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(KTAR Phoenix)   On one side of the internet there's a mother who lets her son wear pink, zebra-striped shoes to school. On the other side, a top chef demands that Hasbro make a gender-neutral Easy-Bake Oven to encourage more boys to cook   (ktar.com) divider line 203
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2012-12-13 11:20:36 AM

manitobamadman: Snarfangel: I actually had an Easy-Bake oven when I was little. I'm not sure if my mom just thought boys should know how to cook, or if she expected her second child to be a girl.

I used it a couple of times, but I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.

/The naughty mnemonic he taught me for resistor color codes was kept a secret from my mom.
//Would have loved an Easy-BlastTM chemistry set.

Weird, you're the second person to mention the resistor colour code in a thread this week. (The other was in the MNF thread).


I must have missed that one. MNF? I will hunt down that acronym. :)
 
2012-12-13 11:21:07 AM
Those pumps are divine!

Boys don't need an easy bake over. Mother just needs to teach him to cook (if she know how). That's what my mother and grandmother did. People either like cooking or they don't, even if they know how. Only those who like it a lot or have delusions of grandeur will become professional chefs. Culinary school is very expensive and few graduates ever make good money as chefs. It's easier to get into the NFL than to become a famous chef.
 
HBK
2012-12-13 11:22:31 AM

Snarfangel: I had a lot more fun with the 75-in-1 electronic experiments kit that my grandfather gave me.


I loved that toy. Look, I can make a buzzer buzz! Hey Mom! look at the numbers I made!
 
2012-12-13 11:22:51 AM

MycroftHolmes: Bondith: Disclaimer: I actually fairly terrible in the lab.

Just make sure you the whole thing


*facepalm*

I accidentally the verb out.
 
2012-12-13 11:22:55 AM
LOOK YOU PRIMITIVE SCREW HEADS IT IS THE THE 21ST CENTURY AND IF A BOY WANTS TO DRESS IN PINK SHOES, PLAY WITH AN EASY BAKE OVEN, OR WEAR NAIL POLISH SO WHAT?!

Let them at least they are happy unlike 90% of you farktards.

He is just a kid and if he turns out homosexual who cares? I'd rather he be a happy, kind, loving person doing his own thing then a miserable conformist who hates himself and everyone else.
 
2012-12-13 11:23:05 AM
Why the hell do we still have this hang up in the media about men cooking?

We have Wolfgang Puck, Emeril, Tyler Florence, that jackass Bobby Flay, Mario Batali, Jacque Pepin, Anthony Bourdain, Gordon Ramsey, etc. Does that stupid old "Durrr men can't cook, that's a woman's job" still resonate that farkingmuch?
 
2012-12-13 11:23:51 AM

Gulper Eel: Learn how to cook reasonably well (without being a precious fusspot about it) and you will get laid.

If she gets picky about what you make her she's not a keeper anyway. This is my version of Sonny's Door Test.


Best thing I ever learned in high school was how to make a faux pasta primavera with noodles and vegetable dip. It was virtually impossible to screw up, and tasted good.

Served me well for years.
 
2012-12-13 11:24:12 AM
the boy, whose favorite animal is a zebra, replied that "ninjas can wear pink shoes too."

No, they can't. A ninja who wears pink shoes will be seen. A Ninja who wears pink shoes will die.

Stupid pink shoe wearing ninja kid.
 
2012-12-13 11:25:13 AM
www.timewarptoys.com
 
2012-12-13 11:26:20 AM

kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).


It's important to not the pendulum swing too far. It has been my experience that in college and dating afterwards that many women couldn't find their way around the kitchen. I suspect this was a result of parents not wanting to be sexist by teaching their daughters to cook.
 
2012-12-13 11:26:53 AM
I don't see this as two opposing sides. It's about letting kids make choices for themselves about things like clothes they wear or the toys they play with.
 
2012-12-13 11:27:10 AM

Gulper Eel: Learn how to cook reasonably well (without being a precious fusspot about it) and you will get laid.


There's Easy Bake's marketing campaign for boys. Who could possibly have a problem with it? :-)
 
2012-12-13 11:27:47 AM

BMFPitt: Why wouldn't a chef want to encourage learning to cook with a legitimate oven?


Because Easy Bake is a gateway oven.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:00 AM

Cythraul: I've found it amusing that the sexist idea of a male cook, which has been around for quite a while, is suddenly found acceptable if they're a professional chef. Put a fancy hat on them, and increase their technical skill in cooking and suddenly it's 'okay' for a man to be in the kitchen.


Growing up both my parents cooked. If it was mom I got soup or golouche(sp?) or spaghetti. If it was dad I had been served amazingness with a side of awesome sauce.

I can't really cook myself because unlike my father I never got pleasure out of it. But I can make a mean sandwich which fits nicely into my gender stereotype.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:17 AM
Oh, the Easy Bake Oven petition is on change.org if anyone else wants to sign it.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:48 AM
This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).

Also, we need fewer pretentious asshats running around calling themselves "Chefs." Do you work at a corporate restaurant where you have no control over the menu or recipes? You're a Kitchen Manager. Are you on the line cooking and not designing recipes or menus for your restaurant? You're a cook. Do you sit in an office all day and ONLY generate paperwork? You're a Foodservice Director. Do you create the recipes, menu, schedules, and work yourself to death on a daily basis? Okay, now you're getting to Chef territory.
 
2012-12-13 11:28:55 AM

tolallorti: So if you moved to Alaska, you'd be practically heterosexual in the winters, but The Duke Gaylord Supreme in the summer? And I guess if you live on the equator you're Bi or something. That's pretty neat.


And you get an extra hour of man-on-man action when you change the clocks for gaylight savings time.
 
2012-12-13 11:30:01 AM

JNowe: the boy, whose favorite animal is a zebra, replied that "ninjas can wear pink shoes too."

No, they can't. A ninja who wears pink shoes will be seen. A Ninja who wears pink shoes will die.

Stupid pink shoe wearing ninja kid.


The idea is that a ninja needs to blend in with his surroundings. If he's in a Hello Kitty convention or at the mall he'd blend in seamlessly.
 
2012-12-13 11:30:31 AM

WhippingBoy: Wait... women are supposed to be able to cook? Just a sec, I need to show this to my wife...


She doesn't have to cook if she's already hot.

/ a hottie actually told me that.
 
2012-12-13 11:30:53 AM

Sybarite: I had no idea how much the Easy-Bake Oven had changed.

[media.bonnint.net image 512x286]


THATS the easy bake oven? Mine was red and yellow in the shape of an actual commercial oven. Not whatever the heck that is
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2012-12-13 11:31:01 AM
Boys end up being better cooks anyway. It deals with numbers, math, science, chemistry, physics, etc. I mean, even Disney supports the notion that if a rat can cook, it's going to be a male rat.
 
2012-12-13 11:31:08 AM

Mr. Toadcheese: Easy-Bake ovens are crap. Teach your kids about real cooking; my cousin had her daughter help her make Christmas cookies this year, and the kid's still in preschool.


This. Instead of getting your kids a piece of pink plastic with a light bulb, spend some time teaching them how to cook, using real appliances.

CSB: When my sister and I were kids, my parents decided that it would be a good thing for us to learn to cook, and so during summer vacation, they had us plan and cook one family dinner each week. Ground rules were that the meals needed to be balanced, couldn't be repeated week after week, and needed to be something you actually cooked (i.e. no frozen pizza). Not only did we learn to cook, but other important stuff like reading a recipe and figuring out what ingredients needed to go on the shopping list.

More parents should do this sort of thing.
 
2012-12-13 11:31:41 AM

moothemagiccow: I don't get the pink/blue thing anyway. Pink is kind of an obnoxious color.

Also it's ok for men to cook if they're wearing an apron and standing in front of a grill outside.


It used to be opposite in the early 1900's. Blue was a girl's color and pink was for boys.

/And not just ones names Evelyn or Leslie...
 
2012-12-13 11:31:51 AM
They already tried to make an easy bake oven for boys, it didn't sell. It was called the Queasy Bake Cookerator.

www.samstoybox.com
 
2012-12-13 11:32:11 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

I had this "easy bake oven" when I was a kid, and it kicked ass.
 
2012-12-13 11:32:19 AM

BMFPitt: Why wouldn't a chef want to encourage learning to cook with a legitimate oven?


Because at the age where most kids are playing with an Easy Bake Oven, it is dangerous for them to use a real oven or other kitchen equipment.
 
2012-12-13 11:33:52 AM

StashMonster: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

Yeah, these days kids are likely to see Dad cooking just as much as Mum anyway - making "girly" play-cooking equipment anachronistic.


And hopefully mom's outside with the chainsaw or working on the car just as much as dad.
 
2012-12-13 11:34:20 AM
Ovens are power tools. Pink makes them harder to lose. Problem solved.
 
2012-12-13 11:34:29 AM

Eagles409: They already tried to make an easy bake oven for boys, it didn't sell. It was called the Queasy Bake Cookerator.

[www.samstoybox.com image 547x314]


Because moms still buy a majority of the toys, and that sure as hell would have never gone in my cart.
 
2012-12-13 11:34:59 AM
American culture seems to have difficulty letting go of rigidly-defined gender roles.

Here are some news from some of the more advanced corners of the world:
1. Men can wear pink and not be gay. The colour you wear does not alter your sexual inclination.
2. Men are allowed to cook and do housework
3. Women can make sammiches for men if they like, but they don't have to
4. Women do not adopt their husband's name upon marriage

Kid wants to wear pink zebra shoes ? let him wear pink zebra shoes. Seriously, aren't there more imoprtant things to worry about ?
 
2012-12-13 11:36:07 AM

Bondith: Cythraul: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

I forced myself to learn how to cook in my mid twenties out of necessity, and eventually learned that I find it quite enjoyable. I got tired of eating junk (frozen pizza, fast food burger places, hot pockets, little debbie snacks, and so on) and decided I missed a nice home cooked meal.

Mum made sure I had at least one recipe under my belt before I left home. Being a chemist helped as well, since cooking is basically kitchen chemistry. (Disclaimer: I actually fairly terrible in the lab.)

I've found it amusing that the sexist idea of a male cook, which has been around for quite a while, is suddenly found acceptable if they're a professional chef. Put a fancy hat on them, and increase their technical skill in cooking and suddenly it's 'okay' for a man to be in the kitchen.

Not only that, once they get their funny hat and their chromed ovens, suddenly women aren't allowed to play anymore. Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.


Not true. I have worked for a female chef who had been a private chef before opening her own place.

b>gittlebass: aren't most professional chefs men?

Yes! Throughout history it has been mostly so. To be a professional chef usually means cooking large quantities for many people. Men can sling those 50-lb. sacks of flour, sides of beef, & 10-gal pots of liquid. And bone the waitresses.
 
2012-12-13 11:36:31 AM

tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).


An ex of mine made me do all the cooking and cleaning, then biatched at me for not being a man.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-12-13 11:36:47 AM

HMS_Blinkin: kid_icarus: Implying that cooking is gender-specific to females is not only sexist, it's asinine in today's world. Chances are your son isn't going to marry a nice girl to cook & clean for him right out of high school. He probably needs to at least know his way around the kitchen a little bit (unless he just wants to eat fast food all the time, be morbidly obese and dead by 45).

That, plus the fact that girls nowadays LOVE it when guys can cook. My girlfriend is an outstanding cook, and she loves to do it (which is great for me!), but even she likes that I can make her something if she's tired/stressed/not feeling well. If you're raising your sons to not know how to cook, you're really making dating and getting married more challenging for them.


Ayup, wifey loves that I cook. Her family all tell her they envy her for it. I've heard several of them do it while I was in the room. More than once. Which just shows how far the rest of the males steer clear of anything that doesn't involve a grill, but I don't mind. I love the process (but farking hate the clean up).
 
2012-12-13 11:38:37 AM
"interesting" instead of "asinine"?
 
2012-12-13 11:39:29 AM

Bondith: tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).

An ex of mine made me do all the cooking and cleaning, then biatched at me for not being a man.


"Made" you?!?

\she's right - you aren't a man if anyone can "make" you do all the cooking & cleaning
 
2012-12-13 11:40:06 AM

trappedspirit: This sounds like the same side of the internet


Came here to say this.
 
2012-12-13 11:40:08 AM

CoonAce: Bondith: Cythraul: kid_icarus:
I've found it amusing that the sexist idea of a male cook, which has been around for quite a while, is suddenly found acceptable if they're a professional chef. Put a fancy hat on them, and increase their technical skill in cooking and suddenly it's 'okay' for a man to be in the kitchen.

Not only that, once they get their funny hat and their chromed ovens, suddenly women aren't allowed to play anymore. Only a woman can cook for her family, but only a man can get paid to cook for strangers.

Not true. I have worked for a female chef who had been a private chef before opening her own place.


I may not have quite caught up with the times yet. Pretend I was speaking in past tense like your comment below.

b>gittlebass: aren't most professional chefs men?

Yes! Throughout history it has been mostly so. To be a professional chef usually means cooking large quantities for many people. Men can sling those 50-lb. sacks of flour, sides of beef, & 10-gal pots of liquid. And bone the waitresses.
 
2012-12-13 11:40:57 AM

CheekyMonkey: More parents people should do this sort of thing.

 
2012-12-13 11:41:02 AM

LaraAmber: BMFPitt: Why wouldn't a chef want to encourage learning to cook with a legitimate oven?

Because at the age where most kids are playing with an Easy Bake Oven, it is dangerous for them to use a real oven or other kitchen equipment.


Unsupervised. It is very important that we give children toys they can play with unsupervised.

If you want a kid's interest in something, make it seem grown-up and potentially dangerous.
 
2012-12-13 11:41:36 AM
Who gives a shiat about the boy wearing pink slippers? He farking *liked* them. Anyone that worries about "forcing a gender role" on a kid over a stupid pair of shoes is an idiot. He's still in a flippin' car seat, for crying out loud. Stop acting like every tiny decision he (or the parent) makes has any influence over his sexuality or understanding of society's expectations.

I've never had an Easy Bake Oven; I was never interested. I always thought it was just another overpriced POS toy. I have 5 boys, and they're all learning how to cook with an *actual* oven. I'm no pro chef by any stretch, but they know how to make basic things and follow a recipe.
 
2012-12-13 11:42:11 AM

tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).


More anecdote, but I agree. Growing up, I watched my dad cook. I know my wife saw her step-dad cook, but she can't cook to save her life, so I do 90% of it in our family (90%, because it's really hard for her to mess up a box of mac & cheese).
 
2012-12-13 11:42:25 AM
1. Start this gender bending bullshiat in a proto feminist gender queer movement
2. Get everyone on board to support it, including females
3. Act shocked when women say they cant find a real man.

gender rolls exist for a reason. Mostly to keep a society in shape and full of people capable of defending it. It exists to define and strengthen a culture. We now live in the selfish "me" culture of the western world, good old roman era hedonism wrapped up in a flag of gay rights and "gender equality"
 
2012-12-13 11:43:37 AM

impaler: I think I used my sister's easy-bake more than she did.

/if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself, and I want brownies.


MMMMM brownies. Until recently (work schedule issues) I did the majority of the cooking. When I was growing up my step-father did most of the cooking, and was very good. I learned a lot about cooking from him. My wife main influence (mother) is the microwave queen, so she doesnt do much real cooking.

However, I think I like baking better. Brownies, pies, cookies. Dont do much of it anymore these days. Working 3rd shift and dodging the mother-in-law pus a cramp on it. Im sure Ill be back to it after we get our own place again.
 
2012-12-13 11:44:11 AM

capt.hollister: 1. Men can wear pink and not be gay. The colour you wear does not alter your sexual inclination.
2. Men are allowed to cook and do housework
3. Women can make sammiches for men if they like, but they don't have to
4. Women do not adopt their husband's name upon marriage


Heh, regarding 1 I'd rather have NO one wear a majorly pink piece of clothing. Sure, pink accessories or pink trimming / secondary color on a shirt, okay, but a full pink piece? Yuck...

And regarding 4, I don't care which person gets the other's name, but what's going to happen to the kids? It can get messy.
 
2012-12-13 11:44:16 AM

MycroftHolmes: At most, his choice of fashion could be his way of announcing his orientation, but he is probably too young for that to be the case.


Oh my god it's a farking pair of shoes
 
2012-12-13 11:44:49 AM

CheekyMonkey: Bondith: tallen702: This is just anecdotal by all means, but in my experience, guys wind up cooking in my generation waaaay more than women do. Every couple I know in the 26-35 year old range right now, the boyfriend/husband is the one doing the cooking while the girlfriend/wife needs directions on how to brown meat (true story).

An ex of mine made me do all the cooking and cleaning, then biatched at me for not being a man.

"Made" you?!?

\she's right - you aren't a man if anyone can "make" you do all the cooking & cleaning


She wasn't going to bloody do it, and I was hungry. It's also hard to say know when it's phrased like "Could you make your pasta primavera? I really really like it."

Besides, every man has a point at which he just gives in to make the whining and shrieking stop.

/I have since realised that the correct response to biatchiness is not spineless acquiesence but rather "If you don't like who I am, the door's over there."
 
2012-12-13 11:45:46 AM
What's the point of starting production of a "male-oriented" Easy-Bake Oven? Won't all Easy-Bake Ovens be worthless when the light bulbs are no longer available?
 
2012-12-13 11:46:30 AM

teeny: Who gives a shiat about the boy wearing pink slippers? He farking *liked* them. Anyone that worries about "forcing a gender role" on a kid over a stupid pair of shoes is an idiot. He's still in a flippin' car seat, for crying out loud. Stop acting like every tiny decision he (or the parent) makes has any influence over his sexuality or understanding of society's expectations.

I've never had an Easy Bake Oven; I was never interested. I always thought it was just another overpriced POS toy. I have 5 boys, and they're all learning how to cook with an *actual* oven. I'm no pro chef by any stretch, but they know how to make basic things and follow a recipe.


The only issue is that he needs to understand that there will likely be peer feedback from making a non-traditional decision. She gave him that information, he made his choice. This is how accountability and responsibility is taught. Don't just beat down your kids into accepting your edicts as canon, but let them (within reason) make their decisions based on an understanding of the consequences.
 
2012-12-13 11:46:46 AM

atomicmask: 1. Start this gender bending bullshiat in a proto feminist gender queer movement
2. Get everyone on board to support it, including females
3. Act shocked when women say they cant find a real man.

gender rolls exist for a reason.


Rolls are delicious, no matter what gender they are.
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2012-12-13 11:46:50 AM
Woah woah woah woah. When did the 13 year old girl become a top chef?
 
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