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2012-12-13 09:54:38 AM  
Fortunately playoffs are about true competition rather than a simple money-grab, so everyone will be in support of this.
 
2012-12-13 10:15:55 AM  
Because it worked so well for the NHL.
 
2012-12-13 10:27:41 AM  
just what we need. football playoffs to last as long as hockey playoffs.
 
2012-12-13 10:54:58 AM  

ManateeGag: just what we need. football playoffs to last as long as hockey playoffs.


It probably wouldn't add any more time to the schedule. As it is, 6 teams from each conference make it in. Turn that into 8 teams and take away the first round bye for the top two teams and you have the same number of weeks. I hope if they modify the playoffs they take away the extra week off before the Super Bowl.
 
2012-12-13 11:07:55 AM  
I think they should go to a flex-schedule. Every year they include however many teams are needed to make sure the Cowboys get in.
 
2012-12-13 11:18:22 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Because it worked so well for the NHLNBA.


Fixed.
 
2012-12-13 11:34:20 AM  

SilentStrider: Marcus Aurelius: Because it worked so well for the NHLNBA.

Fixed.


Hey, on the plus side, I can score Sixers tickets for $4 a seat.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-12-13 11:38:19 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: SilentStrider: Marcus Aurelius: Because it worked so well for the NHLNBA.

Fixed.

Hey, on the plus side, I can score Sixers tickets for $4 a seat.


If you could score, why would you be at a Sixers game?
 
2012-12-13 11:39:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Because it worked so well for the NHL.


*Glances at Los Angeles Kings*
 
2012-12-13 11:44:11 AM  
As a Bears fan, I propose shortening the regular season to eight weeks. Then the Bears can fall apart during the playoffs instead of the last third of the regular season.
 
2012-12-13 12:12:29 PM  

mr_a: I think they should go to a flex-schedule. Every year they include however many teams are needed to make sure the Cowboys get in.


I was just about to post that the Cowboys still won't make it in. But hey, we'll still get to see sideline and luxury suite shots of Jerry looking concerned and biting his fingernails
 
2012-12-13 12:22:19 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: SilentStrider: Marcus Aurelius: Because it worked so well for the NHLNBA.

Fixed.

Hey, on the plus side, I can score Sixers tickets for $4 a seat.


speaking of Philly sports, I'm actually going to tonight's Eagles/Bengals game.

Is it wrong I'm going to see Andy Dalton as much as I am Nick Foles?
 
2012-12-13 12:28:00 PM  
And like the NBA Playoffs, nobody will watch on TV until the last quarter of the Superbowl.
 
2012-12-13 12:42:57 PM  
They're going to get to 18 games somehow.
 
2012-12-13 12:43:05 PM  

Lando Lincoln: As a Bears fan, I propose shortening the regular season to eight weeks. Then the Bears can fall apart during the playoffs instead of the last third of the regular season.


I would say make the regular season 4 weeks so then the Bears can at least make it to the Super Bowl every year before falling apart.
 
2012-12-13 12:43:45 PM  
Damn, always thought it was the perfect mix of teams getting in and not getting in. MLB, clearly wasn't enough before. NBA, ridiculously too many.
 
2012-12-13 12:45:07 PM  
Because the plan to add two games to the regular season fell through on all the howling about player safety... I know, let's add games anyway, but make them PLAYOFF games!

Go to hell, Goodell.
 
2012-12-13 12:45:22 PM  
Blech.

Leave it as it is. Too many teams involved waters it down too much. Look how well its worked for the other leagues.
 
2012-12-13 12:47:04 PM  
Was this first proposed the week after a double-digit win patriots team missed the playoffs?
 
2012-12-13 12:48:00 PM  
I think it works/ed quite well for the NHL. And I say that as a Caps fan.
 
2012-12-13 12:48:16 PM  
Am I the only one who thinks that expanding to 14 teams and putting extra value on being the #1 seed isn't a bad thing? Making the #2 seed play an extra game isn't the worst idea in the world. Plus, you can still do 6 national TV games on a Wild Card Weekend (1pm, 4:30pm and 8pm EST Saturday and Sunday)

I would not do a 16 team playoffs though. It eliminates the biggest benefit to being a top seed (the bye) and it can't be done right for TV purposes, which is all that really matters to the NFL.
 
2012-12-13 12:48:43 PM  
Hey, maybe the Cowboys will make it now.
 
2012-12-13 12:49:53 PM  

SilentStrider: Marcus Aurelius: SilentStrider: Marcus Aurelius: Because it worked so well for the NHLNBA.

Fixed.

Hey, on the plus side, I can score Sixers tickets for $4 a seat.

speaking of Philly sports, I'm actually going to tonight's Eagles/Bengals game.

Is it wrong I'm going to see Andy Dalton as much as I am Nick Foles?


Hope fully you're going to see Andy Dalton sacked. But seeing how we're 0-2 against Dallas this year, boo them for me some, would you?
 
2012-12-13 12:52:57 PM  
I think that the first rule when considering playoff expansion is that the lowest seeded team has to win the tournament. Since this has already happened in the NFL, I don't have a gripe on that angle.

However, there are many more things to consider. Player safety is not one of them if you're the NFL. They don't care about the players' safety, they care about getting sued. This is a very important distinction.

I think that the league is just fine the way it is in terms of schedule and playoff format. Changes would be acceptable, but, as others have pointed out, you risk watering down your product. Your product is so popular now largely because it is not considered by most fans to be "watered down".

I understand quite well that the NFL is first and foremost a business. However, it's the wrong business to get into if you think you're going to be Wal-Mart or McDonald's.
 
2012-12-13 12:56:58 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Hope fully you're going to see Andy Dalton sacked. But seeing how we're 0-2 against Dallas this year, boo them for me some, would you?


will do.

I am looking forward to seeing Foles too. And for my fantasy teams' sake, I hope Bryce Brown does well.
 
2012-12-13 12:57:24 PM  
I don't have a problem with it. In the NFL the teams are so close anyway, there isn't a huge difference between the 4 seed and the 6,7, or 8. Looking at this year, in the NFC we're probably getting two out of Seattle, Chicago, Washington, Dallas, and Minnesota. What's wrong with getting 4 out of that group?

There isn't such a big difference between those teams, I wouldn't mind seeing them all in the playoffs with a chance to go on a run...and really couldn't any of those teams beat the Falcons or the Niners?

The AFC is a bit uglier, you could maybe get a team under .500 if you let 8 teams in. But I personally still wouldn't mind seeing both the Bengals and Steelers make it or giving hope to the Dolphins and Jets.

It also would keep more fan bases involved in the season longer, it would maybe save some coaches jobs, and help end the locked into playoffs rest our starters the last two weeks crap.

Anyway, I think they are most likely to add 1 more team per conference, first round buy only to the #1 seed. Guess we'll see.
 
2012-12-13 12:57:50 PM  
Just wait until a 7-9 or 6-10 team makes it in.
 
2012-12-13 01:04:04 PM  

mjohnson71: Just wait until a 7-9 or 6-10 team makes it in.


Yeah, it would be a travesty if a 7-9 team made the playoffs. Clearly a team like that doesn't belong and couldn't possibly beat, oh, say, the defending NFL champs.
 
2012-12-13 01:04:21 PM  

mjohnson71: Just wait until a 7-9 or 6-10 team makes it in.


The 7-9 ship has sailed and they won a game in the playoffs.

However, I understand that this is a tough sell. Under the NFL's current playoff format, an 11-5 team has missed the playoffs and a 7-9 team has gotten in. Since an additional two teams would lower that bar, 6-10 is possible, but not very probable. When the Seahawks got in at 7-9, for instance, two 10-6 teams missed the playoffs.
 
2012-12-13 01:04:48 PM  
playoffs can be entertaining, but are a shiatty way to determine a champion and diminish the value of the regular season. at their root playoffs are just a blatant cash grab by money loving whores (i guess it's better than blackmailing tax payers though). oh and they always expand because the more playoffs the more money (and more chances for shiatty coaches in weak division to save their jobs by saying, "but we made the playoffs.").

/but i'm just an old man ranting at the clouds.
 
2012-12-13 01:10:39 PM  
I don't like the idea of playoff byes. It seems like every year there is a team that comes in totally flat from their week off. It's strange that I hear so many NFL commentators saying "don't rest your starters in Week 17, then they're not game-ready for the playoffs," but those same commentators never say anything about those same starters not being game-ready after the bye week.

But I'm not sure of the solution to that problem. 8 teams doesn't seem like enough for the playoffs, and 16 seems like too many.
 
2012-12-13 01:10:46 PM  
At this point, does it matter how many teams they let in? Hell, let everyone in. Make the regular season exist solely for seeding purposes.
 
2012-12-13 01:11:32 PM  

mjohnson71: Just wait until a 7-9 or 6-10 team makes it in.


So if an 8-8 team makes it that's ok but 7-9, somehow that's a travesty?

The difference between 9-7 and 7-9 isn't as big as you apparently think it is in the NFL. Pretty much every team is a few breaks away from winning 4 or 5 more games...or losing 4 or 5 more.
 
2012-12-13 01:14:23 PM  
Just make it a 31 game, ~36 week season. Team with the best overall record wins.

FOOTBALL!!!!!!
 
2012-12-13 01:15:04 PM  

A Fark Handle: playoffs can be entertaining, but are a shiatty way to determine a champion and diminish the value of the regular season. at their root playoffs are just a blatant cash grab by money loving whores (i guess it's better than blackmailing tax payers though). oh and they always expand because the more playoffs the more money (and more chances for shiatty coaches in weak division to save their jobs by saying, "but we made the playoffs.").

/but i'm just an old man ranting at the clouds.


The NFL could determine a champion via a round-robin format where the top teams in the standings face each other at the end.

The NFL adds two teams (so each conference has 17 teams) and each conference team then plays 16 intraconference games, retaining the current 16-week regular season format. If there is a tie at the end in one conference, they play it off while the other team gets a bye (assuming there was no tie at the other end). This format gets extended appropriately with any applicable tie-breaker rules when there are more than two teams tied at the end.

After all of this, the two conference champions face each other in the Super Bowl.

Obviously, it'll never be done, but it's fun to think about (at least for a huge dork like me).
 
2012-12-13 01:15:49 PM  

Gosling: Because the plan to add two games to the regular season fell through on all the howling about player safety... I know, let's add games anyway, but make them PLAYOFF games!

Go to hell, Goodell.


That's what I assumed as well. Great time to announce it as well, right after the Bounty results.
 
2012-12-13 01:17:38 PM  

The Third Man: I don't like the idea of playoff byes. It seems like every year there is a team that comes in totally flat from their week off.


And yet, the regular-season bye is generally welcomed as a chance to rest and heal, with no negative stigma attached.

If a team can't mentally handle the prosperity of getting an extra week off, then fark 'em.
 
2012-12-13 01:17:51 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: mjohnson71: Just wait until a 7-9 or 6-10 team makes it in.

The 7-9 ship has sailed and they won a game in the playoffs.

However, I understand that this is a tough sell. Under the NFL's current playoff format, an 11-5 team has missed the playoffs and a 7-9 team has gotten in. Since an additional two teams would lower that bar, 6-10 is possible, but not very probable. When the Seahawks got in at 7-9, for instance, two 10-6 teams missed the playoffs.


maybe they shouldn't have gone to 8 divisions all with guaranteed spots? the more division the more likely a shiatty team will make it over a good team. that was obvious when they announced that they were going to 8 division. maybe the nfl should just add a los angeles expansion team and realign to 11 division of 3, then it could be even more tarded.

seattle, oakland, san fran (nw hippy division)
arizona, san diego, los angeles (blondes, tits, and tanned division)
denver, kansas city, st louis (flyover)
houston, dallas, new orleans (deep south)
miami, jax, tampa (florida)
tennesse, atlanta, carolina (south)
minnesota, chicago, green bay (norris, yeah, yeah, yeah, i know where's detroit)
indy, cincinnati, cleveland (flatland)
detroit, pitt, buffalo (rust belt)
washington, baltimore, philly (mid atlantic corruption)
new england, nyg, nyj (espn all the time division)
 
2012-12-13 01:19:21 PM  
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Dear insufferable out-of-touch raging dumbass Roger Goodell,

Please don't wreck our beloved game in a ham-handed effort at misdirection from your bungling of the last year of your job. Please don't destroy the last meaningful regular season in North American professional sports in some vain attempt to get an empty gold star on your resume before you get canned. Please STFO and do NOT GBTW. Just quit. Go away. Stop peeing in my pool. fark off. Go to hell. Eat me. Reconnect with your children. Learn to paint. Do some traveling. Fall in love with your wife again. Rescue a hooker and take her away from all this. Become a grand master at chess. Go see a dominatrix and experience the freedom of not being in control. Take up woodworking. Train for a marathon. Write the shiattiest book ever - a thriller of course with the unlikely hero of course looking a lot like you though he attended a different college with a similar name.

Do anything you want dude. But stop farking up football. You suck at it. Wait - I meant that you suck at running football. You are actually really good at farking it up. Now stop it and go away forever.
 
2012-12-13 01:19:43 PM  
Roger "I'll get two more goddamn games out of you farkers one way or another Goodell's idea, no?
 
2012-12-13 01:21:51 PM  
As bad of an idea as it is, could we get a link to an actual article maybe? Rather than some guy's rant.

For a league with about 30 members, 8-12 teams in the playoffs seems ideal. I could maybe get behind eliminating one of the byes in each conference but I would never encourage it. And you simply shouldn't have a majority of teams in the playoffs.

I like how baseball expanded the playoffs because it only takes a couple days and makes winning the League and your division extremely important by giving a significant advantage to the league winner (rested coming against a team that likely just burned their ace) and penalty to the wild card teams (high risk of being knocked out and going into the LDS at a disadvantage).
The NFL already has a lighter version of this through the byes. for the top two teams. Home field is also more important in the NFL than the MLB (and I presume the NHL and NBA). While regular season home field win percentage is slightly higher in the NFL, the playoff win percentage is far higher so it is more important to get it in the NFL.

ManateeGag: just what we need. football playoffs to last as long as hockey playoffs.


Not a worry, each round of football only lasts a week.
 
2012-12-13 01:22:17 PM  
If they expand to 16 teams, they'll give all 4 division winners first round byes and see them 1-4 based on record. 4 wild cards seeded 5-8 based on standard tie-breaks. Then 1 plays lowest seed, 2 plays second lowest seed, and 3 vs 4. With that sort of structure, they get the extra games and winning your division still means something.
 
2012-12-13 01:23:31 PM  
Pandering to disgruntled hockey fans, I see.
 
2012-12-13 01:25:31 PM  
As a Buffalo Bills fan, I encourage this playoff expansion.
 
2012-12-13 01:25:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Because it worked so well for the NHL.


What's the NHL?
 
2012-12-13 01:31:16 PM  

ChrisDe: Pandering to disgruntled hockey fans, I see.


As a disgruntled hockey fan, I think the playoff setup in the NHL is a bad idea for the NHL and it would be a bad idea for the NFL as well. Playoffs should be a demonstration of skill, not a war of attrition.
 
mjg
2012-12-13 01:31:39 PM  
www.cjme.com

Been there, done that.
 
2012-12-13 01:31:44 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: SilentStrider: Marcus Aurelius: Because it worked so well for the NHLNBA.

Fixed.

Hey, on the plus side, I can score Sixers tickets for $4 a seat.


So you pay more for parking or subway then the actual game?
 
2012-12-13 01:35:15 PM  
Ok fine, no more division champions or wild card teams. The top 8 teams in each conference get in. More bye weeks for the top two teams, home field advantage goes to the top seed. 4 games in each conference bracket the first, 2 the second week, then the conference championship followed by the Super Bowl. Done.

Still sadly leaves open the possibility of 7-9 or, even worse, a 6-10 team making the cut in a down year but whatever.

/The Jets will still miss the playoffs.
 
2012-12-13 01:43:57 PM  

A Fark Handle: playoffs can be entertaining, but are a shiatty way to determine a champion and diminish the value of the regular season. at their root playoffs are just a blatant cash grab by money loving whores (i guess it's better than blackmailing tax payers though). oh and they always expand because the more playoffs the more money (and more chances for shiatty coaches in weak division to save their jobs by saying, "but we made the playoffs.").

/but i'm just an old man ranting at the clouds.




Oy, this guy.

Would you rather they do the BCS style format for the NFL? Or, better yet, they could just play your precious regular season (every game counts!), then at the end writers and coaches could vote on who the best team was. That would be so much better!

/this is where you counter with the 2007 Giants over the Pats and how the series was only tied at 1-1, because nobody gets tired of hearing that one.
 
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