It's back..... but it's not the same. :(

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

I'm disappointed. I guess I assumed it would be just like the old Google Maps app, with maybe some new features thrown in. I didn't realize that the tight integration with the rest of the iPhone was one of the things I loved about the old app. I really miss the drop pins too.

However, usability is one thing but accuracy is another. Plus, public transportation is a major plus. So.... even though it's a pale shade of its former glory I'll use you Google Maps but I'll always remember you as you were.

but the tobacco companies have been using that business plan for decades now

/brb, gotta smoke

Jobs would have kicked someone's balls right up into their brainpan for this.

How nice of them to offer a choice. Choices...what will those wizards of Cupertino come up with next.

Just get the .apk file of the old one offline and install it as a third party app.

Oh...wait...nevermind.


Although, I really wish there was an iTunes app for Android. Every music player on Android sucks and there aren't any good music management or syncing applications for PCs that work like iTunes but for Android. I already use iTunes as my music player and for my two iPods. If they just made a iTunes app for Android I could have seemless syncing across all three platforms including play counts, ratings, last position etc. And iTunes is one of the very very few music apps that lets you nest your music in a Genre->Artist->Album->Song order. Mixzing is the only one for Android that works this same way. Every other one including the native Google Music only works with 3 levels. So Genre->Album->Song or Artist->Album->Song. It's very cumbersome.

taurusowner: Just get the .apk file of the old one offline and install it as a third party app.

Oh...wait...nevermind.


Although, I really wish there was an iTunes app for Android. Every music player on Android sucks and there aren't any good music management or syncing applications for PCs that work like iTunes but for Android. I already use iTunes as my music player and for my two iPods. If they just made a iTunes app for Android I could have seemless syncing across all three platforms including play counts, ratings, last position etc. And iTunes is one of the very very few music apps that lets you nest your music in a Genre->Artist->Album->Song order. Mixzing is the only one for Android that works this same way. Every other one including the native Google Music only works with 3 levels. So Genre->Album->Song or Artist->Album->Song. It's very cumbersome.

If you want to get the infinite joy of every single Android dev who's ever hit this problem, write a multiply expanding list. (As of 2.2, the last time I programmed for Android,) The expanding list class could only expand out into lists. So you can only get 2 levels off the expanding list. So in this case, you get a list of Artists, each of which expands into a list of albums, each of which shifts you over to another view that lists the album's songs. If you want to do 2 nestings, you have to either write your own expanding list class, or shift them over into a 2nd view for the last expansion.

It's excellent. Very smooth and the features are great for an app that's only 6.7 mb in size. And to think its only the first effort.

taurusowner: I really wish there was an iTunes app for Android. Every music player on Android sucks and there aren't any good music management or syncing applications for PCs that work like iTunes but for Android.

WHY?!?!?!?!

iTunes sucks hairy donkey balls. Why would you forgo the awesome choice of drag and dropping your music into the phone for iTunes of all things?

It's like saying "y'know what? I'd love to have cancer so I can get chemo and thus get a hairless head". Why? Just shave it!

haemaker: Keep in mind, they slapped this together in a few months. They weren't even sure it would be accepted. I imagine there will be a subsequent version that is more app like.

Which is complete bullshiat. Google knew this was happening for months if not a year before Apple pulled the app. Same with the youtube app. And people within google should be fired if they didn't see this happening.

Apple removes YouTube and Google Maps from iOS6. Both get released as stand alone apps improved over their former stock selves. Other than the 3 months of using Apple Maps (or just using Maps.Google.com) I'm not seeing the downside.

They both are really much better than they were, Google hadn't done jack to update either one in years when they were stock.

rocky_howard: taurusowner: I really wish there was an iTunes app for Android. Every music player on Android sucks and there aren't any good music management or syncing applications for PCs that work like iTunes but for Android.

WHY?!?!?!?!

iTunes sucks hairy donkey balls. Why would you forgo the awesome choice of drag and dropping your music into the phone for iTunes of all things?

It's like saying "y'know what? I'd love to have cancer so I can get chemo and thus get a hairless head". Why? Just shave it!

Drag and drop is awesome for a few songs. When your dealing with tons of albums iTunes actually does do a great job of organizing.

rocky_howard: taurusowner: I really wish there was an iTunes app for Android. Every music player on Android sucks and there aren't any good music management or syncing applications for PCs that work like iTunes but for Android.

WHY?!?!?!?!

iTunes sucks hairy donkey balls. Why would you forgo the awesome choice of drag and dropping your music into the phone for iTunes of all things?

It's like saying "y'know what? I'd love to have cancer so I can get chemo and thus get a hairless head". Why? Just shave it!

There are those of us that like a managed interface that can quickly allow for playlists to be made and stuff to be sorted by various metadata, or even just sync a setup that's already on the computer. I really don't care about managing the file structure of hundreds or thousands of music files.

OriginalGamer:

Drag and drop is awesome for a few songs. When your dealing with tons of albums iTunes actually does do a great job of organizing.

Not a problem if you already have your music properly organized in folders.

I just don't like iTunes "magical" way of working. Plus I like to hear what I like at the moment I want. Not some "magical" DJ feature that picks the songs I like the least out of my folders :P

Arthur Jumbles: I'm disappointed. I guess I assumed it would be just like the old Google Maps app, with maybe some new features thrown in. I didn't realize that the tight integration with the rest of the iPhone was one of the things I loved about the old app. I really miss the drop pins too.

However, usability is one thing but accuracy is another. Plus, public transportation is a major plus. So.... even though it's a pale shade of its former glory I'll use you Google Maps but I'll always remember you as you were.

As someone who still uses a launch iPhone, I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies...

/IOS3.2 FTW
//Jailbroken, of course
///I'll upgrade to a Droid when it dies
////Been saying that for the last 3 years

rocky_howard: OriginalGamer:

Drag and drop is awesome for a few songs. When your dealing with tons of albums iTunes actually does do a great job of organizing.

Not a problem if you already have your music properly organized in folders.

I just don't like iTunes "magical" way of working. Plus I like to hear what I like at the moment I want. Not some "magical" DJ feature that picks the songs I like the least out of my folders :P

Except I have 20,484 songs and audio books, with associated Play Counts, Album Art, Star Ratings, and Last Positions that I already sync with an iPod Classic and an iPod Nano. Drag and drop simply cannot keep up with this. I like being able to rate a new song 5 stars on my PC and have it automatically populate to the "Top Rated" playlists on both iPods, I like being able to stop halfway through a 1 hour audiobook chapter on my home audio system and have it resume exactly where I stopped on my iPod in my car automatically. I like being able to have a "recently added" smart playlist that automatically pulls the most recent tracks from my podcasts, then removes them after I listen to them on each different platform without me having to go through and delete them by hand. Drag and drop simply cannot accomplish any of this. iTunes can. And I would like to add my Android phone to this as well. 

And I also like to hear what I want at the moment. And letting my browse by looking through Genre>Artist>Album>Song is the easiest way for me to do this. ITunes is the only app that really does this well. Ever other music application that uses metadata only using three levels of nested organization. Browse by Genre and it lists all the Albums in that Genre. That may be fine if you have a few hundred songs over a few dozen Albums. But I currently have 10056 Albums. Without the 4 levels of nesting, actually searching for something is next to impossible. And iTunes is the only music managing application I know of that lets me do this.

taurusowner: Just get the .apk file of the old one offline and install it as a third party app.

Oh...wait...nevermind.


Although, I really wish there was an iTunes app for Android. Every music player on Android sucks and there aren't any good music management or syncing applications for PCs that work like iTunes but for Android. I already use iTunes as my music player and for my two iPods. If they just made a iTunes app for Android I could have seemless syncing across all three platforms including play counts, ratings, last position etc. And iTunes is one of the very very few music apps that lets you nest your music in a Genre->Artist->Album->Song order. Mixzing is the only one for Android that works this same way. Every other one including the native Google Music only works with 3 levels. So Genre->Album->Song or Artist->Album->Song. It's very cumbersome.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.doubleTwist.androidP layer has a 5€ plugin for wireless sync with itunes, could help

Doubletwist organizes Genre>Album>Song not Genre>Artitst>Album>Song. I've tried it. MIxzing is the only music player for Android that organizes the same way iTunes does, but it doesn't sync.

haemaker: Personally, I think Google should have taken a page from Microsoft's playbook and ignored iOS. Niche market at this point.

If by "ignored" you mean "are porting Office to it" I guess that makes sense. Otherwise not so much.

Corvus: Waze is better anyway. Who the fark cares.

Tried waze yesterday, 2 hours later it had eaten half my battery (according to my battery usage chart).

How about no?

With all due...the whole Apple Maps situation has been completely blown out of proportion...if your using it as a GPS your a retard, especially abroad...

OH win, it can eat my battery AND my data allowance...

moel: With all due...the whole Apple Maps situation has been completely blown out of proportion...if your using it as a GPS your a retard, especially abroad...

OH win, it can eat my battery AND my data allowance...

Yeah right, why should it work as advertised? That would be stupid.

My point is this...i would consider myself a typical iPhone user...I would consider my friends, typical iPhone users too....

Out of all of us, we maybe use 'Maps' (either in it's current or previous form) for something other than looking at the roof of someones house...3 times a year?

OriginalGamer: Apple removes YouTube and Google Maps from iOS6. Both get released as stand alone apps improved over their former stock selves. Other than the 3 months of using Apple Maps (or just using Maps.Google.com) I'm not seeing the downside.

There was a simpler solution: I didn't update to iO6 until the Google Map app was available.

Subby, the lack of turn by turn navigation, public transit directions and street view is why Apple dropped the Maps app from iOS6. Google's app for Android did things they refused to put in the iOS maps. Now all maps apps are on an equal footing and Google needs to compete for the data they used to mine for free.

There is no downside here for anyone.

dready zim: Corvus: Waze is better anyway. Who the fark cares.

Tried waze yesterday, 2 hours later it had eaten half my battery (according to my battery usage chart).

How about no?

Why wouldn't you use a car charger if you're using it for that long?

As much as I love Waze, it doesn't do public transportation, which is the real reason I was pissed about Apple Maps (to the point of declaring my next phone would not be an iPhone)

Dwight_Yeast: There was a simpler solution: I didn't update to iO6 until the Google Map app was available.

I still haven't. Probably won't until someone figures out an untethered jailbreak for it.

Having to update to that trainwreck of an itunes update is also a black mark against it. The decision to get rid of coverflow was absolutely brain-dead.

moel: My point is this...i would consider myself a typical iPhone user...I would consider my friends, typical iPhone users too....

Out of all of us, we maybe use 'Maps' (either in it's current or previous form) for something other than looking at the roof of someones house...3 times a year?

Well i use maps mostly as just that: a map. Then i figure out how to get to where i want to go myself. But there are people too stupid to realise (and read the warning) that traffic signs and rules are still to be followed. If those people buy an iphone, which is advertised as being perfect, and use it for routing, things get dangerous. Since stupid people will never die out it should be easier to fix some piece of software and it should be fixed faster. The only way to prevent this kind of outrage until routing is perfect would be an at least 3-step verification (code, accept something on screen, audible notification).

Mr.Tangent: How nice of them to offer a choice. Choices...what will those wizards of Cupertino come up with next.

We will see. After they secure the parent on making choices of course.

doenis: moel: My point is this...i would consider myself a typical iPhone user...I would consider my friends, typical iPhone users too....

Out of all of us, we maybe use 'Maps' (either in it's current or previous form) for something other than looking at the roof of someones house...3 times a year?

Well i use maps mostly as just that: a map. Then i figure out how to get to where i want to go myself. But there are people too stupid to realise (and read the warning) that traffic signs and rules are still to be followed. If those people buy an iphone, which is advertised as being perfect, and use it for routing, things get dangerous. Since stupid people will never die out it should be easier to fix some piece of software and it should be fixed faster. The only way to prevent this kind of outrage until routing is perfect would be an at least 3-step verification (code, accept something on screen, audible notification).

Are you not aware of the developers law that states 'if you try and make something idiotproof, all that happens is they develop better idiots

Has everyone really had that many problems with the new iOS6 maps, or am I just the only person on the planet that HASN'T had a problem with it?

I love the new iOS6 maps. It has yet send me wrong, but then again I only use it to plug in addresses, not to search for things. I've also found that its 3-4 times faster than the old map app and routing info is displayed in a much more intuitive manner. You also get voice directions and 3rd person views when following a route now, just like a real GPS.

It feels weird to be the only person on the planet that doesn't hate the new apple maps.

Elegy: Has everyone really had that many problems with the new iOS6 maps, or am I just the only person on the planet that HASN'T had a problem with it?

I love the new iOS6 maps. It has yet send me wrong, but then again I only use it to plug in addresses, not to search for things. I've also found that its 3-4 times faster than the old map app and routing info is displayed in a much more intuitive manner. You also get voice directions and 3rd person views when following a route now, just like a real GPS.

It feels weird to be the only person on the planet that doesn't hate the new apple maps.

I just moved to an unfamiliar part of my state and I didnt hate apple maps up until last week when I was trying to find my way around. The navigation took me all around a back country road and extra 5 miles when the place I wanted was a highway away, it often showed me not on the road I was on, got confused, and just generally performed very poorly. I ended up busting out waze to get where I wanted to go.

moel: With all due...the whole Apple Maps situation has been completely blown out of proportion...if your using it as a GPS your a retard, especially abroad...

OH win, it can eat my battery AND my data allowance...

The lack of public transit data has been a major pain in the ass.

Elegy: Has everyone really had that many problems with the new iOS6 maps, or am I just the only person on the planet that HASN'T had a problem with it?

I love the new iOS6 maps. It has yet send me wrong, but then again I only use it to plug in addresses, not to search for things. I've also found that its 3-4 times faster than the old map app and routing info is displayed in a much more intuitive manner. You also get voice directions and 3rd person views when following a route now, just like a real GPS.

It feels weird to be the only person on the planet that doesn't hate the new apple maps.

Don't worry....i'm with you! (although i'm still on ios5, but using it on my friends iPhone 5...i was blown away)

Thornhill, buy a bike/scooter/car cheap ass ;)