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(CBS Sports)   Calipari polling below 50% in Kentucky. In defense of Kentucky fans, it has been nearly nine months since Kentucky won a national championship   (cbssports.com) divider line 74
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2012-12-13 10:18:19 AM  
That starting five has had a lot on their minds, ok? Studying for the SAT is hard work.
 
2012-12-13 10:20:07 AM  
To be fair, it's hard to get fresh seafood in Kentucky.
 
2012-12-13 10:33:26 AM  
In defense of Calipari, college basketball kind of sucks.
 
2012-12-13 11:35:54 AM  
UK fans should get used to this, given the way Calipari recruits. He's going to go out and get the best recruits out there, who all plan on going to the NBA as soon as possible. So he has very little time to mold them into a team. When it works, you get last year. But if it doesn't work, you might end up with this year.
 
2012-12-13 11:52:16 AM  
trololol.

It's a poll of Kentucky residents, which do include fans of other schools and people don't even like college basketball. Let's look at it this way, only 15% responded with an unfavorable opinion (According to the same poll, Louisville fans make up 17% of the state).
 
2012-12-13 11:53:14 AM  

jake_lex: UK fans should get used to this, given the way Calipari recruits. He's going to go out and get the best recruits out there, who all plan on going to the NBA as soon as possible. So he has very little time to mold them into a team. When it works, you get last year. But if it doesn't work, you might end up with this year.


That's the thing, I don't think it's really UK fans driving the poll results. Like I said above, it's only 15% that responded with an unfavorable opinion, and this isn't just a poll of Kentucky fans
 
2012-12-13 11:57:26 AM  
Hmmmmmmm, let's see who's currently ranked number 2?:

collegeadmissions.testmasters.com
 
2012-12-13 11:57:45 AM  
UK fans have very little patience for losing (at least when it comes to basketball anyway). I should know, my dad went to UK and his parents and one of his brothers still live in Lexington. I've always wondered why they're willing to tolerate such a terrible football program, but I guess as long as they have one team playing well that's good enough.
 
2012-12-13 11:59:31 AM  
this is the way spoiled american sports fans work. cal showed that his one and done way could win a title (even almost going undefeated at that) and now the idiot fans think that he should win with his one and done way every year and thus any and all losses are unacceptable. spoiled children (and i'm not talking about the players).
 
2012-12-13 12:04:08 PM  

calm like a bomb: Hmmmmmmm, let's see who's currently ranked number 2?:

[collegeadmissions.testmasters.com image 480x360]


And we all know that the rankings in mid-December are of critical importance.
 
2012-12-13 12:05:27 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: calm like a bomb: Hmmmmmmm, let's see who's currently ranked number 2?:

[collegeadmissions.testmasters.com image 480x360]

And we all know that the rankings in mid-December are of critical importance.


Say what you'd like, I posit that wins against a #2, a #3, and a #4 in just over two weeks is pretty damned impressive.
 
2012-12-13 12:07:04 PM  
Just win.

larrygloverlive.com
 
2012-12-13 12:10:35 PM  

calm like a bomb: Yanks_RSJ: calm like a bomb: Hmmmmmmm, let's see who's currently ranked number 2?:

[collegeadmissions.testmasters.com image 480x360]

And we all know that the rankings in mid-December are of critical importance.

Say what you'd like, I posit that wins against a #2, a #3, and a #4 in just over two weeks is pretty damned impressive.


It is but the view from the top looks even better.
 
2012-12-13 12:17:24 PM  
Polling the approval ratings of college basketball coaches. I hope the world does end on the 21st.

/I won't believe these polls until they're unskewed
//what does Nate Silver think? Can he give us a percentage on Calipari's chances of getting fired? 33.3, repeating of course?
 
2012-12-13 12:17:39 PM  

redmid17: It is but the view from the top looks even better.


Not saying IU isn't legit, but they haven't played much of anybody yet. Things may look way different on Feb. 11th.
 
2012-12-13 12:21:28 PM  

calm like a bomb: redmid17: It is but the view from the top looks even better.

Not saying IU isn't legit, but they haven't played much of anybody yet. Things may look way different on Feb. 11th.


Yeah I have to give you that. Our non-conference schedule isn't exactly difficult, but the conference schedule is going to be mighty good basketball watchin'.
 
2012-12-13 12:24:11 PM  
In Lexington they start talking collge basketball arounf the end of April and don't stop until the beginning of April, and they're total dildoes about it.
 
2012-12-13 12:43:21 PM  
according to relatives in kentucky, UK basketball teams are always the "worst ever" if they lose 1 game

so i'm really enjoying the schadenfreude right now
 
2012-12-13 12:47:57 PM  
www.courier-journal.com
 
2012-12-13 12:48:40 PM  
But really all that should matter to UK fans is what Bob Knight thinks.
 
2012-12-13 01:07:03 PM  

jake_lex: UK fans should get used to this, given the way Calipari recruits. He's going to go out and get the best recruits out there, who all plan on going to the NBA as soon as possible. So he has very little time to mold them into a team. When it works, you get last year. But if it doesn't work, you might end up with this year.


I've told my UK friends essentially the same thing:

1. Quit whining because you just got a championship
2. If you didn't have a problem with Cal (who said he doesn't care about championships, only getting people into the NBA) before, you can't really biatch about the situation now.

/Also I imagine Louisville fans have something to do with that poll.
 
2012-12-13 01:10:39 PM  

Neondistraction: UK fans have very little patience for losing (at least when it comes to basketball anyway). I should know, my dad went to UK and his parents and one of his brothers still live in Lexington. I've always wondered why they're willing to tolerate such a terrible football program, but I guess as long as they have one team playing well that's good enough.


They don't, they biatch about that too. Granted, they ask for simply a winning season (with a basketball school in the toughest NCAA football conference) instead of championships every year, but it's asking too much. They've even run off dedicated, loyal men that have had nearly nothing to work with in the past years.

But yes, I've heard "we got blown out by Florida...just wait until basketball season!"
 
2012-12-13 01:32:30 PM  

calm like a bomb: Hmmmmmmm, let's see who's currently ranked number 2?:

[collegeadmissions.testmasters.com image 480x360]


let's see who lost to farking Lehigh last year. And who couldn't hold a 17 point 2nd half lead in the 1998 elite 8.
 
2012-12-13 01:48:44 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: But really all that should matter to UK fans is what when Bob Knight thinks dies.


/ftfy
/some entrepreneurial sort should construct a pay toilet over Bob Knight's grave
 
2012-12-13 01:51:41 PM  
Calipari's basically laid out how his tenure will be:

He recruits the very top players, who will only be around for one year. He gets them in part because he can guarantee them lots of playing time, and that all his current good players will be gone by the time they get there. (Leave aside World Wide Wes, etc.)

Sometimes it will work out very well, like last year, when the NBA lockout convinced older players to stick around, giving the team unusual depth to go along with defensive-minded, excellent talent.

He'll need profoundly good point guard play, because his players are too inexperienced at the new level of basketball to operate as a team.

He'll get them pretty deep into the Tournament, because he's a good game coach.

That's what it will be, year in, year out, until he is chased off by allegations into the pros. We'll usually forget the majority of the players who were there, they're gone so fast. They will have few beloved teams, even among the fanbase. Is last year's team 'beloved'? Not really - they're already wanting more, like a Chinese buffet.

He'll have a spectacular team next year, but it may be just like this year, if a bit better - without an identity, a bunch of impressive pieces. Or lightning will strike again. I can't say (barring filthiness) it's not a terrible plan.
 
2012-12-13 01:52:26 PM  

Pockafrusta: [www.courier-journal.com image 850x1187]


Doesn't posting that picture get you banhammered around here? Drew, your thoughts?
 
2012-12-13 01:55:30 PM  

IlGreven: Pockafrusta: [www.courier-journal.com image 850x1187]

Doesn't posting that picture get you banhammered around here? Drew, your thoughts?


No, there's nothing UK could have done to win that game. Not with that painfully inferior coach.
 
2012-12-13 01:56:02 PM  

EyeballKid: funk_soul_bubby: But really all that should matter to UK fans is what when Bob Knight thinks dies.

/ftfy
/some entrepreneurial sort should construct a pay toilet over Bob Knight's grave


i hope they at least make it nice, in order to give kentuckians a nice first impression of indoor plumbing.
 
2012-12-13 02:33:55 PM  

12349876: calm like a bomb: Hmmmmmmm, let's see who's currently ranked number 2?:

[collegeadmissions.testmasters.com image 480x360]

let's see who lost to farking Lehigh last year. And who couldn't hold a 17 point 2nd half lead in the 1998 elite 8.


Who was it that couldn't manage more than 28 points against Dartmouth in the 1928 Regional Finals?
 
2012-12-13 02:49:03 PM  
I'm a Kentucky fan because I attended the university, although since leaving the Commonwealth, it has become less of a part of my identity. I'm genuinely amused by the doom and gloom on my FB wall from people who really ought to know better- it's sports! It's the pleasant diversion from the daily grind! It's 18-22 year old kids playing a game.

It's scary how much people make their fanhood part of their identity. Or maybe I'm just sports-content right now.
 
2012-12-13 03:09:45 PM  
The thing is, for every normal Kentucky fan that lives in Lexington, near Cincinnati, or Louisville, there are five Kentucky fans that live deep in the hills round yonder who have a completely skewed perspective about life, basketball, and happiness (Not to mention the entirety of UL fans whose perspective is poisoned by hatred).

Honestly, listen to one of the Calipari call in shows sometime and see what kind of people he ends up talking to. It's like Jethro McGurkin from Turdcreek Kentucky, telling Calipari that he needs to play the "white feller" more often, and giving him advice on recruiting four year players instead of NBA level talent. Its unreal, it honestly feels like they handpick people for the call-in shows to make our fanbase seem as awful as possible.

Even talking to other fans that I consider pretty normal, reasonable people, they get upset about the one-and-done recruiting philosophy, and point out things like "Duke doesn't recruit em!" whilst Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers laugh in the background.

The things I put up with to be a UK fan, sigh.
 
2012-12-13 03:12:57 PM  

Gonz: I'm a Kentucky fan because I attended the university, although since leaving the Commonwealth, it has become less of a part of my identity. I'm genuinely amused by the doom and gloom on my FB wall from people who really ought to know better- it's sports! It's the pleasant diversion from the daily grind! It's 18-22 year old kids playing a game.

It's scary how much people make their fanhood part of their identity. Or maybe I'm just sports-content right now.


My son is a freshman at Alabama. A few weeks ago when oregon lost they showed the students in the stands weeping. I imediately texted him and said I hope you didn't act like that. He said no, the game ended and he looked at his friend and said 'Well, that just happened.'

/proud dad
 
2012-12-13 03:17:31 PM  

capnmonkey: Even talking to other fans that I consider pretty normal, reasonable people, they get upset about the one-and-done recruiting philosophy, and point out things like "Duke doesn't recruit em!" whilst Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers laugh in the background.


Other schools don't specifically recruit one-and-done players. If they leave after one year, that's one thing, but it's not expected.

Cal has specifically said he is looking for one-and-done players. His stated philosophy is to move them in, move them out. I don't know of any other coach who recruits this way.
 
2012-12-13 03:23:09 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: capnmonkey: Even talking to other fans that I consider pretty normal, reasonable people, they get upset about the one-and-done recruiting philosophy, and point out things like "Duke doesn't recruit em!" whilst Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers laugh in the background.

Other schools don't specifically recruit one-and-done players. If they leave after one year, that's one thing, but it's not expected.

Cal has specifically said he is looking for one-and-done players. His stated philosophy is to move them in, move them out. I don't know of any other coach who recruits this way.


I'm not sure what to tell you if you honestly believe that there is a chance that Kyrie Irving or Austin Rivers was going to stay in college for longer than the NBA required length of time.

The ONLY difference is that Calipari will tell guys to go when they can be guaranteed a lottery spot, and he's honest about it. Other coaches smile and pretend that they are four year players, then feign disbelief when they jump.
 
2012-12-13 03:31:03 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: capnmonkey: Even talking to other fans that I consider pretty normal, reasonable people, they get upset about the one-and-done recruiting philosophy, and point out things like "Duke doesn't recruit em!" whilst Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers laugh in the background.

Other schools don't specifically recruit one-and-done players. If they leave after one year, that's one thing, but it's not expected.

Cal has specifically said he is looking for one-and-done players. His stated philosophy is to move them in, move them out. I don't know of any other coach who recruits this way.


As for this, I've never heard this as being his stated philosophy.
But he has said:
As Calipari tells his players, "if you want to do what's best for me and my family, you will stay in school. If you want to do what's best for you and your family, you will go pro."


So, if you mean that his philosophy is to not hold players like Harrison Barnes or Jared Sullinger back when they are clearly ready to go pro and consequently cost them millions of dollars, then I agree.
 
2012-12-13 03:33:14 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He'll get them pretty deep into the Tournament, because he's a good game coach.


You had me until this one...I couldn't disagree more. They will go deep into the tournament because they will "out-talent and out-defend" 85% of the teams in the tourney.

He can get them to play great team D and the size, speed and talent he recruits almost ensures a good offense with his DDM system...but I've never watched a Calipari-coached make 2nd half adjustments with a damn.

Great recruiter and motivator...absolutely..."good game coach"...completely disagree.
 
2012-12-13 03:35:36 PM  

Coach_J: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He'll get them pretty deep into the Tournament, because he's a good game coach.

You had me until this one...I couldn't disagree more. They will go deep into the tournament because they will "out-talent and out-defend" 85% of the teams in the tourney.

He can get them to play great team D and the size, speed and talent he recruits almost ensures a good offense with his DDM system...but I've never watched a Calipari-coached make 2nd half adjustments with a damn.

Great recruiter and motivator...absolutely..."good game coach"...completely disagree.


Sorry to quote myself...but remember the title game meltdown with Kansas? That was some of the worst game coaching I've ever seen. He completely gagged.
 
2012-12-13 03:36:55 PM  

capnmonkey: So, if you mean that his philosophy is to not hold players like Harrison Barnes or Jared Sullinger back when they are clearly ready to go pro and consequently cost them millions of dollars, then I agree.


I can't say for Barnes, but I think Sullinger has been proven a fraud. Sullinger's facade collapsed after Josh Harrellson branded his back with a basketball.
 
2012-12-13 03:40:38 PM  

EyeballKid: capnmonkey: So, if you mean that his philosophy is to not hold players like Harrison Barnes or Jared Sullinger back when they are clearly ready to go pro and consequently cost them millions of dollars, then I agree.

I can't say for Barnes, but I think Sullinger has been proven a fraud. Sullinger's facade collapsed after Josh Harrellson branded his back with a basketball.


There were always questions about Sullinger's NBA viability, but he still would've gone top 3 in the lockout-hampered draft. Instead he came back, hurt his back, dropped into the twenties. Going to cost him about 8 million dollars over the next 3 years.

Barnes should be a good pro, and I guess he still went 8 which was lottery pick, but he could've again been top 3 in the previous draft.
 
2012-12-13 03:44:44 PM  

capnmonkey: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: capnmonkey: Even talking to other fans that I consider pretty normal, reasonable people, they get upset about the one-and-done recruiting philosophy, and point out things like "Duke doesn't recruit em!" whilst Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers laugh in the background.

Other schools don't specifically recruit one-and-done players. If they leave after one year, that's one thing, but it's not expected.

Cal has specifically said he is looking for one-and-done players. His stated philosophy is to move them in, move them out. I don't know of any other coach who recruits this way.

I'm not sure what to tell you if you honestly believe that there is a chance that Kyrie Irving or Austin Rivers was going to stay in college for longer than the NBA required length of time.

The ONLY difference is that Calipari will tell guys to go when they can be guaranteed a lottery spot, and he's honest about it. Other coaches smile and pretend that they are four year players, then feign disbelief when they jump.


You're being extremely naive about Calipari. This isn't a surprise: most Kentucky fans are. There are many, many articles about how he is using the one-and-done system.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120401/COL03/304010050/Paul-Daug h erty-Kentucky-Wildcats-John-Calipari-unapologetic-about-his-methods

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2012/11/02/ncaab-john-cali p ari-kentucky-freshman-well-oiled-machine-nerlens-noel/1646163/

http://www.examiner.com/article/john-calipari-s-one-and-done-model-wi l l-soon-become-the-norm

Every other coach at a big time program recruits his players - every single player - hoping the young man stays more than one year. If that player is ready and wants to go, then the coach sees them off. Your examples about coaches holding back Sullinger and Barnes, etc., are bullshiat. Every. Single. Program. Does. It. This Way.

Except Kentucky. Calipari's stated -- STATED -- strategy is to recruit players WHO DO NOT WANT TO STAY MORE THAN ONE YEAR.

There is not a single blue chip player Calipari recruits, swoops in on, etc., who wants to stay in college more than a single season.

And he understands this. He loves this. He embraces this. If a player stays more than a season, this gums up the system. He demands to know why (as he did Terrence Jones). Because he NEEDS to play the next year's big time class extended minutes - which they deserve, given their talent - or else things don't work, his promises haven't come to fruition.

This is John Calipari's genius. He figured out what the one-and-done rule meant. Not that players had to stay in college one year. But that they ONLY HAD TO STAY FOR ONE YEAR. He can't get every first class recruit - some want to develop their games, get an education, enjoy college, etc. - but those he does, he can promise an unobstructed pipeline to the top of the first round. Nevermind that they were already NBA caliber: he's giving them a place to hang out and play with other phenomenal players for a year.

But ONLY a year, in most every single case.
 
2012-12-13 03:46:01 PM  

capnmonkey: Even talking to other fans that I consider pretty normal, reasonable people, they get upset about the one-and-done recruiting philosophy, and point out things like "Duke doesn't recruit em!" whilst Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers laugh in the background.


a) there's a difference between a guy or two and literally the entire starting five
b) the thing that sucks about one-and-dones is that you really have no time to build an appreciation, connect with, or anything with the players. There's no affinity-building.
 
2012-12-13 03:51:22 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Except Kentucky. Calipari's stated -- STATED -- strategy is to recruit players WHO DO NOT WANT TO STAY MORE THAN ONE YEAR.


You are being extremely naive if you think that any player with the skill to eventually play in the NBA would rather wait four years to do it, then one. They want to avoid injury and get to the league as quickly as possible so that they can become millionaires.
Calipari's stated recruiting strategy is to recruit the best players possible. The best players want to go the NBA after one year. The best players also all wear shoes.

Does that mean that Calipari's stated, STATED strategy is to recruit players that ALL WEAR SHOES????
 
2012-12-13 03:56:47 PM  

capnmonkey: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Except Kentucky. Calipari's stated -- STATED -- strategy is to recruit players WHO DO NOT WANT TO STAY MORE THAN ONE YEAR.

You are being extremely naive if you think that any player with the skill to eventually play in the NBA would rather wait four years to do it, then one. They want to avoid injury and get to the league as quickly as possible so that they can become millionaires.
Calipari's stated recruiting strategy is to recruit the best players possible. The best players want to go the NBA after one year. The best players also all wear shoes.

Does that mean that Calipari's stated, STATED strategy is to recruit players that ALL WEAR SHOES????


I feel like I'm talking to an imbecile.

Of course other teams recruit players who look like they are one-and-done. Even if they 90% expect them to leave early, that's not exclusively what they recruit, and they will coach them as if they are staying. Because sometimes, say with a Cody Zeller, they do.

Calipari exclusively recruits one-and-done players because that is his system. Maybe a guy like Wiltjer slips in there, almost by mistake. But the point of his system is that they have to move on. I'm not the only one telling you. Read the goddamn articles I posted.

But I'm thinking you don't really understand what the coach of your team has been explicitly telling you and your fan base, over and over. No wonder Kentucky fans have the reputation of being idiots.
 
2012-12-13 03:58:39 PM  

IAmRight: capnmonkey: Even talking to other fans that I consider pretty normal, reasonable people, they get upset about the one-and-done recruiting philosophy, and point out things like "Duke doesn't recruit em!" whilst Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers laugh in the background.

a) there's a difference between a guy or two and literally the entire starting five
b) the thing that sucks about one-and-dones is that you really have no time to build an appreciation, connect with, or anything with the players. There's no affinity-building.


You don't have to explain to me the problem with one and dones, I see it every game and at the start and end of every season. It's only Calipari's fourth year at UK and I'm already exasperated from learning new faces every season.

But what's he gonna do? Not recruit the best player available? Purposefully take the fourth best guard and hope he stays until his junior year and develops into a talent like the best guard?

The system works as long as UK wins games and goes deep into the tournament. The big question will be what happens when a team underachieves, and the players still jump to the league? That's when you will see the first significant fan backlash against the system.
 
2012-12-13 04:01:40 PM  

capnmonkey: The system works as long as UK wins games and goes deep into the tournament. The big question will be what happens when a team underachieves, and the players still jump to the league? That's when you will see the first significant fan backlash against the system.


I think the patience of UK fans is being slightly short-sold here. A Final Four appearance in your 2nd season and a championship in your 3rd buys you a little more time. Any memories of Billy Clyde drunk off his ass telling Jodie Meeks to not shoot the ball in the Florida game buys you even more time.
 
2012-12-13 04:06:38 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: capnmonkey: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Except Kentucky. Calipari's stated -- STATED -- strategy is to recruit players WHO DO NOT WANT TO STAY MORE THAN ONE YEAR.

You are being extremely naive if you think that any player with the skill to eventually play in the NBA would rather wait four years to do it, then one. They want to avoid injury and get to the league as quickly as possible so that they can become millionaires.
Calipari's stated recruiting strategy is to recruit the best players possible. The best players want to go the NBA after one year. The best players also all wear shoes.

Does that mean that Calipari's stated, STATED strategy is to recruit players that ALL WEAR SHOES????

I feel like I'm talking to an imbecile.

Of course other teams recruit players who look like they are one-and-done. Even if they 90% expect them to leave early, that's not exclusively what they recruit, and they will coach them as if they are staying. Because sometimes, say with a Cody Zeller, they do.

Calipari exclusively recruits one-and-done players because that is his system. Maybe a guy like Wiltjer slips in there, almost by mistake. But the point of his system is that they have to move on. I'm not the only one telling you. Read the goddamn articles I posted.

But I'm thinking you don't really understand what the coach of your team has been explicitly telling you and your fan base, over and over. No wonder Kentucky fans have the reputation of being idiots.


Wow, you take college basketball and forum discussion VERY SERIOUSLY.
I'm not really sure what to tell you if you don't believe that every D1 basketball player doesn't dream of leaving school after 1 year and going to the NBA.

Let's see, I'll try to restate this in a way that wont send you into a rage and cause you to insult me.

Here is a list of statements which are inarguably true:

1.) Calipari recruits the best players available.
2.) The best players go to the league after one year.
3.) The best players all wear shoes.
4.) The best players are all tall.
5.) The best players are all physically gifted.

Now, you want to jump straight to #2 and say "Calipari only recruits players that leave after one year" (Lets ignore that Kyle Wiltjer, Willie Cauley, Derek Willis, Doron Lamb, Terrence Jones were all scholarship players that stayed more than one year)

But in reality, #1 is the root of all the statements. What causes a player to leave early? Is it because they are the best player available at their position? I think so.

I'm not sure why it makes you so furious. If there was a player who had no legs, but had already received a verbal promise from an NBA team that he would be drafted after one year in college, would Calipari still recruit him? Assume he's an awful player, but will leave after one year.
 
2012-12-13 04:10:04 PM  

EyeballKid: capnmonkey: The system works as long as UK wins games and goes deep into the tournament. The big question will be what happens when a team underachieves, and the players still jump to the league? That's when you will see the first significant fan backlash against the system.

I think the patience of UK fans is being slightly short-sold here. A Final Four appearance in your 2nd season and a championship in your 3rd buys you a little more time. Any memories of Billy Clyde drunk off his ass telling Jodie Meeks to not shoot the ball in the Florida game buys you even more time.


I agree that Calipari SHOULD receive some patience, but we'll see if it actually happens.
There was alot of grumbling during Cal's second year when the team was losing 6-7 games to mediocre teams. There is already grumbling this season from some areas of the fanbase.
It may just be that the irrational, furious complainers are the most vocal.
 
2012-12-13 04:10:22 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I feel like I'm talking to an imbecile.


It's OK. We feel like we're listening to one.
 
2012-12-13 04:11:21 PM  

capnmonkey: Even talking to other fans that I consider pretty normal, reasonable people, they get upset about the one-and-done recruiting philosophy, and point out things like "Duke doesn't recruit em!" whilst Kyrie Irving and Austin Rivers laugh in the background.


As a Duke fan, I completely agree with you. It's ridiculous to suggest Krzyzewski wouldn't have found a way to get Nerlens Noel a scholarship if he wanted to play for Duke, even knowing he's a one and done. It was obvious Kyrie Irving didn't need to and wasn't going to stay, and only morons fault him for it.

/Austin Rivers, OTOH, shouldn't have left
//A great first step isn't worth much if you then throw it into the third row half the time
 
2012-12-13 04:18:57 PM  

EyeballKid: capnmonkey: The system works as long as UK wins games and goes deep into the tournament. The big question will be what happens when a team underachieves, and the players still jump to the league? That's when you will see the first significant fan backlash against the system.

I think the patience of UK fans is being slightly short-sold here. A Final Four appearance in your 2nd season and a championship in your 3rd buys you a little more time. Any memories of Billy Clyde drunk off his ass telling Jodie Meeks to not shoot the ball in the Florida game buys you even more time.


There was a period in late 2008- early 2009 where my siblings and I replaced the terms "hello" and "goodbye" in our conversations with a modern version of "aloha".

We'd see each other's number come up on the phone and answer with "I hate Billy Gillispie". So, yeah, Calipari's stockpiled some goodwill.
 
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