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2012-12-13 08:25:37 AM  
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2012-12-13 08:33:08 AM  
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2012-12-13 08:54:02 AM  
I think they should vote to dissolve the conference, just for the sheer chaos of it.
 
2012-12-13 09:27:36 AM  
i think this move actually makes sense. basketball-only schools from the Big East align and split off.
 
2012-12-13 09:35:02 AM  
It's unknown whether they would attempt to dissolve the league or leave the league as a group. The league can be dissolved in a vote of the league members by a two-thirds majority, according to Big East bylaws. With all of the Big East's recent defections, there are only 10 members (the seven non-FBS schools, plus Cincinnati, UConn and South Florida) that can vote on the league dissolving.

A source told ESPN on Wednesday that Temple, as a football-only member, has voting rights but can't vote on dissolution of the league. With Temple unable to vote, that gives the seven basketball schools enough votes to dissolve the league.


With either option, the Big East is SOL.
 
2012-12-13 09:50:35 AM  
Well we're gonna to go then! And we don't need any of this. we don't need this stuff, and we don't need *you*. We don't need anything. Except this. And that's the only thing we need is *this*. We don't need this or this. Just Seton Hall... And Georgetown. Seton Hall and Georgetown and that's all we need... And Marquette. Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Marquette, and that's all we need... And St. John's. Seton Hall, and Georgetown, and Marquette, and St. John's... And DePaul. - Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Marquette, and St. John's, and that's all *we* need. And that's *all* we need too. We don't need one other thing, not one... We need this. - Seton Hall and Villanova, and Georgetown, and St. John's for sure. Well what are you looking at? What do you think we're some kinds of a jerk or something! And this. That's all we need. Georgetown, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, and DePaul. And we don't need one other thing, except Notre Dame.

[Notre Dame growls at Big East]

We don't need Notre Dame.
 
2012-12-13 09:58:24 AM  
Don't care. Just wondering how this effects tournament bids. Too many at large bids IMO anyway.
 
2012-12-13 09:58:53 AM  

SlothB77: With either option, the Big East is SOL.


This is the case if you don't have big football apparently. When the music stops there will not be any open chairs for those schools.

As a group, these guys can put together a reasonable basketball conference. It makes a lot of sense. And they are all fairly regional, so non-rev sports don't get hurt too much by ridiculous travel distances.
 
2012-12-13 10:02:01 AM  
If they did decide to form their own conference, what would they call it?
 
2012-12-13 10:03:39 AM  

The Bestest: If they did decide to form their own conference, what would they call it?


The Small East.
 
2012-12-13 10:08:04 AM  
So which league would this "Small East" raid to fill out it's roster? The A10?
 
2012-12-13 10:11:18 AM  

The Bestest: If they did decide to form their own conference, what would they call it?


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2012-12-13 10:13:49 AM  

jayhawk88: So which league would this "Small East" raid to fill out it's roster? The A10?


Boston College comes to mind if they try to do the whole Catholic league thing.
 
2012-12-13 10:28:58 AM  
So, to move my comment over from the dead thread...

Honestly, look at many of the other college sports.... a lot of them have their own "conferences" that don't align up with the "traditional" conferences... hockey and volleyball I am familiar with (living in area's where the local colleges had teams in those sports that played in those "special" conferences), but, I'm sure other sports have them too.

It is probably about time to make the traditional conferences just for football, and even basketball, if necessary, to have it's own conferences that benefit it's own interest.
 
2012-12-13 10:30:40 AM  

The Bestest: jayhawk88: So which league would this "Small East" raid to fill out it's roster? The A10?

Boston College comes to mind if they try to do the whole Catholic league thing.


Not sure BC would do it if there's no football. I'd guess Xavier and/or St. Joe's. There are some other smaller ones like Fordham, Duquesne, Siena, St. Bonaventure, Iona, etc. out there too. But that might be getting too small.
 
2012-12-13 10:33:48 AM  
you know this makes lots and lots of sense. the big east was formed as a basketball conference they let football schools in to chase the money they thought teams like miami could provide. turns out football schools hate the big east and kept leaving and otherwise farking up the basketball conference. so why not return to your roots and tell football schools they can go fark themselves?
 
2012-12-13 10:40:33 AM  

FreakinB: The Bestest: jayhawk88: So which league would this "Small East" raid to fill out it's roster? The A10?

Boston College comes to mind if they try to do the whole Catholic league thing.

Not sure BC would do it if there's no football. I'd guess Xavier and/or St. Joe's. There are some other smaller ones like Fordham, Duquesne, Siena, St. Bonaventure, Iona, etc. out there too. But that might be getting too small.


but if i recall correctly they don't need to raid anyone. isn't 7 the minimum for an automatic bid? sure with 7 schools you only get 12 conference games (assuming a home and home style schedule), but the 7 would keep the big east bid so they don't need to raid if they don't feel like there's any school that matches their dating profile. that said, xavier and st joe both fit the basketball primary catholic university theme, and with 9 you get a more respectable 16 conference games.
 
2012-12-13 10:42:33 AM  
Dayton, St Louis.

You can bring back the Great Midwest!
 
2012-12-13 10:58:40 AM  

The Bestest: If they did decide to form their own conference, what would they call it?


Irrelevant.
 
2012-12-13 11:14:05 AM  

halfof33: You can bring back the Great Midwest!


You almost owe me one keyboard.

If you can either pull in some of the other big, or at least moderately good, basketball schools - Butler and Xavier come to mind - you could have a halfway decent conference on your hands. I also don't think it would be beyond the realm of possibility to pull Notre Dame back in with the idea that, "Well, we won't have a football conference, so you can remain independent and continue to play whoever you damn well please," which they seem to be stuck on, despite their agreement to join ACC football in everything but the standings.
 
2012-12-13 11:21:29 AM  

thecpt: Don't care. Just wondering how this effects tournament bids. Too many at large bids IMO anyway.


FTFA
"If the seven schools decide to move to a new league, they would keep their automatic berth in the NCAA tournament. NCAA rules state that as long as a group of seven universities have been in the same league for five years, they would keep their bid after a move together." 

About half the field is made up of automatic bids. While that is a lot it keeps all lower leagues relevant and gives those conference winners a chance to hang with the big boys.
 
2012-12-13 12:38:20 PM  

The Bestest: If they did decide to form their own conference, what would they call it?


The Northern Division of the Patriot League?

Also, fark everything about this if it kills Big East football. I'm becoming convinced there's a conspiracy against ECU football.
 
2012-12-13 12:52:07 PM  

UNC_Samurai: The Bestest: If they did decide to form their own conference, what would they call it?

The Northern Division of the Patriot League?

Also, fark everything about this if it kills Big East football. I'm becoming convinced there's a conspiracy against ECU football.


big east football is trying to kill and has mutilated big east basketball (and basketball was there first and thus is the original gangster if you will). thus it makes sense that big east basketball would try to kill big east football. which as we know, sucks worst than duke and no one is going to miss it.
 
2012-12-13 01:18:37 PM  
FTFA: Brey also said the discussion among the Catholic schools was to make it a national Catholic conference with Xavier, Saint Louis, Dayton, Creighton, Gonzaga and possibly Saint Mary's as well.

On paper, this sounds like it would actually be a really interesting basketball conference. The only problem is that the two West Coast teams would have an absolutely brutal travel schedule. I'd be surprised if anyone defects from the WCC.
 
2012-12-13 01:19:46 PM  

UNC_Samurai: The Bestest: If they did decide to form their own conference, what would they call it?

The Northern Division of the Patriot League?

Also, fark everything about this if it kills Big East football. I'm becoming convinced there's a conspiracy against ECU football.


Oh please. Big East football is already dead; what you're seeing is the thrashing about right before the Conference USA chestburster (aka Directional Flyover State U) breaks through.
 
2012-12-13 01:36:30 PM  

Cagey B: FTFA: Brey also said the discussion among the Catholic schools was to make it a national Catholic conference with Xavier, Saint Louis, Dayton, Creighton, Gonzaga and possibly Saint Mary's as well.

On paper, this sounds like it would actually be a really interesting basketball conference. The only problem is that the two West Coast teams would have an absolutely brutal travel schedule. I'd be surprised if anyone defects from the WCC.


You could solve the west coast thing by having the west coast teams do 2 long road trips where they hit 1/2 of the east coast schools each time. Long road trips, but, then long stretches at home as well. The east coast schools would make sure they hit both west coast teams on 1 trip out west.

It would be tricky, but possible.
 
2012-12-13 01:55:58 PM  
1. I can see the Catholic schools keeping the Big East title.

2. Will be interesting to see what happens with the A-10, if anything, schools like VCU, Butler, etc.

3. UConn, Cincinnati out in the cold, scrambling to find a home.

4. This will accelerate Maryland's buy-out from the ACC, which may lead to other schools bolting (or not bolting) the ACC, such as FSU and Clemson.
 
2012-12-13 01:57:53 PM  
Remarkably, this is already taken:

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2012-12-13 02:00:52 PM  

Vegan T-Rex: Remarkably, this is already taken:

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It is like those KFC "little" commercials.... when you are Div III, you embrace the "Little".
 
2012-12-13 02:43:20 PM  
To the subby's comment, if they do want the Pope, maybe they can get the Pontifical Lateran University a basketball team.
 
2012-12-13 04:41:32 PM  
Those 7 schools would make a pretty good basketball conference. This also might explain why Villanova continually refuses to step up to FBS and join the Big East football teams.

Theoretically, though, if the Big East were dissolved by these teams... what happens to the football teams.

It seems obvious that they all just re-band back together as a conference under some other name. But they would all be free-agents, so there could be some poaching. Would someone make a play for UConn? Would Boise and San Diego State, who only joined for a shot at being an AQ conference, be tempted to go back to the Mountain West?
 
2012-12-13 05:17:56 PM  

Vegan T-Rex: Remarkably, this is already taken:

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As someone who lives in the hometown of said conference and one of its founding schools, I'm getting a kick....

\Go Corsairs!
 
2012-12-13 05:27:20 PM  
Also, as a graduate of one of said Big East non-football schools, I'd love for this to happen. I'd also fully endorse dletter's plan of getting FBS schools on their own conferences, away from all this retarded alignment that has exactly zero to do with most of the rest of college sports. The sooner we realize this, the better college sports will be.
 
2012-12-13 07:00:10 PM  
I hate to rain on this rumor fest ESPN seems to shoot all over itself, but UNC isn't going any damn where without member schools Wake, Duke, State...and if it came down to it Virginia and Clemson. Hate to spread knowledge on a rumor mill, but the core 4, and possibly 2 more won't move alone. Dumbshiats that do their best fox news coverage of sports, hype hype, have no freaking clue what the hell they are talking about.
 
2012-12-13 07:18:38 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: 1. I can see the Catholic schools keeping the Big East title.

2. Will be interesting to see what happens with the A-10, if anything, schools like VCU, Butler, etc.

3. UConn, Cincinnati out in the cold, scrambling to find a home.

4. This will accelerate Maryland's buy-out from the ACC, which may lead to other schools bolting (or not bolting) the ACC, such as FSU and Clemson.


You have no clue what you are talking about, to start this off. Fla State dreams of being in the SEC and they may one day be maybe next time they expand. I highly doubt they would, but you never know, like Marlyland proved...an extra 5 mil a year and the chance to say fark you seems to be all it takes. They do however know they would never win a championship in the SEC and can yearly get a pass in the craptastic ACC if they can quit shiating the bed against NC State. Maryland has an athletic department full of Big 10 people that can override everyone else. But Clemson does not, they are not Maryland, and as I stated earlier about UNC...anyone floating that rumor is farking clueless. Clemson is going to be tied to the core 4 from the ACC first off, second off...they know they would never win in the SEC, at least titles. And trust me the old guard that rules Clemson athletics, they will take an ACC title and a BCS bowl over a thumping at the hands of Alabama every year any day of the week. They will cough up the extra few mil to make sure.
 
2012-12-13 07:33:29 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: 1. I can see the Catholic schools keeping the Big East title.

2. Will be interesting to see what happens with the A-10, if anything, schools like VCU, Butler, etc.

3. UConn, Cincinnati out in the cold, scrambling to find a home.

4. This will accelerate Maryland's buy-out from the ACC, which may lead to other schools bolting (or not bolting) the ACC, such as FSU and Clemson.


in case you missed it, Cincy has a home, UConn will soon. If you think the ACC is gonna back down off the buyout for Maryland you are sadly mistaken. Unless a judge rules for Maryland the big 10 can expect to be writing a check for 50 million to have another doormat, and a foot in the DC market...a market the ACC will still be in.
 
2012-12-13 07:39:28 PM  

YonderScott: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: 1. I can see the Catholic schools keeping the Big East title.

2. Will be interesting to see what happens with the A-10, if anything, schools like VCU, Butler, etc.

3. UConn, Cincinnati out in the cold, scrambling to find a home.

4. This will accelerate Maryland's buy-out from the ACC, which may lead to other schools bolting (or not bolting) the ACC, such as FSU and Clemson.

You have no clue what you are talking about, to start this off. Fla State dreams of being in the SEC and they may one day be maybe next time they expand. I highly doubt they would, but you never know, like Marlyland proved...an extra 5 mil a year and the chance to say fark you seems to be all it takes. They do however know they would never win a championship in the SEC and can yearly get a pass in the craptastic ACC if they can quit shiating the bed against NC State. Maryland has an athletic department full of Big 10 people that can override everyone else. But Clemson does not, they are not Maryland, and as I stated earlier about UNC...anyone floating that rumor is farking clueless. Clemson is going to be tied to the core 4 from the ACC first off, second off...they know they would never win in the SEC, at least titles. And trust me the old guard that rules Clemson athletics, they will take an ACC title and a BCS bowl over a thumping at the hands of Alabama every year any day of the week. They will cough up the extra few mil to make sure.


FSU cannot join the SEC. Florida will never let them.

Maryland will not pay the entire 50 million. There are things called lawyers. It will be settled somewhere much farther south of there. Whatever that amount is, Clemson and FSU will calculate whether they can afford to move out of the wobbly, football-weak ACC.

Why in the world is Clemson tied to the 'core' of the ACC? Ever since they moved it's been a disaster football-wise. USC has rocketed past them.

What kind of home does Cincinnati have? Seriously? A second rate conference? What conference is going to pull UConn? The ACC? Maybe, but they just passed them over for Louisville.

The ACC has to be feeling the heat, with GA Tech and Virginia also looking around. Regardless, you TRULY have no idea about any of this.

Wow, a moron shooting his mouth off without the facts.
 
2012-12-13 08:46:06 PM  
Update: they're officially gone. Now it's just a question of whether they'll just leave, or whether they'll vote to disband the Big East. I'm guessing they'll use their leverage to keep their conference tournament at Madison Square Garden, but let Cincy, UConn, and USF hold onto the "Big East" name (whatever that's worth).

BTW, this is the second time a conference tried to have 16 or more teams, and the second time it failed spectacularly. If the ACC does go ahead and add UConn and Cincy, Clemson and Florida State will join the Big XII within ten years.
 
2012-12-13 09:10:44 PM  
Look at the TV markets if they bring in the eastern A10 teams:

Fordham & St. John's - New York
Marquette - Milwaukee
Villanova & St. Joe's - Philadelphia
Xavier - Cincinnati
DePaul - Chicago
Seton Hall - New Jersey
Providence - Rhode Island
Georgetown - D.C.
Duquesne - Pittsburgh
Marquette - Milwaukee
And then maybe Dayton, Detroit Mercy, St. Louis
Or go west with Creighton and Gonzaga

Could really be a viable conference.

Realizing football is king, what happens when former college football players take the same route that former NFL players have taken and start suing due to concussions and other injuries?

Football revenue dries up as colleges can't afford to field teams (except, of course, the SEC because concussions actually improve intellectual ability of conference players).

Seriously smart move looking ahead the next 20 years.
 
2012-12-13 10:07:48 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Look at the TV markets if they bring in the eastern A10 teams:

Fordham & St. John's - New York
Marquette - Milwaukee
Villanova & St. Joe's - Philadelphia
Xavier - Cincinnati
DePaul - Chicago
Seton Hall - New Jersey
Providence - Rhode Island
Georgetown - D.C.
Duquesne - Pittsburgh
Marquette - Milwaukee
And then maybe Dayton, Detroit Mercy, St. Louis
Or go west with Creighton and Gonzaga

Could really be a viable conference.

Realizing football is king, what happens when former college football players take the same route that former NFL players have taken and start suing due to concussions and other injuries?

Football revenue dries up as colleges can't afford to field teams (except, of course, the SEC because concussions actually improve intellectual ability of conference players).

Seriously smart move looking ahead the next 20 years.


If they go west, I would say they would also grab St Mary's and BYU as well. Plus your leaving off VCU if they decide to raid the A10. I would have to agree with you that this would be a tremendous basketball conference. Although it is starting to look like what the big east was going to be in football.
 
2012-12-13 10:12:05 PM  

cmackchase: If they go west, I would say they would also grab St Mary's and BYU as well. Plus your leaving off VCU if they decide to raid the A10. I would have to agree with you that this would be a tremendous basketball conference. Although it is starting to look like what the big east was going to be in football.


..somehow, I don't see a Catholic league going after BYU
 
2012-12-13 10:28:59 PM  

The Bestest: cmackchase: If they go west, I would say they would also grab St Mary's and BYU as well. Plus your leaving off VCU if they decide to raid the A10. I would have to agree with you that this would be a tremendous basketball conference. Although it is starting to look like what the big east was going to be in football.

..somehow, I don't see a Catholic league going after BYU


No, but you would need a couple of west coast schools to pair with Gonzaga, cause the reports are they are interested in joining the upcoming New Big East/Catholic league. And looking out west, your options are slim for legit schools. You have St. Mary's as a shoe in, and after them, the only school with a national brand is BYU. I get they are Mormon, but they have a following and good program.
 
2012-12-13 11:37:02 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Could really be a viable conference.


Without football nobody will give a shiat, even at Kentucky the football program brings in more cash that the basketball program, Bball is footballs biatch, nobody even gives a shiat about the NBA until football is over, same with college......
 
2012-12-14 01:39:10 AM  

Mentat: Well we're gonna to go then! And we don't need any of this. we don't need this stuff, and we don't need *you*. We don't need anything. Except this. And that's the only thing we need is *this*. We don't need this or this. Just Seton Hall... And Georgetown. Seton Hall and Georgetown and that's all we need... And Marquette. Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Marquette, and that's all we need... And St. John's. Seton Hall, and Georgetown, and Marquette, and St. John's... And DePaul. - Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Marquette, and St. John's, and that's all *we* need. And that's *all* we need too. We don't need one other thing, not one... We need this. - Seton Hall and Villanova, and Georgetown, and St. John's for sure. Well what are you looking at? What do you think we're some kinds of a jerk or something! And this. That's all we need. Georgetown, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, and DePaul. And we don't need one other thing, except Notre Dame.

[Notre Dame growls at Big East]

We don't need Notre Dame.


Tell me you were born as a poor black child in Mississippi...
 
2012-12-14 08:32:27 AM  

Mentat: Well we're gonna to go then! And we don't need any of this. we don't need this stuff, and we don't need *you*. We don't need anything. Except this. And that's the only thing we need is *this*. We don't need this or this. Just Seton Hall... And Georgetown. Seton Hall and Georgetown and that's all we need... And Marquette. Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Marquette, and that's all we need... And St. John's. Seton Hall, and Georgetown, and Marquette, and St. John's... And DePaul. - Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Marquette, and St. John's, and that's all *we* need. And that's *all* we need too. We don't need one other thing, not one... We need this. - Seton Hall and Villanova, and Georgetown, and St. John's for sure. Well what are you looking at? What do you think we're some kinds of a jerk or something! And this. That's all we need. Georgetown, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, and DePaul. And we don't need one other thing, except Notre Dame.

[Notre Dame growls at Big East]

We don't need Notre Dame.


Our chief weapon is St. John's, St. John's and Georgetown. Georgetown and St. John's. Our two weapons are Georgetown and St. John's and Villanova. Our THREE weapons are Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova, and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope!

/and nice red uniforms
 
2012-12-14 04:53:00 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Update: they're officially gone. Now it's just a question of whether they'll just leave, or whether they'll vote to disband the Big East. I'm guessing they'll use their leverage to keep their conference tournament at Madison Square Garden, but let Cincy, UConn, and USF hold onto the "Big East" name (whatever that's worth).

BTW, this is the second time a conference tried to have 16 or more teams, and the second time it failed spectacularly. If the ACC does go ahead and add UConn and Cincy, Clemson and Florida State will join the Big XII within ten years.


The problem wasn't the number of schools. It was that a hybrid conference of schools that play all sports and those that only play some can't work.
 
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