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(KTAR Phoenix)   On one side of the internet there's a mother who lets her son wear pink, zebra-striped shoes to school. On the other side, a top chef demands that Hasbro make a gender-neutral Easy-Bake Oven to encourage more boys to cook   (ktar.com) divider line 203
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2012-12-13 01:30:28 AM
Sam liked the shoes because they were "made out of zebras"

If the gay bashers don't get him, PETA will.
 
2012-12-13 07:41:30 AM
Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).
 
2012-12-13 08:24:00 AM

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


I forced myself to learn how to cook in my mid twenties out of necessity, and eventually learned that I find it quite enjoyable. I got tired of eating junk (frozen pizza, fast food burger places, hot pockets, little debbie snacks, and so on) and decided I missed a nice home cooked meal.

I've found it amusing that the sexist idea of a male cook, which has been around for quite a while, is suddenly found acceptable if they're a professional chef. Put a fancy hat on them, and increase their technical skill in cooking and suddenly it's 'okay' for a man to be in the kitchen.

/I'm sure I'll be flamed for that definition of a chef in this thread.
 
2012-12-13 08:38:22 AM
Learn how to cook reasonably well (without being a precious fusspot about it) and you will get laid.

If she gets picky about what you make her she's not a keeper anyway. This is my version of Sonny's Door Test.
 
2012-12-13 08:44:50 AM
I had no idea how much the Easy-Bake Oven had changed.

media.bonnint.net
 
2012-12-13 08:51:08 AM
I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.
 
2012-12-13 08:55:47 AM

Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.


When I was a little boy I think my parents were concerned that I was obsessed with a doll house I found in the basement. I loved the miniature furniture (had no use for the dolls). They replaced it by getting me into miniature trains, which I also loved. Still turned out gay as the day is long but God bless them, they tried.
 
2012-12-13 09:07:47 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.

When I was a little boy I think my parents were concerned that I was obsessed with a doll house I found in the basement. I loved the miniature furniture (had no use for the dolls). They replaced it by getting me into miniature trains, which I also loved. Still turned out gay as the day is long but God bless them, they tried.


If you had really ever wanted to fark with them, the best thing to tell them would have been that the phallic imagery of the trains is what made you gay.


Anyway, weren't Easy Bake ovens just Creepy Crawlers machines with cake pans instead of goop and molds?
 
2012-12-13 09:58:37 AM
I can cook but I'm no chef.
 
2012-12-13 10:07:58 AM
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2012-12-13 10:33:46 AM

Gulper Eel: Learn how to cook reasonably well (without being a precious fusspot about it) and you will get laid.

If she gets picky about what you make her she's not a keeper anyway. This is my version of Sonny's Door Test.


Fusspot?
 
2012-12-13 10:43:38 AM

sigdiamond2000: Gulper Eel: Learn how to cook reasonably well (without being a precious fusspot about it) and you will get laid.

If she gets picky about what you make her she's not a keeper anyway. This is my version of Sonny's Door Test.

Fusspot?


You know, a fuss-budget.
 
2012-12-13 11:01:24 AM
so yer saying both sides of the internet is gay? Damn gay mafia.
 
2012-12-13 11:01:30 AM
I imagine that's what slippers of kicking look like.
 
2012-12-13 11:01:31 AM
This sounds like the same side of the internet
 
2012-12-13 11:02:52 AM
Wait... women are supposed to be able to cook? Just a sec, I need to show this to my wife...
 
2012-12-13 11:04:37 AM
Why wouldn't a chef want to encourage learning to cook with a legitimate oven?
 
2012-12-13 11:04:53 AM

Snarfangel: sigdiamond2000: Gulper Eel: Learn how to cook reasonably well (without being a precious fusspot about it) and you will get laid.

If she gets picky about what you make her she's not a keeper anyway. This is my version of Sonny's Door Test.

Fusspot?

You know, a fuss-budget.


What year is this?
 
2012-12-13 11:05:23 AM
Good God! Everyone knows that men will only cook meat over an open fire!
Hasbro should make a Easy-Burn Fire-Pit TM.
 
2012-12-13 11:05:47 AM

Cythraul: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

I forced myself to learn how to cook in my mid twenties out of necessity, and eventually learned that I find it quite enjoyable. I got tired of eating junk (frozen pizza, fast food burger places, hot pockets, little debbie snacks, and so on) and decided I missed a nice home cooked meal.


Mum made sure I had at least one recipe under my belt before I left home. Being a chemist helped as well, since cooking is basically kitchen chemistry. (Disclaimer: I actually fairly terrible in the lab.)

I've found it amusing that the sexist idea of a male cook, which has been around for quite a while, is suddenly found acceptable if they're a professional chef. Put a fancy hat on them, and increase their technical skill in cooking and suddenly it's 'okay' for a man to be in the kitchen.

Not only that, once they get their funny hat and their chromed ovens, suddenly women aren't allowed to play anymore. Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.
 
2012-12-13 11:05:54 AM

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


Also, if we want to stay sexist on it, guys should learn how to cook because if a guy can cook well? Probably gonna get laid.
 
2012-12-13 11:05:54 AM
I don't get the pink/blue thing anyway. Pink is kind of an obnoxious color.

Also it's ok for men to cook if they're wearing an apron and standing in front of a grill outside.
 
2012-12-13 11:05:56 AM
I MUST FIND THESE SHOES!!!


/roller derby official
 
2012-12-13 11:06:11 AM

kid_icarus: (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


Its good to have long term goals
 
2012-12-13 11:06:25 AM
 
2012-12-13 11:07:56 AM

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


Yeah, these days kids are likely to see Dad cooking just as much as Mum anyway - making "girly" play-cooking equipment anachronistic.
 
2012-12-13 11:08:46 AM
I think I used my sister's easy-bake more than she did.

/if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself, and I want brownies.
 
2012-12-13 11:09:46 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.

When I was a little boy I think my parents were concerned that I was obsessed with a doll house I found in the basement. I loved the miniature furniture (had no use for the dolls). They replaced it by getting me into miniature trains, which I also loved. Still turned out gay as the day is long but God bless them, they tried.


So if you moved to Alaska, you'd be practically heterosexual in the winters, but The Duke Gaylord Supreme in the summer? And I guess if you live on the equator you're Bi or something. That's pretty neat.
 
2012-12-13 11:10:02 AM
They need to make sewing machines targeted at men. Early on in our marriage, I asked my wife if she would hem my pants. She had no clue what I was talking about.
 
2012-12-13 11:10:15 AM
First thing that came to mind when I saw the headline was Vans sneakers, then I saw that he was wearing slippers.....
 
2012-12-13 11:10:19 AM
Ovens have genders now?

Cause they're kinda on my list of "things you don't stick it in", and I'm pretty sure most little boys would agree.
 
2012-12-13 11:10:33 AM

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


That, plus the fact that girls nowadays LOVE it when guys can cook. My girlfriend is an outstanding cook, and she loves to do it (which is great for me!), but even she likes that I can make her something if she's tired/stressed/not feeling well. If you're raising your sons to not know how to cook, you're really making dating and getting married more challenging for them.
 
2012-12-13 11:10:35 AM
Easy-Bake ovens are crap. Teach your kids about real cooking; my cousin had her daughter help her make Christmas cookies this year, and the kid's still in preschool.
 
2012-12-13 11:11:03 AM
Parenting... how does it work?

Oh, that's right, give your children whatever they ask for and let them do whatever they want.

I don't understand why the mom told the kid those shoes weren't for him, but then bought him the shoes and let him wear them anyway. Because he supplied a cogent argument using the classic ninja strategy, apparently. Outwitted by a 5-year-old. Kudos, "mom"
 
2012-12-13 11:11:17 AM

Snarfangel: /The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.


And what's that mnemonic?
 
2012-12-13 11:11:55 AM
1. Clothes do not change your orientation. At most, his choice of fashion could be his way of announcing his orientation, but he is probably too young for that to be the case.

2. I think it has been a while since cooking has been considered a uniquely female activity. Most celebrity chefs are male, of my friends who cook, the males are usually the better cooks. There is nothing inherently feminine about building a flavorful and healthy meal from raw ingredients. And you get to use knives and fire...how could this be considered feminine????
 
2012-12-13 11:11:59 AM

impaler: I think I used my sister's easy-bake more than she did.

/if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself, and I want brownies.


I told your mother we shouldn't get you Uncle Milton's Pot Farm, but noooo.
 
2012-12-13 11:12:05 AM
but the boy, whose favorite animal is a zebra, replied that "ninjas can wear pink shoes too."

Hell yeah, buddy. You were whatever you want to. That kid is frickin' awesome.
 
2012-12-13 11:12:31 AM
I've always found this "waah waah equating women with cooking is sexist" thing disingenuous. Who even says that? The majority of the chefs in restaurants are males...
 
2012-12-13 11:12:44 AM

Bondith: Disclaimer: I actually fairly terrible in the lab.


Just make sure you the whole thing
 
2012-12-13 11:13:58 AM
Instead of an Easy-Bake oven, how about an Easy-Barbeque grill? That's appropriate for boys.
 
2012-12-13 11:14:30 AM

BoxOfBees: Parenting... how does it work?

Oh, that's right, give your children whatever they ask for and let them do whatever they want.

I don't understand why the mom told the kid those shoes weren't for him, but then bought him the shoes and let him wear them anyway. Because he supplied a cogent argument using the classic ninja strategy, apparently. Outwitted by a 5-year-old. Kudos, "mom"


Orrrr, she is letting him make his own choices by giving him the information he needs and letting him be accountable for the outcomes. Crazy, I know, to let a 5 year old actually make a few decisions for himself and have his own opinions and desires.
 
2012-12-13 11:14:41 AM

Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.


Weird, you're the second person to mention the resistor colour code in a thread this week. (The other was in the MNF thread).
 
2012-12-13 11:17:10 AM
I was going to buy my 5yo son an easy bake oven for christmas but ALL of the packaging is so girly, the oven itself is purple which is not a big deal but the refill packs are all in pink and I know he wouldn't like that. I was able to find boy doll accessories and a boy play kitchen, but this one item is just too sexist. Everyone cooks. End of story.
 
2012-12-13 11:17:21 AM

Uranus Megahertz: Snarfangel: /The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.

And what's that mnemonic?


The one he taught me was
Bad Boys Rape Only Young Girls, But Violet Goes Willingly. (Later on, I heard the next part, "Get Some Now!")

Or Black, Brown, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Violent, Gray, White (Gold, Silver, None for the tolerance)

Needless to say, when I took a radio class in Jr. High (with Mr. Hoffman), I was taught a tamer version, which I promptly forgot.
 
2012-12-13 11:17:37 AM

WhippingBoy: Wait... women are supposed to be able to cook? Just a sec, I need to show this to my wife...


What that means is if a woman wants to do the cooking -you best get out of the kitchen or have your meager cooking attempts sabotaged.
 
2012-12-13 11:18:23 AM
I rode my older sisters BRIGHT PINK WITH FLOWERS, BANANA SEAT, AND SISSY BAR BIKE (which is about as gay as you can get) and I'm practically a homophobe! I don't see what the fark these people have a problem with. If you think it's going to turn your little Daisey gay, chances are it wasn't the toys...
 
2012-12-13 11:18:38 AM
First off, is that an oven or a clock radio?

I completely agree that it should be in gender neutral colors. They have play kitchens now that are "dark wood and stainless steel" in look. My son loves to push the little play shopping carts at the store and the only color available on the shelf? Pink.

So glad I had a boy. I hate pink. I think someone out there hates parents because not only did they assign pink to girls for all toys, it has to be that horrid shade of pepto-bismol pink. What's wrong with a soft green? A pale yellow? Something that doesn't have me thinking "oh farking god my eyes", when we approach the toy section of Target.
 
2012-12-13 11:19:23 AM
aren't most professional chefs men?
 
2012-12-13 11:19:45 AM
WTF, said real men

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-13 11:20:36 AM

manitobamadman: Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.

Weird, you're the second person to mention the resistor colour code in a thread this week. (The other was in the MNF thread).


I must have missed that one. MNF? I will hunt down that acronym. :)
 
2012-12-13 11:21:07 AM
Those pumps are divine!

Boys don't need an easy bake over. Mother just needs to teach him to cook (if she know how). That's what my mother and grandmother did. People either like cooking or they don't, even if they know how. Only those who like it a lot or have delusions of grandeur will become professional chefs. Culinary school is very expensive and few graduates ever make good money as chefs. It's easier to get into the NFL than to become a famous chef.
 
HBK
2012-12-13 11:22:31 AM

Snarfangel: I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.


I loved that toy. Look, I can make a buzzer buzz! Hey Mom! look at the numbers I made!
 
2012-12-13 11:22:51 AM

MycroftHolmes: Bondith: Disclaimer: I actually fairly terrible in the lab.

Just make sure you the whole thing


*facepalm*

I accidentally the verb out.
 
2012-12-13 11:22:55 AM
LOOK YOU PRIMITIVE SCREW HEADS IT IS THE THE 21ST CENTURY AND IF A BOY WANTS TO DRESS IN PINK SHOES, PLAY WITH AN EASY BAKE OVEN, OR WEAR NAIL POLISH SO WHAT?!

Let them at least they are happy unlike 90% of you farktards.

He is just a kid and if he turns out homosexual who cares? I'd rather he be a happy, kind, loving person doing his own thing then a miserable conformist who hates himself and everyone else.
 
2012-12-13 11:23:05 AM
Why the hell do we still have this hang up in the media about men cooking?

We have Wolfgang Puck, Emeril, Tyler Florence, that jackass Bobby Flay, Mario Batali, Jacque Pepin, Anthony Bourdain, Gordon Ramsey, etc. Does that stupid old "Durrr men can't cook, that's a woman's job" still resonate that farkingmuch?
 
2012-12-13 11:23:51 AM

Gulper Eel: Learn how to cook reasonably well (without being a precious fusspot about it) and you will get laid.

If she gets picky about what you make her she's not a keeper anyway. This is my version of Sonny's Door Test.


Best thing I ever learned in high school was how to make a faux pasta primavera with noodles and vegetable dip. It was virtually impossible to screw up, and tasted good.

Served me well for years.
 
2012-12-13 11:24:12 AM
the boy, whose favorite animal is a zebra, replied that "ninjas can wear pink shoes too."

No, they can't. A ninja who wears pink shoes will be seen. A Ninja who wears pink shoes will die.

Stupid pink shoe wearing ninja kid.
 
2012-12-13 11:25:13 AM
www.timewarptoys.com
 
2012-12-13 11:26:20 AM

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


It's important to not the pendulum swing too far. It has been my experience that in college and dating afterwards that many women couldn't find their way around the kitchen. I suspect this was a result of parents not wanting to be sexist by teaching their daughters to cook.
 
2012-12-13 11:26:53 AM
I don't see this as two opposing sides. It's about letting kids make choices for themselves about things like clothes they wear or the toys they play with.
 
2012-12-13 11:27:10 AM

Gulper Eel: Learn how to cook reasonably well (without being a precious fusspot about it) and you will get laid.


There's Easy Bake's marketing campaign for boys. Who could possibly have a problem with it? :-)
 
2012-12-13 11:27:47 AM

BMFPitt: Why wouldn't a chef want to encourage learning to cook with a legitimate oven?


Because Easy Bake is a gateway oven.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:00 AM

Cythraul: I've found it amusing that the sexist idea of a male cook, which has been around for quite a while, is suddenly found acceptable if they're a professional chef. Put a fancy hat on them, and increase their technical skill in cooking and suddenly it's 'okay' for a man to be in the kitchen.


Growing up both my parents cooked. If it was mom I got soup or golouche(sp?) or spaghetti. If it was dad I had been served amazingness with a side of awesome sauce.

I can't really cook myself because unlike my father I never got pleasure out of it. But I can make a mean sandwich which fits nicely into my gender stereotype.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:17 AM
Oh, the Easy Bake Oven petition is on change.org if anyone else wants to sign it.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:48 AM
This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).

Also, we need fewer pretentious asshats running around calling themselves "Chefs." Do you work at a corporate restaurant where you have no control over the menu or recipes? You're a Kitchen Manager. Are you on the line cooking and not designing recipes or menus for your restaurant? You're a cook. Do you sit in an office all day and ONLY generate paperwork? You're a Foodservice Director. Do you create the recipes, menu, schedules, and work yourself to death on a daily basis? Okay, now you're getting to Chef territory.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:55 AM

tolallorti: So if you moved to Alaska, you'd be practically heterosexual in the winters, but The Duke Gaylord Supreme in the summer? And I guess if you live on the equator you're Bi or something. That's pretty neat.


And you get an extra hour of man-on-man action when you change the clocks for gaylight savings time.
 
2012-12-13 11:30:01 AM

JNowe: the boy, whose favorite animal is a zebra, replied that "ninjas can wear pink shoes too."

No, they can't. A ninja who wears pink shoes will be seen. A Ninja who wears pink shoes will die.

Stupid pink shoe wearing ninja kid.


The idea is that a ninja needs to blend in with his surroundings. If he's in a Hello Kitty convention or at the mall he'd blend in seamlessly.
 
2012-12-13 11:30:31 AM

WhippingBoy: Wait... women are supposed to be able to cook? Just a sec, I need to show this to my wife...


She doesn't have to cook if she's already hot.

/ a hottie actually told me that.
 
2012-12-13 11:30:53 AM

Sybarite: I had no idea how much the Easy-Bake Oven had changed.

[media.bonnint.net image 512x286]


THATS the easy bake oven? Mine was red and yellow in the shape of an actual commercial oven. Not whatever the heck that is
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2012-12-13 11:31:01 AM
Boys end up being better cooks anyway. It deals with numbers, math, science, chemistry, physics, etc. I mean, even Disney supports the notion that if a rat can cook, it's going to be a male rat.
 
2012-12-13 11:31:08 AM

Mr. Toadcheese: Easy-Bake ovens are crap. Teach your kids about real cooking; my cousin had her daughter help her make Christmas cookies this year, and the kid's still in preschool.


This. Instead of getting your kids a piece of pink plastic with a light bulb, spend some time teaching them how to cook, using real appliances.

CSB: When my sister and I were kids, my parents decided that it would be a good thing for us to learn to cook, and so during summer vacation, they had us plan and cook one family dinner each week. Ground rules were that the meals needed to be balanced, couldn't be repeated week after week, and needed to be something you actually cooked (i.e. no frozen pizza). Not only did we learn to cook, but other important stuff like reading a recipe and figuring out what ingredients needed to go on the shopping list.

More parents should do this sort of thing.
 
2012-12-13 11:31:41 AM

moothemagiccow: I don't get the pink/blue thing anyway. Pink is kind of an obnoxious color.

Also it's ok for men to cook if they're wearing an apron and standing in front of a grill outside.


It used to be opposite in the early 1900's. Blue was a girl's color and pink was for boys.

/And not just ones names Evelyn or Leslie...
 
2012-12-13 11:31:51 AM
They already tried to make an easy bake oven for boys, it didn't sell. It was called the Queasy Bake Cookerator.

www.samstoybox.com
 
2012-12-13 11:32:11 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

I had this "easy bake oven" when I was a kid, and it kicked ass.
 
2012-12-13 11:32:19 AM

BMFPitt: Why wouldn't a chef want to encourage learning to cook with a legitimate oven?


Because at the age where most kids are playing with an Easy Bake Oven, it is dangerous for them to use a real oven or other kitchen equipment.
 
2012-12-13 11:33:52 AM

StashMonster: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

Yeah, these days kids are likely to see Dad cooking just as much as Mum anyway - making "girly" play-cooking equipment anachronistic.


And hopefully mom's outside with the chainsaw or working on the car just as much as dad.
 
2012-12-13 11:34:20 AM
Ovens are power tools. Pink makes them harder to lose. Problem solved.
 
2012-12-13 11:34:29 AM

Eagles409: They already tried to make an easy bake oven for boys, it didn't sell. It was called the Queasy Bake Cookerator.

[www.samstoybox.com image 547x314]


Because moms still buy a majority of the toys, and that sure as hell would have never gone in my cart.
 
2012-12-13 11:34:59 AM
American culture seems to have difficulty letting go of rigidly-defined gender roles.

Here are some news from some of the more advanced corners of the world:
1. Men can wear pink and not be gay. The colour you wear does not alter your sexual inclination.
2. Men are allowed to cook and do housework
3. Women can make sammiches for men if they like, but they don't have to
4. Women do not adopt their husband's name upon marriage

Kid wants to wear pink zebra shoes ? let him wear pink zebra shoes. Seriously, aren't there more imoprtant things to worry about ?
 
2012-12-13 11:36:07 AM

Bondith: Cythraul: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

I forced myself to learn how to cook in my mid twenties out of necessity, and eventually learned that I find it quite enjoyable. I got tired of eating junk (frozen pizza, fast food burger places, hot pockets, little debbie snacks, and so on) and decided I missed a nice home cooked meal.

Mum made sure I had at least one recipe under my belt before I left home. Being a chemist helped as well, since cooking is basically kitchen chemistry. (Disclaimer: I actually fairly terrible in the lab.)

I've found it amusing that the sexist idea of a male cook, which has been around for quite a while, is suddenly found acceptable if they're a professional chef. Put a fancy hat on them, and increase their technical skill in cooking and suddenly it's 'okay' for a man to be in the kitchen.

Not only that, once they get their funny hat and their chromed ovens, suddenly women aren't allowed to play anymore. Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.


Not true. I have worked for a female chef who had been a private chef before opening her own place.

b>gittlebass: aren't most professional chefs men?

Yes! Throughout history it has been mostly so. To be a professional chef usually means cooking large quantities for many people. Men can sling those 50-lb. sacks of flour, sides of beef, & 10-gal pots of liquid. And bone the waitresses.
 
2012-12-13 11:36:31 AM

tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).


An ex of mine made me do all the cooking and cleaning, then biatched at me for not being a man.
 
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2012-12-13 11:36:47 AM

HMS_Blinkin: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

That, plus the fact that girls nowadays LOVE it when guys can cook. My girlfriend is an outstanding cook, and she loves to do it (which is great for me!), but even she likes that I can make her something if she's tired/stressed/not feeling well. If you're raising your sons to not know how to cook, you're really making dating and getting married more challenging for them.


Ayup, wifey loves that I cook. Her family all tell her they envy her for it. I've heard several of them do it while I was in the room. More than once. Which just shows how far the rest of the males steer clear of anything that doesn't involve a grill, but I don't mind. I love the process (but farking hate the clean up).
 
2012-12-13 11:38:37 AM
"interesting" instead of "asinine"?
 
2012-12-13 11:39:29 AM

Bondith: tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).

An ex of mine made me do all the cooking and cleaning, then biatched at me for not being a man.


"Made" you?!?

\she's right - you aren't a man if anyone can "make" you do all the cooking & cleaning
 
2012-12-13 11:40:06 AM

trappedspirit: This sounds like the same side of the internet


Came here to say this.
 
2012-12-13 11:40:08 AM

CoonAce: Bondith: Cythraul: kid_icarus:
I've found it amusing that the sexist idea of a male cook, which has been around for quite a while, is suddenly found acceptable if they're a professional chef. Put a fancy hat on them, and increase their technical skill in cooking and suddenly it's 'okay' for a man to be in the kitchen.

Not only that, once they get their funny hat and their chromed ovens, suddenly women aren't allowed to play anymore. Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.

Not true. I have worked for a female chef who had been a private chef before opening her own place.


I may not have quite caught up with the times yet. Pretend I was speaking in past tense like your comment below.

b>gittlebass: aren't most professional chefs men?

Yes! Throughout history it has been mostly so. To be a professional chef usually means cooking large quantities for many people. Men can sling those 50-lb. sacks of flour, sides of beef, & 10-gal pots of liquid. And bone the waitresses.
 
2012-12-13 11:40:57 AM

CheekyMonkey: More parents people should do this sort of thing.

 
2012-12-13 11:41:02 AM

LaraAmber: BMFPitt: Why wouldn't a chef want to encourage learning to cook with a legitimate oven?

Because at the age where most kids are playing with an Easy Bake Oven, it is dangerous for them to use a real oven or other kitchen equipment.


Unsupervised. It is very important that we give children toys they can play with unsupervised.

If you want a kid's interest in something, make it seem grown-up and potentially dangerous.
 
2012-12-13 11:41:36 AM
Who gives a shiat about the boy wearing pink slippers? He farking *liked* them. Anyone that worries about "forcing a gender role" on a kid over a stupid pair of shoes is an idiot. He's still in a flippin' car seat, for crying out loud. Stop acting like every tiny decision he (or the parent) makes has any influence over his sexuality or understanding of society's expectations.

I've never had an Easy Bake Oven; I was never interested. I always thought it was just another overpriced POS toy. I have 5 boys, and they're all learning how to cook with an *actual* oven. I'm no pro chef by any stretch, but they know how to make basic things and follow a recipe.
 
2012-12-13 11:42:11 AM

tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).


More anecdote, but I agree. Growing up, I watched my dad cook. I know my wife saw her step-dad cook, but she can't cook to save her life, so I do 90% of it in our family (90%, because it's really hard for her to mess up a box of mac & cheese).
 
2012-12-13 11:42:25 AM
1. Start this gender bending bullshiat in a proto feminist gender queer movement
2. Get everyone on board to support it, including females
3. Act shocked when women say they cant find a real man.

gender rolls exist for a reason. Mostly to keep a society in shape and full of people capable of defending it. It exists to define and strengthen a culture. We now live in the selfish "me" culture of the western world, good old roman era hedonism wrapped up in a flag of gay rights and "gender equality"
 
2012-12-13 11:43:37 AM

impaler: I think I used my sister's easy-bake more than she did.

/if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself, and I want brownies.


MMMMM brownies. Until recently (work schedule issues) I did the majority of the cooking. When I was growing up my step-father did most of the cooking, and was very good. I learned a lot about cooking from him. My wife main influence (mother) is the microwave queen, so she doesnt do much real cooking.

However, I think I like baking better. Brownies, pies, cookies. Dont do much of it anymore these days. Working 3rd shift and dodging the mother-in-law pus a cramp on it. Im sure Ill be back to it after we get our own place again.
 
2012-12-13 11:44:11 AM

capt.hollister: 1. Men can wear pink and not be gay. The colour you wear does not alter your sexual inclination.
2. Men are allowed to cook and do housework
3. Women can make sammiches for men if they like, but they don't have to
4. Women do not adopt their husband's name upon marriage


Heh, regarding 1 I'd rather have NO one wear a majorly pink piece of clothing. Sure, pink accessories or pink trimming / secondary color on a shirt, okay, but a full pink piece? Yuck...

And regarding 4, I don't care which person gets the other's name, but what's going to happen to the kids? It can get messy.
 
2012-12-13 11:44:16 AM

MycroftHolmes: At most, his choice of fashion could be his way of announcing his orientation, but he is probably too young for that to be the case.


Oh my god it's a farking pair of shoes
 
2012-12-13 11:44:49 AM

CheekyMonkey: Bondith: tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).

An ex of mine made me do all the cooking and cleaning, then biatched at me for not being a man.

"Made" you?!?

\she's right - you aren't a man if anyone can "make" you do all the cooking & cleaning


She wasn't going to bloody do it, and I was hungry. It's also hard to say know when it's phrased like "Could you make your pasta primavera? I really really like it."

Besides, every man has a point at which he just gives in to make the whining and shrieking stop.

/I have since realised that the correct response to biatchiness is not spineless acquiesence but rather "If you don't like who I am, the door's over there."
 
2012-12-13 11:45:46 AM
What's the point of starting production of a "male-oriented" Easy-Bake Oven? Won't all Easy-Bake Ovens be worthless when the light bulbs are no longer available?
 
2012-12-13 11:46:30 AM

teeny: Who gives a shiat about the boy wearing pink slippers? He farking *liked* them. Anyone that worries about "forcing a gender role" on a kid over a stupid pair of shoes is an idiot. He's still in a flippin' car seat, for crying out loud. Stop acting like every tiny decision he (or the parent) makes has any influence over his sexuality or understanding of society's expectations.

I've never had an Easy Bake Oven; I was never interested. I always thought it was just another overpriced POS toy. I have 5 boys, and they're all learning how to cook with an *actual* oven. I'm no pro chef by any stretch, but they know how to make basic things and follow a recipe.


The only issue is that he needs to understand that there will likely be peer feedback from making a non-traditional decision. She gave him that information, he made his choice. This is how accountability and responsibility is taught. Don't just beat down your kids into accepting your edicts as canon, but let them (within reason) make their decisions based on an understanding of the consequences.
 
2012-12-13 11:46:46 AM

atomicmask: 1. Start this gender bending bullshiat in a proto feminist gender queer movement
2. Get everyone on board to support it, including females
3. Act shocked when women say they cant find a real man.

gender rolls exist for a reason.


Rolls are delicious, no matter what gender they are.
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-13 11:46:50 AM
Woah woah woah woah. When did the 13 year old girl become a top chef?
 
2012-12-13 11:48:02 AM
I see an exercise video in the future!
 
2012-12-13 11:48:05 AM
A boy wearing pink shoes to school is one thing. Turning it into a media frenzy is another. Both stories sound like immature adults using their kids so they can feel self-righteous.
 
2012-12-13 11:48:38 AM
Eww
 
2012-12-13 11:49:26 AM

moothemagiccow: MycroftHolmes: At most, his choice of fashion could be his way of announcing his orientation, but he is probably too young for that to be the case.

Oh my god it's a farking pair of shoes


I get that. I am trying to decouple the idea that 'pink clothes=gay' by pointing out that there is no intrinsic link between the two. My point is that at most, some people use fashion to express their orientation, but that this likely not the case here. I am actually agreeing with people who are saying that this is no big deal, while still acknowledging the reasons why some people associate certain fashion with orientation (note: correlation does not equal causation).
 
2012-12-13 11:51:55 AM
Not one mention of the giant gaydos in the header?
 
2012-12-13 11:52:06 AM
I thought we were supposed to be getting away from the whole "pink is for girls" thing. Isn't that sexist or something?
 
2012-12-13 11:52:43 AM

Bondith: CheekyMonkey: Bondith: tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).

An ex of mine made me do all the cooking and cleaning, then biatched at me for not being a man.

"Made" you?!?

\she's right - you aren't a man if anyone can "make" you do all the cooking & cleaning

She wasn't going to bloody do it, and I was hungry. It's also hard to say know when it's phrased like "Could you make your pasta primavera? I really really like it."

Besides, every man has a point at which he just gives in to make the whining and shrieking stop.

/I have since realised that the correct response to biatchiness is not spineless acquiesence but rather "If you don't like who I am, the door's over there."


Now you're a man.

\Also acceptable would be "I cooked, you clean".
\\that's the division of labor that works for my GF and I
 
2012-12-13 11:54:49 AM

ElusiveWookiee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 281x215]

I had this "easy bake oven" when I was a kid, and it kicked ass.


Hell yes!
 
2012-12-13 11:55:10 AM

vudukungfu: CheekyMonkey: More parents people should do this sort of thing.


Kinda hard to teach your kids to cook if you aren't a parent, no?
 
2012-12-13 11:56:03 AM
 
2012-12-13 11:57:05 AM

CheekyMonkey: Bondith:
/I have since realised that the correct response to biatchiness is not spineless acquiesence but rather "If you don't like who I am, the door's over there."

Now you're a man.

\Also acceptable would be "I cooked, you clean".
\\that's the division of labor that works for my GF and I


My current girlfriend is stable, sensible and amazing. The ex was legally an adult, but emotionally a spoiled child.
 
2012-12-13 12:02:50 PM

Bondith: Bondith:

I may not have quite caught up with the times yet. Pretend I was speaking in past tense like your comment below.

It should be obvious that men will continue to comprise the majority of professional cooks for the same reason they have always done so: they generally have more upper-body strength than women, which allows them to better handle the heavy lifting that cooking for large numbers of people demands.

 
2012-12-13 12:06:23 PM

CoonAce: Bondith: Bondith:

I may not have quite caught up with the times yet. Pretend I was speaking in past tense like your comment below.

It should be obvious that men will continue to comprise the majority of professional cooks for the same reason they have always done so: they generally have more upper-body strength than women, which allows them to better handle the heavy lifting that cooking for large numbers of people demands.


Best. Chef. Ever.
nerdrepository.com
 
2012-12-13 12:11:05 PM

Mr. Titanium: What's the point of starting production of a "male-oriented" Easy-Bake Oven? Won't all Easy-Bake Ovens be worthless when the light bulbs are no longer available?


The new ones dont use a lightbulb.
 
2012-12-13 12:16:16 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
No, no, no children. Easy Bake ovens are for girls. Let me sing you a little song about it.
 
2012-12-13 12:17:01 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-13 12:18:19 PM

Sybarite: I had no idea how much the Easy-Bake Oven had changed.

[media.bonnint.net image 512x286]


that's crazy

this is what we had as kids

www.ilovethe80s.com

i remember trying to burn stuff with the lightbulb... didn't work, also tried making grilled cheese sandwiches... didn't work, i think i eventually broke the thing, can't remember honestly i broke every toy growing up (probably why my parents never got us video games...)

CoonAce: Bondith: Bondith:

I may not have quite caught up with the times yet. Pretend I was speaking in past tense like your comment below.

It should be obvious that men will continue to comprise the majority of professional cooks for the same reason they have always done so: they generally have more upper-body strength than women, which allows them to better handle the heavy lifting that cooking for large numbers of people demands.


well commercial cooking and residential cooking are worlds apart... it's like comparing maintaining a flower bed in your back yard to maintaining a golf course
 
2012-12-13 12:19:54 PM
Sexual orientation is a choice.

A child under the age of reason can not make a choice of sexual orientation.

That's the gayest little boy I've seen since I was a child and ***** always had to be Mother when we played house.

Let the cognitive dissonance games begin!

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

The only mystery now is whether he wants to be a transvestite, a transexual or a queen when he grows up. I'm guessing Disney Princess or possibly mermaid.
 
2012-12-13 12:20:08 PM

HailRobonia: tolallorti: So if you moved to Alaska, you'd be practically heterosexual in the winters, but The Duke Gaylord Supreme in the summer? And I guess if you live on the equator you're Bi or something. That's pretty neat.

And you get an extra hour of man-on-man action when you change the clocks for gaylight savings time.


Kind of gives new meaning to "spring forward," doesn't it?
 
2012-12-13 12:22:14 PM

Sybarite: I had no idea how much the Easy-Bake Oven had changed.


That's an Easy-Bake oven?

So instead of making them gender specific
The make them gay specfic


/sure I'll pay for that
 
2012-12-13 12:25:54 PM
Cooking and baking, isn't that why we have a wife?
www.frightcatalog.com
 
2012-12-13 12:27:16 PM

brantgoose: Sexual orientation is a choice.

A child under the age of reason can not make a choice of sexual orientation.

That's the gayest little boy I've seen since I was a child and ***** always had to be Mother when we played house.

Let the cognitive dissonance games begin!

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

The only mystery now is whether he wants to be a transvestite, a transexual or a queen when he grows up. I'm guessing Disney Princess or possibly mermaid.


Shouldn't you be posting a wall of text explaining sexual orientation through the ages while tying in obscure British history?
 
2012-12-13 12:31:14 PM

LaraAmber:
Shouldn't you be posting a wall of text explaining sexual orientation through the ages while tying in obscure British history?


HAHAHA! I have him/her favorited as "bloviating windbag". but I mean it in a funny way..but yeah....wall of text posts.
 
2012-12-13 12:44:25 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Unsupervised. It is very important that we give children toys they can play with unsupervised. If you want a kid's interest in something, make it seem grown-up and potentially dangerous.


This. It's the "learning how to safely use dangerous things" that makes little kids feel grown up, and most little kids really want to be "grown up." Until they actually become grown up. Then they wish they were little kids again so somebody else could "take care of all that boring adult stuff" for them.

/Learned to cook hamburgers at age 6, standing on a chair pulled up to the stove. Mom may have been somewhere in the house...
 
2012-12-13 12:46:00 PM

cig-mkr: Cooking and baking, isn't that why we have a wife?
[www.frightcatalog.com image 234x333]


See, I've never understood that type of thinking...

According to some, we can't trust women to even make decisions about their own bodies, yet we're going to trust them with the important task of sammitch making?

I THINK NOT!
 
2012-12-13 12:47:58 PM
My 7 year old boy asked for an easy bake oven for Christmas...

I blame gay people for rubbing teh gey on him...


/my father is 10x the cook of my mother
//I love cooking
///not haz teh gey.
 
2012-12-13 12:49:37 PM

cig-mkr: Cooking and baking, isn't that why we have a wife?


Given the ever-growing list of things we're not supposed to expect of them, I'm not sure why anyone would have a wife.
 
2012-12-13 01:01:01 PM

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


Not to mention that in a lot of families, the man does the cooking.
 
2012-12-13 01:02:57 PM

Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.


Go on, what was it. B B R O Y G B V G W is how it goes, right?
 
2012-12-13 01:05:57 PM
That kid's a goner if he ever walks past a Catholic church.
 
2012-12-13 01:12:22 PM

jgilb: That kid's a goner if he ever walks past a Catholic church.


Why? He's not wearing red Prada shoes.
 
2012-12-13 01:16:14 PM

JNowe: cig-mkr: Cooking and baking, isn't that why we have a wife?


Given the ever-growing list of things we're not supposed to expect of them, I'm not sure why anyone would have a wife.


Fortunately I'm from the old school, mainly because I'm old, but my wife and I have the traditional roles in place.
I don't ask her to do things considered "men's" work. And on the same token, she doesn't ask me to do "women's" work. But now that I'm retired now I do help out more in the house which is OK fine by me.
 
2012-12-13 01:18:11 PM

JNowe: cig-mkr: Cooking and baking, isn't that why we have a wife?


Given the ever-growing list of things we're not supposed to expect of them, I'm not sure why anyone would have a wife.


Because you love each other and it's a marriage, not a cheap way to get hired help for life?

I didn't go "my god my husband doesn't know how to change the oil in my car and my mother had to explain to him how to use a circular saw, why the hell does anyone have a husband".
 
2012-12-13 01:18:35 PM

jgilb: That kid's a goner if he ever walks past a Catholic church.


To be fair, any pre-pubescent boy is.
 
2012-12-13 01:21:31 PM

CheekyMonkey: Kinda hard to teach your kids to cook if you aren't a parent, no?


I meant more people should cook for reals.
Fark eating that greasy cardboard microwave mockery of cuisine that most people do.
You can make better ramen from scratch, probably cheaper, too, with less salt.
Go natch, get more snatch.
 
2012-12-13 01:21:53 PM
Boy's wearing pink zebra shoes and gender neutral easy bake ovens. Yes, we are becoming more European.
 
2012-12-13 01:22:04 PM

capt.hollister: American culture seems to have difficulty letting go of rigidly-defined gender roles.

Here are some news from some of the more advanced corners of the world:
1. Men can wear panties, high heels, bra and not be gay. The clothes you wear does not alter your sexual inclination.
2. Men are allowed to breastfeed
3. Men can make a stable income for women if they like, but they don't have to
4. Women who do not adopt their husband's name upon marriage and use a hyphen instead have a 99% chance of divorce.


you don't say

capt.hollister: Kid wants to wear lingerie? let him wear pink corsets. Some dude wants to wear a pedo bear costume and hang around playgrounds let him. Seriously, aren't there more imoprtant things to worry about ?


not that i can think of
 
2012-12-13 01:23:56 PM

macdaddy357: Instead of an Easy-Bake oven, how about an Easy-Barbeque grill? That's appropriate for boys.


This. Men cook with fire-open coals some flame out of doors.
 
2012-12-13 01:25:50 PM

rocky_howard: capt.hollister: 1. Men can wear pink and not be gay. The colour you wear does not alter your sexual inclination.
2. Men are allowed to cook and do housework
3. Women can make sammiches for men if they like, but they don't have to
4. Women do not adopt their husband's name upon marriage

Heh, regarding 1 I'd rather have NO one wear a majorly pink piece of clothing. Sure, pink accessories or pink trimming / secondary color on a shirt, okay, but a full pink piece? Yuck...

And regarding 4, I don't care which person gets the other's name, but what's going to happen to the kids? It can get messy.


Nothing bad happens to the kids, actually. Lots of cultures have zero difficulty dealing with this without their civilization collapsing.
 
2012-12-13 01:27:27 PM

WhippingBoy: They need to make sewing machines targeted at men. Early on in our marriage, I asked my wife if she would hem my pants. She had no clue what I was talking about.


They do not need to make sewing machines targeted at men they need to make four year of high school Home Economics classes mandatory for women.

Fix society right up
 
2012-12-13 01:28:41 PM
I grew up with a Mom who worked loooong ass days at a optician's store and a dad who worked 2 days off 2 nights on shift work. Needless to say, Dad did school trips, laundry, vacuuming, and cooking - all the mom stuff. He really excelled at cooking and today does 95% of it because frankly, my mom sucks in the kitchen.

My husband can't boil water. He comes from a farmer family where men work hard and do nothing when they come home, and women work hard and then work hard again. :)

My 3 year old son cooks with me! His favourite meal is helping me prepare lemon/garlic roast chicken (he likes stuffing the bird). I just bought him a play kitchen for his Santa gift, from Ikea, and he is going to flip. To me, it's not the least bit girly (or boy-y for that matter) to learn to cook. The girl baby plays with John Deere tractors too. My husband's farmer grandma is probably rolling over in her grave.
 
2012-12-13 01:29:37 PM

impaler: I think I used my sister's easy-bake more than she did.

/if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself, and I want brownies.


They have these things called bakeries, some of them have brownies and you do not even hae to clean up the mess.
 
2012-12-13 01:31:32 PM
One of my girls has an Easy Bake oven. If you're wanting to try and teach a kid to enjoy cooking, that isn't the toy to get them. They farking suck.
 
2012-12-13 01:32:25 PM

I drunk what: capt.hollister: American culture seems to have difficulty letting go of rigidly-defined gender roles.

Here are some news from some of the more advanced corners of the world:
1. Men can wear panties, high heels, bra and not be gay. The clothes you wear does not alter your sexual inclination.
2. Men are allowed to breastfeed
3. Men can make a stable income for women if they like, but they don't have to
4. Women who do not adopt their husband's name upon marriage and use a hyphen instead have a 99% chance of divorce.

you don't say

capt.hollister: Kid wants to wear lingerie? let him wear pink corsets. Some dude wants to wear a pedo bear costume and hang around playgrounds let him. Seriously, aren't there more imoprtant things to worry about ?

not that i can think of


Dude, changing another Fraker's quote like that is not cool. You can quote what I said and then add your own response by striking my comment and adding your own, that is the accepted method. You should know that.

Concerning your number 1 point; what if he is a lumberjack ?
 
2012-12-13 01:35:29 PM

Civchic: My husband's farmer grandma is probably rolling over in her grave.


why would she? we've made so much progress

we now live in the age when a person can choose their gender at will! :D

utopia has been achieved

/i'm a chinese jet pilot
 
2012-12-13 01:36:22 PM

FirstNationalBastard: cig-mkr: Cooking and baking, isn't that why we have a wife?
[www.frightcatalog.com image 234x333]

See, I've never understood that type of thinking...

According to some, we can't trust women to even make decisions about their own bodies, yet we're going to trust them with the important task of sammitch making?

I THINK NOT!


I have no problem tursting women with the decisions they may want to make about their own bodies. It is their insisting that others (tax payers) finance those decisions I have a problem with.
 
2012-12-13 01:37:57 PM

capt.hollister: Concerning your number 1 point; what if he is a lumberjack ?


he's ok

he works the streets all night, and he sleeps all day

ProgressTM
 
2012-12-13 01:38:36 PM

Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.


Those things were the greatest gifts ever. Only gripe was that the manuals did a lousy job of describing the digital components. 100 some analog projects and then they throw an latch in there with minimal explanation. Oh, and labeling it nothing besides "integrated circuit" on the kit? Dick move.

/200-in-1
 
2012-12-13 01:38:47 PM
I drunk what: capt.hollister: American culture seems to have difficulty letting go of rigidly-defined gender roles.

Here are some news from some of the more advanced corners of the world:
1. Men can wear panties, high heels, bra and not be gay. The clothes you wear does not alter your sexual inclination.
2. Men are allowed to breastfeed
3. Men can make a stable income for women if they like, but they don't have to
4. Women who do not adopt their husband's name upon marriage and use a hyphen instead have a 99% chance of divorce.

you don't say

capt.hollister: Kid wants to wear lingerie? let him wear pink corsets. Some dude wants to wear a pedo bear costume and hang around playgrounds let him. Seriously, aren't there more imoprtant things to worry about ?

not that i can think of

Dude, changing another Fraker's quote like that is not cool. You can quote what I said and then add your own response by striking my comment and adding your own, that is the accepted method. You should know that.

Concerning your number 1 point; what if he is a lumberjack ?

One more thing: married women where I live keep their own name. Period. No hyphen. No reference to anyone else's name. As for your 99% claim for hyphenated names, I'm sure you have the stats to back your statement up...
 
2012-12-13 01:39:41 PM

capt.hollister: Dude, changing another Fraker's quote like that is not cool. You can quote what I said and then add your own response by striking my comment and adding your own, that is the accepted method. You should know that.


oh sorry, i thought the theme of this thread was subtle corruption...

am i doing it wrong?
 
2012-12-13 01:40:03 PM
i don't see why the ez bake shouldn't be made in gender neutral colors either... plenty of men love to cook and bake.

The shoes though... much as i'm cool with people wearing what they want, those are just ugly farkin shoes....
 
2012-12-13 01:41:37 PM
According to the Huffington Post, the boy's mother informed him that the shoes were designed for girls, but the boy, whose favorite animal is a zebra, replied that "ninjas can wear pink shoes too."

How do you know kid? Have you ever seen a ninja?
 
2012-12-13 01:42:43 PM
I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.
 
2012-12-13 01:44:31 PM

macdaddy357: Instead of an Easy-Bake oven, how about an Easy-Barbeque grill? That's appropriate for boys.


g-ecx.images-amazon.com
Agree.
 
2012-12-13 01:44:46 PM
i7.photobucket.com

That's the easy bake oven i had :)
 
2012-12-13 01:46:17 PM

Nightsweat: Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.

Go on, what was it. B B R O Y G B V G W is how it goes, right?


Bad Boys Race Our Young Girls Behind Victory Garden Walls / But Violet Gives Willingly
 
2012-12-13 01:47:34 PM
www.webcrawlerblog.com
 
2012-12-13 01:50:22 PM

atomicmask: gender rolls exist for a reason.


farm1.staticflickr.com

I know somebody already pointed out your derpitude, but these are adorable.
 
2012-12-13 01:52:36 PM

puppetmaster745: And hopefully mom's outside with the chainsaw or working on the car just as much as dad.


I think you mean "updating her Facebook status", don't you?
 
2012-12-13 01:53:53 PM

capt.hollister: One more thing: married women where I live keep their own name. Period. No hyphen. No reference to anyone else's name.


good for them! but you never told us how they resolve that nasty little "naming the children" problem?

may i guess?

Mr. John Doe marries Mrs. Jane Smith

they have 3 children: Billy, Sara, and Sam

Billy Doe
Sara Smith
Sam ???

OR

Billy Doe-Smith, no wait Billy Smith-Doe (dodged a bullet there, whew)
Sara Smith-Doe
Sam Smith-Doe
...then later Sara Smith-Doe, marries Phil, but like you said hyphens are for pussies, so she'll just drop the Doe

OR

Billy decides that taking other peoples names doesn't represent enough progress, so decides to make his own name: Billy Switchblade
Sara decides to be a boy and that last names are so old fashioned and goes with: Steve, just Steve, then he goes and enlists in the army for ground infantry where he belongs.
Sam watches in horror at the society you have created for him-her and kills itself.

~Fin

am i getting warmer?
 
2012-12-13 01:54:56 PM
I agree there is no need for an easy bake oven for kids to play with baking. With a parent's help any kid can use a *real* oven and learn important things like 'things that come out of the oven are HOT'.

I mean why do you need an easy bake these days? They sell cake, cookie, and muffin mixes where you add 1-3 ingredients, pour in a pan, and bake. Pretty damn easy.

Also agree that any proper man or woman should be able to cook. If you try, if you work on it just a little then you will be able to cook at least a few meals. If you're a bachelor/ette then it helps you not get fat and save money. If you're in a couple, then it helps you help out the other person. People share household chores and that is fine, but there are going to be times when one of you is sick, has to work late, etc. and needs help from the other- that is why you are even in a relationship.

I hate when dudes or women say 'I don't do ____.' and think that is an okay excuse for forcing the chore on their SO.

I
 
2012-12-13 01:55:16 PM

dopekitty74: i don't see why the ez bake shouldn't be made in gender neutral colors either... plenty of men love to cook and bake..


I was genuinely surprised when I saw that. I was also surprised that Hasbro has it listed on their site as "toys for girls." It's as if nobody in their marketing dept has paid much attention to pop culture for the past 5-10 years, and their unaware of whole "foodie" thing. Most of the serious cooks/foodies I know are dudes. Of my female friends, several are entirely ambivalent about cooking. It just doesn't interest them.
 
2012-12-13 02:00:33 PM

capt.hollister:
Concerning your number 1 point; what if he is a lumberjack ?


Then he's OK.
 
2012-12-13 02:00:44 PM
My two boys said they want an EZ bake for xmas, I was going to grab thier older sisters old one from the attic and hit it with some hi temp krylon black. Couldnt find one for boys online.
 
2012-12-13 02:02:47 PM
1950's: Women liked to cook.
2000's: Women like to eat. And eat. And eat.
 
2012-12-13 02:03:58 PM
pajaromalo.com

images.fineartamerica.com
 
2012-12-13 02:05:55 PM

WhippingBoy: 1950's: Women liked to cook.


Probably not.
 
2012-12-13 02:07:49 PM
you think they would go with the current appliance trend: stainless steel
 
2012-12-13 02:08:24 PM

meat0918: We have Wolfgang Puck, Emeril, Tyler Florence, that jackass Bobby Flay, Mario Batali, Jacque Pepin, Anthony Bourdain, Gordon Ramsey, etc.


All life role models I am sure
 
2012-12-13 02:08:59 PM
You know what led me to start learning how to cook in my younger days?

Mom's shiatty cooking. That's what.
 
2012-12-13 02:12:08 PM

Langdon Alger: you think they would go with the current appliance trend: stainless steel granite


Matches the counter-tops

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-13 02:17:35 PM

spidermilk: I agree there is no need for an easy bake oven for kids to play with baking. With a parent's help any kid can use a *real* oven and learn important things like 'things that come out of the oven are HOT'.

I mean why do you need an easy bake these days? They sell cake, cookie, and muffin mixes where you add 1-3 ingredients, pour in a pan, and bake. Pretty damn easy.


I don't know... America could use more ovens that can only bake one cookie at a time.
 
2012-12-13 02:18:56 PM

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: Mr. Titanium: What's the point of starting production of a "male-oriented" Easy-Bake Oven? Won't all Easy-Bake Ovens be worthless when the light bulbs are no longer available?

The new ones dont use a lightbulb.


how the heck do they work then?
 
2012-12-13 02:26:57 PM
Instead of demanding Hasbro build it, why don't YOU build it and sell it?

Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?

Margins are low sometimes. If gender marketing works, why is that wrong? I'm not surprised that most boys want to play soldier and most girls want to play nest building. It's great when kids break those stereotypes, but mind your own business about someone else's business model.

I would gladly buy a nerf gun marketed to girls and a kitchen toy marketed to boys (or more honestly, I don't think they need to paint something purple to be marketed to girls).
 
2012-12-13 02:29:32 PM

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


Right. Men need to be able to cook and clean. That doesn't mean boys need to play house keeping if they don't find that fun. There are differences between most boys and most girls and I think most girls would enjoy that more than most boys.

We are talking about a toy.

All parents should familiarize their children in how to cook, clean, fix their car and home, balance a checkbook, fire a gun safely, etc. This is basic stuff and parents who fail at this are failures.
 
2012-12-13 02:29:58 PM

LaraAmber: JNowe: cig-mkr: Cooking and baking, isn't that why we have a wife?


Given the ever-growing list of things we're not supposed to expect of them, I'm not sure why anyone would have a wife.

Because you love each other and it's a marriage, not a cheap way to get hired help for life?

I didn't go "my god my husband doesn't know how to change the oil in my car and my mother had to explain to him how to use a circular saw, why the hell does anyone have a husband".




Lol, I love the hell out of my hubby, but his main "use" is as entertainment for me. I do pretty much all the cooking, he does a bit of half-assed cleaning. If something needs fixing, I fix it.

His job is to make me laugh and feel loved, and he does an excellent job :)
 
2012-12-13 02:36:47 PM

Langdon Alger: I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.


My dad grows an awesome veggie garden. I used to help when I was a kid, but now i can't even grow a pot plant :(
 
2012-12-13 02:37:06 PM

Arcanum: Instead of demanding Hasbro build it, why don't YOU build it and sell it?

Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?


Nobody is actually forcing or demanding anything. The wording in the article is misleading. It wasn't just one top chef, but a whole bunch of male chefs. They signed a kid's Change.Org petition saying that they think Hasbro should make gender-neutral Easy Bake Ovens. But yeah, I'm surprised somebody like Bobby Flay hasn't marketed his own already. Maybe Hasbro owns the patent on tiny little ovens or something.
 
2012-12-13 02:39:08 PM

Arcanum: Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?


No one is talking about the government here, sparky.

Cry moar.
 
2012-12-13 02:45:27 PM

Langdon Alger: I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.


Stop watering them with Brawndo.
 
2012-12-13 02:51:10 PM

Arcanum: Instead of demanding Hasbro build it, why don't YOU build it and sell it?

Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?

Margins are low sometimes. If gender marketing works, why is that wrong? I'm not surprised that most boys want to play soldier and most girls want to play nest building. It's great when kids break those stereotypes, but mind your own business about someone else's business model.

I would gladly buy a nerf gun marketed to girls and a kitchen toy marketed to boys (or more honestly, I don't think they need to paint something purple to be marketed to girls).


That sounds hard. I'd rather complain and act outraged.
 
2012-12-13 03:05:12 PM
Dad and Mom insisted we all know how to cook in our early teen years. Also sew, buy groceries, keep the house accounts, make a bed you could bounce a quarter on, and do yard work.

We were fairly good at all of that, and I found it odd that my peers did not know how. Sewing comes in damned handy. Cooking is nice too. Still hate yard work.
 
2012-12-13 03:05:47 PM

Bondith: Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.


img.photobucket.com

My Executive Chef laughs at your post.
 
2012-12-13 03:17:07 PM
Can't find a link to it online, but someone in our Ag dept did an interesting cook-off.
Had males and females cook meals (of their own choice) and get rated by others who ate the food.
Then the Ag guys took a 12 oz sample meal from each cook, and tested it for nutrients, etc.

The results were that both genders did fine in the 'taste' dept,
but sadly the males produced meals with too much salt, too much fat, not enough fiber, and low on basic nutrients...

...Which sounds like a typical 'chef-made' restaurant meal in the U.S.


/made me laugh b/c that's been exactly my own experience... my guy can cook up a great tasting protein, but sucks at making a balanced meal.
 
2012-12-13 03:19:18 PM

FarkinHostile: Bondith: Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.

[img.photobucket.com image 453x604]

My Executive Chef laughs at your post.


That is not a culinary professional. Where is the cocaine?
 
2012-12-13 03:44:37 PM

someonelse: Arcanum: Instead of demanding Hasbro build it, why don't YOU build it and sell it?

Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?

Nobody is actually forcing or demanding anything. The wording in the article is misleading. It wasn't just one top chef, but a whole bunch of male chefs. They signed a kid's Change.Org petition saying that they think Hasbro should make gender-neutral Easy Bake Ovens. But yeah, I'm surprised somebody like Bobby Flay hasn't marketed his own already. Maybe Hasbro owns the patent on tiny little ovens or something.


Give it to Alton. He's basically already the wacky science guy of cooking; kids love him.
 
2012-12-13 03:52:55 PM

willfullyobscure:

That is not a culinary professional. Where is the cocaine?



Get with the times, it's Adderall now.
 
2012-12-13 04:06:24 PM
To evenryone who wants a non-pink EasyBake.

I'm sorry. It's partly my fault that Hasbro thinks boys'll buy pink toys. Too Many Pinkie Pies indeed.
 
2012-12-13 04:13:07 PM

capt.hollister: Nothing bad happens to the kids, actually. Lots of cultures have zero difficulty dealing with this without their civilization collapsing.


hurrr duuuur!!

I'm talking about which name do you use for the kids, the father or the mother?
 
2012-12-13 04:27:11 PM
As a guy with a reputation for pretty damn tasty baking who has at least three types of cookies planned and maybe some banana bread or something for this Christmas, I approve of this.
 
2012-12-13 04:42:16 PM

nanim: Can't find a link to it online, but someone in our Ag dept did an interesting cook-off.
Had males and females cook meals (of their own choice) and get rated by others who ate the food.
Then the Ag guys took a 12 oz sample meal from each cook, and tested it for nutrients, etc.

The results were that both genders did fine in the 'taste' dept,
but sadly the males produced meals with too much salt, too much fat, not enough fiber, and low on basic nutrients...

...Which sounds like a typical 'chef-made' restaurant meal in the U.S.

/made me laugh b/c that's been exactly my own experience... my guy can cook up a great tasting protein, but sucks at making a balanced meal.


I'm sorry but I don't buy in they both tasted fine. The fact that men had more salt and fat and less garnish would mean they tasted better.
 
2012-12-13 04:47:28 PM

FarkinHostile: Bondith: Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.

[img.photobucket.com image 453x604]

My Executive Chef laughs at your post.


Now that made me drool.
then I saw the food.
 
2012-12-13 04:52:12 PM

Five Tails of Fury: As a guy with a reputation for pretty damn tasty baking who has at least three types of cookies planned and maybe some banana bread or something for this Christmas, I approve of this.


Dude, I ran a bakery for 12 years. Prior to that, I was a chef.
I trained under many a man and woman. I trained many and man and woman.
Gender has nothing to do with cooking.
Passion and talent, now those traits, combined with a serious work ethic, those are what you need.
If you research what you do out side of your job, because of your passion, and you are willing to implement and ry new things. That counts.
 
2012-12-13 06:08:35 PM

tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).


Most of my friends can cook to some extent (we're 23/24). When I was dating my ex, we would go to his coworker's house once a semester just to do a cooking double date. His friend and said friend's wife would make the main course and my ex and I would bring what was needed for a side and/or desert. We all cooked well (for the most part), and they used to joke that watching my ex and I cook was like watching a comedy cooking show because we would get it done and done well but we would tease each other mercilessly the whole way through. My ex and I also taught his roommate how to cook. Or at least tried to. It was still a bit of a question as to whether or not we had succeeded in how to teach him to cook well... He had shown up over the one summer where they rented a house expecting to eat only cold cereal and chef boyardee/spaghettios and was quite astonished to find a stocked kitchen and leftovers in the fridge and baked goods on the counter. When I was sharing an apartment with the guy who would become said ex and two of my friends, we mostly shared in the cooking until fights broke out and it became obvious that the one girl was a so-so cook at best, then my bestie and I did 85-90% of the cooking. My boyfriend cooks for his family regularly, but his parents don't even have a spice cabinet. I'm worried.

Not sure how indicative of the norm my anecdotal evidence is, though, as my friends and I are *far* from normal.

And it was my dad who taught me to cook growing up and insists on teaching my siblings (though not everyone was quite as willing). My mom can cook without killing anyone, but she either doesn't season anything at all or she tries to compensate and adds way too much. My brother is getting better when he actually focuses on it. He's 16, so I'm not worried yet. And he can bake and handle a knife and follow a simple recipe (the baking was my doing). He's also a great guinea pig for new recipes and techniques because he'll eat anything.

/Wish my friend didn't live on the other side of the country, we had fun cooking together
 
2012-12-13 06:36:57 PM

ElusiveWookiee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 281x215]

I had this "easy bake oven" when I was a kid, and it kicked ass.


You're farking right it did.
 
2012-12-13 06:43:22 PM
I'm teaching both my kids (one boy, one girl) to cook, use power tools, manage household repairs and finances, basic car care, etc. It is my job to make sure they are self-sufficient by the time they leave home. My son is getting an easy bake oven for his 6th birthday next month because he has been begging for one for months. He told me that it will go nicely with his microscope (also purple.)
 
2012-12-13 06:53:02 PM
My easy bake back in the 70s was in fashionable "Harvest Gold," like the adult ovens. Mind you, I think they're a huge waste of money- Got mine for Christmas, played with it for a day. When my sons wanted one, we wrapped up mine (still in the box) with a new set of the mixes and Santa delivered vintage. Guess what? They, too, played with it for a day. I think it's in the garage now, awaiting its third Christmas morning, whenever I have grandkids.

If your kids want to cook, they'll have more fun (and learn a lot more) just helping you in the kitchen. My boys are nearly grown now, and both know their way around a kitchen. One of them was harder to interest than the other- my sciencey- son got turned onto cooking with "Good Eats." He wasn't interested in learning the family recipes, but he got quite jazzed about using an angle grinder to make his own Tandoor.
 
2012-12-13 07:02:16 PM

puppetmaster745: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

It's important to not the pendulum swing too far. It has been my experience that in college and dating afterwards that many women couldn't find their way around the kitchen. I suspect this was a result of parents not wanting to be sexist by teaching their daughters to cook.


No, for me it was a case of watching my mom stumble around the kitchen because my overly picky, patriarchal and probably Aspergy dad wore down her confidence. So we lived a great deal on the "crap from a can" diet, and I learned from her. Dinty Moore Beef Stew is the same every time, no surprises, so we ate it once a week in rotation with Hormel chili, Chef Boyardee Ravioli and La Choy Chicken Chow Mein. (yes my dad would rather eat the same canned thing once a week, every week, rather than try something new).

She has learned to cook over time, but it tends to be specific dishes that she has to make exactly the same every time. She tried to teach me and said "Don't you want to make nice dinners for your [future] boyfriend?" I said "No, he can cook for me!" Because I was tired of the patriarchal sexist BS in my parents' relationship.

Fast forward to late 2012: BF does the lion's share of the cooking. I might make a frozen pizza or chili once in a while. I do the dishes if he bugs me enough, hehe.
 
2012-12-13 08:52:44 PM

I drunk what: capt.hollister: One more thing: married women where I live keep their own name. Period. No hyphen. No reference to anyone else's name.

good for them! but you never told us how they resolve that nasty little "naming the children" problem?

may i guess?

Mr. John Doe marries Mrs. Jane Smith

they have 3 children: Billy, Sara, and Sam

Billy Doe
Sara Smith
Sam ???

OR

Billy Doe-Smith, no wait Billy Smith-Doe (dodged a bullet there, whew)
Sara Smith-Doe
Sam Smith-Doe
...then later Sara Smith-Doe, marries Phil, but like you said hyphens are for pussies, so she'll just drop the Doe

OR

Billy decides that taking other peoples names doesn't represent enough progress, so decides to make his own name: Billy Switchblade
Sara decides to be a boy and that last names are so old fashioned and goes with: Steve, just Steve, then he goes and enlists in the army for ground infantry where he belongs.
Sam watches in horror at the society you have created for him-her and kills itself.

~Fin

am i getting warmer?


rocky_howard: capt.hollister: Nothing bad happens to the kids, actually. Lots of cultures have zero difficulty dealing with this without their civilization collapsing.

hurrr duuuur!!

I'm talking about which name do you use for the kids, the father or the mother?


The point you are both missing is that the kids' names are a non-issue. Around here they can have either the father's name of the mother's name or they can hyphen both. To avoid the next generation ending up having multiple hyphens, you are limited to one. You know, in real life it turns out that the last name isn't essential to establishing parentage.
 
2012-12-14 09:41:04 AM

capt.hollister: I drunk what: capt.hollister: One more thing: married women where I live keep their own name. Period. No hyphen. No reference to anyone else's name.

good for them! but you never told us how they resolve that nasty little "naming the children" problem?

may i guess?

Mr. John Doe marries Mrs. Jane Smith

they have 3 children: Billy, Sara, and Sam

Billy Doe
Sara Smith
Sam ???

OR

Billy Doe-Smith, no wait Billy Smith-Doe (dodged a bullet there, whew)
Sara Smith-Doe
Sam Smith-Doe
...then later Sara Smith-Doe, marries Phil, but like you said hyphens are for pussies, so she'll just drop the Doe

OR

Billy decides that taking other peoples names doesn't represent enough progress, so decides to make his own name: Billy Switchblade
Sara decides to be a boy and that last names are so old fashioned and goes with: Steve, just Steve, then he goes and enlists in the army for ground infantry where he belongs.
Sam watches in horror at the society you have created for him-her and kills itself.

~Fin

am i getting warmer?

rocky_howard: capt.hollister: Nothing bad happens to the kids, actually. Lots of cultures have zero difficulty dealing with this without their civilization collapsing.

hurrr duuuur!!

I'm talking about which name do you use for the kids, the father or the mother?

The point you are both missing is that the kids' names are a non-issue. Around here they can have either the father's name of the mother's name or they can hyphen both. To avoid the next generation ending up having multiple hyphens, you are limited to one. You know, in real life it turns out that the last name isn't essential to establishing parentage.


i'm just glad this story had a happy ending, good luck with that
 
2012-12-14 11:43:43 AM

puppetmaster745: Langdon Alger: I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.

Stop watering them with Brawndo.


that made me laugh---nice reference----I'll start using toilet water
 
2012-12-14 12:19:51 PM

Langdon Alger: puppetmaster745: Langdon Alger: I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.

Stop watering them with Brawndo.

that made me laugh---nice reference----I'll start using toilet water


Haha....

In all seriousness, keep up with it. Read up on it. How are they dying? Drying out? Are you growing in the ground, pots, raised beds?
 
2012-12-14 02:51:01 PM

puppetmaster745: Langdon Alger: puppetmaster745: Langdon Alger: I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.

Stop watering them with Brawndo.

that made me laugh---nice reference----I'll start using toilet water

Haha....

In all seriousness, keep up with it. Read up on it. How are they dying? Drying out? Are you growing in the ground, pots, raised beds?


My grandfather had one hell of a garden---I spent many a summer getting vegetables out of the garden and sitting on the porch shucking corn, snapping peas, etc so we could eat. I also had an uncle who grew the best tomatoes, squash and zuchinni. I'm fairly scientific and have done my research, alas no luck, but maybe one day I'll get it right. Could be bugs, birds, planting time....I dunno...would rather not use pesticides to get rid of the bugs though
 
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