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(Baltimore Sun)   Maryland highway administration explains why cameras write "work zone" speeding tickets when no workers are present: cameras are not for worker safety   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 99
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2012-12-13 10:02:12 AM  

iheartscotch: Carn: JosephFinn: Oh! Oh! Oh! Is it BECAUSE IT'S A DAMN WORK ZONE WITH EQUIPMENT AND HORSESHOES EVEN WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND?

God, speeders will find any justification for their bad behavior.

It's a work zone with no workers and no work being done. Kinda like parkway vs driveway?

Yeah, no; just because you don't see anyone working doesn't signify that there isn't anyone working. A work zone is a work zone 24 hours a day for that reason. They do a lot of things at night when there are less cars passing by. Blasting is almost exclusively done at night. Some work zones are only active at night.


He said "when no one is around", hence, my joke. I stand by everything I said about safety. Quietly tracking people's speed and then sending them a letter a couple days later does not make them slow down in the moment. A cop car with lights on sure as shiat does.
 
2012-12-13 10:05:47 AM  

iheartscotch


Yeah, no; just because you don't see anyone working doesn't signify that there isn't anyone working. A work zone is a work zone 24 hours a day for that reason. They do a lot of things at night when there are less cars passing by. Blasting is almost exclusively done at night. Some work zones are only active at night.


Actually that's exactly what it means. The 'work zone' idea is there (ostensibly) to keep the workers safe. No workers present = no work being done.

If they're working at night there is no reason to treat the location as a work zone during the day. A lot of school zones already work like this: no kids in school = no school zone.
 
2012-12-13 10:06:59 AM  
Because catching real criminals is hard work.
 
2012-12-13 10:08:37 AM  
Somehow I drive down 695 through several major construction zones every day and have been doing this for months and for some reason have not gotten a ticket.

Could it be that perhaps I, like almost everyone around me, slows down in the places where the cameras and signs are plastered everywhere? The only people that get caught are what I assume to be idiots who didn't see the signs and such and just blow through. I get a good chuckle every time I see one of those flashes.

Also, as a side note. They have construction workers out there early in the morning, in evening rush hour and even at like 3-4 in the morning. Sometimes at this place, sometimes that. Sometimes with lane closures on the opposite lanes they were early today.
So yea, I kinda see why they want people to slow down and have no tears for the people getting caught.

It's a few MPH slower for a brief area, deal with it.
 
2012-12-13 10:10:03 AM  
As someone who probably drives the speed limit 90% of the time, people driving even slower are way more of a common nuisance than speeders.
 
2012-12-13 10:13:58 AM  
For fark's sake, people, just drive the goddamn posted speed limit. Don't like the "revenue generators"? Think they're imposing Orwellian oversight onto your God-given right as an American to do whatever you damn well please? Let's look at some numbers.

Say the normal speed of traffic along a 5-mile stretch of road is 75 mph. At that speed, it would take 240 seconds to travel those 5 miles. If that 5-mile stretch of road were under construction, with a posted speed limit of 55 mph, it would now take 325 seconds to travel those 5 miles. This means that slowing down to the posted limit increases your drive time by 85 seconds.

85 FARKING SECONDS!

If it helps quell the rage, look at it this way: If driving for 85 seconds longer saves you a $50 citation, that's equivalent to a job which pays over $2000/hr.
 
2012-12-13 10:15:55 AM  

thurstonxhowell: styckx: Are they seriously dumping a speed camera out on an interstate where 65mph is the speed limit and EVERY-SINGLE-PERSON is going over it and ticketing every single person that passes the camera? Seems overly dickish.

It's a work zone, so everyone around knows that there's likely to be a camera. They slow down accordingly. Also, the cameras don't ticket until you're 10 or more over., so you can still do 74 in that 65 mph zone and be just fine.


That's perfectly reasonable then.
 
2012-12-13 10:16:34 AM  

JosephFinn: Oh! Oh! Oh! Is it BECAUSE IT'S A DAMN WORK ZONE WITH EQUIPMENT AND HORSESHOES EVEN WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND?

God, speeders will find any justification for their bad behavior.


Why are people playing horseshoes in a construction site?
 
2012-12-13 10:16:36 AM  

tuxq: I'm all for speed cameras, especially in Work Zones and School Zones. Have you ever been on a construction site on the side of the road and had people pass you at highway speeds? It's ridiculous.


When there are workers actually working near the traffic path I have no problem with slowing them down. In my experience this is the minority of work zones, though. I have even encountered a "work zone" with absolutely no construction visible. (The actual work was on the other side of the road and the road split around a rocky knoll at there.)

As for school zones--they should be banned for safety's sake. The problem is that they teach kids that cars will stop for them. The result is things like a high profile case here some years back, a 13? year old started across the school zone without ensuring it was clear. It was 2 minutes before the lights came on.

This text is now purple: ZAZ: pag1107: I've always thought running one of those little white camera jeeps would make a great 2nd job. Sit there all evening reading a magazine or newspaper or book.

A guy in Arizona shot and killed a speed camera van occupant.

and nothing of value was lost.


The windshield has no value?

iheartscotch: Yeah, no; just because you don't see anyone working doesn't signify that there isn't anyone working. A work zone is a work zone 24 hours a day for that reason. They do a lot of things at night when there are less cars passing by. Blasting is almost exclusively done at night. Some work zones are only active at night.


If there aren't any crews there and the lanes aren't being messed with there is no justification for a reduced speed limit.

Knucklepopper: The cameras are set for travel 12 mph over the speed limit. That is more than enough of a cushion. If cameras were truly only for revenue, they would be set to trigger at a lower speed.


The invisible construction I mentioned earlier in this post involved speed limits that were reduced 40mph.

DON.MAC: There are some cameras on a new highway around here that seem to issue the same number of tickets every day even when they drop the speed limit by 20% but the cameras aren't set to the lower limit. There have been a few attempts to fix problem with the cameras in the past which would result in serious drops in the number of citations yet they claim the things have always worked correctly. The best part of the mess is that the camera operator has a contract that says if the state pulls the camera, they are due their cut of the revenue they would have earned which turns out to be three quarters of a billion dollars over 30 years.


Revenue protection contracts like that should be banned and existing ones voided.
 
2012-12-13 10:17:01 AM  

JosephFinn: God, speeders will find any justification for their bad behavior.


Does the whooshing sound of points going over your head ever get old, or are you able to tune it out?
 
2012-12-13 10:18:09 AM  

Killahertz: For fark's sake, people, just drive the goddamn posted speed limit. Don't like the "revenue generators"? Think they're imposing Orwellian oversight onto your God-given right as an American to do whatever you damn well please? Let's look at some numbers.

Say the normal speed of traffic along a 5-mile stretch of road is 75 mph. At that speed, it would take 240 seconds to travel those 5 miles. If that 5-mile stretch of road were under construction, with a posted speed limit of 55 mph, it would now take 325 seconds to travel those 5 miles. This means that slowing down to the posted limit increases your drive time by 85 seconds.

85 FARKING SECONDS!

If it helps quell the rage, look at it this way: If driving for 85 seconds longer saves you a $50 citation, that's equivalent to a job which pays over $2000/hr.




It's not about saving time. I like to drive fast. You don't, then get out of the way and don't cause problems by slowing people down on purpose. Plus, getting stuck at traffic lights that are timed to speed and distance increases commute time dramatically. My commut can take 20 minutes, or it can take an HOUR. That's not 85 farking seconds.


Speed up or get out of the way.
 
2012-12-13 10:18:44 AM  
I should have said it's not JUST about saving time. Derp.
 
2012-12-13 10:19:35 AM  
So all those speeders called ahead to see if any workers and/or equipment was present?

Some times there really are people there at night. There is also equipment. And there is a damn sign that gives the speed limit.
 
2012-12-13 10:19:51 AM  
Let's "DO THE MATH" on how much of my life is wasted on the road behind people who can't KEEP UP WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.

On second thought, let's not. It's too depressing.
 
2012-12-13 10:20:14 AM  

lordjupiter: Which means they are essentially just sneakily lowering the speed limit to levels even below the "safe" range for extended periods of time, and ticketing people via cameras and the mail.


RedFlex has paid for some research showing that 3 km/hr (almost 2 mph) over the limit is deadly and now the state of Victoria used that research to set the enforcement limits at 3%. It has done great things for their bottom line, increased congestion and caused more accidents and deaths on the roads.
 
2012-12-13 10:20:57 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: So all those speeders called ahead to see if any workers and/or equipment was present?

Some times there really are people there at night. There is also equipment. And there is a damn sign that gives the speed limit.




Assume much?  Read the article?
 
2012-12-13 10:26:37 AM  

lordjupiter: It's not about saving time. I like to drive fast. You don't, then get out of the way and don't cause problems by slowing people down on purpose. Plus, getting stuck at traffic lights that are timed to speed and distance increases commute time dramatically. My commut can take 20 minutes, or it can take an HOUR. That's not 85 farking seconds.


People tend to underestimate how bad stop lights screw up traffic flow. The local traffic department decided that all traffic lights now need a protected turn so as they were busy installing these, people became so used to not having to think about turning across traffic that the accident rates for that type of wreck when way up. The protected turn lights screw up traffic flow by compounding travel time at 85%. I like to describe it as a bank loan going from 55% to 85% except it is stealing the time of every driver on the road.
 
2012-12-13 10:29:21 AM  
"four out of five injuries that take place in work zones are to the motorists themselves."

See! It's for your safety, citizen!
Don't touch the probulator. Interfering with the probulator can be construed as obstruction of justice, citizen.
 
2012-12-13 10:31:17 AM  

DON.MAC: lordjupiter: It's not about saving time. I like to drive fast. You don't, then get out of the way and don't cause problems by slowing people down on purpose. Plus, getting stuck at traffic lights that are timed to speed and distance increases commute time dramatically. My commut can take 20 minutes, or it can take an HOUR. That's not 85 farking seconds.

People tend to underestimate how bad stop lights screw up traffic flow. The local traffic department decided that all traffic lights now need a protected turn so as they were busy installing these, people became so used to not having to think about turning across traffic that the accident rates for that type of wreck when way up. The protected turn lights screw up traffic flow by compounding travel time at 85%. I like to describe it as a bank loan going from 55% to 85% except it is stealing the time of every driver on the road.




I think there might be research (if you can find any that's non-biased) showing increases in certain types of accidents at intersections with red light cameras. People jam on their brakes to avoid risking a ticket, and they get rear-ended. This is a topic that's been discussed for years, and some of us predicted it. Camera enforcement is not always the answer.

In MD we have a law against hand-held cell phone use. But people still do it EVERYWHERE. That's the real hazard on the road. Hell, even talking on a bluetooth is still as distracting as talking on a hand-held, and is different from talking to someone in the car.

When there's a line of cars backed up behind some slow farker in the fast lane, 9 times out of 10 in MD it's someone yapping on a phone. THAT is causing more of a hazard than going 12mph over speed limits that were set during the energy crisis 30-40 years ago, and do not necessarily represent the REAL "safe speed" for travel.
 
2012-12-13 10:35:48 AM  
Forgot to mention in the last post that cameras do nothing to stop "distracted drivers". Focus on in-person enforcement of THAT law if you're going to do anything.

A line of evenly spaced cars doing 75mph in a 55mph straightaway highway (if you're lucky and it's not bumper to bumper) is less of a hazard than the guy doing 55 in the passing lane while yapping on his phone, with other cars zig-zagging around him as he creates a passing lane on his right, and people taking unnecessary risks to make their exits. Then of course this guy eventually has to make a similar risky move and always cuts someone off because he's not paying attention.

Stop that guy, not the guy who can handle his car and is prepared for evasive action if a truck throws a retread or a deer jumps out or something.
 
2012-12-13 10:39:16 AM  

destrip: It's painfully obvious what they're for. If speed was a real issue, they'd deploy measures to encourage people to slow down at the moment (rumble strips, an unoccupied cop car parked in the construction zone, a "your speed" radar sign, etc.), not something that sends them a ticket in the mail weeks after. And why wouldn't they leave them on 24/7? Would you shut off a camera if it was raking in thousands in free money each day?

These things should be illegal. Period. If a place needs speed enforcement, put a cop there.


One of the things I like about the Michigan State Police is they sit there on the median, with their lights on to help mark work zones. They also have a radar gun out and well if you're dumb enough to speed past the cruiser, you deserve what comes next.
 
2012-12-13 10:42:31 AM  
Lots of people seem to think these cameras are infallible, but there's plenty of instances of them making provable errors, and there's no real incentive to get it right. In fact, the opposite is true. The incentives are all wrong - in many cases, both the jurisdiction and the operator see revenue only when tickets are issued. If you want to convince people these are truly safety devices, render them revenue neutral. Simply require the operator to work on a fixed fee basis (and bid it out), and then require the jurisdiction to issue actual tax refunds (not simply credits, but honest to god payments) equal to the amount of revenue collected minus the cost of operating the cameras and the costs of preparing and sending the aforementioned payments. In an instant, safety becomes the paramount issue (leaving alone the idea that some jurisdictions use speed traps to fund local governments at the expense of non-residents).
 
2012-12-13 10:49:22 AM  

lordjupiter: I think there might be research (if you can find any that's non-biased) showing increases in certain types of accidents at intersections with red light cameras.


There seems to be some unbiased research showing they work in Australia but that has more to do with how states put in cameras. The major cities are all in the middle of states and very far away from any other city so you don't have many out of state drivers in any high density area. That avoids the problems that are common in the US where one city puts in cameras yet the next city over has timing that encourages people to run lights resulting in the type of accidents your talking about.
 
2012-12-13 10:51:02 AM  

Loomy: Joshua5: From the article:

But Tabacek says the state always wants people slowing down in work zones. Also, he said, "four out of five injuries that take place in work zones are to the motorists themselves."

So its for our safety during times when workers are not present.


Well, that seems fair. Often one'll find lanes move around (with pylons directing the flow), and the pavement conditions can vary wildly. So, I can see the argument. Plus: Hey, free money!

/Only took 15 comments for someone to read the article - not bad, considering this'll probably top 200


This is pretty much it. But carry on with outrage.
 
2012-12-13 10:53:54 AM  
One time while driving through Kentucky, I saw the best solution ever for this problem: at the beginning of the work zone there was a traffic signal. If it was red, there were workers present and the speed reduced. If it was green you were free to pass through at regular speed.

Why the fark can't they do this everywhere? Because it makes too much sense, I guess.
 
2012-12-13 11:14:02 AM  
they throw one orange cone on the shoulder, call it a work zone and they can double the fees.
 
2012-12-13 11:20:16 AM  
That's not fair. Speed limits should be optional. I have rights.
 
2012-12-13 11:37:51 AM  
How come police now harrass and extort their citizens instead of protecting and serving them?
 
2012-12-13 11:44:58 AM  

lordjupiter: Killahertz: For fark's sake, people, just drive the goddamn posted speed limit. Don't like the "revenue generators"? Think they're imposing Orwellian oversight onto your God-given right as an American to do whatever you damn well please? Let's look at some numbers.

Say the normal speed of traffic along a 5-mile stretch of road is 75 mph. At that speed, it would take 240 seconds to travel those 5 miles. If that 5-mile stretch of road were under construction, with a posted speed limit of 55 mph, it would now take 325 seconds to travel those 5 miles. This means that slowing down to the posted limit increases your drive time by 85 seconds.

85 FARKING SECONDS!

If it helps quell the rage, look at it this way: If driving for 85 seconds longer saves you a $50 citation, that's equivalent to a job which pays over $2000/hr.



It's not about saving time. I like to drive fast. You don't, then get out of the way and don't cause problems by slowing people down on purpose. Plus, getting stuck at traffic lights that are timed to speed and distance increases commute time dramatically. My commut can take 20 minutes, or it can take an HOUR. That's not 85 farking seconds.


Speed up or get out of the way.


Emotionally, I agree with you. I like to drive fast. Most speed limits are well below the speed that a person with normal reflexes could drive drive safely, even if there was construction. This is the reason most people drive above the speed limit (including about 90% of the cops). Some people are a bit slow by nature and need that extra reaction time and others are willing to follow rules unquestioningly and those people can stay in the slow lane. Most motorists can't help but recognize that unless you're going insanely fast or are distracted or aggressive, driving over the speed limit is not inherently unsafe.

However, I now have a long highway commute and there are quite a few cops along it so I've been forced to drive slower. I'll admit my commute is actually not much longer. It's painfully boring, but it's not much longer.
 
2012-12-13 11:45:55 AM  

turboke: Because catching real criminals is hard work.


catching real criminals doesn't pay well for the Cities. All the revenue and jobs are for the corrections industry, not Law Enforcement.

DeathCipris: "four out of five injuries that take place in work zones are to the motorists themselves."

See! It's for your safety, citizen!
Don't touch the probulator. Interfering with the probulator can be construed as obstruction of justice, citizen.


Ya ever notice that when laws are made to protect the citizens, it isn't good for the citizen? Tickets shouldn't be handed out at all until the driver actually causes a problem in the work zone. Ticketing at 12 mph over when there's work or traffic to deal with is asinine when It's only 2mph over the regular speed limit. And farming out law enforcement duties to some private company is just wrong.
 
2012-12-13 11:49:17 AM  
"Your Honor, is the camera in question in court today to answer questions as per law?"

All states require the Officer who operates the radar gun to be in court on his court day.
 
2012-12-13 11:50:28 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: iheartscotch

Yeah, no; just because you don't see anyone working doesn't signify that there isn't anyone working. A work zone is a work zone 24 hours a day for that reason. They do a lot of things at night when there are less cars passing by. Blasting is almost exclusively done at night. Some work zones are only active at night.


Actually that's exactly what it means. The 'work zone' idea is there (ostensibly) to keep the workers safe. No workers present = no work being done.

If they're working at night there is no reason to treat the location as a work zone during the day. A lot of school zones already work like this: no kids in school = no school zone.


I was saying that it is easy to miss seeing someone at highway speeds. Also, sometimes there is a good reason to slow down; namely, successful navigation of the work zone. I'll give you an example; sometimes when a bridge is being worked on; there is only one lane open. That lane is controlled by a stoplight. You should, probably, slow down in that case. Another example is; sometimes a project requires miles of head to head traffic on a road that is normally divided. You should, probably, slowdown in that case. Also, a work zone is a work zone, even if you don't see anyone; because, if they removed the cones and such every day, someone would attempt to drive over a half completed bridge and get themselves killed.
 
2012-12-13 11:59:41 AM  

Carn: iheartscotch: Carn: JosephFinn: Oh! Oh! Oh! Is it BECAUSE IT'S A DAMN WORK ZONE WITH EQUIPMENT AND HORSESHOES EVEN WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND?

God, speeders will find any justification for their bad behavior.

It's a work zone with no workers and no work being done. Kinda like parkway vs driveway?

Yeah, no; just because you don't see anyone working doesn't signify that there isn't anyone working. A work zone is a work zone 24 hours a day for that reason. They do a lot of things at night when there are less cars passing by. Blasting is almost exclusively done at night. Some work zones are only active at night.

He said "when no one is around", hence, my joke. I stand by everything I said about safety. Quietly tracking people's speed and then sending them a letter a couple days later does not make them slow down in the moment. A cop car with lights on sure as shiat does.


Agreed. My humor detector ran out of batteries.
 
2012-12-13 12:09:06 PM  

Mikeyworld: turboke:

DeathCipris: See! It's for your safety, citizen!

Ticketing at 12 mph over when there's [edit] no [unedit] work or traffic to deal with is asinine when It's only 2mph over the regular speed limit. And farming out law enforcement duties to some private company is just wrong.

 

/I must learn to preview and/or proofread
//soon
 
2012-12-13 12:12:56 PM  
What they meant to say was...

Camera$ are not for worker$ $afety.
$o $TFU and $hovel over the ca$h.
 
2012-12-13 12:22:31 PM  
I'd like someone who thinks speed cameras are a safety device to explain this to me:

If the idea is to reduce the overall speed of traffic, why are the speed cameras clearly pointed out? Wouldn't it make more sense to hide them, and vary their position, so that one doesn't know where they are, and that speeding anywhere could land you a ticket?

If you clearly mark them, the only people who are going to get caught are the ones not paying attention, and the camera does nothing to them at the time of ticketing to make them slow down, they will continue to drive down the road blissfully unaware of their surroundings.

Here is my morning commute: driving in traffic with people going 85+ mph down I-70 for 20 miles, traffic slows to under 55mph as everyone goes passed the speed camera, traffic resumes going 85+ mph about 1/8 of a mile after the camera and continues that way for the last 20 miles.
 
2012-12-13 12:23:52 PM  

prjindigo: "Your Honor, is the camera in question in court today to answer questions as per law?"

All states require the Officer who operates the radar gun to be in court on his court day.


In Ohio, the tickets are classified as "fees" instead of "fines". It's administrative, not criminal, and therefore the camera and the people who allegedly run the things never have to appear in court. They tried making it if you have two unpaid tickets they would tow your car, but I believe that got overthrown. Meanwhile, if you only get one ticket, you never actually have to pay the damn thing. Because it's an administrative fee, they can't do anything to you for not paying it. That's why they had the tow option in there for a while.

At least that's the way it is here in arse-backwards Dayton.
 
2012-12-13 12:27:30 PM  

JosephFinn: Oh! Oh! Oh! Is it BECAUSE IT'S A DAMN WORK ZONE WITH EQUIPMENT AND HORSESHOES EVEN WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND?

God, speeders will find any justification for their bad behavior.


Ladies and gents, may I present to you the HOLE of the thread.
 
2012-12-13 12:40:40 PM  

NumberFiveIsAlive: prjindigo: "Your Honor, is the camera in question in court today to answer questions as per law?"

All states require the Officer who operates the radar gun to be in court on his court day.

In Ohio, the tickets are classified as "fees" instead of "fines". It's administrative, not criminal, and therefore the camera and the people who allegedly run the things never have to appear in court. They tried making it if you have two unpaid tickets they would tow your car, but I believe that got overthrown. Meanwhile, if you only get one ticket, you never actually have to pay the damn thing. Because it's an administrative fee, they can't do anything to you for not paying it. That's why they had the tow option in there for a while.

At least that's the way it is here in arse-backwards Dayton.


Maryland treats speed/red light cameras differently, your registration can be suspended for non-payment.
 
2012-12-13 12:55:19 PM  
A speed camera took a picture of my car at midnight while I was near Gaithersburg, MD on I-270 on my way to Colonial Williamsburg, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

/No ticket.
//It's been two months...
 
2012-12-13 01:00:21 PM  

diabloninja: NumberFiveIsAlive: prjindigo: "Your Honor, is the camera in question in court today to answer questions as per law?"

All states require the Officer who operates the radar gun to be in court on his court day.

In Ohio, the tickets are classified as "fees" instead of "fines". It's administrative, not criminal, and therefore the camera and the people who allegedly run the things never have to appear in court. They tried making it if you have two unpaid tickets they would tow your car, but I believe that got overthrown. Meanwhile, if you only get one ticket, you never actually have to pay the damn thing. Because it's an administrative fee, they can't do anything to you for not paying it. That's why they had the tow option in there for a while.

At least that's the way it is here in arse-backwards Dayton.

Maryland treats speed/red light cameras differently, your registration can be suspended for non-payment.


That's the criminal "fine" vs. the administrative "fee" part. Wording is everything. Maryland is apparently more willing to enforce the revenue grab.

On the other hand, Ohio is corrupt and incompetent at the same time, and they probably just signed the contracts that give nearly all the money to the company. These cameras do only exist at high traffic intersections, and not necessarily the most dangerous ones.
 
2012-12-13 02:15:00 PM  

lordjupiter: Knucklepopper: HindiDiscoMonster: tuxq: Carn: JosephFinn: Oh! Oh! Oh! Is it BECAUSE IT'S A DAMN WORK ZONE WITH EQUIPMENT AND HORSESHOES EVEN WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND?

God, speeders will find any justification for their bad behavior.

It's a work zone with no workers and no work being done. Kinda like parkway vs driveway?

Since road construction has no set hours of the day, how exactly do you propose the speed cameras work? How inconvenient is it for people to do 55mph instead of 65? Honestly.

What is more dangerous?

1: Driving slower than the majority of motorists around you, thereby forcing the flow of traffic around you
2: Driving at a similar pace as the traffic around you

/cameras are for revenue, not safety

The cameras are set for travel 12 mph over the speed limit. That is more than enough of a cushion. If cameras were truly only for revenue, they would be set to trigger at a lower speed.



The level is set because of calibration and legal concerns. It's not worth fighting over a few mph over the speed limit for those reasons.

My wife has been caught twice around 9pm on I-695 and she was only going 65mph, which is less than the 12mph cushion. It seems that they're imposing the reduced speed limit rules for the work zone when no work is going on there in addition to the general enforcement measures associated with speeding in a work zone.

Which means they are essentially just sneakily lowering the speed limit to levels even below the "safe" range for extended periods of time, and ticketing people via cameras and the mail.

fark that. This is about revenue.


While mistakes will always happen and I enjoy your anecdotal evidence, the fact remains that there is in fact a 12 mph cushion. If you can't travel at less than, say, 10 mph above the speed limit, you need to leave your house earlier. Also, your wife is lying to you.
 
2012-12-13 02:18:28 PM  

Loren: The invisible construction I mentioned earlier in this post involved speed limits that were reduced 40mph.


Holy shiat, people. Slow down in construction zones! The lanes are usually barricaded to the sides, there's less room for error, slow down! It ain't hard.
 
2012-12-13 02:19:59 PM  

prjindigo: "Your Honor, is the camera in question in court today to answer questions as per law?"

All states require the Officer who operates the radar gun to be in court on his court day.


Yeah, they probably missed that exceedingly obvious point and invalidated the whole thing. That sounds reasonable. I can see you've done extensive research on this.
 
2012-12-13 02:38:16 PM  

Knucklepopper: Loren: The invisible construction I mentioned earlier in this post involved speed limits that were reduced 40mph.

Holy shiat, people. Slow down in construction zones! The lanes are usually barricaded to the sides, there's less room for error, slow down! It ain't hard.


THIS

From the NYS Thruway website, a little plain old common horse sense:

"Always keep in mind that construction zones can be busy places, with people and equipment on the move. Work is routinely performed very close to passing traffic. Drifting from the lane, even for a split second, could be dangerous.

Obey the posted speed limits in these areas and remember that speeding fines are doubled in work zones. Most importantly, always remember to buckle seat belts."

You will note there is NO mention of whether workers are present or not.

They DO post signage (in NY at least) concerning work zone fines are doubled, repeat offenders will be severly punished, and injuring/killing a worker is a BIG felony.
 
2012-12-13 03:23:18 PM  

G.I.R.B.: You will note there is NO mention of whether workers are present or not.


To be fair, there is. You'll find the word "people" which means workers are present, and it says "work is routinely performed," which means that workers are present performing the work.

It's fine to argue that the speed should be reduced even if no workers are present, but it's not ok to pretend that your quote doesn't mention workers being present.
 
2012-12-13 03:51:35 PM  

jack21221: G.I.R.B.: You will note there is NO mention of whether workers are present or not.

To be fair, there is. You'll find the word "people" which means workers are present, and it says "work is routinely performed," which means that workers are present performing the work.

It's fine to argue that the speed should be reduced even if no workers are present, but it's not ok to pretend that your quote doesn't mention workers being present.


My bad.
 
2012-12-13 05:33:32 PM  
Here's a fun thing I've been watching: on Interstate 270 between DC and Frederick, Maryland, there's a work zone that usually has one of the speed jeeps nearly all the time. Oddly, they never shoot the inbound traffic in the morning and almost never shoot the outbound traffic in the evening. Instead, they shoot the freer-flowing lanes, knowing the traffic-laden lanes will almost certainly be well under the speed limit (or completely stopped at times), so no free money for them.

Another fun thing: about 1/10 mile BEFORE the speed jeep, they have one of those radar-equipped speed displays ("YOUR SPEED: XXXXX". The limit is 50.

They consistently and chronically register about 15% LOW. Meaning people cruise past them, the thing says "YOUR SPEED: 48" and 1/10 mile later, the lights flash behind you and they send you a ticket. Both northbound and southbound have these, and I have clocked myself on GPS at least a half dozen times, and when I'm doing 50 according to GPS, it tells me I'm doing 43 or 44. People going past me, doing what the sign just told them is 50, get popped because they're really doing 58 or 59 (sensible, because other than this work zone, the limit is 65).

Someone should paintball the shiat out of them.
 
2012-12-13 05:35:40 PM  
At least Pennsylvania changed their work-zone tickets and signage to indicate "FINE DOUBLED WHEN WORKERS PRESENT." As anyone who's been in Pennsylvania during construction season knows, Pennsylvania routinely blocks off eight or ten or even 20 MILES of a lane when they're actually working on maybe 200 feet of it in the middle somewhere.
 
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