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(Daily Mail)   The hearing into the polonium-210 poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko has heard he was working for both British and Spanish intelligence agencies at the time of his death. In related news, there are no weeds around his grave for miles   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 38
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2012-12-13 09:42:05 AM
Wow, a man who is now a Russian MP was actively engaged in treason, handing over information to foreign powers? That's going to have some repercussions, surely?
 
2012-12-13 10:19:39 AM

Slaxl: Wow, a man who is now a Russian MP was actively engaged in treason, handing over information to foreign powers? That's going to have some repercussions, surely?


He's the prime suspect in the murder case, but the Russians won't extradite him. What better way to get back at him than by convincing the Russians that he was committing treason, so that they deal with him.

we're through the rabbit hole now.
 
2012-12-13 10:39:31 AM
The Russians dump their toxic waste
Right on top of Litvinenko's grave.
A team of experts say it won't do him no harm.
 
2012-12-13 11:32:59 AM
In Putin's Russia government fights with mafia
 
2012-12-13 11:36:17 AM
That reminds me of an old cssb -

Link
 
mjg
2012-12-13 11:37:49 AM
+1 Subby. That made me laugh
 
2012-12-13 11:37:59 AM
Was Miles his hamster?
 
2012-12-13 11:38:06 AM
that's what happens when you bury your spy in the same spot someone killed a ring-wraith, duh.
 
2012-12-13 11:45:33 AM
False, Subby: Polonium-210 is an alpha emitter; alpha particles cannot penetrate much matter, maybe a few cell layers. Most of its radiation is absorbed by his cells, thus its great efficiency at killing him from head to toe. Thus there is little to no exposure to even his casket for the time being, and its 156-day half-life tells me that the activity remaining in his corpse is effectively zero.

Dwight Schrute, out.
 
2012-12-13 11:47:21 AM
In other news, coroner doesn't mean medical examiner like some idiots thought it did.
 
2012-12-13 11:55:53 AM

factoryconnection: False, Subby: Polonium-210 is an alpha emitter; alpha particles cannot penetrate much matter, maybe a few cell layers. Most of its radiation is absorbed by his cells, thus its great efficiency at killing him from head to toe. Thus there is little to no exposure to even his casket for the time being, and its 156-day half-life tells me that the activity remaining in his corpse is effectively zero.

Dwight Schrute, out.


While very informative, you are definitely a Debbie Downer this morning.
 
2012-12-13 11:56:26 AM

highendmighty: That reminds me of an old cssb -

Link


Cool Soviet Story Bro?
 
2012-12-13 11:57:23 AM

Hot Carl To Go: While very informative, you are definitely a Debbie Downer this morning.


Sorry, I read this thing about the aftermath of the Pearl Harbor attack this morning that has placed my Jimmies in a severely "rustled" status. I'm not kidding: it was just about the worst thing I've read in a while.
 
2012-12-13 11:59:07 AM
 
2012-12-13 11:59:59 AM

factoryconnection: Hot Carl To Go: While very informative, you are definitely a Debbie Downer this morning.

Sorry, I read this thing about the aftermath of the Pearl Harbor attack this morning that has placed my Jimmies in a severely "rustled" status. I'm not kidding: it was just about the worst thing I've read in a while.


You're disappointing the shiat out of us here, you know what we want to see but you keep not delivering:
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-13 12:00:36 PM
Slightly OT: Sometimes I wonder about the timing of Chavez' sudden onset of cancer. How hard would it be to slip something radioactive under someone's mattress or under their car seat?
 
2012-12-13 12:14:50 PM
Some of the local fauna is mildly disturbing.

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-12-13 12:15:46 PM

skantea: Slightly OT: Sometimes I wonder about the timing of Chavez' sudden onset of cancer. How hard would it be to slip something radioactive under someone's mattress or under their car seat?


An externally-located source could cause cancer over a long time, but one strong enough to do the trick before being discovered would also cause localized radiation burns and tissue death. That would certainly kill someone, but it wouldn't merely manifest as organ cancer. So it could work but it wouldn't be sudden.

Fark Rye For Many Whores: You're disappointing the shiat out of us here, you know what we want to see but you keep not delivering:


Or you could read it this way: with a bit of practical knowledge, someone's crack-pot attempt to start the zombie apocalypse is that much closer to success. I'm just trying to help here.
 
2012-12-13 12:18:58 PM
I didn't expect the Spanish intelligence agency.

rationalwiki.org
 
2012-12-13 12:29:46 PM

factoryconnection: Hot Carl To Go: While very informative, you are definitely a Debbie Downer this morning.

Sorry, I read this thing about the aftermath of the Pearl Harbor attack this morning that has placed my Jimmies in a severely "rustled" status. I'm not kidding: it was just about the worst thing I've read in a while.


Humans suck sometimes. Truly.
 
2012-12-13 12:31:18 PM
The part of this story that should be alarming to EVERYONE is that someone was able to safely transport Polonium-210 without detection.
 
2012-12-13 12:48:09 PM

factoryconnection: False, Subby: Polonium-210 is an alpha emitter; alpha particles cannot penetrate much matter, maybe a few cell layers. Most of its radiation is absorbed by his cells, thus its great efficiency at killing him from head to toe. Thus there is little to no exposure to even his casket for the time being, and its 156-day half-life tells me that the activity remaining in his corpse is effectively zero.

Dwight Schrute, out.


They should have used Illudium Pu-36

www.world-wide-art.com
 
2012-12-13 12:56:41 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: highendmighty: That reminds me of an old cssb -

Link

Cool Soviet Story Bro?


short story. I don't know why I thought the acronym cssb would translate to anyone else but me...
I originally read this in a collection of short stories - except the version I read must have been Americanized because it had grass growing in the shape of a cross at the end.
 
2012-12-13 01:00:47 PM
See, there are upsides! Plus, You get that cool shaved-head look without all the maintenance..
 
2012-12-13 01:10:35 PM

factoryconnection: False, Subby: Polonium-210 is an alpha emitter; alpha particles cannot penetrate much matter, maybe a few cell layers. Most of its radiation is absorbed by his cells, thus its great efficiency at killing him from head to toe. Thus there is little to no exposure to even his casket for the time being, and its 156-day half-life tells me that the activity remaining in his corpse is effectively zero.

Dwight Schrute, out.


Even if Po210 is an alpha emitter, what does it decay into? Is every nuclide in the decay chain also an alpha (and alpha only) emitter?
 
2012-12-13 01:26:05 PM

Beerguy: The part of this story that should be alarming to EVERYONE is that someone was able to safely transport Polonium-210 without detection.


Why? It's not hard at all.

How would someone detect it?
 
2012-12-13 01:42:29 PM

Beerguy: The part of this story that should be alarming to EVERYONE is that someone was able to safely transport Polonium-210 without detection.


It was detected. they had polonium everywhere. everyone the men touched, the tea shop and the cup they gave it to him and every car, building and item of clothing they wore was radioactive. It's a very interesting read.
 
2012-12-13 01:57:59 PM
Russia had no idea at the time the western world could detect alpha particles. However, it wasn't until after the incident that they even tried to detect for alpha.
 
2012-12-13 02:06:38 PM

jshine: factoryconnection: False, Subby: Polonium-210 is an alpha emitter; alpha particles cannot penetrate much matter, maybe a few cell layers. Most of its radiation is absorbed by his cells, thus its great efficiency at killing him from head to toe. Thus there is little to no exposure to even his casket for the time being, and its 156-day half-life tells me that the activity remaining in his corpse is effectively zero.

Dwight Schrute, out.

Even if Po210 is an alpha emitter, what does it decay into? Is every nuclide in the decay chain also an alpha (and alpha only) emitter?


lead-206 with only 1 of 100,000 decays resulting in a low level gamma
 
2012-12-13 02:11:36 PM

spawn73: Beerguy: The part of this story that should be alarming to EVERYONE is that someone was able to safely transport Polonium-210 without detection.

Why? It's not hard at all.

How would someone detect it?


The main hazard is its intense radioactivity (as an alpha emitter), which makes it very difficult to handle safely. Even in microgram amounts, handling 210Po is extremely dangerous, requiring specialized equipment (a negative pressure alpha glove box equipped with high performance filters), adequate monitoring, and strict handling procedures to avoid any contamination.

Who ever transported was probably farked as well. 

It was detected. they had polonium everywhere. everyone the men touched, the tea shop and the cup they gave it to him and every car, building and item of clothing they wore was radioactive. It's a very interesting read.

I meant by detected while moving it to where the poisoning took place. The source was probably in Russia and it had to be transported all the way to London. Did anyone else get sick or die due to exposure? If not, how was it transported? 

These are the alarming questions that I am talking about.
 
2012-12-13 02:24:10 PM

Beerguy: It was detected. they had polonium everywhere. everyone the men touched, the tea shop and the cup they gave it to him and every car, building and item of clothing they wore was radioactive.


Yeah I live a few roads over, I remember when they sealed the whole area off to check for Polonium. By coincidence I was also at the same venue Litvinenko's assassins were at that night which also had to be checked and tested positive for polonium. I can't believe it's 6 years ago, feels like... 5 years ago.
 
2012-12-13 02:58:05 PM

Beerguy: spawn73: Beerguy: The part of this story that should be alarming to EVERYONE is that someone was able to safely transport Polonium-210 without detection.

Why? It's not hard at all.

How would someone detect it?

The main hazard is its intense radioactivity (as an alpha emitter), which makes it very difficult to handle safely. Even in microgram amounts, handling 210Po is extremely dangerous, requiring specialized equipment (a negative pressure alpha glove box equipped with high performance filters), adequate monitoring, and strict handling procedures to avoid any contamination.

Who ever transported was probably farked as well. 

It was detected. they had polonium everywhere. everyone the men touched, the tea shop and the cup they gave it to him and every car, building and item of clothing they wore was radioactive. It's a very interesting read.

I meant by detected while moving it to where the poisoning took place. The source was probably in Russia and it had to be transported all the way to London. Did anyone else get sick or die due to exposure? If not, how was it transported? 

These are the alarming questions that I am talking about.


It was tracked on two commercial planes. No one else got sick but several people were contaminated. Some left detectable trails that were tracked. Several cars and a taxi and places were contaminated. The servers and a bartender were contaminated as was Lits wife.

Google it there's tons of info and reports out about it.
 
2012-12-13 03:23:38 PM

jshine: Even if Po210 is an alpha emitter, what does it decay into? Is every nuclide in the decay chain also an alpha (and alpha only) emitter?


Stable lead (Pb-206).

aseras: It was tracked on two commercial planes. No one else got sick but several people were contaminated. Some left detectable trails that were tracked. Several cars and a taxi and places were contaminated. The servers and a bartender were contaminated as was Lits wife.

Google it there's tons of info and reports out about it.


Alpha particles, because of their relatively high mass and charge, travel very little distance even in air while depositing a LOT of energy (~30,000 ion pairs/inch) in the process. This makes them detectable in contamination surveys but not with a stand-off detector like neutron or gamma radiation. You can place portal monitors at airports, subways, weigh stations, you name it for gamma/neutron but alpha can really only be detected by placing an alpha survey meter in very close proximity to the object in question.

Alpha contamination isn't necessarily a death sentence, just like ingestion of lead isn't. It all has to do with:
1. Concentration/activity (more radioactivity, more dose, more harm... and Po-210/Pb-206 are regular-heavy-metal toxic as well)
2. Introduction path (inside body is bad, skin/clothing contamination not so much)
3. Health of victim (a robust immune system and quick medical response makes a huge difference)
4. Chemical interactions (some elements bio-accumulate and some get flushed out; Polonium and Lead stick around)

Any detection of the sloppily-handled Polonium source was done after the fact, because monitoring our world for random alpha sources in advance would be unbelievably time consuming.
 
2012-12-13 03:31:43 PM

aseras: Beerguy: spawn73: Beerguy: The part of this story that should be alarming to EVERYONE is that someone was able to safely transport Polonium-210 without detection.

Why? It's not hard at all.

How would someone detect it?

The main hazard is its intense radioactivity (as an alpha emitter), which makes it very difficult to handle safely. Even in microgram amounts, handling 210Po is extremely dangerous, requiring specialized equipment (a negative pressure alpha glove box equipped with high performance filters), adequate monitoring, and strict handling procedures to avoid any contamination.

Who ever transported was probably farked as well. 

It was detected. they had polonium everywhere. everyone the men touched, the tea shop and the cup they gave it to him and every car, building and item of clothing they wore was radioactive. It's a very interesting read.

I meant by detected while moving it to where the poisoning took place. The source was probably in Russia and it had to be transported all the way to London. Did anyone else get sick or die due to exposure? If not, how was it transported? 

These are the alarming questions that I am talking about.

It was tracked on two commercial planes. No one else got sick but several people were contaminated. Some left detectable trails that were tracked. Several cars and a taxi and places were contaminated. The servers and a bartender were contaminated as was Lits wife.

Google it there's tons of info and reports out about it.


aseras: Beerguy: spawn73: Beerguy: The part of this story that should be alarming to EVERYONE is that someone was able to safely transport Polonium-210 without detection.

Why? It's not hard at all.

How would someone detect it?

The main hazard is its intense radioactivity (as an alpha emitter), which makes it very difficult to handle safely. Even in microgram amounts, handling 210Po is extremely dangerous, requiring specialized equipment (a negative pressure alpha glove box equipped with high performance filters), adequate monitoring, and strict handling procedures to avoid any contamination.

Who ever transported was probably farked as well. 

It was detected. they had polonium everywhere. everyone the men touched, the tea shop and the cup they gave it to him and every car, building and item of clothing they wore was radioactive. It's a very interesting read.

I meant by detected while moving it to where the poisoning took place. The source was probably in Russia and it had to be transported all the way to London. Did anyone else get sick or die due to exposure? If not, how was it transported? 

These are the alarming questions that I am talking about.

It was tracked on two commercial planes. No one else got sick but several people were contaminated. Some left detectable trails that were tracked. Several cars and a taxi and places were contaminated. The servers and a bartender were contaminated as was Lits wife.

Google it there's tons of info and reports out about it.


You are missing my point....at the time when this happened, you couldn't get on a plane with a so much as a souvenir snow-globe and yet someone was able to move radioactive farking isotopes from Russia to London including using not one but two commercial planes without being detected until days after the event.  That is the scary part...think about it.
 
2012-12-13 05:27:22 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: highendmighty: That reminds me of an old cssb -

Link

Cool Soviet Story Bro?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-14 11:11:24 AM
Reminds me of the old movie D.O.A. where they poisoned the lead character with iridium. He was a dead man walking trying to figure out who killed him before he croaked.

www.eskimo.com

/What do you mean "I don't look murdered?"
 
2012-12-14 12:42:54 PM
Wasn't this the same thing that happened to the president of Ukraine? Or did it turn out that he was faking that?
 
2012-12-15 08:01:57 AM

phyrkrakr: Wasn't this the same thing that happened to the president of Ukraine? Or did it turn out that he was faking that?


Definetely faking

newsimg.bbc.co.uk
 
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