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2012-12-12 10:48:28 PM  
He didn't really troll her. She trolled herself.
 
2012-12-12 10:49:57 PM  
Wow, this is awesome.

So, Ayn Rand was as annoying in online chats as her followers were later?

Wonder how the Randroids will spin this.
 
2012-12-12 10:52:31 PM  
Wow.. what an uptight person.
'
This deserves a green. +1
 
2012-12-12 10:55:05 PM  
So, ARPANET was like Twitter?
 
2012-12-12 10:56:02 PM  
This actually happened

Sure didn't. And Steve Biko - a poor, South African anti-apartheid activist - didn't participate in one of the other ones posted on the site.

This is an art project.
 
2012-12-12 10:57:01 PM  
Yeah ... totally sounds legit.
 
2012-12-12 11:19:51 PM  

kronicfeld: This actually happened

Sure didn't. And Steve Biko - a poor, South African anti-apartheid activist - didn't participate in one of the other ones posted on the site.

This is an art project.


And not a very well-written one. I don't know about the philosophies of Nolan or Henson, but the lines from Rand and Ono were not believable at all.
 
2012-12-12 11:44:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: This actually happened

Sure didn't. And Steve Biko - a poor, South African anti-apartheid activist - didn't participate in one of the other ones posted on the site.

This is an art project.

And not a very well-written one. I don't know about the philosophies of Nolan or Henson, but the lines from Rand and Ono were not believable at all.


In 1976 there were less than 80 public nodes on ARPANET and absolutely nothing that could be considered a "chat" protocol unless you counted serial handshakes.

farking kids these days are too lazy and stupid to even look up information for their own projects. What a waste of time.
 
2012-12-12 11:45:12 PM  
I am dumbstruck that the developers of ARPANET were so prescient in their realization that Ayn Rand was going to be the turd in the Internet punchbowl, that they went ahead and tested it.
 
2012-12-12 11:45:59 PM  

Triumph: I am dumbstruck that the developers of ARPANET were so prescient in their realization that Ayn Rand was going to be the turd in the Internet punchbowl, that they went ahead and tested it.

 
2012-12-12 11:51:57 PM  

kronicfeld: This is an art project.


I got Rick-rolled, then. It did seem too good to be true.
 
2012-12-13 12:05:15 AM  
This thread would have been a lot funnier if you people could have resisted the urge to point out it wasn't real before it even hit the main board. Even if it is in the Geek tab wasteland.
 
2012-12-13 12:07:06 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This thread would have been a lot funnier if you people could have resisted the urge to point out it wasn't real before it even hit the main board. Even if it is in the Geek tab wasteland.


Sorry. In my defense, I think it was still in black-font limbo when I posted.
 
2012-12-13 12:20:07 AM  
Please tell me that is fiction.  That was completely shameful.
 
What an upleasant git.
 
2012-12-13 12:21:40 AM  
i253.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-13 12:37:30 AM  
Ayn Rand, Jim Henson and Yoko Ono walk into a bar.

The bartender says, "What is this? Some kind of joke?"
 
2012-12-13 12:39:31 AM  
Jim Henson was too intelligent to use "do you have children?" as an argument.

And Yoko Ono is too stupid to communicate intelligibly.

IT"S A FAAAAAKKKKKEEEEE!!!
 
2012-12-13 12:40:34 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This thread would have been a lot funnier if you people could have resisted the urge to point out it wasn't real before it even hit the main board. Even if it is in the Geek tab wasteland.


If the "artist" in question had given half the amount of effort of any one of your normal posts, maybe we would have. As it exists, it's just lazy.
 
2012-12-13 12:42:07 AM  
It's like, they'll just greenlight anything around here.

/I thought it was kinda amusing.
 
2012-12-13 12:44:01 AM  

Lsherm:

If the "artist" in question had given half the amount of effort of any one of your normal posts, maybe we would have. As it exists, it's just lazy.


You remind me of the character Oscar the grouch. I'm laughing out loud at this.
 
2012-12-13 12:45:38 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: This actually happened

Sure didn't. And Steve Biko - a poor, South African anti-apartheid activist - didn't participate in one of the other ones posted on the site.

This is an art project.

And not a very well-written one. I don't know about the philosophies of Nolan or Henson, but the lines from Rand and Ono were not believable at all.


for an art project, a+.
plausible.
 
2012-12-13 12:46:40 AM  

Flogster: Lsherm:

If the "artist" in question had given half the amount of effort of any one of your normal posts, maybe we would have. As it exists, it's just lazy.

You remind me of the character Oscar the grouch. I'm laughing out loud at this.


Thanks, I think.

It was meant to be a compliment to Pocket Ninja.
 
2012-12-13 12:51:34 AM  
Wait, Muppets aren't real?
 
*starts sobbing uncontrollably*
 
2012-12-13 12:55:28 AM  
Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.
 
2012-12-13 01:01:13 AM  
She must have been fun at parties.
 
2012-12-13 01:01:28 AM  
Real or not, Sidney Nolan was virtually unintelligible, and Ayn Rand was as twunty as ever.
 
2012-12-13 01:02:48 AM  

Lsherm: In 1976 there were less than 80 public nodes on ARPANET and absolutely nothing that could be considered a "chat" protocol unless you counted serial handshakes.


This reference says otherwise, although I can't comment on its accuracy. Unix and other multi-user systems have also had versions of the 'talk' command for a long time, and even if they weren't directly network-enabled they would work for a user logged in over telnet.
 
2012-12-13 01:06:33 AM  
Fake or not, I've been in far too many real conversations just like that on the internet.

/Seen a few 'shops in my day
//Get off my.... pixels?
 
2012-12-13 01:09:28 AM  
comparing nietzsche to rand is an insult to nietzsche. Rand is out of her depth in a kiddie pool, Nietzsche was a sarcastic critic of the status quo and blind obedience to tradition (thought himself fell victim to it sometimes - ex gender roles).
 
2012-12-13 01:12:35 AM  
Her followers behave just like her. How interesting.
 
2012-12-13 01:12:53 AM  
Yeah this totally happened, I read it on the internet.
 
2012-12-13 01:21:00 AM  
Someone's gotta make this into a one-act play.
 
2012-12-13 01:25:14 AM  
My god, if this doesn't convince every Randian idiot that she's a total worthless biatch and her philosophies are nasty, stupid shiat, then nothing will. Right from the start she's an anti-social moron, just trying to splatter her doom and gloom feces all over anybody else who dares to have a pleasant thought.

It comes through in her insane philosophies, too. Be an asshole wherever and whenever you can, and the world will be a better place! Makes total sense.
 
2012-12-13 01:26:37 AM  
I hope fake chat logs featuring Ayn Rand and assorted characters becomes a thing like those Hitler videos.

/Would like to see a Rand, Meow Said The Dog and Rugby Jock chat.
 
2012-12-13 01:33:42 AM  
Because Ayn Rand (whose philosophies suck, I'm not defending those) sounds like one of her characters in EVERY conversation she's ever had. Sure. That's totally true.
 
2012-12-13 01:33:50 AM  
Wait, scratch that. The conversation didn't really go anywhere and ended too abruptly.

Still, I like the concept.
 
2012-12-13 01:37:31 AM  

taurusowner: Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.


Actually, if you watch her old interviews and talk shows (I remember the big hour long one on Donahue) she talks and acts EXACTLY like that.

She hated dissent, was known to start a fit whenever someone disagreed with the self-evident superiority of her logic, and would not want to stick around in a discussion of that format.
 
2012-12-13 01:43:13 AM  
The dialogue seems too "expected". Too natural of a flow for a dialogue between different folks on a medium they weren't familiar with.

Rand doesn't seem to want to explain her philosophy in as much as just define it.

I want to believe it's real but I dont think it is.
 
2012-12-13 01:45:39 AM  

Ishkur: taurusowner: Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.

Actually, if you watch her old interviews and talk shows (I remember the big hour long one on Donahue) she talks and acts EXACTLY like that.

She hated dissent, was known to start a fit whenever someone disagreed with the self-evident superiority of her logic, and would not want to stick around in a discussion of that format.


But the ideas here are just caricatures of her actual ideas. It's like reading what a Farker thinks Rand believed instead of what she actually believed. You can see a lot of that in this very thread. There's no requirement that one must agree with Rand, but the sheer lack of understanding of what she actually thought is staggering. Caricature is the best description I can think of.
 
2012-12-13 01:45:43 AM  
Better fake chat room story.

Pocket Ninja: This thread would have been a lot funnier if you people could have resisted the urge to point out it wasn't real before it even hit the main board.


We pointed it out before it was green, didn't expect it to go. No idea why the ever-mysterious modmins went with it.
 
2012-12-13 01:48:02 AM  

vossiewulf: Better fake chat room story.

Pocket Ninja: This thread would have been a lot funnier if you people could have resisted the urge to point out it wasn't real before it even hit the main board.

We pointed it out before it was green, didn't expect it to go. No idea why the ever-mysterious modmins went with it.


Probably to spark an argument, which is as always, an admirable goal. The obvious forced and silly fakeness aside, it's garnering a respectable amount of frothy mouthed Rand hate, which was probably the intent of the greenlight.
 
2012-12-13 01:51:57 AM  
eminemBNJA: Oh I like that Baby. I put on my robe and wizard hat.
BritneySpears14: What the f*ck, I told you not to message me again.
eminemBNJA: Oh ****
BritneySpears14: I swear if you do it one more time I'm gonna report your ISP and say you were sending me kiddie porn you f*ck up.
 
2012-12-13 01:53:43 AM  

taurusowner: Ishkur: taurusowner: Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.

Actually, if you watch her old interviews and talk shows (I remember the big hour long one on Donahue) she talks and acts EXACTLY like that.

She hated dissent, was known to start a fit whenever someone disagreed with the self-evident superiority of her logic, and would not want to stick around in a discussion of that format.

But the ideas here are just caricatures of her actual ideas. It's like reading what a Farker thinks Rand believed instead of what she actually believed. You can see a lot of that in this very thread. There's no requirement that one must agree with Rand, but the sheer lack of understanding of what she actually thought is staggering. Caricature is the best description I can think of.


I think Colbert demonstrates fairly well that caricature doesn't always mean inaccurate nor inapplicable.
 
2012-12-13 02:02:45 AM  
How that would go down today:

USER AYN RAND: I am not isolated. I have no contempt for others. Millions of people read my books and find my thoughts inspirational. I hardly spend my time on the sidelines in a trash can grumping.

USER JIM HENSON: Not yet anyway.

USER AYN RAND HAS LOGGED OFF
 
2012-12-13 02:07:10 AM  
God, no wonder republicans worship her. What a literally evil and soulless coont.
 
2012-12-13 02:17:17 AM  

imgod2u: taurusowner: Ishkur: taurusowner: Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.

Actually, if you watch her old interviews and talk shows (I remember the big hour long one on Donahue) she talks and acts EXACTLY like that.

She hated dissent, was known to start a fit whenever someone disagreed with the self-evident superiority of her logic, and would not want to stick around in a discussion of that format.

But the ideas here are just caricatures of her actual ideas. It's like reading what a Farker thinks Rand believed instead of what she actually believed. You can see a lot of that in this very thread. There's no requirement that one must agree with Rand, but the sheer lack of understanding of what she actually thought is staggering. Caricature is the best description I can think of.

I think Colbert demonstrates fairly well that caricature doesn't always mean inaccurate nor inapplicable.


That's just not true. A caricature of ideas is simply a strawman by another name. It's presenting an inflated ridiculous image of what your opponent believes, not what they actually believe, and then attacking that. This "chat room" is a perfect example. This thread is ridiculing Rand not for anything she actually believed or said, but for the inflated, simplistic and skewed image of what someone thinks she might have believed.

Whether you agree with her or not, agreeing with presenting any ideas like that is a slap in the face to logical thought anywhere. it doesn't become "ok" to do that simply because it's being done to someone you don't like.
 
2012-12-13 02:17:38 AM  
WHAT IS WRONG WITH ASSHOLE AND FORMATTING???

FFS stop centering text. We dont read middle out. We read english left to right ...
AND FFS, black background and bright text?

sigh

I REALLY HATE these people
 
2012-12-13 02:18:27 AM  
Had it been real, it would have been interesting. Not being real, it is next to useless.
 
2012-12-13 02:31:50 AM  

swahnhennessy: Had it been real, it would have been interesting. Not being real, it is next to useless.


wait what
are you saying that that is not from something which really happened, but jsut plain fiction??
 
2012-12-13 02:32:22 AM  

taurusowner: But the ideas here are just caricatures of her actual ideas


No, not really. She was an Aspergers extraordinaire, she had no compulsion for socializing or small talk and if you let her, she would launch into a long-winded speech just as frequently as her characters. And she would consider it a grievous insult if you dared to interrupt her so you had to let her finish.

She was a very bitter person and even her closest friends could not stand to be around her for very long. She was only tolerable in small doses.
 
2012-12-13 02:47:41 AM  

Ishkur: taurusowner: But the ideas here are just caricatures of her actual ideas

No, not really. She was an Aspergers extraordinaire, she had no compulsion for socializing or small talk and if you let her, she would launch into a long-winded speech just as frequently as her characters. And she would consider it a grievous insult if you dared to interrupt her so you had to let her finish.

She was a very bitter person and even her closest friends could not stand to be around her for very long. She was only tolerable in small doses.


just like her long winded annoying books .... LOL
funny to find that she was the same in real life as her terrible long winded
YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN books

seriously biatch, we GOT IT, we GOT IT in the first paragraph.
Did you really think you need 600 more pages of that speech???
LOL
 
2012-12-13 02:57:56 AM  
Sometimes I forget that Yoko is actually smart, and not just empathetic. Her "test" comment was spot-on, but it wasn't the technicians who were administering the test. And it wasn't Nolan, either.
 
2012-12-13 02:58:05 AM  

taurusowner: imgod2u: taurusowner: Ishkur: taurusowner: Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.

Actually, if you watch her old interviews and talk shows (I remember the big hour long one on Donahue) she talks and acts EXACTLY like that.

She hated dissent, was known to start a fit whenever someone disagreed with the self-evident superiority of her logic, and would not want to stick around in a discussion of that format.

But the ideas here are just caricatures of her actual ideas. It's like reading what a Farker thinks Rand believed instead of what she actually believed. You can see a lot of that in this very thread. There's no requirement that one must agree with Rand, but the sheer lack of understanding of what she actually thought is staggering. Caricature is the best description I can think of.

I think Colbert demonstrates fairly well that caricature doesn't always mean inaccurate nor inapplicable.

That's just not true. A caricature of ideas is simply a strawman by another name. It's presenting an inflated ridiculous image of what your opponent believes, not what they actually believe, and then attacking that. This "chat room" is a perfect example. This thread is ridiculing Rand not for anything she actually believed or said, but for the inflated, simplistic and skewed image of what someone thinks she might have believed.

Whether you agree with her or not, agreeing with presenting any ideas like that is a slap in the face to logical thought anywhere. it doesn't become "ok" to do that simply because it's being done to someone you don't like.


You just argued that argument from absurdity is not sound. I disagree.
 
2012-12-13 02:59:24 AM  
This actually happened

I bet subby thinks The Onion is real news too.
 
2012-12-13 03:01:39 AM  

brap: Please tell me that is fiction.  That was completely shameful.
 
What an upleasant git.


Looks like it. And I fell for it. Alas.
 
2012-12-13 03:01:55 AM  

namatad: WHAT IS WRONG WITH ASSHOLE AND FORMATTING???

FFS stop centering text. We dont read middle out. We read english left to right ...
AND FFS, black background and bright text?

sigh

I REALLY HATE these people


It's from 1975. That's how things looked back then.
 
2012-12-13 03:04:43 AM  

imgod2u: You just argued that argument from absurdity is not sound. I disagree.

reductio ad absurdum

is an acceptable debate technique.

In a sense isn't that what Colbert does, by boiling down Conservative/Republican philosophy and taking points to their logical conclusions?
 
2012-12-13 03:06:48 AM  
t.qkme.me
 
2012-12-13 03:13:28 AM  
Nice to see the people who love rand are true to her personality...
 
2012-12-13 03:15:50 AM  
Even as a fake, I laughed.
 
2012-12-13 03:28:42 AM  
I often wonder why, as much as she was criticized, Rand didn't feel unappreciated enough to Go Galt.
 
2012-12-13 03:35:56 AM  

ox45tallboy: I often wonder why, as much as she was criticized, Rand didn't feel unappreciated enough to Go Galt.


It's hard to Go Galt when you spend half your life on the dole and living with family, while considering yourself too achievement oriented to take lesser, bill paying work.

You know, our broken evil society didn't recognize the value in an atlas achiever like her so even though by all moral rights she should have been Romney Sized Rich, she could hardly cobble up the cash for a bus ticket most of her life.
 
2012-12-13 03:36:40 AM  
Goddammit. I was surprised how stereotypical the responses seemed to be.

They're real to me, dammit!
 
2012-12-13 03:42:51 AM  
Well, it was damn entertaining for a staged event.
 
2012-12-13 03:57:13 AM  
YOKO ONO
My favourite is Big Bird. He is so tall and gentle.

AYN RAND
To be honest I find it to be senseless entertainment. I prefer the celebration of men and what they can achieve.


ragecollection.com
 
2012-12-13 04:57:34 AM  
JIM HENSON
Thank you its kind of you to say so. Im also a fan of yours and John Lennons music.
SIDNEY NOLAN
Who is your favourite puppet from the line of characters you have created Jim.
YOKO ONO
Thank you. John loves your programmes too.
JIM HENSON
Each character is special for me they represent different aspects of myself. Kermit the frog is perhaps closest to me. An altar ego of sorts.
AYN RAND
What does that say about you.
JIM HENSON
I dont know. I don't think too much about it.
YOKO ONO
My favourite is Big Bird. He is so tall and gentle.
AYN RAND
To be honest I find it to be senseless entertainment. I prefer the celebration of men and what they can achieve.

Ayn Rand wanted a world without Mupppets. No wonder the gop wants to abolish PBS so bad.
 
2012-12-13 05:05:11 AM  
AYN RAND
What other goal would there be other than personal happiness. The happiness of others makes one a slave.

YOKO ONO
What if your own happiness makes others unhappy.

And an oogie feeling washes over me as my respect for Yoko Ono gains +1000 points.

Or, should I handicap because just about anything that has a brain was more intelligent than Ayn Rand?
 
2012-12-13 05:33:10 AM  
Did he put on his robe and wizard's hat for her?
 
2012-12-13 05:50:59 AM  
Ayn Rand sounds like a bitter coont
 
2012-12-13 06:23:13 AM  

Silverstaff: Wow, this is awesome.

So, Ayn Rand was as annoying in online chats as her followers were later?

Wonder how the Randroids will spin this.


When the leader of your philosophical movement sounds stupid by comparison to Yoko Ono - it's time to reassess.
 
2012-12-13 06:30:32 AM  

taurusowner: imgod2u: taurusowner: Ishkur: taurusowner: Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.

Actually, if you watch her old interviews and talk shows (I remember the big hour long one on Donahue) she talks and acts EXACTLY like that.

She hated dissent, was known to start a fit whenever someone disagreed with the self-evident superiority of her logic, and would not want to stick around in a discussion of that format.

But the ideas here are just caricatures of her actual ideas. It's like reading what a Farker thinks Rand believed instead of what she actually believed. You can see a lot of that in this very thread. There's no requirement that one must agree with Rand, but the sheer lack of understanding of what she actually thought is staggering. Caricature is the best description I can think of.

I think Colbert demonstrates fairly well that caricature doesn't always mean inaccurate nor inapplicable.

That's just not true. A caricature of ideas is simply a strawman by another name. It's presenting an inflated ridiculous image of what your opponent believes, not what they actually believe, and then attacking that. This "chat room" is a perfect example. This thread is ridiculing Rand not for anything she actually believed or said, but for the inflated, simplistic and skewed image of what someone thinks she might have believed.

Whether you agree with her or not, agreeing with presenting any ideas like that is a slap in the face to logical thought anywhere. it doesn't become "ok" to do that simply because it's being done to someone you don't like.


I think it is fairly absurd to believe that Rand "thought" anything on any consistent or coherent basis. She was a psychotic, and her garbled collection of insane "thoughts" reflects little but that.
 
2012-12-13 07:00:01 AM  

Kazan: comparing nietzsche to rand is an insult to nietzsche. Rand is out of her depth in a kiddie pool, Nietzsche was a sarcastic critic of the status quo and blind obedience to tradition (thought himself fell victim to it sometimes - ex gender roles).


This.

At least Nietzsche's idea of a superman was an artist. Rand's idea of one was an arsehole.
 
2012-12-13 07:09:26 AM  

Lsherm: Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: This actually happened

Sure didn't. And Steve Biko - a poor, South African anti-apartheid activist - didn't participate in one of the other ones posted on the site.

This is an art project.

And not a very well-written one. I don't know about the philosophies of Nolan or Henson, but the lines from Rand and Ono were not believable at all.

In 1976 there were less than 80 public nodes on ARPANET and absolutely nothing that could be considered a "chat" protocol unless you counted serial handshakes.

farking kids these days are too lazy and stupid to even look up information for their own projects. What a waste of time.


I started reading, and didn't get very far until this:

YOKO ONO
I would love to appear on one of your television programs Mr Henson.


Then my Carl Sagan patented Baloney Detector started ringing. Transcript says it was from April 1976. The Muppet Show debuted in September 1976.

Instantly made me think it was bullshiat.
 
2012-12-13 07:13:44 AM  

namatad: AND FFS, black background and bright text?


Even though the chat was fact, a black background and light colored text gives you a "feel" for what using a terminal back then was like, when you had your choice of white on black, green on black, or amber on black.
 
2012-12-13 07:14:21 AM  

dittybopper: Even though the chat was fact fake,


FTFM. Don't know why I typed that.
 
2012-12-13 07:17:11 AM  
Christ, I'm glad that woman is dead. What an insufferable pain in the ass. I bet sex was strictly missionary, if at all. Sex probably interfered with her pursuit of personal happiness.
 
2012-12-13 07:17:51 AM  

TV's Vinnie: YOKO ONO
What if your own happiness makes others unhappy.

And an oogie feeling washes over me as my respect for Yoko Ono gains +1000 points.


Others like Paul, George, and Ringo?
 
2012-12-13 07:22:04 AM  

DubyaHater: Christ, I'm glad that woman is dead. What an insufferable pain in the ass. I bet sex was strictly missionary, if at all. Sex probably interfered with her pursuit of personal happiness.


You know this is fake, right?
 
2012-12-13 07:23:25 AM  
Fark wants to believe.....
 
2012-12-13 07:37:52 AM  

DubyaHater: Christ, I'm glad that woman is dead. What an insufferable pain in the ass. I bet sex was strictly missionary, if at all. Sex probably interfered with her pursuit of personal happiness.


I think she preferred to be raped, if I understand her writing correctly.
 
2012-12-13 07:41:50 AM  
Come on, people. Jim Henson wasn't even born until 1983. Rand died in 1928. Yoko Ono was a gnu in the Duluth Municipal Zoo.

Ignorance, ignorance everywhere.
 
2012-12-13 07:45:36 AM  

imgod2u: taurusowner: imgod2u: taurusowner: Ishkur: taurusowner: Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.

Actually, if you watch her old interviews and talk shows (I remember the big hour long one on Donahue) she talks and acts EXACTLY like that.

She hated dissent, was known to start a fit whenever someone disagreed with the self-evident superiority of her logic, and would not want to stick around in a discussion of that format.

But the ideas here are just caricatures of her actual ideas. It's like reading what a Farker thinks Rand believed instead of what she actually believed. You can see a lot of that in this very thread. There's no requirement that one must agree with Rand, but the sheer lack of understanding of what she actually thought is staggering. Caricature is the best description I can think of.

I think Colbert demonstrates fairly well that caricature doesn't always mean inaccurate nor inapplicable.

That's just not true. A caricature of ideas is simply a strawman by another name. It's presenting an inflated ridiculous image of what your opponent believes, not what they actually believe, and then attacking that. This "chat room" is a perfect example. This thread is ridiculing Rand not for anything she actually believed or said, but for the inflated, simplistic and skewed image of what someone thinks she might have believed.

Whether you agree with her or not, agreeing with presenting any ideas like that is a slap in the face to logical thought anywhere. it doesn't become "ok" to do that simply because it's being done to someone you don't like.

You just argued that argument from absurdity is not sound. I disagree.


A caricature isn't reducto ad absurd. He didn't argue that it wasn't sound. A caricature often doesn't seem that way to the opponents of the target.
 
2012-12-13 07:47:39 AM  

dittybopper: Then my Carl Sagan patented Baloney Detector started ringing. Transcript says it was from April 1976. The Muppet Show debuted in September 1976.


Sesame Street debuted in 1969. Kermit, Oscar and Big Bird were household names by 1976.
 
2012-12-13 07:50:40 AM  

dittybopper: DubyaHater: Christ, I'm glad that woman is dead. What an insufferable pain in the ass. I bet sex was strictly missionary, if at all. Sex probably interfered with her pursuit of personal happiness.

You know this is fake, right?


I understand its fake. Unfortunately, it's still an accurate representation of her beliefs regarding her purpose in life.
 
2012-12-13 07:55:18 AM  
From the site:

Disclaimer

The parties responsible for presenting the textual information on this website, and in other formats that appear as part of this project, disclose that their intention is to create the thoughts and emotions of the various characters presented through The Arpanet Dialogues in an effort to stimulate debate about the current state of world affairs from the perspective of hindsight.


It ain't real. Amusing, but not real.
 
2012-12-13 07:59:45 AM  
Huh. It appears that the powers that be have changed the tag to Satire and removed "This actually happened" from the headline.
 
2012-12-13 08:00:05 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: So, ARPANET was like Twitter?


New to the internet huh? They were chatting on an interface like IRC(internet relay chat).
 
2012-12-13 08:04:47 AM  

namatad: WHAT IS WRONG WITH ASSHOLE AND FORMATTING???

FFS stop centering text. We dont read middle out. We read english left to right ...
AND FFS, black background and bright text?

sigh

I REALLY HATE these people


Interesting. I agree with you about the centered text, but I greatly prefer white on ball background. It's much easier on the eyes and less like staring at a lightbulb.
 
2012-12-13 08:07:17 AM  

Elegy: namatad: WHAT IS WRONG WITH ASSHOLE AND FORMATTING???

FFS stop centering text. We dont read middle out. We read english left to right ...
AND FFS, black background and bright text?

sigh

I REALLY HATE these people

Interesting. I agree with you about the centered text, but I greatly prefer white on ball background. It's much easier on the eyes and less like staring at a lightbulb.


*black

/farking autocorrect
 
2012-12-13 09:00:30 AM  
Fake though it may be, this is exactly how I imagine Ayn Rand's trolling to look like. Were she a Farker, she'd be our most successful troll of all time.
 
2012-12-13 09:03:49 AM  
Fake or not, I always found Rand to be antiphilosophy instead of philosophy, because her ideas are the notions that toddlers already have. Philosophy is the art of thinking thoughts bigger than ourselves, so Ayn Rand is a step backwards toward the savage we all are instead of a step forward into the infinite potential of what we might become.
 
2012-12-13 09:07:06 AM  
She would be somewhere between animal/color troll and randomjsa. Presuming they aren't just alts of each other.

So in other words, stupid, universally reviled, and about as morally grounded as Sauron.

Aka typical Fark Independanttm
 
2012-12-13 09:07:12 AM  

Ishkur: dittybopper: Then my Carl Sagan patented Baloney Detector started ringing. Transcript says it was from April 1976. The Muppet Show debuted in September 1976.

Sesame Street debuted in 1969. Kermit, Oscar and Big Bird were household names by 1976.


From the transcript:
YOKO ONO
I would love to appear on one of your television programs Mr Henson.


Sesame Street wasn't his program, and wasn't known for having guests as often as The Muppet Show, which did feature famous guests every episode.

I'm not saying it's completely out of the realm of possibility, of course, but it was enough to make my Baloney Detector start ringing, and of course, in the final analysis I was right, it is fake.
 
2012-12-13 09:09:43 AM  

dickfreckle: Fake though it may be, this is exactly how I imagine Ayn Rand's trolling to look like.


So it's a pious fraud?
 
2012-12-13 09:12:07 AM  

dittybopper: I'm not saying it's completely out of the realm of possibility, of course, but it was enough to make my Baloney Detector start ringing, and of course, in the final analysis I was right, it is fake.


We all agree its fake, but people expressing admiration for Jim Henson's work in 1976 isn't that unusual.... especially if it's a fellow entertainer like Yoko Ono. By then he was already an established puppeteer with a nearly 20 year career spanning television, commercials, advertisements, radio shows and plays and other things. But it was Sesame Street that easily put him on the map.
 
2012-12-13 09:34:20 AM  

Ishkur: dittybopper: I'm not saying it's completely out of the realm of possibility, of course, but it was enough to make my Baloney Detector start ringing, and of course, in the final analysis I was right, it is fake.

We all agree its fake, but people expressing admiration for Jim Henson's work in 1976 isn't that unusual.... especially if it's a fellow entertainer like Yoko Ono. By then he was already an established puppeteer with a nearly 20 year career spanning television, commercials, advertisements, radio shows and plays and other things. But it was Sesame Street that easily put him on the map.


Yeah, but other than a couple of specials that didn't attract much notice, he didn't have a show of his own. It's not that she's expressing admiration, it's that the syntax she used implied that he had ownership or control. It's the sort of thing that makes you go "Huh, that just doesn't *FEEL* right, I better look a little closer".
 
2012-12-13 09:45:52 AM  

Makh: It's like, they'll just greenlight anything around here.

/I thought it was kinda amusing.


Seeng an article like this greenlit is a clue that I'm about to have a really productive day at work, since I won't be hanging around Fark all day.
 
2012-12-13 09:48:13 AM  
I prefer to believe that these were 4 early chat bot prototypes talking to each other.
 
2012-12-13 09:54:27 AM  

DubyaHater: Christ, I'm glad that woman is dead. What an insufferable pain in the ass. I bet sex was strictly missionary, if at all. Sex probably interfered with her pursuit of personal happiness.


I have a feeling sex with her it would have been "I got mine..You get yours" sorta thing...

//Fake or not..i enjoyed it...
 
2012-12-13 10:00:38 AM  

sxacho: I prefer to believe that these were 4 early chat bot prototypes talking to each other.


Heh. The Rand character actually feels like that. An interesting Turing test.
 
2012-12-13 10:04:40 AM  
It's almost like Ayn Rand was a thoroughly unpleasant person, and the world is better off with her dead.

Too bad she left those execrable books behind.
 
2012-12-13 10:12:28 AM  
AYN RAND
To be honest I find it to be senseless entertainment. I prefer the celebration of men and what they can achieve.

JIM HENSON
Do you have children Ms Rand.

AYN RAND
What do children have to do with what I prefer.

JIM HENSON
I find that being a parent being close to children has broadened my perspective allowed me to empathize and understand more than I ever did before. I hope that empathy comes through in my senseless entertainment.

...

AYN RAND
What is the point of this conversation.

SIDNEY NOLAN
What is the point of life we might as well go all the way.

AYN RAND
The point of life is to achieve personal happiness.

JIM HENSON
How do you do that Ms Rand.

SIDNEY NOLAN
Happiness can be your personal dictator if you make him your goal in life.

AYN RAND
What other goal would there be other than personal happiness. The happiness of others makes one a slave.

YOKO ONO
What if your own happiness makes others unhappy.

AYN RAND
Your happiness does not preclude that you are not making other people happy. Actually quite the opposite. If everyone works on their success and achievements this will bring the maximum amount of happiness to everyone.

SIDNEY NOLAN
History Ms. Rand dictates many things. We are always inside it and it is always inside us. We cannot escape it in most of our acts of will thoughts and concepts. Struggling with it is a purpose in itself. Happiness or not.

JIM HENSON
If that is a what makes a slave then that is what I am.

AYN RAND
Then your show does not make you happy.

...

JIM HENSON
Ms. Ono you are too idealistic I think.

AYN RAND
I agree.

SIDNEY NOLAN
I think Ms. Rand is even more idealistic at heart.

JIM HENSON
And sad.

...

JIM HENSON
I think Ms. Rand and my character Oscar the Grouch would have a lot to talk about actually. I am laughing out loud at this idea.

AYN RAND
Why would I want to talk to him. What has he achieved or trying to achieve.

JIM HENSON
He has achieved what I think is the ultimate goal of your way of thinking.

JIM HENSON
Isolation. Contempt for others. A hard heart. Yet even he can muster a bit of empathy every now and then.

AYN RAND
I am not isolated. I have no contempt for others. Millions of people read my books and find my thoughts inspirational. I hardly spend my time on the sidelines in a trash can grumping.

JIM HENSON
Not yet anyway.

AYN RAND
How empathetic of you Jim.


I didn't think I could love Jim Henson any more...and then this comes along.
 
2012-12-13 10:14:10 AM  

Virtuoso80: She must have been fun at parties.


Parties are collectives.
 
2012-12-13 10:18:30 AM  
Just for second, I thought his was real and it made my day. Now that I know it's not real, I don't care.

/day still made
 
2012-12-13 10:27:47 AM  

taurusowner: Eh. Anyone who's actually familiar with Rand can see through a lot of that pretty easily. It clearly reads like it's been written by someone who's just been told what Rand believed, not heard or read her words himself.


Yeah, it would unbroken paragraphs of impenetrable nonsense, like her books.
 
2012-12-13 10:32:37 AM  
Like Ayn Rand would deign to use a statist tool of regulation like ARPANET. Next thing you'll be telling me is that she was on the dole in the last years of her life. . .
 
2012-12-13 10:46:55 AM  
Gentlemen, Gentlemen.

Let's stop arguing about whether or not this conversation is fake and about mid 1970s network architecture. There is something we can all agree on:

Ayn Rand was a colossal coont.
 
2012-12-13 11:02:45 AM  

Stile4aly: Gentlemen, Gentlemen.

Let's stop arguing about whether or not this conversation is fake and about mid 1970s network architecture. There is something we can all agree on:

Ayn Rand was a colossal coont.


Those 4 pages arent enough for a tl;dr and I would love to read the whole thing but i cant stand that rethorical bullshiat. Some of them sounds like a direct copy-paste from Bioshock
 
2012-12-13 11:06:09 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This thread would have been a lot funnier if you people could have resisted the urge to point out it wasn't real before it even hit the main board. Even if it is in the Geek tab wasteland.


Something seemed up when Ayn Rand's lines came across exactly how a parody of Ayn Rand might sound. Same with the line from the painter about celebration. Plus chat rooms in 1976?
 
2012-12-13 11:18:02 AM  
I've never heard of Sidney Nolan until today -- I wonder if he's as big of a blowhard as he seems here. He seems to be almost as bombastic as Rand.
 
2012-12-13 11:18:23 AM  
YOKO ONO
My favourite is Big Bird. He is so tall and gentle. I want to be naked and hug him.

AYN RAND
To be honest I find him to be shallow and pedantic. I prefer the celebration of men and what they can achieve, like plastic cutlery. Also, my name is a typewriter; your argument is invalid.

JIM HENSON
Show us your tits.

SIDNEY NOLAN
I agree.
 
2012-12-13 11:20:48 AM  
If you guys are interested in seeing how the objectivist community will spin this, or simply in trolling a couple objectivists, why not check out this objectivist forum and make you're comment heard:

http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?showtopic=24446
 
2012-12-13 11:27:41 AM  
In 1947 dwight eisenhower, mohandas ghandi, joseph stalin, and george orwell each were sitting at a morse code broadcast station...
 
2012-12-13 11:28:03 AM  

vossiewulf: Better fake chat room story.

Pocket Ninja: This thread would have been a lot funnier if you people could have resisted the urge to point out it wasn't real before it even hit the main board.

We pointed it out before it was green, didn't expect it to go. No idea why the ever-mysterious modmins went with it.


Because the mods knew it would generate clicks just because rand was in the headline. Usually the only thing that generates 100+ posts in the geek tab is an Idevice thread.
 
2012-12-13 11:34:17 AM  
Ayn Rand was such a laughable parody of herself. Her worldview was so childish and simple-minded that she comes off sounding like a random quote generator.
 
2012-12-13 11:36:40 AM  

evilmousse: In 1947 dwight eisenhower, mohandas ghandi, joseph stalin, and george orwell each were sitting at a morse code broadcast station...


*FAP*FAP*FAP*

... Go on.

I spent all day yesterday sitting at my straight key, chatting with people in Arizona, Belarus, The Netherlands, Germany, South Africa, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Texas, and a couple others I can't remember off the top of my head.

/Loves me the Morse.
//Used to do it professionally.
 
2012-12-13 11:55:02 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: vossiewulf: Better fake chat room story.

Pocket Ninja: This thread would have been a lot funnier if you people could have resisted the urge to point out it wasn't real before it even hit the main board.

We pointed it out before it was green, didn't expect it to go. No idea why the ever-mysterious modmins went with it.

Because the mods knew it would generate clicks just because rand was in the headline. Usually the only thing that generates 100+ posts in the geek tab is an Idevice thread.


If only we could find a way to combine iProducts and Ayn Rand into one headline, it would be a virtually guaranteed green!
 
2012-12-13 12:01:07 PM  
There's a bot-like quality to the conversation. I wonder if this is/was an AI project. I certainly remember doing stuff like that back in the seventies.
 
2012-12-13 12:05:03 PM  
"arpanet chatroom" lol

that's a hilarious phrase in itself....


so what you need is an iYn Rand... an ugly little device that is always wrong and smells like a rotting opossum that will never ever shut up when you ask it a question.
 
2012-12-13 12:05:28 PM  
If Rand saw the Muppet Show, Waldorf would ask her, "Jesus, lady, what is your problem?"
 
2012-12-13 12:45:07 PM  
Has anyone tried to read "Das Kapitol"? Worst piece of crap I ever read and I only read 25 pages worth of herp a derp. Ok ok we get it 10 bolts of cloth is worth about the same for a coat. Also do you really need to write 3,000 pages?
 
2012-12-13 12:52:02 PM  
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-13 01:06:59 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-13 01:30:41 PM  

Doctor Jellyfinger: [i.imgur.com image 396x396]


I don't feel rebellious for hating on Ayn Rand. I feel pretty good about my disdain, actually. I fact, I'm pretty happy that most people consider her a horrible, hypocritical, probably autisticly devoid of emotion, smelly, bad, bad person.

In fact, usually it's the Rand fans that think they are rebellious. We get it, you're a mid 20s male unappreciated in your profession, even if you excel at it. We get it, on the off chance you do have a human emotion, you quash it into nothing because its irrelevant to ambition and avarice.

There is a reason that Rand fan stereotype is so pervasive, it's because the age of the fans never goes up. Emotionally stunted mid 20year olds grow up, put away the self centered bullshiat and learn to engage in life and humanity. Or they don't and they end up farking Dominican boys between radio shows.

I wish I could poop on Ayn Rand's corpse. Now THAT is an atlas like galtchievement.
 
2012-12-13 01:41:36 PM  
Bad authors are ignored. Troubling authors are reviled. Just the fact that people take time to shiat on Ayn Rand after all these years is proof that the issues she talked about are still relevant and controversial. You feed what you hate.
 
2012-12-13 01:45:06 PM  
Funny....when I started reading it, I could tell something was up. The introductions were too....fake - used a modern rhythm. Too convenient. And then the people became to much characterless of themselves. And Yoko didn't have the command of the English language to that level by '76.

/I can tell by the pixels, etc
 
2012-12-13 01:48:21 PM  
Oh, and:

files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2012-12-13 02:17:07 PM  
Fictional Yoko Ono was right. Talking about objectivism makes normal people ask themselves: "I am surprised to be in such a conversation. It feels like a deliberate test." Because it often is.
 
2012-12-13 02:30:33 PM  

Mrbogey: A caricature isn't reducto ad absurd. He didn't argue that it wasn't sound. A caricature often doesn't seem that way to the opponents of the target.


He called it a caricature but his description of what Colbert does -- and more importantly what Colbert actually does -- is by definition argument from absurdity.

It is a fine line, but watch closely. Nothing Colbert says is really out of line with what pundits routinely says.

That is to say, Colbert passes Poe's Law.
 
2012-12-13 02:45:36 PM  

neongoats: Doctor Jellyfinger: [i.imgur.com image 396x396]

I don't feel rebellious for hating on Ayn Rand. I feel pretty good about my disdain, actually. I fact, I'm pretty happy that most people consider her a horrible, hypocritical, probably autisticly devoid of emotion, smelly, bad, bad person.

In fact, usually it's the Rand fans that think they are rebellious. We get it, you're a mid 20s male unappreciated in your profession, even if you excel at it. We get it, on the off chance you do have a human emotion, you quash it into nothing because its irrelevant to ambition and avarice.

There is a reason that Rand fan stereotype is so pervasive, it's because the age of the fans never goes up. Emotionally stunted mid 20year olds grow up, put away the self centered bullshiat and learn to engage in life and humanity. Or they don't and they end up farking Dominican boys between radio shows.

I wish I could poop on Ayn Rand's corpse. Now THAT is an atlas like galtchievement.


And people like you get all butt hurt every time we bad mouth Karl Marx.

Marx and Rand both live in a fantasy world believing that their ideal will work in real life.
 
2012-12-13 02:55:33 PM  

kronicfeld: This is an art project.


ITYM "awful fanfic".
 
2012-12-13 03:34:05 PM  
My happiness is to thwart every Randian's individualistic goals. I knew a Rand nut once who asked me for a ride into town. I said "I'm sure you'll be happier getting there on your own".
I knew another guy who told me the word "we" should be removed from the dictionary. I told him he should get started on that right away and the rest of us will watch.
 
2012-12-13 05:35:21 PM  

dittybopper: evilmousse: In 1947 dwight eisenhower, mohandas ghandi, joseph stalin, and george orwell each were sitting at a morse code broadcast station...

*FAP*FAP*FAP*

... Go on.

I spent all day yesterday sitting at my straight key, chatting with people in Arizona, Belarus, The Netherlands, Germany, South Africa, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Texas, and a couple others I can't remember off the top of my head.

/Loves me the Morse.
//Used to do it professionally.


I bet it's a fun little community, arpanet likely was too.

How's that work, phone lines? What do you connect to?
 
2012-12-13 06:31:23 PM  

imgod2u: He called it a caricature but his description of what Colbert does -- and more importantly what Colbert actually does -- is by definition argument from absurdity.

It is a fine line, but watch closely. Nothing Colbert says is really out of line with what pundits routinely says.

That is to say, Colbert passes Poe's Law.



No it's not.

Reducto ad absurd= "If two consenting adults should be allowed to get married, then why not incest? If it's about love? Why not polyamory? If what goes on in the bedroom is off limits, then why ban any sexual practice?
Caricature= "Give a Penny/Take a Penny? That's socialism!

You're seeing your view of caricature as absurdity because you want to believe that's what conservatives say. When you've stripped out the logic behind the argument and substituted your own to make an absurdity, then you're caricaturing. You see how easily the people who loathe Ayn Rand believe it's her but those not hostile to Objectivism have disbelief right away? That should tell you how your Poe-ometer is miscalibrated.
 
2012-12-13 07:03:49 PM  

Mrbogey: imgod2u: He called it a caricature but his description of what Colbert does -- and more importantly what Colbert actually does -- is by definition argument from absurdity.

It is a fine line, but watch closely. Nothing Colbert says is really out of line with what pundits routinely says.

That is to say, Colbert passes Poe's Law.


No it's not.

Reducto ad absurd= "If two consenting adults should be allowed to get married, then why not incest? If it's about love? Why not polyamory? If what goes on in the bedroom is off limits, then why ban any sexual practice?
Caricature= "Give a Penny/Take a Penny? That's socialism!


Erm, your examples don't show the original argument being made. Obviously if, in your mind, no pundit has ever uttered a similar -- though less extreme -- statement, then of course it's caricature. Of course, that's not the case. Pundits across networks -- as demonstrated through footages constantly on the show right before Colbert -- consistently make mountains out of molehills by claiming various seemingly innocuous things as "socialism taking over America!".

Yes, you've phrased your former example correctly whereas the later is simply the absurd conclusion of already established lines of reasoning.

You're seeing your view of caricature as absurdity because you want to believe that's what conservatives say.

No, I'm seeing it as absurd because it commonly mirrors -- almost exactly -- what has been said by pundits that Colbert is there to parody. Like I said, it passes Poe's Law.

When you've stripped out the logic behind the argument and substituted your own to make an absurdity, then you're caricaturing.

Except of course, it wasn't substituted logic. It was replacing x therefore y with a therefore b, with the line of reasoning being almost identical -- often times in both reasoning and wording -- as those that have been uttered before.

You see how easily the people who loathe Ayn Rand believe it's her but those not hostile to Objectivism have disbelief right away? That should tell you how your Poe-ometer is miscalibrated.

I like the loading of the category descriptions there. One group (the one you disagree with) is of course, people emotionally involved -- they "loathe Ayn Rand". But of course, those who noticed -- whether right away or through careful scrutiny/research, we don't know, but you seem comfortable with assuming the former -- is of course simple "not hostile to Objectivism". They sound so even-tempered and level-headed, they must be the ones with correctly calibrated Poe-meters!

And here you've demonstrated the problem with most of Ayn Rand's philosophy -- there's leagues worth of assumptions of self-described objectivism. None of which actually exist under careful scrutiny. The "self-evident" card is played as if it were always enough in and of itself and any opposition must be emotionally motivated!
 
2012-12-13 08:55:09 PM  

Freschel: neongoats: Doctor Jellyfinger: [i.imgur.com image 396x396]

I don't feel rebellious for hating on Ayn Rand. I feel pretty good about my disdain, actually. I fact, I'm pretty happy that most people consider her a horrible, hypocritical, probably autisticly devoid of emotion, smelly, bad, bad person.

In fact, usually it's the Rand fans that think they are rebellious. We get it, you're a mid 20s male unappreciated in your profession, even if you excel at it. We get it, on the off chance you do have a human emotion, you quash it into nothing because its irrelevant to ambition and avarice.

There is a reason that Rand fan stereotype is so pervasive, it's because the age of the fans never goes up. Emotionally stunted mid 20year olds grow up, put away the self centered bullshiat and learn to engage in life and humanity. Or they don't and they end up farking Dominican boys between radio shows.

I wish I could poop on Ayn Rand's corpse. Now THAT is an atlas like galtchievement.

And people like you get all butt hurt every time we bad mouth Karl Marx.

Marx and Rand both live in a fantasy world believing that their ideal will work in real life.


Well, you manage to think about as critically as the typical Randroid. I don't give a shiat about Karl Marx. But I do enjoy pointing out the real life facts about the objectivist savior. It's cute that the champion of achievement and ant-like worship of near lifetime pseudo slavery, where your value to humanity is based solely on you GDP didn't actually believe in her own philosophy enough to get a job to pay the bills.

Telling other people that they should be hard working serfs who worship industrialism was exhausting I guess.
 
2012-12-14 02:44:05 PM  

neongoats: Freschel: neongoats: Doctor Jellyfinger: [i.imgur.com image 396x396]

I don't feel rebellious for hating on Ayn Rand. I feel pretty good about my disdain, actually. I fact, I'm pretty happy that most people consider her a horrible, hypocritical, probably autisticly devoid of emotion, smelly, bad, bad person.

In fact, usually it's the Rand fans that think they are rebellious. We get it, you're a mid 20s male unappreciated in your profession, even if you excel at it. We get it, on the off chance you do have a human emotion, you quash it into nothing because its irrelevant to ambition and avarice.

There is a reason that Rand fan stereotype is so pervasive, it's because the age of the fans never goes up. Emotionally stunted mid 20year olds grow up, put away the self centered bullshiat and learn to engage in life and humanity. Or they don't and they end up farking Dominican boys between radio shows.

I wish I could poop on Ayn Rand's corpse. Now THAT is an atlas like galtchievement.

And people like you get all butt hurt every time we bad mouth Karl Marx.

Marx and Rand both live in a fantasy world believing that their ideal will work in real life.

Well, you manage to think about as critically as the typical Randroid. I don't give a shiat about Karl Marx. But I do enjoy pointing out the real life facts about the objectivist savior. It's cute that the champion of achievement and ant-like worship of near lifetime pseudo slavery, where your value to humanity is based solely on you GDP didn't actually believe in her own philosophy enough to get a job to pay the bills.

Telling other people that they should be hard working serfs who worship industrialism was exhausting I guess.


Ahem let me repeat this line that you obviously blanked out.

Marx and Rand both live in a fantasy world believing that their ideal will work in real life.

How is that make me a mindless Randroid?
 
2012-12-14 04:20:19 PM  

Freschel: How is that make me a mindless Randroid?


I don't know about being a Randroid, but the fact that you think if a person doesn't like Ayn Rand they must like Karl Marx shows a failure in your reasoning.
 
2012-12-15 03:43:52 AM  

Russad: Freschel: How is that make me a mindless Randroid?

I don't know about being a Randroid, but the fact that you think if a person doesn't like Ayn Rand they must like Karl Marx shows a failure in your reasoning.


And just because I hate Marx doesn't make me a Randroid.
 
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