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(Daily Mail)   US government has figured out the cause of those attacks on troops in Afghanistan; It because soldiers aren't sensitive to the local culture and they should ignore the abuse of womens rights and pedophilia there   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 155
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2012-12-13 09:36:35 AM
I'm surprised we aren't attacked more by the local populace of the Vatican.
 
2012-12-13 09:54:16 AM
Damn, that is a mangled headline.
 
2012-12-13 09:59:32 AM
Key part of this is PROPOSED handbook.
 
2012-12-13 10:21:23 AM
Just wait until the military finds out what the GOP has been doing to women's rights
 
2012-12-13 10:30:13 AM
It's beautiful. The article mentions that one of the sources of tension that leads to confrontations is the lack of knowledge about the culture. There's no mention of tolerance toward the mistreatment of women or children anywhere in the article, but it's right there in the headline as if that's the main crux of what it says. The Daily Mail troll strikes again.
 
2012-12-13 10:30:34 AM
I always figured the rise of insider attacks was because the 8-12 year olds who saw their family blown up by missile strikes and so on are now old enough to enlist in the Afghan army and bide their time to attack U.S soldiers from the inside.
 
2012-12-13 10:37:06 AM
That's headline's insensitive to grammar, any chance we can get the Taliban to blow it up?
 
2012-12-13 10:40:17 AM

kmmontandon: That's headline's insensitive to grammar, any chance we can get the Taliban to blow it up?


After that attempt at a sentence?
 
2012-12-13 10:42:11 AM
Also: Not go crazy and murder 1/2 dozen locals more than once a season.

US Army: 42 Days without commiting a war crime!
 
2012-12-13 10:42:41 AM
All patrols of Afghanistan will now be done by drones covered by burqas and afghans.

/afghans are totally Afghanistanianily, amirite?
 
2012-12-13 10:43:08 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: After that attempt at a sentence?


It because... I got nuthin.
 
2012-12-13 10:43:50 AM
What a pity we can't just GET THE fark OUT OF THERE!
 
2012-12-13 10:44:03 AM
Clue phone ringing. They like the 15th century and its not our country
 
2012-12-13 10:46:21 AM

Teknowaffle: I always figured the rise of insider attacks was because the 8-12 year olds who saw their family blown up by missile strikes and so on are now old enough to enlist in the Afghan army and bide their time to attack U.S soldiers from the inside.


Valid point. Another thing - you can't teach a dog to meow or a cat to bark. It doesn't matter how long we are there, we are never, ever going to convert them to our version of "civilization". I seriously doubt they want it anyway. Let's GTFO already.
 
2012-12-13 10:49:59 AM
When in Rome?
 
2012-12-13 10:50:46 AM
"I got news for some of you: some people out there don't want Li'l Wayne and Girls Gone Wild to be part of their culture."

--Colin Quinn, Long Story Short

Feel free to translate into Pashto:

Link
 
2012-12-13 10:51:20 AM
Land war in Asia. Jesus Christ.
 
2012-12-13 10:54:12 AM
Time to go.

I know we said 2014 and that is less than a year away, but maybe it is time to speed up the time table. Karzai & Company have clearly been bought out by a new lover and are ready to spread their legs with smiles on their faces. Time to just admit we are not going to come out smelling like roses there and cut our losses. Afghanistan wants us out and the sooner the better. Before we have more US soldier deaths, let's just get out.

If history is any indicator, we will be back in 25 years to do it again and in 35 years, Afghanistan will be kicking us out again.

(what's that little aphorism about insanity and doing the same thing over and over?)
 
2012-12-13 10:55:28 AM

freetomato: Teknowaffle: I always figured the rise of insider attacks was because the 8-12 year olds who saw their family blown up by missile strikes and so on are now old enough to enlist in the Afghan army and bide their time to attack U.S soldiers from the inside.

Valid point. Another thing - you can't teach a dog to meow or a cat to bark. It doesn't matter how long we are there, we are never, ever going to convert them to our version of "civilization". I seriously doubt they want it anyway. Let's GTFO already.


I recommend a "scorched earth" exit plan. Pull back from the FOBs to the regional command centers, then from there to one central location (all the while evacuating personnel). After each base is emptied, it gets destroyed. All structures demolished, all equipment and supplied that aren't taken out with the troops gets burned. After the last plane lifts off, the last base gets blown up, complete with cratering charges in the runway.

If you want to get creative, you can have the charges spell out "fark you" in Pashtun.
 
2012-12-13 10:56:11 AM
>US government has figured out the cause of those attacks on troops in Afghanistan; It because soldiers aren't sensitive to the local culture and they should ignore the abuse of womens rights and pedophilia there Because they're in Afghanistan.
 
2012-12-13 11:00:12 AM
Wow.

Who could have ever predicted that invading a country on the other side of the world, killing thousands of innocent bystanders, and holding the citizens in contempt for following different cultural norms would cause friction?
 
2012-12-13 11:02:24 AM
Sorry asshats, but abusing women and children deserves scorn, not respect.
 
2012-12-13 11:02:49 AM
Woman and sex abuse aren't really a concern of most activists.

It's only a concern when you can benefit from it. Republican congressman hits on 16yr old boy... vile. Kevin Clash has sex with 16yr old boy... leave Kevin alone.
 
2012-12-13 11:04:50 AM
I have to wonder about the validity of this article. If you read carefully, the article refers to Lt. Gen Perkins, it then TWICE refers to him as LT Perkins. There is quite a difference between a LT and a Lt. General (O1/O2 - O9) If the article cannot get this basic fact straight, how accurate is the rest?
 
2012-12-13 11:05:09 AM
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2012-12-13 11:05:32 AM
Ignoring the Daily Fail Troll... That's actually a legitimate line of thinking. Are we there to transform their society to our current standards or are we there to eliminate any threat to America, leave the place stable, and then GTFO?
 
2012-12-13 11:05:41 AM

Mrbogey: Woman and sex abuse aren't really a concern of most activists.

It's only a concern when you can benefit from it. Republican congressman hits on 16yr old boy... vile. Kevin Clash has sex with 16yr old boy... leave Kevin alone.


The fark has your victimhood complex got to do with anything?
 
2012-12-13 11:06:00 AM
I'm with the Fail on this. Lieutenant General Perkins definitely deserved the demotion.
FTA
Lt Perkins tells the Journal that the draft is still under revision and will be amended with Gen Allen's guidance taken into full consideration.
 
2012-12-13 11:06:17 AM
Has there ever been a millitary operation like this in the history of the world? I mean I guess Britain/the UK had a huge empire where they probably weren't liked much by the locals, but did they work side by side on integrating the local forces with their own?

I really have no idea how typical these type of attacks are. When you consider just how many of our soldiers have been there in a state of conflict for this many years, I almost think that, while yes, any kind of these attacks is terrible and we should be making every attempt to stem them, there's a lot of soldiers on both sides, and some amount infiltration and/or simple Afghans pushed over the brink by years of devastation could probably be reasonably expected.

Like I said, I have no idea what a typical baseline rate of 'local "friendly" millitary attacks occupying "friendly" millitary forces', but if you told me this is happening at what could be considered a "normal" rate, I wouldn't be surprised...

Still terrible, of course. It's just a terrible conflict all around.
 
2012-12-13 11:09:25 AM
Oh, and a question for the White Knights of Christendom Brigade: where was the US military outrage about the off-post sex slave brothels in Vietnam, Bosnia and Kosovo? You can hide the bullshiat from the US public, but not from the locals

Peter von Nostrand: Just wait until the military finds out what the GOP has been doing to women's rights


It's only bad if the furriners are doin' it. Where was the US military outrage about the off-post sex slave brothels in Vietnam, Bosnia and Kosovo? They're good reenlistment tools, as long as you completely don't care about the effect they have on the local population, and you don't care whether your troops end up thinking of non-Americans as subhuman disposables.
 
2012-12-13 11:14:08 AM

amoral: Also: Not go crazy and murder 1/2 dozen locals more than once a season.

US Army: 42 Days without commiting a war crime!


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2012-12-13 11:15:46 AM

Old enough to know better: What a pity we can't just GET THE fark OUT OF THERE!


Well Afghanistan, it's been fun. I mean I like you and all but... this thing... you and me.. well, it's really a not a long term thing. You understand, right? You knew that from the start. I was always upfront that there would be other countries to invade.
 
2012-12-13 11:16:58 AM

exick: It's beautiful. The article mentions that one of the sources of tension that leads to confrontations is the lack of knowledge about the culture. There's no mention of tolerance toward the mistreatment of women or children anywhere in the article, but it's right there in the headline as if that's the main crux of what it says. The Daily Mail troll strikes again.


Well, it's partially right. That happens over there. The Taliban, who wants to be in charge, has no qualms about shooting a woman in the head if she wants to go to school. Pedophilia exists in forced marriages of children.

Our opponents in Afghanistan wish to set up a hard-line theocracy. After all, that's what existed before we invaded. They also want to spread that ideology to other parts of the world, if they can manage to do so.
 
2012-12-13 11:18:26 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Just wait until the military finds out what the GOP has been doing to women's rights


Absolutely nothing?

It is not a right to get free stuff. Stop acting like an 18 year old college student at a credit card sign up table.
 
2012-12-13 11:19:06 AM
It's tough to win the war on terrorism when one is fighting oneself.
 
2012-12-13 11:30:44 AM
Hey, where's that guy from the Iran thread? He looooooooves cultural relativism.
 
2012-12-13 11:32:16 AM
You know, they are right. We should ignore it. If they want to act like animals, let them. Let them kill, rape and abuse each other. It will keep them separate from he world at large. more power for us.
 
2012-12-13 11:35:01 AM

MyRandomName:

It is not a right to get free stuff.



Yeah ... because that's what the "War on Women" was all about ... free stuff.

Not "being provided with legitimate health care options by your insurance provider," or "putting a government padlock on your uterus."
 
2012-12-13 11:37:53 AM

what_now: Land war in Asia. Jesus Christ.


again.
I knew it would happen in my lifetime again.
That's why I enlisted in 1976. Then GTFO.
Our government will never learn.

Fark those neanderfarks.
 
2012-12-13 11:38:10 AM

error 303: Has there ever been a millitary operation like this in the history of the world? I mean I guess Britain/the UK had a huge empire where they probably weren't liked much by the locals, but did they work side by side on integrating the local forces with their own?


India wasn't Afghanistan.

Afghanistan hasn't been a country in a long time, so much as it's been a constant, geographically-constrained, floating civil war amongst various tribes and strong-men. About the only thing the various parties can agree on is that everyone else isn't Afghani.
 
2012-12-13 11:41:14 AM
Yup, and Benghazi was an attack over a YouTube video.
 
2012-12-13 11:41:54 AM

LemSkroob: You know, they are right. We should ignore it. If they want to act like animals, let them. Let them kill, rape and abuse each other. It will keep them separate from he world at large. more power for us.


Problem is, then they go somewhere else and do it. The attacks in India, Indonesia, Madrid, London, New York, Moscow... they don't sit still and keep their shiat to themselves. They see it as their job to spread their brand of Islam everywhere, and so far, killing is their method in doing so.
 
2012-12-13 11:46:49 AM
they let the military grow beards there to look like them
now we get to be quiet so we get to sound like them
that way when we don't say or do anything about their "customs"
they get to say we are like them

its time for a shave.
 
2012-12-13 11:50:13 AM

LemSkroob: You know, they are right. We should ignore it. If they want to act like animals, let them. Let them kill, rape and abuse each other. It will keep them separate from he world at large. more power for us.


Except that 1st world nations are significantly more murderous and rapey than Afganistan. (The United States murder rate per capita is twice that of Afganistan. The united states is 6 times more rapey than Afganistan. 30 out of every 100000 Americans will be raped this year, and 4.2 will be murdered. In Afganistan only 5 of every 100000 will be raped, and 2.4 murdered.) If you measure countries by likelyhood of getting raped and or murdered, the US is the worst country in history.

Maybe you should clean up your own back yard before proselytizing about the failings of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicid e _rate#United_States
 
2012-12-13 11:54:46 AM
You want a realistic assessment of Afghan cultural norms? Here you go.

I've read it a few times on my trips over there and it gives you a real "appreciation" for how truly farked those people are from the word 'go.' No amount of US intervention is going to remedy cultural norms like that. It is going to take centuries of slow, outside influence to ever get them on par with the west.

And it has never been US policy over there to "rectify" these things. We are told over and over to not judge them or attempt to bring them in line with western expectations.

This "new" guide says nothing that troops haven't been told since going to Afghanistan.

/fark that place
//Three trips
///No more, inshallah
 
2012-12-13 11:55:38 AM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: It's only bad if the furriners are doin' it. Where was the US military outrage about the off-post sex slave brothels in Vietnam, Bosnia and Kosovo? They're good reenlistment tools, as long as you completely don't care about the effect they have on the local population, and you don't care whether your troops end up thinking of non-Americans as subhuman disposables.


I know that's why I serve!

/dickbag
 
2012-12-13 11:55:47 AM

amoral: LemSkroob: You know, they are right. We should ignore it. If they want to act like animals, let them. Let them kill, rape and abuse each other. It will keep them separate from he world at large. more power for us.

Except that 1st world nations are significantly more murderous and rapey than Afganistan. (The United States murder rate per capita is twice that of Afganistan. The united states is 6 times more rapey than Afganistan. 30 out of every 100000 Americans will be raped this year, and 4.2 will be murdered. In Afganistan only 5 of every 100000 will be raped, and 2.4 murdered.) If you measure countries by likelyhood of getting raped and or murdered, the US is the worst country in history.

Maybe you should clean up your own back yard before proselytizing about the failings of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicid e _rate#United_States


How much do you want to bet that most of the rapes in Afghanistan aren't reported or fall under some contrived definition of legitimate sex?

/why do I even bother...
 
2012-12-13 11:57:07 AM
Pretty much sums up obamas foreign policy.
 
2012-12-13 11:57:29 AM

amoral: LemSkroob: You know, they are right. We should ignore it. If they want to act like animals, let them. Let them kill, rape and abuse each other. It will keep them separate from he world at large. more power for us.

Except that 1st world nations are significantly more murderous and rapey than Afganistan. (The United States murder rate per capita is twice that of Afganistan. The united states is 6 times more rapey than Afganistan. 30 out of every 100000 Americans will be raped this year, and 4.2 will be murdered. In Afganistan only 5 of every 100000 will be raped, and 2.4 murdered.) If you measure countries by likelyhood of getting raped and or murdered, the US is the worst country in history.

Maybe you should clean up your own back yard before proselytizing about the failings of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicid e _rate#United_States


You missed the word "reported" like 6 times, brah. And considering rape is vastly underreported in the enlightened west, where we (generally) don't punish rape victims more severely than their rapists, I'd expect the real number of rapes in Afghanistan to be as much as 10x higher than reported (just for a sense of scale, a 2007 report by the English government estimated between 75 and 95% of rapes are unreported - and that's just in England).

Not that I'm necessarily disagreeing, but you have to know that there are limitations on gathering those statistics, especially when it comes to rape in general, or murder in Afghanistan over a period of time when a foreign occupying army is there, which may inflate the raw numbers of and/or confound the gathering of good data on murders since late 2001.
 
2012-12-13 12:04:30 PM

Dr Dreidel: amoral: LemSkroob: You know, they are right. We should ignore it. If they want to act like animals, let them. Let them kill, rape and abuse each other. It will keep them separate from he world at large. more power for us.

Except that 1st world nations are significantly more murderous and rapey than Afganistan. (The United States murder rate per capita is twice that of Afganistan. The united states is 6 times more rapey than Afganistan. 30 out of every 100000 Americans will be raped this year, and 4.2 will be murdered. In Afganistan only 5 of every 100000 will be raped, and 2.4 murdered.) If you measure countries by likelyhood of getting raped and or murdered, the US is the worst country in history.

Maybe you should clean up your own back yard before proselytizing about the failings of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicid e _rate#United_States

You missed the word "reported" like 6 times, brah. And considering rape is vastly underreported in the enlightened west, where we (generally) don't punish rape victims more severely than their rapists, I'd expect the real number of rapes in Afghanistan to be as much as 10x higher than reported (just for a sense of scale, a 2007 report by the English government estimated between 75 and 95% of rapes are unreported - and that's just in England).

Not that I'm necessarily disagreeing, but you have to know that there are limitations on gathering those statistics, especially when it comes to rape in general, or murder in Afghanistan over a period of time when a foreign occupying army is there, which may inflate the raw numbers of and/or confound the gathering of good data on murders since late 2001.


Let him bask in his Westerner guilt.
 
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