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(Tri-City Herald)   HOA: signs larger than 2' by 2' are not allowed. Homeowner: it's not a sign, it's a 6 foot long flat Christmas decoration with printing on it   (tri-cityherald.com) divider line 149
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2012-12-12 08:14:16 PM
I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.
 
2012-12-12 08:22:38 PM
Earth's procession is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.
 
2012-12-12 08:36:30 PM
This thread has the potential to be a variant on that old "how fishermen blow their minds" Far Side cartoon.
 
2012-12-12 08:38:40 PM
Well if you're going to go all Magritte on our asses, this is not an eviction notice.
 
2012-12-12 08:44:23 PM
Yep. It's a sign.
 
2012-12-12 08:50:32 PM
And the meek shall inherit the Earth.
 
2012-12-12 08:54:05 PM
Surely it is a sign of the apocalypse ... I'm agreeing with the HOA.

Get that farking thing out of my sight!
 
2012-12-12 09:16:53 PM

Ed Finnerty: And the meek shall inherit the Earth.



...which is,of course, why he should be meeker and adhere to the HOA bylaw.
 
2012-12-12 09:17:47 PM

Lsherm: No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.


This. The guy's just using the season to give him a reason to break HOA rules, which, while they're as popular as VDs around here, are to keep idiots like this from doing what he's doing.
 
2012-12-12 09:25:12 PM
How else will the evil heathens learn about the silver bells and axial tilt and the pine trees and Santa Claus and California raisins and the Jesus and Blitzen and the Ghost of Christmas Present and egg nog without violating basic contract law? Also, there's usually a donkey involved.

/Also this...
 
2012-12-12 09:42:49 PM

FriarReb98: Lsherm: No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.

This. The guy's just using the season to give him a reason to break HOA rules, which, while they're as popular as VDs around here, are to keep idiots like this from doing what he's doing.


Right. He only got religion so he can break rules.
 
2012-12-12 10:05:16 PM
Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.
 
2012-12-12 10:07:35 PM
Geez... I'm in favor of The War on Christmas as much as the next heathen liberal atheist, but Jesus farking Christ on a cracker, it's farking Christmas... lighten up Francis.
 
2012-12-12 10:25:49 PM
Submitter here... I'm trying to get one of my friends who lives in that same neighborhood to put up a 2 foot by 2 foot sign that he wanted to put up (he says he's too lazy and doesn't want to get vandalized) that says "Axial tilt: the reason for the season". 

I commented in the paper as well, asking: I wonder if one of his neighbors put up a Happy Hanukkah sign the same size as his, and put blue and white lights around it, or a sign saying "Merry Kwanzaa" or a sign wishing people a Merry Solstice, would he be leading the pack in requiring them to be removed?
 
2012-12-12 10:26:48 PM
Maybe Jesus is the reason the HOA will own his home shortly.
 
2012-12-12 10:37:40 PM
What Would Jesus Decorate?
 
2012-12-12 10:50:53 PM

Mominator: Submitter here... I'm trying to get one of my friends who lives in that same neighborhood to put up a 2 foot by 2 foot sign that he wanted to put up (he says he's too lazy and doesn't want to get vandalized) that says "Axial tilt: the reason for the season". 

I commented in the paper as well, asking: I wonder if one of his neighbors put up a Happy Hanukkah sign the same size as his, and put blue and white lights around it, or a sign saying "Merry Kwanzaa" or a sign wishing people a Merry Solstice, would he be leading the pack in requiring them to be removed?


Why would he? The HOA is requiring it to be removed. In general, people who run afoul of HOA rules aren't the kind of people who enforce HOA rules.
 
2012-12-12 11:04:30 PM
Why is it that the flamboyant displays of modern religion are always gaudy and hideous? Is there any religious person with a sense of taste anymore?
 
2012-12-13 12:06:51 AM

81250742" target="_blank">spqr_ca: Why is it that the flamboyant displays of modern religion are always gaudy and hideous? Is there any religious person with a sense of taste anymore?


lib.store.yahoo.net
 
2012-12-13 12:14:20 AM

Lsherm: Mominator: Submitter here... I'm trying to get one of my friends who lives in that same neighborhood to put up a 2 foot by 2 foot sign that he wanted to put up (he says he's too lazy and doesn't want to get vandalized) that says "Axial tilt: the reason for the season". 

I commented in the paper as well, asking: I wonder if one of his neighbors put up a Happy Hanukkah sign the same size as his, and put blue and white lights around it, or a sign saying "Merry Kwanzaa" or a sign wishing people a Merry Solstice, would he be leading the pack in requiring them to be removed?

Why would he? The HOA is requiring it to be removed. In general, people who run afoul of HOA rules aren't the kind of people who enforce HOA rules.


At this point, the sign is still there. I'm asking a question, and I honestly would be interested in hearing the answer from that homeowner. Is he protesting against the HOA's restrictions, or is this a sort of "I'm Christian so I can get away with this" thing?
 
2012-12-13 12:23:11 AM

Mominator: At this point, the sign is still there. I'm asking a question, and I honestly would be interested in hearing the answer from that homeowner. Is he protesting against the HOA's restrictions, or is this a sort of "I'm Christian so I can get away with this" thing?


I thinks it's more of a "I'm a Christian, and this is OUR holiday, and my god is bigger than your god, and I'm doing this as a religious duty - RELIGIOUS duty, mind you, so how dare you tell me I can't put up a sign if I want to" thing.
 
2012-12-13 01:00:15 AM
Jesus should have told you to not join an HOA.
 
2012-12-13 01:44:59 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What Would Jesus Decorate?


If you take one and staple it to a couple of planks, it looks fabulous.
 
2012-12-13 02:18:32 AM
Ugh.. Pushy over the top agenda driven religious assholes.. Just as bad as pushy over the top agenda driven atheists.
 
2012-12-13 02:23:30 AM
I'd put up a sign of Bastet and Anubis. Just because I could.
 
2012-12-13 02:25:50 AM

styckx: Ugh.. Pushy over the top agenda driven religious assholes.. Just as bad as pushy over the top agenda driven atheists.


Which do you hear more from? You are just as bad as the BSABSVR crowd, you know that, right?
 
2012-12-13 02:26:09 AM
Personally, I'd want him to be allowed to keep the sign, just so I would never forget which house belongs to the pushy douchecanoe.

/down with HOAs
//down with God-botherers
 
2012-12-13 02:26:17 AM
Was excited for an HOA thread...

Too bad it's a sign.

/Maybe net time.
 
2012-12-13 02:27:08 AM
No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU
 
2012-12-13 02:28:49 AM
Damn you for posting an article where I have to side with the HOA.

Merry goddamn Christmas.
 
2012-12-13 02:30:49 AM

CantConfirmOrDeny: Surely it is a sign of the apocalypse ... I'm agreeing with the HOA.


It just better be a sign that's 2' x 2' or less.
 
2012-12-13 02:31:02 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Earth's procession axial tilt is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.


FTFY.

Also, I think you meant precession, and that is the change in the tilt itself.
 
2012-12-13 02:31:24 AM

1000 Ways to Dye: AverageAmericanGuy: Earth's procession axial tilt is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.

FTFY.

Also, I think you meant precession, and that is the change in the tilt itself.


DID I STUTTER??
 
2012-12-13 02:34:42 AM

Blue_Blazer: styckx: Ugh.. Pushy over the top agenda driven religious assholes.. Just as bad as pushy over the top agenda driven atheists.

Which do you hear more from? You are just as bad as the BSABSVR crowd, you know that, right?


I prefer to just not vote. Just as I prefer to keep my religious beliefs to myself as I don't have any unwarranted self importance and think random people actually give a shiat about what I believe in..
 
2012-12-13 02:36:45 AM
We need to get God back in HOA's.
 
2012-12-13 02:40:24 AM
Nice to see the weekly "HOA is Auschwitz" thread.
 
2012-12-13 02:41:21 AM

baka-san: Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.


Who said he wanted in a HOA? Because he moved there? Are you on of those "if you don't like a HOA don't move there?"

HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.

I do agree with the HOA that it is a sign and should go.
 
2012-12-13 02:44:53 AM

CaptSS: HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there


The funny part about most people who complain about their HOA is they don't ever go to the monthly meetings. You want to fix your HOA, or have input in it's operation? Go to the meetings, participate, democracy.
 
2012-12-13 02:47:45 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Whyat Would Jesus Decorate?


Who decorates for their own birthday?
 
2012-12-13 02:50:27 AM

CaptSS: baka-san: Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.

Who said he wanted in a HOA? Because he moved there? Are you on of those "if you don't like a HOA don't move there?"

HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.



Yes it is.

Oh, you want low-crime, right?
 
2012-12-13 02:52:47 AM
I'm torn, here. On one hand, I hate HOAs. I think they're one of the worst inventions ever and exist purely to separate otherwise good people from their money.

On the other hand, considering that sign, this guy is a douchecanoe and deserves whatever he gets.
 
2012-12-13 02:53:56 AM

log_jammin: Jesus should have told you to not join an HOA.


Or to at least read the two-page flier conveniently tucked into his door about two weeks before Thanksgiving that reminded residents about the holiday decorating rules.
 
2012-12-13 02:56:04 AM

CaptSS: baka-san: Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.

Who said he wanted in a HOA? Because he moved there? Are you on of those "if you don't like a HOA don't move there?"

HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.

I do agree with the HOA that it is a sign and should go.


Yes, it is. Choosing a place to live is all about compromise. You can't have every feature you want. You can't live in your own definition of the perfect neighborhood. You can't dictate what stores and services are nearby or how close your job is (finding a job, also compromise). If you're going to buy a home you damned well better know if there's an HOA involved. Ignorance of the rules won't protect you from a bunch of power mad whiny douche nozzles who decide to fine you into bankruptcy so if you have to find out the hard way that's your own fault.

Having dealt with HOA BS myself I can say that it would be nice if more of them were as proactive about making residents aware of the rules as this one was. Usually their first contact with you is a demand to pay an exorbitant fine or they'll take your house. If you want to claim you had no choice but to buy a house in an HOA and play the victim when they clamp down on you for not following the rules you're a retard. It really is that simple.
 
2012-12-13 02:56:35 AM

StoPPeRmobile: CaptSS: baka-san: Sorry Jackass, you wanted in the HOA, you got in, now do what yer told.

Who said he wanted in a HOA? Because he moved there? Are you on of those "if you don't like a HOA don't move there?"

HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.


Yes it is.

Oh, you want low-crime, right?


Yeah, that and something about a Camaro on blocks in the front yard affects the value. Of course that homeowner can't see it due to his front windows being covered with aluminum foil.
 
2012-12-13 02:59:40 AM
TRY HARDER
 
2012-12-13 03:00:27 AM

Lsherm: I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.


I'm of the opposite mind.

Normally I'd be against neighbors putting up a sign about Jesus. I like the Nativity because there's cows and shiat. It's cool farming action. But I'm not Christian and I don't need to see the J-word at Yuletide.

But in this case, it farks with an HOA. I hope he wins just because of that.
 
2012-12-13 03:06:13 AM

Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU


After that you can admire your signature on the deed including the clause in which you agreed to abide by the HOA's rules.
 
2012-12-13 03:06:56 AM
Normally I am against HOAs but just this one i have to agree its a damn sign.
 
2012-12-13 03:08:18 AM
Simple solution: Cut the offending sign into 2' X 2' pieces, then the HOA can't say shiat.
 
2012-12-13 03:11:29 AM

Pocket Ninja: This thread has the potential to be a variant on that old "how fishermen blow their minds" Far Side cartoon.


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2012-12-13 03:15:09 AM
I cannot stand HOAs, but this guy is a douche. He agreed to abide by the rules and regulations of the HOA, but apparently he feels that he should only do so when he wants to. Sorry, Dickhead, but suck it up and abide by the rules. If you object to the size limitations on signs then fight to have that rule abolished or changed, or sell your house and move elsewhere.
 
2012-12-13 03:16:25 AM
So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....
 
2012-12-13 03:19:21 AM

Ed Finnerty: And the meek shall inherit the Earth.


"Oh, I'm glad they're getting something, they have a hell of a time."
 
2012-12-13 03:21:24 AM
PS Jesus is NOT the reason for the season. That would be axial tilt.
 
2012-12-13 03:25:46 AM
Here's what everyone else in the neighborhood should do, if they hate both this guy and the HOA: put up equally large signs that say "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG". Refuse to take the signs down until either this guy takes his Jesus sign down or the HOA caves on the sign size requirement. If the HOA caves, just put up 2x2 signs saying "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG" (which meets the HOA code). That guy can choose to live with his 'Jesus Is The Reason for the Season' sign surrounded by 'HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG' signs, or he can take it down. Or he won't, and the HOA won't comply, or whatever, in which case, it will be a farking interesting neighborhood with interesting signs. I'm not offering a solution so much as I am inciting violence.
 
2012-12-13 03:29:48 AM

spqr_ca: Why is it that the flamboyant displays of modern religion are always gaudy and hideous? Is there any religious person with a sense of taste anymore?


www.dalailama.com
"Ahem......."
 
2012-12-13 03:41:12 AM

Lsherm: I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.


This.
 
2012-12-13 03:46:18 AM
Finally some action on the war on christmas front!
 
2012-12-13 03:57:09 AM
There's an easy way to get around this.

Make several 2 foot by 2 foot signs.

Print a portion of the big sign on each one.

Attach the signs to a wall in the right order so the HOA compliant signs display the same message the original sign did.

When asshat HOA drone comes by to biatch about it, point out to him/her/it the ever so slight gap between them and tell him/her/it this makes them seperate signs.
 
2012-12-13 04:56:28 AM
If you're that devoted to displaying your message, just spell it out with some generic x-mas lights and beat the system.
 
Xai
2012-12-13 05:03:52 AM
Wow, never thought i'd be siding with a HOA.
 
2012-12-13 05:33:58 AM

Gordon Bennett: Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU

After that you can admire your signature on the deed including the clause in which you agreed to abide by the HOA's rules.


HOA trumps 1st amendment?

who are these weird people who want to live in these places?
 
2012-12-13 05:37:57 AM
You want to get under the skin of a HOA? Gophers released onto their lawn or slugs released into flower beds. Let nature fight dirty for you.
 
2012-12-13 05:40:09 AM

PaLarkin: There's an easy way to get around this.

Make several 2 foot by 2 foot signs.

Print a portion of the big sign on each one.

Attach the signs to a wall in the right order so the HOA compliant signs display the same message the original sign did.

When asshat HOA drone comes by to biatch about it, point out to him/her/it the ever so slight gap between them and tell him/her/it this makes them seperate signs.


I would bet money that there is a limit on the number of signs that can be displayed.
 
2012-12-13 05:44:34 AM
Was the hero tag afraid the of the HOA's rules?
 
2012-12-13 06:02:01 AM
Should have just made an array of 2x2 signs. "These aren't signs or Christmas decorations. They're pixels."
 
2012-12-13 06:05:31 AM
Homeowner goes out of his way to be a douchebag. HOA goes out if its way to be a bag o' douches in response.

This sounds like a win/win to me.
 
2012-12-13 06:07:06 AM
horsegoeswest.com
 
2012-12-13 06:25:54 AM

Omahawg: Gordon Bennett: Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU

After that you can admire your signature on the deed including the clause in which you agreed to abide by the HOA's rules.

HOA trumps 1st amendment?


Not so much 'trumps' as 'isn't a government body, so isn't bound by' situation.

The First Amendment isn't there to prevent you from signing away some of your other rights voluntarily to another private party.

Now, if a hypothetical plaintiff could show that ALL the housing stock in his town/city/county was covered by restrictive HOAs, he might have an argument that they were quasi-government entities, and therefore First Amendment analysis was appropriate.
 
2012-12-13 06:28:53 AM

wildlifer: You want to get under the skin of a HOA? Gophers released onto their lawn or slugs released into flower beds. Let nature fight dirty for you.


And if we catch you, you'll be buying us a new communal lawn, and paying our legal fees for the privilege. And possible getting a criminal record as well.

Our lawn...stay off it.
 
2012-12-13 06:54:12 AM

Lsherm: I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.


I hate Jesus, Christmas and America as much as the next atheist, but damned if I know who to root for here. "Fish or cut bait" indeed.
 
2012-12-13 07:09:25 AM
This is a clearcut case of "asshole who bought into a HOA because he wants OTHERS to conform learns that rules apply to him, too." I hate HOAs because they don't do what they purport to do (increase property value), but instead just empower petty tyrants to enforce mindless conformity. But anybody who buys into a HOA neighborhood deserves every ounce of repression they get.
 
2012-12-13 07:30:58 AM
Oh, crap wrong picture.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-12-13 07:31:36 AM

Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU


And the makes perfect sense because:

a. 'Art' enjoys some special status that affords it protection not available to mere religious speach; and

b. The ACLU routinely gets involved in contract disputes between private parties.

Got it.
 
2012-12-13 07:33:06 AM

EggSniper:
Usually their first contact with you is a demand to pay an exorbitant fine or they'll take your house.


Nonsense, just b/c that may have happened to you doesn't mean that it's usual or normal.
 
2012-12-13 07:34:00 AM

CaptSS: HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.


It was when I was house hunting.

2 car garage
back yard big enough for my dogs to run around
no HOA.

My realtor said I was one of the easier clients she had dealt with.
 
2012-12-13 07:42:01 AM

PunGent: wildlifer: You want to get under the skin of a HOA? Gophers released onto their lawn or slugs released into flower beds. Let nature fight dirty for you.

And if we catch you, you'll be buying us a new communal lawn, and paying our legal fees for the privilege. And possible getting a criminal record as well.

.


Well, that just goes back to the first rule of Doing Stuff....don't get caught.
That's why I fling the slugs I find on my house into my asshole neighbor's garden at 2am on a monday morning instead of 12pm on a saturday. (I'm off on mondays and I am usualy going to bed at that time, and already outside taking the dogs out for 1 last pee. I don't make a special trip just to chuck slugs.)
 
2012-12-13 07:51:15 AM

teeny: Damn you for posting an article where I have to side with the HOA.

Merry goddamn Christmas.


Hey I agree too. Wanna make it a Christmas decoration? Make it out of lights.

www.meijer.com

THAT's a Christmas decoration, not your flimsy POS sign.

/still think it's plain tacky.
//doesn't decorate house with seasonal lights anyways.
 
2012-12-13 08:15:22 AM

varmitydog: Oh, crap wrong picture.

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I think I liked the first one better...
 
2012-12-13 08:26:58 AM

Lachwen: [hrminion.com image 374x430]

/seriously, I'm the first?


To think that joke was funny for more than five minutes? Yeah, I think so.
 
2012-12-13 08:35:55 AM

baka-san: CaptSS: HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.

It was when I was house hunting.

2 car garage
back yard big enough for my dogs to run around
no HOA.

My realtor said I was one of the easier clients she had dealt with.


Yeah- anecdote is not proof and all that. In many places, including virtually the entire state of Florida, the options that don't have an HOA are extremely limited. Developers have made a concerted effort to force every one they can into one, since cookie cutter blandness helped them sell houses as investments for more money than they would command as places to actually live.

spidermann: Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....


That's actually a really good idea.
 
2012-12-13 08:38:59 AM

FriarReb98: This. The guy's just using the season to give him a reason to break HOA rules, which, while they're as popular as VDs around here, are to keep idiots like this from doing what he's doing.


This is why I live in an old, rat-infested crime city full of pollution and smog even though I'm rich.

If I had an HOA trod out to tell me what I'm allowed to do on my property, I'd burn down the HOA president's house. With him in it. After sealing the doors.

HOA is basically a direct democracy, which is just a way for the apathetic majority to inconvenience the minority. "Hey, it doesn't affect me so I don't care... they shouldn't do that, it's in the rules and I don't see why they would want to." You have an acre and a half of land but you can't keep a chicken coop or a goat because the neighbors think you're weird for drinking goat's milk and they're afraid the chickens might ... something. Look normal people don't have chickens, you can't have them.

We have governments collecting taxes. I don't need my stupid neighbors collecting taxes from me.
 
2012-12-13 08:43:41 AM
I wonder how many times Ms HOA has had to say this....

FFTA "she reinforced that it's purely the size that's at issue"
 
2012-12-13 08:44:35 AM

spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....


It's funny, I posted
"We should make Kentucky a Right-To-Habitate state, where we remove compulsory inclusion in the HOA upon purchasing a house."

not 30 seconds before reading what you said.


For people saying don't move into an HOA, you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA, it's next to impossible. And a lot of these HOA's are instituted by the developer who doesn't care what happens after they're gone.
 
2012-12-13 08:53:46 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Earth's procession is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.


You are going to need a bigger decoration if you want that to be decipherable from the street.
 
2012-12-13 08:58:30 AM
Not only an HOA violation, but one that precludes him from being raised up in the forthcoming Rapture. Too bad.
 
2012-12-13 08:59:56 AM
O joy....


Evandalism.....
 
2012-12-13 09:04:34 AM
Girion47 - ...you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA...

Wow... your defining criteria are a bit restrictive, eh? And, please give us a description of 'a good part of town'. I would love to hear it.

Since HOAs have only two reasons to exist, i.e.: A) it gives real douchebags an outlet for their conformist douchery, and B) it protects the property values of the homes in it, (to the exclusion of everything else), so they become 'assets', not 'homes', they are pretty much useless except for those who feel they have to manage everyone elses lives. Having said this, I do have to say the guy signed the HOA covenants, so he has little to stand on. Except his faith. Wonder if that will help him in this matter?
 
2012-12-13 09:10:15 AM

spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....


I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)
 
2012-12-13 09:15:29 AM
That dude's got a horse face only Jesus could love.
 
2012-12-13 09:16:05 AM

bluefoxicy: spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....

I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)


That is awesome. I may alter that to send on to my state reps.
 
2012-12-13 09:16:25 AM
Do away with the sign, and use a laser projector to put the message up on the side of your house.
 
2012-12-13 09:19:08 AM
Girlfriend's parents live in an HOA neighborhood. They recently replaced their rotting wood privacy fence with a fence of the same height in a tasteful white made of vinyl that matches the siding of the house.
Of course, the HOA busy body (just one) with nothing else to do but boss others around, decided she wanted to tell them that EVEN THOUGH the fence was a prior fixture in the lawn and PER HOA guidelines a fence of the SAME height is allowed, the "material is different" and that is some kind of unwritten violation because it doesn't match the crap wood that was previously there.
Obviously, the parents told the busy body to go fark herself and DIAF, that they are within guidelines because it was a previous fixture.
Busy body still harassing them for no reason other than she is a housewife with nothing to do.
Now she is trying some BS about a permit to build the fence? Not sure how that works since the fence existed prior, it was just replaced with a non-broken fence.

/CSB
 
2012-12-13 09:22:14 AM
i.imgur.com 

/FAIL
 
2012-12-13 09:22:28 AM

Ed Finnerty: And the meek shall inherit the Earth.


We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes.
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why.
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx HOA
Our great computers IBM Selectric typewriters fill the hallowed halls.
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx HOA
All the gifts of life are held within our walls.
 
2012-12-13 09:24:41 AM

payattention: Girion47 - ...you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA...

Wow... your defining criteria are a bit restrictive, eh? And, please give us a description of 'a good part of town'. I would love to hear it.

Since HOAs have only two reasons to exist, i.e.: A) it gives real douchebags an outlet for their conformist douchery, and B) it protects the property values of the homes in it, (to the exclusion of everything else), so they become 'assets', not 'homes', they are pretty much useless except for those who feel they have to manage everyone elses lives. Having said this, I do have to say the guy signed the HOA covenants, so he has little to stand on. Except his faith. Wonder if that will help him in this matter?


My criteria when searching for my house was:

3 Bed
2 Bath
2 Car Garage
Less than 20 Years old
No HOA
>2000 sq. ft.
180-210K

And in the zipcodes of

40220
40218
40222
40223
40242
40207
40241
40025.

Also needs to be inside of I-265.


FWIW I did find the house eventually, but it took quite a while and dealing with a seller that didn't seem to understand that you can't demand your original price when your house hasn't sold within 5 months of putting it on the market and not adjusting it once.
 
2012-12-13 09:25:33 AM
Anyone who messes with an HOA has my support.

What is with these people who worry about their damn home values, anyway? What a stupid, no longer relevant, concept.
 
2012-12-13 09:26:12 AM

Radak: Should have just made an array of 2x2 signs. "These aren't signs or Christmas decorations. They're pixels."


Jesus.......IS THE.....REASON.....FOR THE.......SEASON.......BURMA SHAVE
 
2012-12-13 09:28:21 AM

Girion47: For people saying don't move into an HOA, you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA, it's next to impossible.


Man, am I glad I live in a part of the country that isn't as sh*tty as yours.
 
2012-12-13 09:34:09 AM

Lsherm: I hate HOAs, but:

"It shouldn't be considered a sign. It should be considered my Christmas decorations," he said.

No asshole, it's a sign. It's not even a decorative sign. It's just a sign.


I'm sure Mr. Meeker would stand behind a Muslim putting up a sign for an Islamic holiday.

/no, I don't believe that
 
2012-12-13 09:36:39 AM

Zulu_as_Kono: Girion47: For people saying don't move into an HOA, you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA, it's next to impossible.

Man, am I glad I live in a part of the country that isn't as sh*tty as yours.


Same. My house is non-HOA in a great area. It was built 24 years ago when I bought it, but I was sold when EVERYTHING had been replaced by qualified contractors. Floors, HVAC, Water Heater, Interior Paint, and even the Dishwasher were all replaced. Previous owner was a dog enthusiast as well as an avid DIY type...unfortunately it was more a Do-It-Piss-Poor-Wrong and let your dogs destroy the house type. FFS I even have a warranty still on my water heater. HVAC crapped out last year, but I got it fixed under my home warranty.
 
2012-12-13 09:40:38 AM

Zulu_as_Kono: Girion47: For people saying don't move into an HOA, you try finding a house, in a good part of town that isn't older than 20 years that doesn't have an HOA, it's next to impossible.

Man, am I glad I live in a part of the country that isn't as sh*tty as yours.


I left the DC area which is rampant with fascist HOA's, Louisville is better about it, but I don't like how HOA's can change against your will after you buy into them.

/yes you have a vote, but you can be overruled.
 
2012-12-13 09:55:39 AM
It's really simple what the HOA should do; sue him for his house, thus getting him out of the neighborhood. If he's a real Christian, he'll follow the words of Jesus and hand over whatever he's sued for, and more as well. (Matthew 5:40, y'all.)

Of course, there aren't enough actual real, practicing Christians on Earth to fill a school bus. But it'll expose this guy's hypocrisy.
 
2012-12-13 10:07:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Earth's procession is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.


Do you people ever get over that crap?
 
2012-12-13 10:12:29 AM

spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....


Dear lord I would support this.
 
2012-12-13 10:17:40 AM

Mominator: Lsherm: Mominator: Submitter here... I'm trying to get one of my friends who lives in that same neighborhood to put up a 2 foot by 2 foot sign that he wanted to put up (he says he's too lazy and doesn't want to get vandalized) that says "Axial tilt: the reason for the season". 

I commented in the paper as well, asking: I wonder if one of his neighbors put up a Happy Hanukkah sign the same size as his, and put blue and white lights around it, or a sign saying "Merry Kwanzaa" or a sign wishing people a Merry Solstice, would he be leading the pack in requiring them to be removed?

Why would he? The HOA is requiring it to be removed. In general, people who run afoul of HOA rules aren't the kind of people who enforce HOA rules.

At this point, the sign is still there. I'm asking a question, and I honestly would be interested in hearing the answer from that homeowner. Is he protesting against the HOA's restrictions, or is this a sort of "I'm Christian so I can get away with this" thing?


FTA: "To me, if the message is OK, they should be saying, "Rejoice! Jesus is the reason for the season. Amen," Meeker told the Herald.

I doubt he'd feel the same were someone displaying a sign antithetical to his, be it pagan, Satanist, or atheist. His stated rationale is actually "because Jesus".
 
2012-12-13 10:58:43 AM
One of the houses down the street from me has a wire frame Crucifix decoration complete with lLED Jesus. Tacky.
 
2012-12-13 11:10:02 AM

bluefoxicy: spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....

I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)


Neat idea, but it won't work since the local governments have turned over the basic functions, like trash removal, snow plowing, etc. to the HOAs. Check out Montgomery county where they have made it the law that any development ( > 5 houses) has to have an HOA.

//one of the reasons I live in Cornfield County.
 
2012-12-13 11:14:07 AM

Omahawg: Gordon Bennett: Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU

After that you can admire your signature on the deed including the clause in which you agreed to abide by the HOA's rules.

HOA trumps 1st amendment?

who are these weird people who want to live in these places?


No. You can still sign an NDA that makes you civilly liable if you talk about things covered in it. That's not abridging your freedom of speech, that's contract law. There are some unconscionable contracts, but this isn't one of them.
 
2012-12-13 11:16:26 AM
standards agreed to by all of the 215 homeowners in the development.

Doubt it. Also the easy fix for this is to make six 2x2 signs.
 
2012-12-13 11:20:34 AM

maxis_mydog: bluefoxicy: spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....

I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)

Neat idea, but it won't work since the local governments have turned over the basic functions, like trash removal, snow plowing, etc. to the HOAs. Check out Montgomery county where they have made it the law that any development ( > 5 houses) has to have an HOA.

//one of the reasons I live in Cornfield County.


You have a citation for that? It'd be useful for a discussion I'm in right now.
 
2012-12-13 11:20:42 AM
What an ugly, stupid sign. No, buddy, your religion doesn't require that you put a big ugly blue sign in your front yard proclaiming to the world what a tool you are. Go do something useful like volunteering at a soup kitchen and take that ugly thing down.
 
2012-12-13 11:21:46 AM
So he'e a liar (and he knows it),
but he thinks it's ok to lie because his message is so important.
His end justifies his means.
 
2012-12-13 11:25:07 AM

Omahawg: Gordon Bennett: Omahawg: No, it's "art", dummy. It's always "art" and then hand them the business card of the local chapter of the ACLU

After that you can admire your signature on the deed including the clause in which you agreed to abide by the HOA's rules.

HOA trumps 1st amendment?

who are these weird people who want to live in these places?


Something being art means you can leave it anywhere?
 
2012-12-13 11:26:20 AM

The Larch: What an ugly, stupid sign. No, buddy, your religion doesn't require that you put a big ugly blue sign in your front yard proclaiming to the world what a tool you are. Go do something useful like volunteering at a soup kitchen and take that ugly thing down.


christianity didn't get a couple billion followers from being humble
 
2012-12-13 11:42:28 AM
Lets see, 4 out of 5 homes being built are in an HOA, so really, not much of a choice to buy a house that isn't HOA.

Also this:

"Homeowners face other risks. In a recent California case, after the Simi Valley Le Parc Homeowners Association hired a contractor to clean up earthquake damage, a board member expressed dissatisfaction with the contractor's work. The contractor sued the board for breach of contract and trade disparagement and won a $6.7 million arbitration award. It fell to the homeowners to cover that amount, first by having their monthly dues seized, then through a special assessment. When the homeowners argued that no money was left to pay for utilities or perform other needed maintenance, one judge said of the homeowners, "They're going to suffer the consequences of the acts of the board of directors." After protests and a lawsuit, the HOA's insurance carrier wound up footing the bill. Another case in California held individual homeowners responsible for hundreds of thousands of dollars in punitive damages after a court found that its board had acted with malice against a contractor. The homeowners settled the case in August by self-imposing a special assessment averaging $23,000 per household. "

Source
 
2012-12-13 12:04:46 PM

bluefoxicy: spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....

I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)


Might work where HOAs cover individual, discrete, lots.

But I'd hate to see that passed for my place. With multiple units sharing communal roofs, simple maintenance would become a litigious nightmare.

Bear in mind that almost any HOA in the country can be terminated simply by a voting majority of its owners agreeing to do so. The fact that they don't, might just possibly indicate they're reasonably happy the way things are.

You may be trying to fix a 'problem' that's largely a media artifact, and trampling property and contract rights to do so.

'Well-run HOA takes care of business, lets members do as they please' doesn't sell a lot of newspapers...

For all those saying HOAs take money from their members, mine is run by non-paid elected members; dues go straight into needed maintenance.

Are there bad HOAs? Sure. Just don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
 
2012-12-13 12:10:03 PM

maxis_mydog: bluefoxicy: spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....

I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)

Neat idea, but it won't work since the local governments have turned over the basic functions, like trash removal, snow plowing, etc. to the HOAs. Check out Montgomery county where they have made it the law that any development ( > 5 houses) has to have an HOA.

//one of the reasons I live in Cornfield County.


Now, in your Montgomery county, you'd have a much better argument that things like the First Amendment should apply to HOAs. The more government functions an HOA (or any other organization) assumes, the stronger the case.
 
2012-12-13 12:11:24 PM

Girion47: Lets see, 4 out of 5 homes being built are in an HOA, so really, not much of a choice to buy a house that isn't HOA.

Also this:

"Homeowners face other risks. In a recent California case, after the Simi Valley Le Parc Homeowners Association hired a contractor to clean up earthquake damage, a board member expressed dissatisfaction with the contractor's work. The contractor sued the board for breach of contract and trade disparagement and won a $6.7 million arbitration award. It fell to the homeowners to cover that amount, first by having their monthly dues seized, then through a special assessment. When the homeowners argued that no money was left to pay for utilities or perform other needed maintenance, one judge said of the homeowners, "They're going to suffer the consequences of the acts of the board of directors." After protests and a lawsuit, the HOA's insurance carrier wound up footing the bill. Another case in California held individual homeowners responsible for hundreds of thousands of dollars in punitive damages after a court found that its board had acted with malice against a contractor. The homeowners settled the case in August by self-imposing a special assessment averaging $23,000 per household. "

Source


Got a cite for that 4/5 figure?

Not saying I don't believe you, just surprised it's that high.
 
2012-12-13 12:13:07 PM

Girion47: Lets see, 4 out of 5 homes being built are in an HOA, so really, not much of a choice to buy a house that isn't HOA.

Also this:

"Homeowners face other risks. In a recent California case, after the Simi Valley Le Parc Homeowners Association hired a contractor to clean up earthquake damage, a board member expressed dissatisfaction with the contractor's work. The contractor sued the board for breach of contract and trade disparagement and won a $6.7 million arbitration award. It fell to the homeowners to cover that amount, first by having their monthly dues seized, then through a special assessment. When the homeowners argued that no money was left to pay for utilities or perform other needed maintenance, one judge said of the homeowners, "They're going to suffer the consequences of the acts of the board of directors." After protests and a lawsuit, the HOA's insurance carrier wound up footing the bill. Another case in California held individual homeowners responsible for hundreds of thousands of dollars in punitive damages after a court found that its board had acted with malice against a contractor. The homeowners settled the case in August by self-imposing a special assessment averaging $23,000 per household. "

Source


By source, I mean other than the link...that author didn't say where she got it.
 
2012-12-13 12:17:02 PM

doczoidberg: Anyone who messes with an HOA has my support.

What is with these people who worry about their damn home values, anyway? What a stupid, no longer relevant, concept.


Home values involve money, which can be exchanged for goods and services.

Commie :)
 
2012-12-13 12:25:45 PM

PunGent: Girion47: Lets see, 4 out of 5 homes being built are in an HOA, so really, not much of a choice to buy a house that isn't HOA.

Also this:

"Homeowners face other risks. In a recent California case, after the Simi Valley Le Parc Homeowners Association hired a contractor to clean up earthquake damage, a board member expressed dissatisfaction with the contractor's work. The contractor sued the board for breach of contract and trade disparagement and won a $6.7 million arbitration award. It fell to the homeowners to cover that amount, first by having their monthly dues seized, then through a special assessment. When the homeowners argued that no money was left to pay for utilities or perform other needed maintenance, one judge said of the homeowners, "They're going to suffer the consequences of the acts of the board of directors." After protests and a lawsuit, the HOA's insurance carrier wound up footing the bill. Another case in California held individual homeowners responsible for hundreds of thousands of dollars in punitive damages after a court found that its board had acted with malice against a contractor. The homeowners settled the case in August by self-imposing a special assessment averaging $23,000 per household. "

Source

By source, I mean other than the link...that author didn't say where she got it.


This article attributes the number to an AP study, but the source link gets redirected to ABC's home page.
 
2012-12-13 12:27:31 PM
Not only is it a sign, it is also WRONG!
 
2012-12-13 12:27:41 PM
I just love these a--holes that freely move into these Nazi HOA's, knowing full well the ridiculous rules they have, and then suddenly decide they don't like their rules. Idiots.
 
2012-12-13 12:30:11 PM

900RR: I just love these a--holes that freely move into these Nazi HOA's, knowing full well the ridiculous rules they have, and then suddenly decide they don't like their rules. Idiots.


The problem is that the number of neighborhoods without HOAs is continually shrinking, and neighborhoods without HOAs are often older and poorer. I hate that for many people the choice is "live in an HOA neighborhood with potentially onerous rules or jerkass boards" or "live in the middle of nowhere or an unsafe area"...
 
2012-12-13 12:35:00 PM

Lord Dimwit: 900RR: I just love these a--holes that freely move into these Nazi HOA's, knowing full well the ridiculous rules they have, and then suddenly decide they don't like their rules. Idiots.

The problem is that the number of neighborhoods without HOAs is continually shrinking, and neighborhoods without HOAs are often older and poorer. I hate that for many people the choice is "live in an HOA neighborhood with potentially onerous rules or jerkass boards" or "live in the middle of nowhere or an unsafe area"...


It's almost like us jerk asses are keeping out the riffraff :)
 
2012-12-13 12:36:56 PM

Lord Dimwit: 900RR: I just love these a--holes that freely move into these Nazi HOA's, knowing full well the ridiculous rules they have, and then suddenly decide they don't like their rules. Idiots.

The problem is that the number of neighborhoods without HOAs is continually shrinking, and neighborhoods without HOAs are often older and poorer. I hate that for many people the choice is "live in an HOA neighborhood with potentially onerous rules or jerkass boards" or "live in the middle of nowhere or an unsafe area"...


Screw it... buy a gat and move to the country! Then you can do whatever you want without worry! Your neighbors will be like-minded and probably help you out more than the police ever would. Not all places without zoning are pits. Most of the house on my street are pushing $200k or more.
 
2012-12-13 12:37:03 PM

PunGent: It's almost like us jerk asses are keeping out the riffraff :)


The riffraff need to live somewhere.
 
2012-12-13 01:24:27 PM
Which chapter in the Bible references the Christmas holiday season again?

I don't recall Jesus anything about it.
 
2012-12-13 01:38:22 PM

900RR: Lord Dimwit: 900RR: I just love these a--holes that freely move into these Nazi HOA's, knowing full well the ridiculous rules they have, and then suddenly decide they don't like their rules. Idiots.

The problem is that the number of neighborhoods without HOAs is continually shrinking, and neighborhoods without HOAs are often older and poorer. I hate that for many people the choice is "live in an HOA neighborhood with potentially onerous rules or jerkass boards" or "live in the middle of nowhere or an unsafe area"...

Screw it... buy a gat and move to the country! Then you can do whatever you want without worry! Your neighbors will be like-minded and probably help you out more than the police ever would. Not all places without zoning are pits. Most of the house on my street are pushing $200k or more.


Nothing wrong with the sticks.

$200k, though, goes a lot further in some places than others, of course. It IS the pits for most near-Boston areas, where I am.
 
2012-12-13 01:39:26 PM

SkunkWerks: PunGent: It's almost like us jerk asses are keeping out the riffraff :)

The riffraff need to live somewhere.


Yes, yes they do.

Odd how lots of other folks don't want to live near them, though, isn't it?
 
2012-12-13 01:48:24 PM

Girion47: maxis_mydog: bluefoxicy: spidermann: So... when will the Union busting politicals get off their asses and bust the HOA/COAs?

It's a strong grouping of people forcing the same rules upon everybody and as soon as you move into their territory you have to pay them to be a part of it whether you like it or not.

Perhaps a "Right to Buy Law" would be needed.....

I have been contacting my state representatives in Maryland asking for legislation restricting the powers of the HOA. Under my proposed legislation, HOA membership would function similar to Union membership in the Federal Government.

In the Federal Government, when a Federal Employee is hired, the Union approaches the Employee with an explanation of Union dues, rules, and benefits. The employee is at this point already employed by the Federal Government; he may chose to opt into the Union or he may decline, in either case retaining his employment status. Those who decline Union membership may not be removed from employment for opting out.

Similarly, I propose that HOA membership terminates upon execution of a contract of sale; and that the HOA may not require membership in the HOA as a clause in the contract for an HOA member to sell their property. Upon ratification of contract, the HOA may approach the buyer with an explanation of HOA fees, rules, and benefits; the HOA may not nullify the contract of sale if the buyer refuses to join the HOA.

What we need is a grass roots push for this kind of legislation. We don't need to legislate HOAs out of existence; we just need to legislate individual liberty back into existence. (Read this in the voice of Ron Paul)

Neat idea, but it won't work since the local governments have turned over the basic functions, like trash removal, snow plowing, etc. to the HOAs. Check out Montgomery county where they have made it the law that any development ( > 5 houses) has to have an HOA.

//one of the reasons I live in Cornfield County.

You have a citation for that? ...


Google " Montgomery County MD HOA developer requirements" and look for

common ownership community manual & resource guide

I think you'll find what you're looking for.
 
2012-12-13 03:25:59 PM

PunGent: Odd how lots of other folks don't want to live near them, though, isn't it?


Not really. NIMBY. It's true in any small town or suburb really.

Once watched an entire room full of people pan a zoning law change that would have allowed cell towers in my town (which is, for reference, made of about 20 square miles of state forest).

Over 80% of the room's occupants owned cell phones.

It's not about reasoning, it's about where the thing can't be.
 
2012-12-13 03:40:36 PM

PunGent: Lord Dimwit: 900RR: I just love these a--holes that freely move into these Nazi HOA's, knowing full well the ridiculous rules they have, and then suddenly decide they don't like their rules. Idiots.

The problem is that the number of neighborhoods without HOAs is continually shrinking, and neighborhoods without HOAs are often older and poorer. I hate that for many people the choice is "live in an HOA neighborhood with potentially onerous rules or jerkass boards" or "live in the middle of nowhere or an unsafe area"...

It's almost like us jerk asses white people are keeping out the riffraff minorities :)


But just speculating.
 
2012-12-13 03:59:17 PM
The guy's sign isn't a decoration. Let's be honest, it's just a sign. Still I don't like the idea of the HOA nazis harassing him over it. If he really wanted it to be a decoration, he'd buy some of those rope lights and write the text of the sign on the side of the roof facing the street.
 
2012-12-13 04:18:34 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: Lachwen: [hrminion.com image 374x430]

/seriously, I'm the first?

To think that joke was funny for more than five minutes? Yeah, I think so.


More like "I'm the first one to trot out an old joke on Fark?"

Seriously, man, this is Fark. Old and unfunny is what we do around here.
 
2012-12-13 04:53:52 PM

CaptSS:
HOA's cover appx 25 million homes in the US. It's not always as simple as just spouting off don't move there.


Out of 125 million homes in the US...so one in 5 homes in a HOA. It really isn't that difficult, I live in a city where HOAs are very prevalent. I told my realtor "I don't want an HOA" and he still found me a ton of different options. It does limit your options a little, but if it is important to you there are still plenty of decent homes in nice neighborhoods with no HOA.
 
2012-12-13 05:21:22 PM

R.A.Danny: AverageAmericanGuy: Earth's procession is the reason for the season. Pagan ritual is the reason for the seasonal celebration. Christian usurpation of the pagan ritual is the reason it has any meaning for Christians, but that's quite a bit of after-the-fact meaning assignment.

Do you people ever get over that crap?


We want our rootin' tootin' pagan tree sawin' solstice observin' holiday back dammit!
 
2012-12-13 05:44:44 PM
HOAs do not improve nor protect property values. They're just a marketing tool for real estate developers. When you factor in the association fees, you get less house for your money, a bunch of stupid rules, and no financial benefit when you resell.

Now, if you're the kind of by-the-rules personality who doesn't like your food to mingle, prefers Euro Disney to Europe, and gets anxious if your neighbor's grass goes uncut for more than a week, then probably HOAs are for you. For the rest of us, not so much.
 
2012-12-13 06:35:24 PM

mbillips: HOAs do not improve nor protect property values. They're just a marketing tool for real estate developers. When you factor in the association fees, you get less house for your money, a bunch of stupid rules, and no financial benefit when you resell.

Now, if you're the kind of by-the-rules personality who doesn't like your food to mingle, prefers Euro Disney to Europe, and gets anxious if your neighbor's grass goes uncut for more than a week, then probably HOAs are for you. For the rest of us, not so much.


Probably need some data that is more inclusive than just Planet Houston.

/just sayin'
//HOAs are teh suck
 
2012-12-13 06:48:41 PM

PaLarkin: The guy's sign isn't a decoration. Let's be honest, it's just a sign. Still I don't like the idea of the HOA nazis harassing him over it. If he really wanted it to be a decoration, he'd buy some of those rope lights and write the text of the sign on the side of the roof facing the street.


I'm not fond of HOAs, and I sure as hell wouldn't move into a neighborhood "governed" by an HOA. However, if he joined them willingly and signed that agreement, all he's doing is being an ass.
 
2012-12-13 07:38:29 PM
He should cut in half and have two signs:

Jes us
 
2012-12-13 09:02:25 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: PunGent: Lord Dimwit: 900RR: I just love these a--holes that freely move into these Nazi HOA's, knowing full well the ridiculous rules they have, and then suddenly decide they don't like their rules. Idiots.

The problem is that the number of neighborhoods without HOAs is continually shrinking, and neighborhoods without HOAs are often older and poorer. I hate that for many people the choice is "live in an HOA neighborhood with potentially onerous rules or jerkass boards" or "live in the middle of nowhere or an unsafe area"...

It's almost like us jerk asses white people are keeping out the riffraff minorities :)

But just speculating.


I'll ask the black chick and the Lebanese couple in the next building what they think of your theory.
 
2012-12-13 09:09:43 PM

mbillips: HOAs do not improve nor protect property values. They're just a marketing tool for real estate developers. When you factor in the association fees, you get less house for your money, a bunch of stupid rules, and no financial benefit when you resell.

Now, if you're the kind of by-the-rules personality who doesn't like your food to mingle, prefers Euro Disney to Europe, and gets anxious if your neighbor's grass goes uncut for more than a week, then probably HOAs are for you. For the rest of us, not so much.


Really? I suck at math, and I can see the huge methodology problems in your link. It's possible that HOAs don't help value, but that link ain't proof.
 
2012-12-14 10:45:03 AM

PunGent: mbillips: HOAs do not improve nor protect property values. They're just a marketing tool for real estate developers. When you factor in the association fees, you get less house for your money, a bunch of stupid rules, and no financial benefit when you resell.

Now, if you're the kind of by-the-rules personality who doesn't like your food to mingle, prefers Euro Disney to Europe, and gets anxious if your neighbor's grass goes uncut for more than a week, then probably HOAs are for you. For the rest of us, not so much.

Really? I suck at math, and I can see the huge methodology problems in your link. It's possible that HOAs don't help value, but that link ain't proof.


That data is so old and localized it's useless.
 
2012-12-14 11:06:34 AM

Girion47: PunGent: mbillips: HOAs do not improve nor protect property values. They're just a marketing tool for real estate developers. When you factor in the association fees, you get less house for your money, a bunch of stupid rules, and no financial benefit when you resell.

Now, if you're the kind of by-the-rules personality who doesn't like your food to mingle, prefers Euro Disney to Europe, and gets anxious if your neighbor's grass goes uncut for more than a week, then probably HOAs are for you. For the rest of us, not so much.

Really? I suck at math, and I can see the huge methodology problems in your link. It's possible that HOAs don't help value, but that link ain't proof.

That data is so old and localized it's useless.


Ya. I don't doubt there are HOAs that suck, but mine doesn't. Our property values weathered the crash better than average, and we benefit from economies of scale when it comes to repairs.

Re-painting costs are below average, so far, and our re-roofing expenses over the years is WAY below average for this area.

So, our fees aren't being "wasted". Plus, I like waking up at midnight, there's a snowstorm, and someone ELSE is shovelling out the driveway.
 
2012-12-14 01:05:05 PM

PunGent: Girion47: PunGent: mbillips: HOAs do not improve nor protect property values. They're just a marketing tool for real estate developers. When you factor in the association fees, you get less house for your money, a bunch of stupid rules, and no financial benefit when you resell.

Now, if you're the kind of by-the-rules personality who doesn't like your food to mingle, prefers Euro Disney to Europe, and gets anxious if your neighbor's grass goes uncut for more than a week, then probably HOAs are for you. For the rest of us, not so much.

Really? I suck at math, and I can see the huge methodology problems in your link. It's possible that HOAs don't help value, but that link ain't proof.

That data is so old and localized it's useless.

Ya. I don't doubt there are HOAs that suck, but mine doesn't. Our property values weathered the crash better than average, and we benefit from economies of scale when it comes to repairs.

Re-painting costs are below average, so far, and our re-roofing expenses over the years is WAY below average for this area.

So, our fees aren't being "wasted". Plus, I like waking up at midnight, there's a snowstorm, and someone ELSE is shovelling out the driveway.


I had 2 HOAs. One for my cluster of townhouses that was run by Armstrong Management, the other was for the community and was run by the Burke Centre Conservancy.

Armstrong was good in that they shoveled the courtyards and plowed the parking lots, they sucked in that their towing company would tow your car after rocking it to knock the parking tag into the floorboard.

Burke Centre sucked ass all around. They'd go around and take pics of your place and then try and fine you for what they felt was a violation of the architectual review board's standards.

Such as:

I had an end unit with a north facing wall, not visible to any other houses, and never receiving sunlight due to tree placement and the angle of the sun. They wanted to fine me for having algae growth on the brick foundation next to the ground which was also water drainage from the courtyard uphill of it.

My vinyl(read: the same color throughout) shutters needed to be repainted, even though they had never been painted in the first place. When I explained this to them, they then said they were too oxidized and needed to be replaced even though they were a uniform color and I was one of the few houses that actually had shutters in the first place, a lot of the models like mine didn't even have any.


Meanwhile I had neighbors with storm doors that wouldn't close all the way, people that used an old water heater as an umbrella stand, a family that redid their kitchen and left their cabinets sitting in the courtyard, my next door neighbor had a broken window(an actual hole in the glass, fist sized) that was never fixed, a house that had strips of shingles hanging off the front, and another one with a front door where the paint had peeled down to the bare metal.

None of those people were ever harassed by the HOA.

Also all of the HOA meetings were held during the day, so those of us with jobs in DC had absolutely no chance to ever come and defend ourselves or vote on new architectual rules, or even run for the board.

fark HOAs.


My new house is twice the size, stand alone, 80% of the price of that townhouse, built in 92, and has no HOA but I have neighbors that are absolutely fantastic about maintaining their lawns and houses. It also doesn't take me 45 minutes to an hour to get downtown here either. And I'm just one stoplight away from being on Louisville's version of 495.
 
2012-12-14 01:08:20 PM
I forgot to mention, I took care of all the stuff they were so anal about. Then when I went to sell my house, they tried to stop the deal by saying the exact same stuff needed to be fixed....again. Luckily my buyer didn't give a shiat and took on the responsbility himself.

/House was under contract in 6 days, I actually paid the guy 2 weeks worth of rent he wanted it to go through so quickly.
//Awesome realtor + gay stager=win.
 
2012-12-15 02:45:10 PM
nobody got the parallel.....
 
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