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2012-12-13 04:13:18 AM
does that mean those SUV monstrosities driven by 1 person will fade away.
 
2012-12-13 04:16:10 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Happy Hours: We're not European?

I mean except for the Injuns. They're "native", but I'm pretty sure me and most of you other farkers are totally European.

What about the Asians and the Africans?


Can't speak for the Asians, but in general, African-Americans owe about one-third of their DNA to Europeans.

/If only it was 40%, so I could make some horribly offensive comment about three-fifths.
 
2012-12-13 04:16:53 AM
What does "superior culture" mean? In other words, superior to whom? It's obvious that cultures where women are put in burqas and gays are stoned to death are inferior, but the question doesn't specify that.
 
2012-12-13 04:18:37 AM
Are headlines becoming more like ridiculous rhetorical questions?
 
2012-12-13 04:21:11 AM
There are certainly aspects of American 'culture' sneaking into our day to day life here in Ireland. When I was a kid, at Halloween, we used to say 'penny for the puca' and say a rhyme, now a lot of kids just say 'trick or treat', this is especially sad as it's a Celtic/Irish festival. Also, a lot of teenagers have started talking with that horrible Californian inflection? As for people saying 'movies' instead of 'films', don't get me started...

And last but not least, there are a lot more obese people.
 
2012-12-13 04:23:24 AM

Cormee: There are certainly aspects of American 'culture' sneaking into our day to day life here in Ireland. When I was a kid, at Halloween, we used to say 'penny for the puca' and say a rhyme, now a lot of kids just say 'trick or treat', this is especially sad as it's a Celtic/Irish festival. Also, a lot of teenagers have started talking with that horrible Californian inflection? As for people saying 'movies' instead of 'films', don't get me started...

And last but not least, there are a lot more obese people.


Wait, you mean, like, people? In Ireland? Are starting to talk like this? And do they say Theeeeeenking instead of proper irish "tinking"?

whatever brah.
 
2012-12-13 04:24:13 AM
Weird, I read the headline the wrong way around
 
2012-12-13 04:25:32 AM

Father_Jack: Cormee: There are certainly aspects of American 'culture' sneaking into our day to day life here in Ireland. When I was a kid, at Halloween, we used to say 'penny for the puca' and say a rhyme, now a lot of kids just say 'trick or treat', this is especially sad as it's a Celtic/Irish festival. Also, a lot of teenagers have started talking with that horrible Californian inflection? As for people saying 'movies' instead of 'films', don't get me started...

And last but not least, there are a lot more obese people.

Wait, you mean, like, people? In Ireland? Are starting to talk like this? And do they say Theeeeeenking instead of proper irish "tinking"?

whatever brah.


Dats rite!
 
2012-12-13 04:26:36 AM

Cormee: ... As for people saying 'movies' instead of 'films', don't get me started...


I actually would like to hear you out on this, because I don't understand the complaint. I use them interchangeably, unless the work is educational, in which case it's exclusively "film".
 
2012-12-13 04:26:53 AM

Father_Jack: Cormee: There are certainly aspects of American 'culture' sneaking into our day to day life here in Ireland. When I was a kid, at Halloween, we used to say 'penny for the puca' and say a rhyme, now a lot of kids just say 'trick or treat', this is especially sad as it's a Celtic/Irish festival. Also, a lot of teenagers have started talking with that horrible Californian inflection? As for people saying 'movies' instead of 'films', don't get me started...

And last but not least, there are a lot more obese people.

Wait, you mean, like, people? In Ireland? Are starting to talk like this? And do they say Theeeeeenking instead of proper irish "tinking"?

whatever brah.


It goes both ways. The younger generation in the US uses a lot of outdated British-English colloquialisms because of pop cultural cross pollination.
 
2012-12-13 04:28:02 AM

Cormee: There are certainly aspects of American 'culture' sneaking into our day to day life here in Ireland. When I was a kid, at Halloween, we used to say 'penny for the puca' and say a rhyme, now a lot of kids just say 'trick or treat', this is especially sad as it's a Celtic/Irish festival.


The irish bring halloween to the us. we add our own spin to it, then ship it back to ireland.

Don't like it? Don't starve out half your population next time.
 
2012-12-13 04:33:31 AM

Cormee: And last but not least, there are a lot more obese people.


Looks like you guys solved the old Irish dilemma. You found a way to both eat the potato and ferment it and drink it later.
 
2012-12-13 04:33:36 AM

Cormee: Father_Jack: Cormee: There are certainly aspects of American 'culture' sneaking into our day to day life here in Ireland. When I was a kid, at Halloween, we used to say 'penny for the puca' and say a rhyme, now a lot of kids just say 'trick or treat', this is especially sad as it's a Celtic/Irish festival. Also, a lot of teenagers have started talking with that horrible Californian inflection? As for people saying 'movies' instead of 'films', don't get me started...

And last but not least, there are a lot more obese people.

Wait, you mean, like, people? In Ireland? Are starting to talk like this? And do they say Theeeeeenking instead of proper irish "tinking"?

whatever brah.

Dats rite!


youre missing some h's.

i love that about Irish English.

As overheard in a bar in Dublin, between a Dub an American "heritage tourist" who proclaimed his irishness in an appalling e. coast American accent:

"Whaht's dhaht shiate comin ouht yer gob hey. whot, yer grans from cork and you spend tree days drunk in temple bar ahn suddenly yer a feckin expert on ireland?" (takes sip of pint) "gobshiate yankee muppet. "

good times.
 
2012-12-13 04:34:16 AM

log_jammin: Cormee: There are certainly aspects of American 'culture' sneaking into our day to day life here in Ireland. When I was a kid, at Halloween, we used to say 'penny for the puca' and say a rhyme, now a lot of kids just say 'trick or treat', this is especially sad as it's a Celtic/Irish festival.

The irish bring halloween to the us. we add our own spin to it, then ship it back to ireland.

Don't like it? Don't starve out half your population next time.


facepalm.jpg
 
2012-12-13 04:38:35 AM

Father_Jack: As overheard in a bar in Dublin, between a Dub an American "heritage tourist" who proclaimed his irishness in an appalling e. coast American accent:

"Whaht's dhaht shiate comin ouht yer gob hey. whot, yer grans from cork and you spend tree days drunk in temple bar ahn suddenly yer a feckin expert on ireland?" (takes sip of pint) "gobshiate yankee muppet. "

good times.


I took an archaeology class where we were told that "the Irish" in America have a say in archaeological Ireland. Because they are Diasporic due to the famine. I thought it was the dumbest thing ever.
 
2012-12-13 04:40:17 AM

Father_Jack: facepalm.jpg


my comment was made in total seriousness, cause Halloween is very very important.
 
2012-12-13 04:45:33 AM
Only the liberals.
 
2012-12-13 04:48:35 AM

Triumph: Americans used to despise monarchs, but I'm anticipating a Bush v. Clinton election in 2016


Even when you did, you still elected John Adams' son.
 
2012-12-13 04:49:18 AM

pedobearapproved: I took an archaeology class where we were told that "the Irish" in America have a say in archaeological Ireland.


Is that good Scots Irish, or Shanty Irish?
 
2012-12-13 05:04:14 AM

brap: Does this mean I can stop pretending I'm Canadian when I'm overseas?


Yes!!!! Start practising now.
 
2012-12-13 05:07:40 AM

pedobearapproved: Father_Jack: As overheard in a bar in Dublin, between a Dub an American "heritage tourist" who proclaimed his irishness in an appalling e. coast American accent:

"Whaht's dhaht shiate comin ouht yer gob hey. whot, yer grans from cork and you spend tree days drunk in temple bar ahn suddenly yer a feckin expert on ireland?" (takes sip of pint) "gobshiate yankee muppet. "

good times.

I took an archaeology class where we were told that "the Irish" in America have a say in archaeological Ireland. Because they are Diasporic due to the famine. I thought it was the dumbest thing ever.


Dotn get me started about yanks who think theyre „german" or „irish" or „french" because their surname traces back to that culture generations ago and some stupid cultural stereotype applies.

"oh I have redhair and an o'(something) in my family tree, IM IRISH!"
"oh my last name is Jaeger and I have blonde hair, I'm GERMAN!"
"oh im hot blooded and lose my temper because im a sicilian!"

SO. STUPID.

I've lived 6 years or so of my life abroad mostly in Germany and Switzerland. And I gotta tell you NOTHING makes you more aware of how much you are a product of your own culture and will never be completely part of one youre not raised in like living in a foreign one. Ive become more in tune with my California-ness over the past several years than I ever did in California where I was surrounded by people who were just like me.

These freakin' pricks who have a bratwurst at a tourist trap in munich and learn to say "noch ein Bier bitte" and think they got in touch with their Opa's heritage, or like that guy I saw in Ireland... man these people are dumber than dumb. Its painful.

(goes the other way too of course... a german woman I recently was cornered by at a party told me in way too much detail about how she got lip from an African American woman on a bus and confided in me how she now totally understands the complexities of American race relations)
 
2012-12-13 05:11:05 AM

LordZorch: Let's hope not. At the very least we can continue to bathe more often.


To be fair, you guys have to bathe more. Nobody likes the fat guy smell.
 
2012-12-13 05:11:36 AM
I wish
 
2012-12-13 05:18:09 AM

Omis: LordZorch: Let's hope not. At the very least we can continue to bathe more often.

To be fair, you guys have to bathe more. Nobody likes the fat guy smell.


ohsnap.gif
 
2012-12-13 05:22:35 AM

Father_Jack: pedobearapproved: Father_Jack: As overheard in a bar in Dublin, between a Dub an American "heritage tourist" who proclaimed his irishness in an appalling e. coast American accent:

"Whaht's dhaht shiate comin ouht yer gob hey. whot, yer grans from cork and you spend tree days drunk in temple bar ahn suddenly yer a feckin expert on ireland?" (takes sip of pint) "gobshiate yankee muppet. "

good times.

I took an archaeology class where we were told that "the Irish" in America have a say in archaeological Ireland. Because they are Diasporic due to the famine. I thought it was the dumbest thing ever.

Dotn get me started about yanks who think theyre „german" or „irish" or „french" because their surname traces back to that culture generations ago and some stupid cultural stereotype applies.

"oh I have redhair and an o'(something) in my family tree, IM IRISH!"
"oh my last name is Jaeger and I have blonde hair, I'm GERMAN!"
"oh im hot blooded and lose my temper because im a sicilian!"

SO. STUPID.

I've lived 6 years or so of my life abroad mostly in Germany and Switzerland. And I gotta tell you NOTHING makes you more aware of how much you are a product of your own culture and will never be completely part of one youre not raised in like living in a foreign one. Ive become more in tune with my California-ness over the past several years than I ever did in California where I was surrounded by people who were just like me.

These freakin' pricks who have a bratwurst at a tourist trap in munich and learn to say "noch ein Bier bitte" and think they got in touch with their Opa's heritage, or like that guy I saw in Ireland... man these people are dumber than dumb. Its painful.

(goes the other way too of course... a german woman I recently was cornered by at a party told me in way too much detail about how she got lip from an African American woman on a bus and confided in me how she now totally understands the complexities of American race relations)


What's weird is that I was always ashamed to be a Southerner until I went out west. I couldn't believe people did not know where Tennessee was. (Is it next to Texas?) They thought I was from England because of my Southern accent. Wow!

Also, I learned to love the USA when I lived in Asia. I was surprised that I got homesick. I was married to a Korean so I had minimal contact with Americans. When I came back to the USA the first thing I noticed was how fat everyone was.
 
2012-12-13 05:24:30 AM
With the population density increasing and natural resources dwindling, it's inevitable.
 
2012-12-13 05:29:35 AM

ninotchka: What's weird is that I was always ashamed to be a Southerner until I went out west. I couldn't believe people did not know where Tennessee was. (Is it next to Texas?) They thought I was from England because of my Southern accent. Wow!

Also, I learned to love the USA when I lived in Asia. I was surprised that I got homesick. I was married to a Korean so I had minimal contact with Americans. When I came back to the USA the first thing I noticed was how fat everyone was.



US obesity would proabbyl be even more jarring coming from asia than it would be freom W. Europe. I personally think some western european countries are nearly as fat as the US is... lots of fat brits and germans now.

the thing i notice now when going back is how outdated and backwards the infrastructure seems, and how ugly most american cities are. Patchy potholed roads, powerlines everywhere...

youd think with storm after storm and power outages to millsion year after year the US could not buy a few bombers once and invest in burying the utility lines in the metropolitan areas above a certain population density.

but lets not forget, govt investing in its own country is "socialism" but investing in foreign country's infrastructure is "spreading democracy"

 
2012-12-13 05:35:34 AM

brap: Does this mean I can stop pretending I'm Canadian when I'm overseas?


Heh...reminds me of when I was in Salzberg, sitting in a little restaurant having a beer (they rented rooms upstairs) and these Canadians were talking to some locals about how loud and obnoxious Americans are. They just kept complaining, very loudly...on and on and on... They were quite oblivious to how loud and obnoxious they were being.
 
2012-12-13 05:45:06 AM

0Icky0: Triumph: Americans used to despise monarchs, but I'm anticipating a Bush v. Clinton election in 2016

Even when you did, you still elected John Adams' son.


Well, to be fair we do enjoy our beer, so anyone with a good brewery is a fair candidate regardless of pedigree.
 
2012-12-13 05:49:00 AM

steerforth: For all its troubles, the U.S. remains the only country that Europeans, Asians, Africans, Latin Americans and Australians want to move to in great numbers.


Australians want to "move to the US in great numbers"? Quite happy with our Australian exceptionalism, thank you very much.


This.

The only Australian I've ever known who wanted to move to the US was my Dad. After spending a couple of years living in DC and Georgia as a kid due his decision, I wonder what the fark he was thinking.

So does he for that matter. He returned to Australia after he retired, and now has a lower standard of living in retirement than his brother who never left their small rural hometown in Queensland.

/not planning on setting foot on US soil ever again
 
2012-12-13 05:52:32 AM
Trapper439: steerforth: For all its troubles, the U.S. remains the only country that Europeans, Asians, Africans, Latin Americans and Australians want to move to in great numbers.


Australians want to "move to the US in great numbers"? Quite happy with our Australian exceptionalism, thank you very much.

This.

The only Australian I've ever known who wanted to move to the US was my Dad. After spending a couple of years living in DC and Georgia as a kid due his decision, I wonder what the fark he was thinking.

So does he for that matter. He returned to Australia after he retired, and now has a lower standard of living in retirement than his brother who never left their small rural hometown in Queensland.

/not planning on setting foot on US soil ever again


you forgot about the governator.
 
2012-12-13 05:53:38 AM

Father_Jack: and how ugly most american cities are.


most cities are ugly no matter where they are located.
 
2012-12-13 05:58:22 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: you forgot about the governator.


The Governator isn't Australian. He's Tasmanian.
 
2012-12-13 06:05:04 AM

Lionel Mandrake: brap: Does this mean I can stop pretending I'm Canadian when I'm overseas?

Heh...reminds me of when I was in Salzberg, sitting in a little restaurant having a beer (they rented rooms upstairs) and these Canadians were talking to some locals about how loud and obnoxious Americans are. They just kept complaining, very loudly...on and on and on... They were quite oblivious to how loud and obnoxious they were being.


I had a similar experience on a train to Berlin. A Canadian girl was going on and on, quite loudly about how "Canada was the best, America sucks" every other sentence out of her mouth was about Canada. You get obnoxious people from every country. It just tends to be easier to pick out the obnoxious ones who speak a language you know.

Also, if you are in Europe and someone tells you they are Canadian, and you suspect they are American, just ask them for the capital of Canada. 95% of Americans don't know it is Vancouver and will say something stupid like "Toronto"
 
2012-12-13 06:15:07 AM
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
 
2012-12-13 06:22:26 AM

Father_Jack: Cormee: There are certainly aspects of American 'culture' sneaking into our day to day life here in Ireland. When I was a kid, at Halloween, we used to say 'penny for the puca' and say a rhyme, now a lot of kids just say 'trick or treat', this is especially sad as it's a Celtic/Irish festival. Also, a lot of teenagers have started talking with that horrible Californian inflection? As for people saying 'movies' instead of 'films', don't get me started...

And last but not least, there are a lot more obese people.

Wait, you mean, like, people? In Ireland? Are starting to talk like this? And do they say Theeeeeenking instead of proper irish "tinking"?

whatever brah.


whatever 'bragh'
/pet peeve
 
2012-12-13 06:24:28 AM

Trapper439: steerforth: For all its troubles, the U.S. remains the only country that Europeans, Asians, Africans, Latin Americans and Australians want to move to in great numbers.


Australians want to "move to the US in great numbers"? Quite happy with our Australian exceptionalism, thank you very much.

This.

The only Australian I've ever known who wanted to move to the US was my Dad. After spending a couple of years living in DC and Georgia as a kid due his decision, I wonder what the fark he was thinking.

So does he for that matter. He returned to Australia after he retired, and now has a lower standard of living in retirement than his brother who never left their small rural hometown in Queensland.

/not planning on setting foot on US soil ever again


I have you farkied as "complete dickwad" so I wasn't sure you had picked up the sarcasm in my post, but the mention of a person being better off spending their whole life in a small town in
Queensland tells me you are either getting the joke or you're currently having an intense but ultimately unrewarding affair with Campbell Newman.
 
2012-12-13 06:27:27 AM

randomjsa: namatad: Two women, one black.

We're not like liberals. We typically just disagree with people politically and don't launch in to sexism or racism at the drop a hat.

If you want to see sexism, be a woman that disagrees with a liberal.

If you want to see racism, be a minority that disagrees with a liberal.

If you want to see homophobia, be a homosexual that disagrees with a liberal.


Can I borrow your brush? I want to paint my fence in about 3 strokes.
 
2012-12-13 06:28:04 AM
By 'more european' do they mean 'more intelligent'?
 
2012-12-13 06:32:41 AM

steerforth: I have you farkied as "complete dickwad".


Maybe you never revisited that thread, but I apologised for that. I'll freely admit that I was out of line when I responded to you on that one occasion.

I'd had a really, really farking bad day and was pissed off at the world.

If you missed it, I hereby apologise again.
 
2012-12-13 06:37:17 AM

Trapper439: steerforth: I have you farkied as "complete dickwad".

Maybe you never revisited that thread, but I apologised for that. I'll freely admit that I was out of line when I responded to you on that one occasion.

I'd had a really, really farking bad day and was pissed off at the world.

If you missed it, I hereby apologise again.


Fark, mate. I will herewith amend my farkie while you have a beer. Sweet?
 
2012-12-13 06:41:03 AM

steerforth: Fark, mate. I will herewith amend my farkie while you have a beer. Sweet?


Totally.

Have a good one.
 
2012-12-13 06:42:16 AM

moel: By 'more european' do they mean 'more intelligent'?


Snort, no.
 
2012-12-13 06:44:46 AM

Teknowaffle: Also, if you are in Europe and someone tells you they are Canadian, and you suspect they are American, just ask them for the capital of Canada. 95% of Americans don't know it is Vancouver and will say something stupid like "Toronto"


Just to be on the safe side, I believe you should never try to claim that you're Canadian either.
 
2012-12-13 06:45:56 AM
Are Americans becoming more European?

Not yet. But maybe once Obama gets off his ass and repeals the 2nd Amendment, like we mandated when we voted him into office for a second term.
 
2012-12-13 06:46:02 AM

log_jammin: Father_Jack: and how ugly most american cities are.

most cities are ugly no matter where they are located.


go see european city centers which survived ww2 and i think youll change your opinion
 
2012-12-13 06:46:37 AM
So, we rate ourselves on how much we're NOT LIKE other cultures?

"Hey look how well that idea is working over there, we should do that!"

"No, no, that would make us more like them."
 
2012-12-13 06:47:07 AM

steerforth: Trapper439: steerforth: I have you farkied as "complete dickwad".

Maybe you never revisited that thread, but I apologised for that. I'll freely admit that I was out of line when I responded to you on that one occasion.

I'd had a really, really farking bad day and was pissed off at the world.

If you missed it, I hereby apologise again.

Fark, mate. I will herewith amend my farkie while you have a beer. Sweet?


you guys get your BROMANCE ON!
 
2012-12-13 06:47:33 AM
FTA: "...fewer Americans believe that our culture is superior to others..."

So, fewer Americans are arrogant douchenozzles, is basically what we're saying here?

mlkshk.com
 
2012-12-13 06:47:48 AM
Oh no! More people in America are ceasing to be arrogant douchebags towards the rest of the world! Let the great tribulation begin.

/snore
 
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