease-of-use, longevity and enduring capabilities of its components:

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

www.diariomotor.com (First production model, comes from the factory equipped with a special SVT-modified engine)

...oh... and if you wanted "How far have they gotten with that stuff?" credibility:

www.blogcdn.com McLaren MP4-12C-BD - The option costs an extra $37,500. They've only made two so far.

/BioDiesel is going to kill electric - and hydrogen isn't that far behind.
 
2012-12-13 12:29:39 PM  

schrepjm: Does anyone else remember the Volkswagen GX3 concept? That was a 3 wheeled motorcycle/car I would have bought if it came to market.

Truth be told it was more of a "fun nice weather toy" vehicle and less of a "I guess some of us just care more about the environment" vehicle though.


i1151.photobucket.com
Morgan three-wheeler - available now for those with no fear of death and money to burn.
 
2012-12-13 12:29:40 PM  
NmG (No more Gas) Personal Electric Vehicle from Myers Motors:

www.inhabitat.com

www.inhabitat.com

/FTA: "The retro-futuristic vehicle is available in many bright colors for the reasonable price of $36,000."
//Article date: June 2008
 
2012-12-13 12:29:51 PM  

flux: You know what I want to see? A workable, modular car design. If it's just you driving yourself, it's a light, driver-only dealie like this thing, or a tiny two-seater. Need to move a few people? Add on a backseat module. Need to haul some furniture? Connect the cargo module and make it a mini-pickup truck. A two-car family wouldn't even need two full cars with a system like that -- just two driving modules. They could connect the cargo or passenger module to whichever car needed it, but most of the time, they could get probably get by with just the driver modules.


I always thought that would be a good idea, the problem comes in where/how do you park the modules.
Drop off my kids at school, I no longer need the passenger module, so I either park it at their school, or lug it with me to work anyways.
 
2012-12-13 12:29:56 PM  

santadog: doczoidberg: I agree. The price of this thing will determine whether it goes anywhere.

20 thousand dollars?
--Nope. People will just buy a normal car.

5 thousand dollars?
--Well, hell. I just might consider it.

That's the trouble with these green technologies. Micro houses, smart cars...they all cost way too much. People would buy this stuff if the price reflected what they are getting upfront.

For $6,000 you can buy a 550cc scooter that gets about 60mpg.
200miles on a single charge. I like it.


And the $6k scooter will still be running long after the battery pack in the $18k scooter, which will be long before the latter has saved you $12k in fuel.

I view small light weight electric vehicles as the future of urban commuting, and more specialization of vehicles as they become cheaper and energy becomes more expensive. I prefer the 1-2 seat electric car with a monocoque carbon fiber body, c.f. the cheap process for cold forming it that Gordon Murray has been working on.

However, there is a long, long way to go with battery technology.
 
2012-12-13 12:30:46 PM  

Sticky Hands: maybe it's just me... but where would the average apartment dwelling city slicker charge an electric vehicle?
hell I have to leave my place to just vacuum my car.

image.made-in-china.com
 
2012-12-13 12:30:51 PM  
What is the deal with these people who make these electric vehicles that almost all of them are the most unappealing things to look at? I often wonder if these people really intend to start a profitable business or are just milking grant money. $20,000 with the hope to lower that to $16,000 when I can buy a gasoline powered vehicle for half that. How much will my power bill go up to charge the vehicle, how long does it take to charge and how long before I have to replace the extremely expensive batteries? There are a lot of us who do not live in a big city with great public transportation and we don't buy a car because we desire one we buy it because we have to. Sure I could live in the city and not need a car, but I would find the $250,000 for 700sqf very wise nor would I enjoy riding the bus with all my groceries and let us not even talk about the 100% increase in crime I would gain would the city is surrounded by the scum of society. Yeah good luck with that buddy. You want to do something great where you can make a lot of money? Figure out a way to make a vehicle with a good appearance that gets 60 or more miles to the gallon and sells for under $5,000 until then pull your head out of your ass and stop believing the whole world is just like your city of San Francisco.
 
2012-12-13 12:31:08 PM  

St_Francis_P: That kind of marketing-speak would scare me, even if I wanted one.


It's a motorcycle so that it doesn't have to conform to any regulations for "cars". And this is fine... we need to be able to have innovations like this without someone claiming it doesn't meet all the standards for "cars", because, well, motorcycles are still legal and this is definitely not worse than one of those.
 
2012-12-13 12:31:37 PM  
Renault Twizy please, with full doors and windows.

Link
 
2012-12-13 12:31:55 PM  

Glitchwerks: bluefoxicy: And this is nothing near what the Tesla Roadster is. What chimp thinks his little toy car is up to par with one of the best sports cars of all time? The Roadster is up there with the Audi S5 or the Chevrolet Camaro

The Tesla Roadster isn't one of the best sports cars of all time, especially according to Top Gear.

Also, the S5 isn't really a sports car, it's more of a grand tourer.


Not to mention that the Tesla costs more than the S5 and Camaro put together. And from the "sports car" perspective, it stacks up poorly compared to the Lotus Elise/Exige, which it's based on.

/Has seen a Tesla and Exige at the same autocross event.
//One got its azz handed to it by stock Miatas, the other was in contention for fast time of the day.
///600 extra lbs of battery is not a performance enhancing feature
 
2012-12-13 12:33:31 PM  

flux: You know what I want to see? A workable, modular car design. If it's just you driving yourself, it's a light, driver-only dealie like this thing, or a tiny two-seater. Need to move a few people? Add on a backseat module. Need to haul some furniture? Connect the cargo module and make it a mini-pickup truck. A two-car family wouldn't even need two full cars with a system like that -- just two driving modules. They could connect the cargo or passenger module to whichever car needed it, but most of the time, they could get probably get by with just the driver modules.


The Hy-wire was headed in that direction. It had the basic design down. But like most promising things that come out of GM, they shiat canned it.
 
2012-12-13 12:34:56 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk [TotalFark]


Nabb1: hillbillypharmacist: "Safety of a car"?
I'm gonna need to see some test results on that.

Yeah, that looks like a deathtrap, especially in a side-impact collision.

Having done over $6000.00 damage to a Jeep Wrangler, I was thinking of animal collisions

/deer, specifically
//frikkin deer


Maybe they should rethink their design.
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-13 12:35:04 PM  
Fark that C-1.

Gimme THIS C1!

www.diseno-art.com
 
2012-12-13 12:35:48 PM  
I'm sorry, but that seating arrangement is not going to fly:

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-13 12:36:47 PM  

DaAlien: Glitchwerks: bluefoxicy: And this is nothing near what the Tesla Roadster is. What chimp thinks his little toy car is up to par with one of the best sports cars of all time? The Roadster is up there with the Audi S5 or the Chevrolet Camaro

The Tesla Roadster isn't one of the best sports cars of all time, especially according to Top Gear.

Also, the S5 isn't really a sports car, it's more of a grand tourer.

Not to mention that the Tesla costs more than the S5 and Camaro put together. And from the "sports car" perspective, it stacks up poorly compared to the Lotus Elise/Exige, which it's based on.

/Has seen a Tesla and Exige at the same autocross event.
//One got its azz handed to it by stock Miatas, the other was in contention for fast time of the day.
///600 extra lbs of battery is not a performance enhancing feature


Cross events can be funny. When I used to attend/participate in the early '00's, stock integras and lightly modified neons were handing stock M3's their asses. Driver skill certainly played a roll though, and I suspect the results would be wildly different if they were taken to a more traditional track with faster corners and longer straights.
 
2012-12-13 12:37:00 PM  

Profedius: What is the deal with these people who make these electric vehicles that almost all of them are the most unappealing things to look at? I often wonder if these people really intend to start a profitable business or are just milking grant money. $20,000 with the hope to lower that to $16,000 when I can buy a gasoline powered vehicle for half that. How much will my power bill go up to charge the vehicle, how long does it take to charge and how long before I have to replace the extremely expensive batteries? There are a lot of us who do not live in a big city with great public transportation and we don't buy a car because we desire one we buy it because we have to. Sure I could live in the city and not need a car, but I would find the $250,000 for 700sqf very wise nor would I enjoy riding the bus with all my groceries and let us not even talk about the 100% increase in crime I would gain would the city is surrounded by the scum of society. Yeah good luck with that buddy. You want to do something great where you can make a lot of money? Figure out a way to make a vehicle with a good appearance that gets 60 or more miles to the gallon and sells for under $5,000 until then pull your head out of your ass and stop believing the whole world is just like your city of San Francisco.


BRAVO!
 
2012-12-13 12:38:17 PM  

omg:

"The 2014 C-1 is estimated to cost as low as $19,900 USD after federal tax incentives."
 
2012-12-13 12:39:38 PM  

Xenomech: I'm sorry, but that seating arrangement is not going to fly:

[i50.tinypic.com image 830x564]


In San Francisco? It's like driving to work on a roller coaster. fark yeah!
 
2012-12-13 12:40:21 PM  

Xenomech: omg:
"The 2014 C-1 is estimated to cost as low as $19,900 USD after federal tax incentives."


They state on their website they're trying to get the cost down to 12,500 before incentives once manufacturing ramps up and they can (prospectively) take advantage of economies of scale.
 
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