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(Talking Points Memo)   Eric Holder suggests that maybe, just maybe, it's time that we have a national, unified voting standard so Florida doesn't keep farking up every single election   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 104
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2012-12-13 08:10:57 AM
But, but, but.. States Rights!
 
2012-12-13 08:15:02 AM
Somehow I read that as Eric Cantor and assumed that the new standard would be that only white male land owners would be allowed to vote... you know, like the founding fathers wanted.
 
2012-12-13 08:20:38 AM
Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.
 
2012-12-13 08:23:16 AM

Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.


The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up

/I don't trust e-voting
//Real paper trails FTW
 
2012-12-13 08:25:34 AM
Because that's just what every of the hundred of thousands of races for school board, county comptroller and village dogcatcher need is more federal involvement.

This won't turn into an insanely expensive, unwieldy train wreck at all.

First, before any more grandiose plans out of Washington, make Election Day a holiday and pull Columbus Day off the calendar.
 
2012-12-13 08:27:41 AM

Gulper Eel: Because that's just what every of the hundred of thousands of races for school board, county comptroller and village dogcatcher need is more federal involvement.

This won't turn into an insanely expensive, unwieldy train wreck at all.

First, before any more grandiose plans out of Washington, make Election Day a holiday and pull Columbus Day off the calendar.


so focus on presidential elections only. Only happens once every four years and the state elections, they don't touch except to enforce voting rights laws
 
2012-12-13 08:33:08 AM

somedude210: Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.

The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up

/I don't trust e-voting
//Real paper trails FTW


Yes. Because printing a receipt for who you just voted for is too hard a technology to employ.

Cripes, if we can get a farking receipt for that Starbucks half double decaffeinated half-caf, with a twist of lemon coffee we just ordered, we can get one for a voting machine.
 
2012-12-13 08:34:23 AM

somedude210: Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.

The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up

/I don't trust e-voting
//Real paper trails FTW


I think you missed what he was actually saying. It took me a couple of reads too.
 
2012-12-13 08:40:21 AM

BunkyBrewman: somedude210: Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.

The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up

/I don't trust e-voting
//Real paper trails FTW

Yes. Because printing a receipt for who you just voted for is too hard a technology to employ.

Cripes, if we can get a farking receipt for that Starbucks half double decaffeinated half-caf, with a twist of lemon coffee we just ordered, we can get one for a voting machine.


Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.
 
2012-12-13 08:40:41 AM
There should be 24 hour voting as well. From say midnight to midnight EST for all time zones.
 
2012-12-13 08:41:31 AM

Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.


Hey, FU asswit. Washington State had vote by mail with a 4 week open window, and we also had a paper trail AND 81% turnout of registered voters.

It isn't so damn difficult. You just put competent and non criminal people in charge.

Don't want a national mandate, we're doing just fine out here. Dumbasses back east can keep screwing the pooch, but if you guys drag us down to your level that would really suck.
 
2012-12-13 08:43:08 AM

Gulper Eel: Because that's just what every of the hundred of thousands of races for school board, county comptroller and village dogcatcher need is more federal involvement.

This won't turn into an insanely expensive, unwieldy train wreck at all.

First, before any more grandiose plans out of Washington, make Election Day a holiday and pull Columbus Day off the calendar.


Federal elections, federal standards. You want to require 3 forms of ID and a notarized note from your first grade teacher to vote for school board? Knock yourself out.
 
2012-12-13 08:43:22 AM
Has anyone noticed yet that the only states with "Trouble" on election day are either

1) Republican controlled, or

2) Full of blind old retirees who can't figure anything out?
 
2012-12-13 08:43:37 AM

somedude210: Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.

The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up

/I don't trust e-voting
//Real paper trails FTW


Also a Masshole... Never seem to have problems here with our fill the oval system.
 
2012-12-13 08:44:09 AM
Hey, let's not let Ohio off the hook here.
 
2012-12-13 08:45:00 AM

BunkyBrewman: somedude210: Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.

The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up

/I don't trust e-voting
//Real paper trails FTW

Yes. Because printing a receipt for who you just voted for is too hard a technology to employ.

Cripes, if we can get a farking receipt for that Starbucks half double decaffeinated half-caf, with a twist of lemon coffee we just ordered, we can get one for a voting machine.


Of course we CAN, but there's a good reason that it is illegal to do it.

/not defending the current state of voting machines
 
2012-12-13 08:45:10 AM
That's just what the UN wants us to do. Makes it easier for them to rig our elections.
 
2012-12-13 08:45:10 AM
Some of you are responding too Fast and Furious without reading the second sentence I wrote.
 
2012-12-13 08:45:18 AM

JerseyTim: Hey, let's not let Ohio off the hook here.


Karl is that you?

www.capitalnewyork.com
 
2012-12-13 08:45:25 AM
Haha.... done in one. Feds taking away the right of the state to hold elections? No way this happens.
 
2012-12-13 08:45:46 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: BunkyBrewman: somedude210: Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.

The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up

/I don't trust e-voting
//Real paper trails FTW

Yes. Because printing a receipt for who you just voted for is too hard a technology to employ.

Cripes, if we can get a farking receipt for that Starbucks half double decaffeinated half-caf, with a twist of lemon coffee we just ordered, we can get one for a voting machine.

Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.


This.
 
2012-12-13 08:45:48 AM

Gulper Eel: Because that's just what every of the hundred of thousands of races for school board, county comptroller and village dogcatcher need is more federal involvement.


The Feds have no interest in those elections. Don't you worry, those will remain as corrupt as ever.
 
2012-12-13 08:46:34 AM
Oh, this should be good. The AG, whom Republitards already believe to be a demon incarnate, proposes to let the FEDERAL GUBMINT set standards on voting in the Presidential Election?

//Freeperville should be in flames by 10AM.
 
2012-12-13 08:47:02 AM
Suggesting standards, yes, a good start. Followup with some suggestions for standards.
 
2012-12-13 08:47:14 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: BunkyBrewman: somedude210: Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.

The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up

/I don't trust e-voting
//Real paper trails FTW

Yes. Because printing a receipt for who you just voted for is too hard a technology to employ.

Cripes, if we can get a farking receipt for that Starbucks half double decaffeinated half-caf, with a twist of lemon coffee we just ordered, we can get one for a voting machine.

Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.


why?
 
2012-12-13 08:47:25 AM

somedude210: Therion: Holder needs to propose that ALL voting is to be done electronically on Election Day only.

That's the only way we're ever going to see extended voting with a verifiable paper trail.

The problem with electronic voting is that you can very easily screw the results. Look at the "OMG, MY VOTE WENT TO OBAMA WHEN I HIT ROMNEY" stories. We still have paper ballots in MA (fill in the bubble, not punch the card) and we've never hit a snag. Maybe that will work in every state and not be a total fark up




Actually, I think that this post was based on the canard that anything the Obama administration says, the Republicans will back the opposite. So if you demand easily cheatable electronic voting machines on a very specific day, the Republicans will start allowing extended voting hours, better paper trails, etc. etc.
 
2012-12-13 08:48:17 AM
melaniekillingervowell.files.wordpress.com

Cuts fraud more than those "I Voted" stickers 

/secrit muslin voting
 
2012-12-13 08:48:17 AM

Generation_D:

It isn't so damn difficult. You just put competent and non criminal people in charge.


Well, that would pretty much solve most of our problems. Then we wouldn't even have to vote.

So apparently, it is "pretty damn difficult".
 
2012-12-13 08:50:02 AM

atomic-age: Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.

why?


Vote buying and coercion.
 
2012-12-13 08:50:23 AM

atomic-age: Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.

why?


Employer: Hey there employee, Did you vote?
Employee: Yes sir.
Employer: Let's see if you voted for the candidate that we support. Hand over your receipt.
Employee hands over receipt
Employer: Huh, it looks like you voted for that Kenyan Marxist. We told you there would be consequences for that. Clean out your desk.
 
2012-12-13 08:50:44 AM

Tax Boy: [melaniekillingervowell.files.wordpress.com image 391x325]

Cuts fraud more than those "I Voted" stickers 

/secrit muslin voting


That disenfranchises Grimace-Americans

www.catsandbeer.com
 
2012-12-13 08:51:55 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-13 08:56:35 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: atomic-age: Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.

why?

Employer: Hey there employee, Did you vote?
Employee: Yes sir.
Employer: Let's see if you voted for the candidate that we support. Hand over your receipt.
Employee hands over receipt
Employer: Huh, it looks like you voted for that Kenyan Marxist. We told you there would be consequences for that. Clean out your desk.


Such a thing is already illegal. Why would the receipt make a difference?
 
2012-12-13 08:58:21 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: atomic-age: Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.

why?

Employer: Hey there employee, Did you vote?
Employee: Yes sir.
Employer: Let's see if you voted for the candidate that we support. Hand over your receipt.
Employee hands over receipt
Employer: Huh, it looks like you voted for that Kenyan Marxist. We told you there would be consequences for that. Clean out your desk.


"AWESOME! You'll be hearing from my lawyer soon to negotiate my absurdly large lawsuit, but until then, enjoy paying me to take a vacation!"
 
2012-12-13 08:58:30 AM
I would also like to see congressional districts drawn on as symmetrical geographical lines possible, population centers permitting. Have it done at random favoring no particular ideology by a computer. It would force congress people to be more accountable to their districts populace as a whole rather than just one particular group.
 
2012-12-13 08:58:50 AM
Having a full week of voting at a polling place and/or a full month of mail-in voting would go a long way toward making sure more people vote. Making Election Day a day where all employers are obligated by law to give themselves and their employees a day off would work too, b-b-but free market and such. Of course, "making sure more people vote" is directly against GOP core values so they will fight anything Democrats propose if it gives even a single little person a slightly better chance at voting on time.
 
2012-12-13 08:59:12 AM
Well it's good to know that the second* and fourth amendments aren't the only ones that the AG disregards.



*May not apply to drug cartels
 
2012-12-13 08:59:18 AM

NateAsbestos: Philip Francis Queeg: atomic-age: Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.

why?

Employer: Hey there employee, Did you vote?
Employee: Yes sir.
Employer: Let's see if you voted for the candidate that we support. Hand over your receipt.
Employee hands over receipt
Employer: Huh, it looks like you voted for that Kenyan Marxist. We told you there would be consequences for that. Clean out your desk.

Such a thing is already illegal. Why would the receipt make a difference?


Let's see the same scene without a receipt:


Employer: Hey there employee, Did you vote?
Employee: Yes sir.
Employer: Did you voted for the candidate that we support?
Employee (lying like a bad rug): Of course sir.
Employer: Huh, well, there's no way I can check, so, carry on.
 
2012-12-13 09:00:31 AM

Gulper Eel: Because that's just what every of the hundred of thousands of races for school board, county comptroller and village dogcatcher need is more federal involvement.

This won't turn into an insanely expensive, unwieldy train wreck at all.

First, before any more grandiose plans out of Washington, make Election Day a holiday and pull Columbus Day off the calendar.


You won't hear any complaints from me about making Election Day a national holiday. But why do you presume that a national system is going to be super-expensive and an unwieldly train wreck? Several other nations have national standards and can count several million votes in one day without bankrupting their government. In contrast, we STILL have states that have not finalized their vote totals. Do you really think a national standard is going to make things demonstrably worse?
 
2012-12-13 09:02:02 AM

NateAsbestos: Philip Francis Queeg: atomic-age: Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.

why?

Employer: Hey there employee, Did you vote?
Employee: Yes sir.
Employer: Let's see if you voted for the candidate that we support. Hand over your receipt.
Employee hands over receipt
Employer: Huh, it looks like you voted for that Kenyan Marxist. We told you there would be consequences for that. Clean out your desk.

Such a thing is already illegal. Why would the receipt make a difference?


Can't you get fired for any reason your employer dreams up in right to work states?

"You're firing me because of how I voted?"

"No, you used too many pens this year. Get the fark out."
 
2012-12-13 09:03:23 AM

Coolfusis: Philip Francis Queeg: atomic-age: Having everyone walk out of the polling place with a piece of paper documenting who they voted for is a fantastically bad idea.

why?

Employer: Hey there employee, Did you vote?
Employee: Yes sir.
Employer: Let's see if you voted for the candidate that we support. Hand over your receipt.
Employee hands over receipt
Employer: Huh, it looks like you voted for that Kenyan Marxist. We told you there would be consequences for that. Clean out your desk.

"AWESOME! You'll be hearing from my lawyer soon to negotiate my absurdly large lawsuit, but until then, enjoy paying me to take a vacation!"


Employer in court: I fired the employee because of uncertainty due to the election. Plus he's a slacker. And he farks goats. His claims that he was fired due to the way he voted are baseless.
Judge: Employee, do you have any proof of your claim?
Employee: No, your honor, the statement was made verbally. And my goat farking never hurt my job performance.
Judge: Case dismissed. Employee to pay court costs.
 
2012-12-13 09:05:18 AM

NateAsbestos: Such a thing is already illegal. Why would the receipt make a difference?


Great, now prove it.
 
2012-12-13 09:07:32 AM
Just roll it back to how it used to be.

The Feds were in charge of the federal elections and the local/state ones can be as corrupt and mismanaged as they want.
 
2012-12-13 09:08:09 AM
Florida does not continuously f*ck up every election as a whole; we have people who try to change the system, force recounts, make votes appear ambiguous, etc., which makes us appear to be a clusterf*ck.
 
2012-12-13 09:08:17 AM
fta Eric Holder: Time To Consider National Voting Standards

"Consider"?

The Republicans are attacking democracy. They know they can't win with their ideas and platform, so they're attacking the process. The Democrats need to defend democracy by instituting nationwide, federal standards.
 
2012-12-13 09:08:28 AM
This oughta send the freepers over the edge.
 
2012-12-13 09:08:46 AM
Good idea in theory, but all this will end up doing is giving every state the Florida system once the GOP is back in charge. It gives them the ability to rig the states at the federal level. We're just going to have to live with the fact that we'll never get a fair election out of FL or AZ in order to preserve the integrity of the election in the states that matter.
 
2012-12-13 09:12:30 AM

heavymetal: I would also like to see congressional districts drawn on as symmetrical geographical lines possible, population centers permitting. Have it done at random favoring no particular ideology by a computer. It would force congress people to be more accountable to their districts populace as a whole rather than just one particular group.


And/or, increase the size of the House of Representatives by an order of magnitude. Smaller districts means more homogenous districts, so the representative is more likely to represent the interests of his/her constituents.
 
2012-12-13 09:12:57 AM
Holder may be on to something here, perhaps some sort of ID..........
 
2012-12-13 09:17:59 AM

Wellon Dowd: heavymetal: I would also like to see congressional districts drawn on as symmetrical geographical lines possible, population centers permitting. Have it done at random favoring no particular ideology by a computer. It would force congress people to be more accountable to their districts populace as a whole rather than just one particular group.

And/or, increase the size of the House of Representatives by an order of magnitude. Smaller districts means more homogenous districts, so the representative is more likely to represent the interests of his/her constituents.


You could also do larger districts but have multiple members represent each district. That would also likely have the advantage of blunting natural gerrymandering and pushing people to get the attention of more moderate candidates.
 
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