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(Tri-City Herald)   HOA: signs larger than 2' by 2' are not allowed. Homeowner: it's not a sign, it's a 6 foot long flat Christmas decoration with printing on it   (tri-cityherald.com) divider line 149
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2012-12-13 03:15:09 AM  
I cannot stand HOAs, but this guy is a douche. He agreed to abide by the rules and regulations of the HOA, but apparently he feels that he should only do so when he wants to. Sorry, Dickhead, but suck it up and abide by the rules. If you object to the size limitations on signs then fight to have that rule abolished or changed, or sell your house and move elsewhere.
 
2012-12-13 03:16:25 AM  
So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....
 
2012-12-13 03:19:21 AM  

Ed Finnerty: And the meek shall inherit the Earth.


"Oh, I'm glad they're getting something, they have a hell of a time."
 
2012-12-13 03:21:24 AM  
PS Jesus is NOT the reason for the season. That would be axial tilt.
 
2012-12-13 03:25:46 AM  
Here's what everyone else in the neighborhood should do, if they hate both this guy and the HOA: put up equally large signs that say "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG". Refuse to take the signs down until either this guy takes his Jesus sign down or the HOA caves on the sign size requirement. If the HOA caves, just put up 2x2 signs saying "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG" (which meets the HOA code). That guy can choose to live with his 'Jesus Is The Reason for the Season' sign surrounded by 'HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG' signs, or he can take it down. Or he won't, and the HOA won't comply, or whatever, in which case, it will be a farking interesting neighborhood with interesting signs. I'm not offering a solution so much as I am inciting violence.
 
2012-12-13 03:29:48 AM  

spqr_ca: Why is it that the flamboyant displays of modern religion are always gaudy and hideous? Is there any religious person with a sense of taste anymore?


www.dalailama.com
"Ahem......."
 
2012-12-13 03:41:12 AM  

Lsherm: I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.


This.
 
2012-12-13 03:46:18 AM  
Finally some action on the war on christmas front!
 
2012-12-13 03:57:09 AM  
There's an easy way to get around this.

Make several 2 foot by 2 foot signs.

Print a portion of the big sign on each one.

Attach the signs to a wall in the right order so the HOA compliant signs display the same message the original sign did.

When asshat HOA drone comes by to biatch about it, point out to him/her/it the ever so slight gap between them and tell him/her/it this makes them seperate signs.
 
2012-12-13 04:56:28 AM  
If you're that devoted to displaying your message, just spell it out with some generic x-mas lights and beat the system.
 
Xai
2012-12-13 05:03:52 AM  
Wow, never thought i'd be siding with a HOA.
 
2012-12-13 05:33:58 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU

After that you can admire your signature on the deed including the clause in which you agreed to abide by the HOA's rules.


HOA trumps 1st amendment?

who are these weird people who want to live in these places?
 
2012-12-13 05:37:57 AM  
You want to get under the skin of a HOA? Gophers released onto their lawn or slugs released into flower beds. Let nature fight dirty for you.
 
2012-12-13 05:40:09 AM  

PaLarkin: There's an easy way to get around this.

Make several 2 foot by 2 foot signs.

Print a portion of the big sign on each one.

Attach the signs to a wall in the right order so the HOA compliant signs display the same message the original sign did.

When asshat HOA drone comes by to biatch about it, point out to him/her/it the ever so slight gap between them and tell him/her/it this makes them seperate signs.


I would bet money that there is a limit on the number of signs that can be displayed.
 
2012-12-13 05:44:34 AM  
Was the hero tag afraid the of the HOA's rules?
 
2012-12-13 06:02:01 AM  
Should have just made an array of 2x2 signs. "These aren't signs or Christmas decorations. They're pixels."
 
2012-12-13 06:05:31 AM  
Homeowner goes out of his way to be a douchebag. HOA goes out if its way to be a bag o' douches in response.

This sounds like a win/win to me.
 
2012-12-13 06:07:06 AM  
horsegoeswest.com
 
2012-12-13 06:25:54 AM  

Omahawg: Gordon Bennett: Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU

After that you can admire your signature on the deed including the clause in which you agreed to abide by the HOA's rules.

HOA trumps 1st amendment?


Not so much 'trumps' as 'isn't a government body, so isn't bound by' situation.

The First Amendment isn't there to prevent you from signing away some of your other rights voluntarily to another private party.

Now, if a hypothetical plaintiff could show that ALL the housing stock in his town/city/county was covered by restrictive HOAs, he might have an argument that they were quasi-government entities, and therefore First Amendment analysis was appropriate.
 
2012-12-13 06:28:53 AM  

wildlifer: You want to get under the skin of a HOA? Gophers released onto their lawn or slugs released into flower beds. Let nature fight dirty for you.


And if we catch you, you'll be buying us a new communal lawn, and paying our legal fees for the privilege. And possible getting a criminal record as well.

Our lawn...stay off it.
 
2012-12-13 06:54:12 AM  

Lsherm: I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.


I hate Jesus, Christmas and America as much as the next atheist, but damned if I know who to root for here. "Fish or cut bait" indeed.
 
2012-12-13 07:09:25 AM  
This is a clearcut case of "asshole who bought into a HOA because he wants OTHERS to conform learns that rules apply to him, too." I hate HOAs because they don't do what they purport to do (increase property value), but instead just empower petty tyrants to enforce mindless conformity. But anybody who buys into a HOA neighborhood deserves every ounce of repression they get.
 
2012-12-13 07:30:58 AM  
Oh, crap wrong picture.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-12-13 07:31:36 AM  

Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU


And the makes perfect sense because:

a. 'Art' enjoys some special status that affords it protection not available to mere religious speach; and

b. The ACLU routinely gets involved in contract disputes between private parties.

Got it.
 
2012-12-13 07:33:06 AM  

EggSniper:
Usually their first contact with you is a demand to pay an exorbitant fine or they'll take your house.


Nonsense, just b/c that may have happened to you doesn't mean that it's usual or normal.
 
2012-12-13 07:34:00 AM  

CaptSS: HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.


It was when I was house hunting.

2 car garage
back yard big enough for my dogs to run around
no HOA.

My realtor said I was one of the easier clients she had dealt with.
 
2012-12-13 07:42:01 AM  

PunGent: wildlifer: You want to get under the skin of a HOA? Gophers released onto their lawn or slugs released into flower beds. Let nature fight dirty for you.

And if we catch you, you'll be buying us a new communal lawn, and paying our legal fees for the privilege. And possible getting a criminal record as well.

.


Well, that just goes back to the first rule of Doing Stuff....don't get caught.
That's why I fling the slugs I find on my house into my asshole neighbor's garden at 2am on a monday morning instead of 12pm on a saturday. (I'm off on mondays and I am usualy going to bed at that time, and already outside taking the dogs out for 1 last pee. I don't make a special trip just to chuck slugs.)
 
2012-12-13 07:51:15 AM  

teeny: Damn you for posting an article where I have to side with the HOA.

Merry goddamn Christmas.


Hey I agree too. Wanna make it a Christmas decoration? Make it out of lights.

www.meijer.com

THAT's a Christmas decoration, not your flimsy POS sign.

/still think it's plain tacky.
//doesn't decorate house with seasonal lights anyways.
 
2012-12-13 08:15:22 AM  

varmitydog: Oh, crap wrong picture.

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 169x500]


I think I liked the first one better...
 
2012-12-13 08:26:58 AM  

Lachwen: [hrminion.com image 374x430]

/seriously, I'm the first?


To think that joke was funny for more than five minutes? Yeah, I think so.
 
2012-12-13 08:35:55 AM  

baka-san: CaptSS: HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.

It was when I was house hunting.

2 car garage
back yard big enough for my dogs to run around
no HOA.

My realtor said I was one of the easier clients she had dealt with.


Yeah- anecdote is not proof and all that. In many places, including virtually the entire state of Florida, the options that don't have an HOA are extremely limited. Developers have made a concerted effort to force every one they can into one, since cookie cutter blandness helped them sell houses as investments for more money than they would command as places to actually live.

spidermann: Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....


That's actually a really good idea.
 
2012-12-13 08:38:59 AM  

FriarReb98: This. The guy's just using the season to give him a reason to break HOA rules, which, while they're as popular as VDs around here, are to keep idiots like this from doing what he's doing.


This is why I live in an old, rat-infested crime city full of pollution and smog even though I'm rich.

If I had an HOA trod out to tell me what I'm allowed to do on my property, I'd burn down the HOA president's house. With him in it. After sealing the doors.

HOA is basically a direct democracy, which is just a way for the apathetic majority to inconvenience the minority. "Hey, it doesn't affect me so I don't care... they shouldn't do that, it's in the rules and I don't see why they would want to." You have an acre and a half of land but you can't keep a chicken coop or a goat because the neighbors think you're weird for drinking goat's milk and they're afraid the chickens might ... something. Look normal people don't have chickens, you can't have them.

We have governments collecting taxes. I don't need my stupid neighbors collecting taxes from me.
 
2012-12-13 08:43:41 AM  
I wonder how many times Ms HOA has had to say this....

FFTA "she reinforced that it's purely the size that's at issue"
 
2012-12-13 08:44:35 AM  

spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....


It's funny, I posted
"We should make Kentucky a Right-To-Habitate state, where we remove compulsory inclusion in the HOA upon purchasing a house."

not 30 seconds before reading what you said.


For people saying don't move into an HOA, you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA, it's next to impossible. And a lot of these HOA's are instituted by the developer who doesn't care what happens after they're gone.
 
2012-12-13 08:53:46 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Earth's procession is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.


You are going to need a bigger decoration if you want that to be decipherable from the street.
 
2012-12-13 08:58:30 AM  
Not only an HOA violation, but one that precludes him from being raised up in the forthcoming Rapture. Too bad.
 
2012-12-13 08:59:56 AM  
O joy....


Evandalism.....
 
2012-12-13 09:04:34 AM  
Girion47 - ...you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA...

Wow... your defining criteria are a bit restrictive, eh? And, please give us a description of 'a good part of town'. I would love to hear it.

Since HOAs have only two reasons to exist, i.e.: A) it gives real douchebags an outlet for their conformist douchery, and B) it protects the property values of the homes in it, (to the exclusion of everything else), so they become 'assets', not 'homes', they are pretty much useless except for those who feel they have to manage everyone elses lives. Having said this, I do have to say the guy signed the HOA covenants, so he has little to stand on. Except his faith. Wonder if that will help him in this matter?
 
2012-12-13 09:10:15 AM  

spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....


I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)
 
2012-12-13 09:15:29 AM  
That dude's got a horse face only Jesus could love.
 
2012-12-13 09:16:05 AM  

bluefoxicy: spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....

I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)


That is awesome. I may alter that to send on to my state reps.
 
2012-12-13 09:16:25 AM  
Do away with the sign, and use a laser projector to put the message up on the side of your house.
 
2012-12-13 09:19:08 AM  
Girlfriend's parents live in an HOA neighborhood. They recently replaced their rotting wood privacy fence with a fence of the same height in a tasteful white made of vinyl that matches the siding of the house.
Of course, the HOA busy body (just one) with nothing else to do but boss others around, decided she wanted to tell them that EVEN THOUGH the fence was a prior fixture in the lawn and PER HOA guidelines a fence of the SAME height is allowed, the "material is different" and that is some kind of unwritten violation because it doesn't match the crap wood that was previously there.
Obviously, the parents told the busy body to go fark herself and DIAF, that they are within guidelines because it was a previous fixture.
Busy body still harassing them for no reason other than she is a housewife with nothing to do.
Now she is trying some BS about a permit to build the fence? Not sure how that works since the fence existed prior, it was just replaced with a non-broken fence.

/CSB
 
2012-12-13 09:22:14 AM  
i.imgur.com 

/FAIL
 
2012-12-13 09:22:28 AM  

Ed Finnerty: And the meek shall inherit the Earth.


We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes.
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why.
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx HOA
Our great computers IBM Selectric typewriters fill the hallowed halls.
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx HOA
All the gifts of life are held within our walls.
 
2012-12-13 09:24:41 AM  

payattention: Girion47 - ...you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA...

Wow... your defining criteria are a bit restrictive, eh? And, please give us a description of 'a good part of town'. I would love to hear it.

Since HOAs have only two reasons to exist, i.e.: A) it gives real douchebags an outlet for their conformist douchery, and B) it protects the property values of the homes in it, (to the exclusion of everything else), so they become 'assets', not 'homes', they are pretty much useless except for those who feel they have to manage everyone elses lives. Having said this, I do have to say the guy signed the HOA covenants, so he has little to stand on. Except his faith. Wonder if that will help him in this matter?


My criteria when searching for my house was:

3 Bed
2 Bath
2 Car Garage
Less than 20 Years old
No HOA
>2000 sq. ft.
180-210K

And in the zipcodes of

40220
40218
40222
40223
40242
40207
40241
40025.

Also needs to be inside of I-265.


FWIW I did find the house eventually, but it took quite a while and dealing with a seller that didn't seem to understand that you can't demand your original price when your house hasn't sold within 5 months of putting it on the market and not adjusting it once.
 
2012-12-13 09:25:33 AM  
Anyone who messes with an HOA has my support.

What is with these people who worry about their damn home values, anyway? What a stupid, no longer relevant, concept.
 
2012-12-13 09:26:12 AM  

Radak: Should have just made an array of 2x2 signs. "These aren't signs or Christmas decorations. They're pixels."


Jesus.......IS THE.....REASON.....FOR THE.......SEASON.......BURMA SHAVE
 
2012-12-13 09:28:21 AM  

Girion47: For people saying don't move into an HOA, you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA, it's next to impossible.


Man, am I glad I live in a part of the country that isn't as sh*tty as yours.
 
2012-12-13 09:34:09 AM  

Lsherm: I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.


I'm sure Mr. Meeker would stand behind a Muslim putting up a sign for an Islamic holiday.

/no, I don't believe that
 
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