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(KTAR Phoenix)   On one side of the internet there's a mother who lets her son wear pink, zebra-striped shoes to school. On the other side, a top chef demands that Hasbro make a gender-neutral Easy-Bake Oven to encourage more boys to cook   (ktar.com) divider line 203
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2012-12-13 01:40:03 PM  
i don't see why the ez bake shouldn't be made in gender neutral colors either... plenty of men love to cook and bake.

The shoes though... much as i'm cool with people wearing what they want, those are just ugly farkin shoes....
 
2012-12-13 01:41:37 PM  
According to the Huffington Post, the boy's mother informed him that the shoes were designed for girls, but the boy, whose favorite animal is a zebra, replied that "ninjas can wear pink shoes too."

How do you know kid? Have you ever seen a ninja?
 
2012-12-13 01:42:43 PM  
I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.
 
2012-12-13 01:44:31 PM  

macdaddy357: Instead of an Easy-Bake oven, how about an Easy-Barbeque grill? That's appropriate for boys.


g-ecx.images-amazon.com
Agree.
 
2012-12-13 01:44:46 PM  
i7.photobucket.com

That's the easy bake oven i had :)
 
2012-12-13 01:46:17 PM  

Nightsweat: Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.

Go on, what was it. B B R O Y G B V G W is how it goes, right?


Bad Boys Race Our Young Girls Behind Victory Garden Walls / But Violet Gives Willingly
 
2012-12-13 01:47:34 PM  
www.webcrawlerblog.com
 
2012-12-13 01:50:22 PM  

atomicmask: gender rolls exist for a reason.


farm1.staticflickr.com

I know somebody already pointed out your derpitude, but these are adorable.
 
2012-12-13 01:52:36 PM  

puppetmaster745: And hopefully mom's outside with the chainsaw or working on the car just as much as dad.


I think you mean "updating her Facebook status", don't you?
 
2012-12-13 01:53:53 PM  

capt.hollister: One more thing: married women where I live keep their own name. Period. No hyphen. No reference to anyone else's name.


good for them! but you never told us how they resolve that nasty little "naming the children" problem?

may i guess?

Mr. John Doe marries Mrs. Jane Smith

they have 3 children: Billy, Sara, and Sam

Billy Doe
Sara Smith
Sam ???

OR

Billy Doe-Smith, no wait Billy Smith-Doe (dodged a bullet there, whew)
Sara Smith-Doe
Sam Smith-Doe
...then later Sara Smith-Doe, marries Phil, but like you said hyphens are for pussies, so she'll just drop the Doe

OR

Billy decides that taking other peoples names doesn't represent enough progress, so decides to make his own name: Billy Switchblade
Sara decides to be a boy and that last names are so old fashioned and goes with: Steve, just Steve, then he goes and enlists in the army for ground infantry where he belongs.
Sam watches in horror at the society you have created for him-her and kills itself.

~Fin

am i getting warmer?
 
2012-12-13 01:54:56 PM  
I agree there is no need for an easy bake oven for kids to play with baking. With a parent's help any kid can use a *real* oven and learn important things like 'things that come out of the oven are HOT'.

I mean why do you need an easy bake these days? They sell cake, cookie, and muffin mixes where you add 1-3 ingredients, pour in a pan, and bake. Pretty damn easy.

Also agree that any proper man or woman should be able to cook. If you try, if you work on it just a little then you will be able to cook at least a few meals. If you're a bachelor/ette then it helps you not get fat and save money. If you're in a couple, then it helps you help out the other person. People share household chores and that is fine, but there are going to be times when one of you is sick, has to work late, etc. and needs help from the other- that is why you are even in a relationship.

I hate when dudes or women say 'I don't do ____.' and think that is an okay excuse for forcing the chore on their SO.

I
 
2012-12-13 01:55:16 PM  

dopekitty74: i don't see why the ez bake shouldn't be made in gender neutral colors either... plenty of men love to cook and bake..


I was genuinely surprised when I saw that. I was also surprised that Hasbro has it listed on their site as "toys for girls." It's as if nobody in their marketing dept has paid much attention to pop culture for the past 5-10 years, and their unaware of whole "foodie" thing. Most of the serious cooks/foodies I know are dudes. Of my female friends, several are entirely ambivalent about cooking. It just doesn't interest them.
 
2012-12-13 02:00:33 PM  

capt.hollister:
Concerning your number 1 point; what if he is a lumberjack ?


Then he's OK.
 
2012-12-13 02:00:44 PM  
My two boys said they want an EZ bake for xmas, I was going to grab thier older sisters old one from the attic and hit it with some hi temp krylon black. Couldnt find one for boys online.
 
2012-12-13 02:02:47 PM  
1950's: Women liked to cook.
2000's: Women like to eat. And eat. And eat.
 
2012-12-13 02:03:58 PM  
pajaromalo.com

images.fineartamerica.com
 
2012-12-13 02:05:55 PM  

WhippingBoy: 1950's: Women liked to cook.


Probably not.
 
2012-12-13 02:07:49 PM  
you think they would go with the current appliance trend: stainless steel
 
2012-12-13 02:08:24 PM  

meat0918: We have Wolfgang Puck, Emeril, Tyler Florence, that jackass Bobby Flay, Mario Batali, Jacque Pepin, Anthony Bourdain, Gordon Ramsey, etc.


All life role models I am sure
 
2012-12-13 02:08:59 PM  
You know what led me to start learning how to cook in my younger days?

Mom's shiatty cooking. That's what.
 
2012-12-13 02:12:08 PM  

Langdon Alger: you think they would go with the current appliance trend: stainless steel granite


Matches the counter-tops

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2012-12-13 02:17:35 PM  

spidermilk: I agree there is no need for an easy bake oven for kids to play with baking. With a parent's help any kid can use a *real* oven and learn important things like 'things that come out of the oven are HOT'.

I mean why do you need an easy bake these days? They sell cake, cookie, and muffin mixes where you add 1-3 ingredients, pour in a pan, and bake. Pretty damn easy.


I don't know... America could use more ovens that can only bake one cookie at a time.
 
2012-12-13 02:18:56 PM  

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: Mr. Titanium: What's the point of starting production of a "male-oriented" Easy-Bake Oven? Won't all Easy-Bake Ovens be worthless when the light bulbs are no longer available?

The new ones dont use a lightbulb.


how the heck do they work then?
 
2012-12-13 02:26:57 PM  
Instead of demanding Hasbro build it, why don't YOU build it and sell it?

Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?

Margins are low sometimes. If gender marketing works, why is that wrong? I'm not surprised that most boys want to play soldier and most girls want to play nest building. It's great when kids break those stereotypes, but mind your own business about someone else's business model.

I would gladly buy a nerf gun marketed to girls and a kitchen toy marketed to boys (or more honestly, I don't think they need to paint something purple to be marketed to girls).
 
2012-12-13 02:29:32 PM  

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


Right. Men need to be able to cook and clean. That doesn't mean boys need to play house keeping if they don't find that fun. There are differences between most boys and most girls and I think most girls would enjoy that more than most boys.

We are talking about a toy.

All parents should familiarize their children in how to cook, clean, fix their car and home, balance a checkbook, fire a gun safely, etc. This is basic stuff and parents who fail at this are failures.
 
2012-12-13 02:29:58 PM  

LaraAmber: JNowe: cig-mkr: Cooking and baking, isn't that why we have a wife?


Given the ever-growing list of things we're not supposed to expect of them, I'm not sure why anyone would have a wife.

Because you love each other and it's a marriage, not a cheap way to get hired help for life?

I didn't go "my god my husband doesn't know how to change the oil in my car and my mother had to explain to him how to use a circular saw, why the hell does anyone have a husband".




Lol, I love the hell out of my hubby, but his main "use" is as entertainment for me. I do pretty much all the cooking, he does a bit of half-assed cleaning. If something needs fixing, I fix it.

His job is to make me laugh and feel loved, and he does an excellent job :)
 
2012-12-13 02:36:47 PM  

Langdon Alger: I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.


My dad grows an awesome veggie garden. I used to help when I was a kid, but now i can't even grow a pot plant :(
 
2012-12-13 02:37:06 PM  

Arcanum: Instead of demanding Hasbro build it, why don't YOU build it and sell it?

Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?


Nobody is actually forcing or demanding anything. The wording in the article is misleading. It wasn't just one top chef, but a whole bunch of male chefs. They signed a kid's Change.Org petition saying that they think Hasbro should make gender-neutral Easy Bake Ovens. But yeah, I'm surprised somebody like Bobby Flay hasn't marketed his own already. Maybe Hasbro owns the patent on tiny little ovens or something.
 
2012-12-13 02:39:08 PM  

Arcanum: Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?


No one is talking about the government here, sparky.

Cry moar.
 
2012-12-13 02:45:27 PM  

Langdon Alger: I'm a guy and I love to cook (kitchen, smoker pit or grill it doesn't matter) and I do most of the cooking for my girlfriend and I. I just wish I could grow my own vegetables. I've tried and tried but everything winds up dying.


Stop watering them with Brawndo.
 
2012-12-13 02:51:10 PM  

Arcanum: Instead of demanding Hasbro build it, why don't YOU build it and sell it?

Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?

Margins are low sometimes. If gender marketing works, why is that wrong? I'm not surprised that most boys want to play soldier and most girls want to play nest building. It's great when kids break those stereotypes, but mind your own business about someone else's business model.

I would gladly buy a nerf gun marketed to girls and a kitchen toy marketed to boys (or more honestly, I don't think they need to paint something purple to be marketed to girls).


That sounds hard. I'd rather complain and act outraged.
 
2012-12-13 03:05:12 PM  
Dad and Mom insisted we all know how to cook in our early teen years. Also sew, buy groceries, keep the house accounts, make a bed you could bounce a quarter on, and do yard work.

We were fairly good at all of that, and I found it odd that my peers did not know how. Sewing comes in damned handy. Cooking is nice too. Still hate yard work.
 
2012-12-13 03:05:47 PM  

Bondith: Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.


img.photobucket.com

My Executive Chef laughs at your post.
 
2012-12-13 03:17:07 PM  
Can't find a link to it online, but someone in our Ag dept did an interesting cook-off.
Had males and females cook meals (of their own choice) and get rated by others who ate the food.
Then the Ag guys took a 12 oz sample meal from each cook, and tested it for nutrients, etc.

The results were that both genders did fine in the 'taste' dept,
but sadly the males produced meals with too much salt, too much fat, not enough fiber, and low on basic nutrients...

...Which sounds like a typical 'chef-made' restaurant meal in the U.S.


/made me laugh b/c that's been exactly my own experience... my guy can cook up a great tasting protein, but sucks at making a balanced meal.
 
2012-12-13 03:19:18 PM  

FarkinHostile: Bondith: Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.

[img.photobucket.com image 453x604]

My Executive Chef laughs at your post.


That is not a culinary professional. Where is the cocaine?
 
2012-12-13 03:44:37 PM  

someonelse: Arcanum: Instead of demanding Hasbro build it, why don't YOU build it and sell it?

Instead of using government force to get someone else to invest in a business concept, why don't YOU take the risk on this product?

Nobody is actually forcing or demanding anything. The wording in the article is misleading. It wasn't just one top chef, but a whole bunch of male chefs. They signed a kid's Change.Org petition saying that they think Hasbro should make gender-neutral Easy Bake Ovens. But yeah, I'm surprised somebody like Bobby Flay hasn't marketed his own already. Maybe Hasbro owns the patent on tiny little ovens or something.


Give it to Alton. He's basically already the wacky science guy of cooking; kids love him.
 
2012-12-13 03:52:55 PM  

willfullyobscure:

That is not a culinary professional. Where is the cocaine?



Get with the times, it's Adderall now.
 
2012-12-13 04:06:24 PM  
To evenryone who wants a non-pink EasyBake.

I'm sorry. It's partly my fault that Hasbro thinks boys'll buy pink toys. Too Many Pinkie Pies indeed.
 
2012-12-13 04:13:07 PM  

capt.hollister: Nothing bad happens to the kids, actually. Lots of cultures have zero difficulty dealing with this without their civilization collapsing.


hurrr duuuur!!

I'm talking about which name do you use for the kids, the father or the mother?
 
2012-12-13 04:27:11 PM  
As a guy with a reputation for pretty damn tasty baking who has at least three types of cookies planned and maybe some banana bread or something for this Christmas, I approve of this.
 
2012-12-13 04:42:16 PM  

nanim: Can't find a link to it online, but someone in our Ag dept did an interesting cook-off.
Had males and females cook meals (of their own choice) and get rated by others who ate the food.
Then the Ag guys took a 12 oz sample meal from each cook, and tested it for nutrients, etc.

The results were that both genders did fine in the 'taste' dept,
but sadly the males produced meals with too much salt, too much fat, not enough fiber, and low on basic nutrients...

...Which sounds like a typical 'chef-made' restaurant meal in the U.S.

/made me laugh b/c that's been exactly my own experience... my guy can cook up a great tasting protein, but sucks at making a balanced meal.


I'm sorry but I don't buy in they both tasted fine. The fact that men had more salt and fat and less garnish would mean they tasted better.
 
2012-12-13 04:47:28 PM  

FarkinHostile: Bondith: Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.

[img.photobucket.com image 453x604]

My Executive Chef laughs at your post.


Now that made me drool.
then I saw the food.
 
2012-12-13 04:52:12 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: As a guy with a reputation for pretty damn tasty baking who has at least three types of cookies planned and maybe some banana bread or something for this Christmas, I approve of this.


Dude, I ran a bakery for 12 years. Prior to that, I was a chef.
I trained under many a man and woman. I trained many and man and woman.
Gender has nothing to do with cooking.
Passion and talent, now those traits, combined with a serious work ethic, those are what you need.
If you research what you do out side of your job, because of your passion, and you are willing to implement and ry new things. That counts.
 
2012-12-13 06:08:35 PM  

tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).


Most of my friends can cook to some extent (we're 23/24). When I was dating my ex, we would go to his coworker's house once a semester just to do a cooking double date. His friend and said friend's wife would make the main course and my ex and I would bring what was needed for a side and/or desert. We all cooked well (for the most part), and they used to joke that watching my ex and I cook was like watching a comedy cooking show because we would get it done and done well but we would tease each other mercilessly the whole way through. My ex and I also taught his roommate how to cook. Or at least tried to. It was still a bit of a question as to whether or not we had succeeded in how to teach him to cook well... He had shown up over the one summer where they rented a house expecting to eat only cold cereal and chef boyardee/spaghettios and was quite astonished to find a stocked kitchen and leftovers in the fridge and baked goods on the counter. When I was sharing an apartment with the guy who would become said ex and two of my friends, we mostly shared in the cooking until fights broke out and it became obvious that the one girl was a so-so cook at best, then my bestie and I did 85-90% of the cooking. My boyfriend cooks for his family regularly, but his parents don't even have a spice cabinet. I'm worried.

Not sure how indicative of the norm my anecdotal evidence is, though, as my friends and I are *far* from normal.

And it was my dad who taught me to cook growing up and insists on teaching my siblings (though not everyone was quite as willing). My mom can cook without killing anyone, but she either doesn't season anything at all or she tries to compensate and adds way too much. My brother is getting better when he actually focuses on it. He's 16, so I'm not worried yet. And he can bake and handle a knife and follow a simple recipe (the baking was my doing). He's also a great guinea pig for new recipes and techniques because he'll eat anything.

/Wish my friend didn't live on the other side of the country, we had fun cooking together
 
2012-12-13 06:36:57 PM  

ElusiveWookiee: [upload.wikimedia.org image 281x215]

I had this "easy bake oven" when I was a kid, and it kicked ass.


You're farking right it did.
 
2012-12-13 06:43:22 PM  
I'm teaching both my kids (one boy, one girl) to cook, use power tools, manage household repairs and finances, basic car care, etc. It is my job to make sure they are self-sufficient by the time they leave home. My son is getting an easy bake oven for his 6th birthday next month because he has been begging for one for months. He told me that it will go nicely with his microscope (also purple.)
 
2012-12-13 06:53:02 PM  
My easy bake back in the 70s was in fashionable "Harvest Gold," like the adult ovens. Mind you, I think they're a huge waste of money- Got mine for Christmas, played with it for a day. When my sons wanted one, we wrapped up mine (still in the box) with a new set of the mixes and Santa delivered vintage. Guess what? They, too, played with it for a day. I think it's in the garage now, awaiting its third Christmas morning, whenever I have grandkids.

If your kids want to cook, they'll have more fun (and learn a lot more) just helping you in the kitchen. My boys are nearly grown now, and both know their way around a kitchen. One of them was harder to interest than the other- my sciencey- son got turned onto cooking with "Good Eats." He wasn't interested in learning the family recipes, but he got quite jazzed about using an angle grinder to make his own Tandoor.
 
2012-12-13 07:02:16 PM  

puppetmaster745: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

It's important to not the pendulum swing too far. It has been my experience that in college and dating afterwards that many women couldn't find their way around the kitchen. I suspect this was a result of parents not wanting to be sexist by teaching their daughters to cook.


No, for me it was a case of watching my mom stumble around the kitchen because my overly picky, patriarchal and probably Aspergy dad wore down her confidence. So we lived a great deal on the "crap from a can" diet, and I learned from her. Dinty Moore Beef Stew is the same every time, no surprises, so we ate it once a week in rotation with Hormel chili, Chef Boyardee Ravioli and La Choy Chicken Chow Mein. (yes my dad would rather eat the same canned thing once a week, every week, rather than try something new).

She has learned to cook over time, but it tends to be specific dishes that she has to make exactly the same every time. She tried to teach me and said "Don't you want to make nice dinners for your [future] boyfriend?" I said "No, he can cook for me!" Because I was tired of the patriarchal sexist BS in my parents' relationship.

Fast forward to late 2012: BF does the lion's share of the cooking. I might make a frozen pizza or chili once in a while. I do the dishes if he bugs me enough, hehe.
 
2012-12-13 08:52:44 PM  

I drunk what: capt.hollister: One more thing: married women where I live keep their own name. Period. No hyphen. No reference to anyone else's name.

good for them! but you never told us how they resolve that nasty little "naming the children" problem?

may i guess?

Mr. John Doe marries Mrs. Jane Smith

they have 3 children: Billy, Sara, and Sam

Billy Doe
Sara Smith
Sam ???

OR

Billy Doe-Smith, no wait Billy Smith-Doe (dodged a bullet there, whew)
Sara Smith-Doe
Sam Smith-Doe
...then later Sara Smith-Doe, marries Phil, but like you said hyphens are for pussies, so she'll just drop the Doe

OR

Billy decides that taking other peoples names doesn't represent enough progress, so decides to make his own name: Billy Switchblade
Sara decides to be a boy and that last names are so old fashioned and goes with: Steve, just Steve, then he goes and enlists in the army for ground infantry where he belongs.
Sam watches in horror at the society you have created for him-her and kills itself.

~Fin

am i getting warmer?


rocky_howard: capt.hollister: Nothing bad happens to the kids, actually. Lots of cultures have zero difficulty dealing with this without their civilization collapsing.

hurrr duuuur!!

I'm talking about which name do you use for the kids, the father or the mother?


The point you are both missing is that the kids' names are a non-issue. Around here they can have either the father's name of the mother's name or they can hyphen both. To avoid the next generation ending up having multiple hyphens, you are limited to one. You know, in real life it turns out that the last name isn't essential to establishing parentage.
 
2012-12-14 09:41:04 AM  

capt.hollister: I drunk what: capt.hollister: One more thing: married women where I live keep their own name. Period. No hyphen. No reference to anyone else's name.

good for them! but you never told us how they resolve that nasty little "naming the children" problem?

may i guess?

Mr. John Doe marries Mrs. Jane Smith

they have 3 children: Billy, Sara, and Sam

Billy Doe
Sara Smith
Sam ???

OR

Billy Doe-Smith, no wait Billy Smith-Doe (dodged a bullet there, whew)
Sara Smith-Doe
Sam Smith-Doe
...then later Sara Smith-Doe, marries Phil, but like you said hyphens are for pussies, so she'll just drop the Doe

OR

Billy decides that taking other peoples names doesn't represent enough progress, so decides to make his own name: Billy Switchblade
Sara decides to be a boy and that last names are so old fashioned and goes with: Steve, just Steve, then he goes and enlists in the army for ground infantry where he belongs.
Sam watches in horror at the society you have created for him-her and kills itself.

~Fin

am i getting warmer?

rocky_howard: capt.hollister: Nothing bad happens to the kids, actually. Lots of cultures have zero difficulty dealing with this without their civilization collapsing.

hurrr duuuur!!

I'm talking about which name do you use for the kids, the father or the mother?

The point you are both missing is that the kids' names are a non-issue. Around here they can have either the father's name of the mother's name or they can hyphen both. To avoid the next generation ending up having multiple hyphens, you are limited to one. You know, in real life it turns out that the last name isn't essential to establishing parentage.


i'm just glad this story had a happy ending, good luck with that
 
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