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(Gizmodo)   NORAD says Best Korea's new satellite is spinning out of control. Mariana Trench put on alert   (gizmodo.com) divider line 53
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2012-12-12 08:32:54 PM
4 votes:
Time to get the Planetes crew up and running...
2012-12-12 08:32:13 PM
4 votes:
A link from a real news page versus bitter no talent children
2012-12-12 05:46:51 PM
4 votes:
Best GIF of 2012... right there.
2012-12-13 12:06:18 PM
2 votes:

studebaker hoch Smartest Funniest
2012-12-13 09:23:30 AM

sharetv.org

Honestly...... I'd laugh.

One World Trade Center has come a long way.

Once they finish rehabbing the upper floors and get all the glass replaced, you won't even be able to tell that 9/11 happened.

Sadly, not true
commonsensealternatives.com

A couple of stupid buildings were the smallest bit of damage done. 
The things that mattter are unrecoverable.
2012-12-12 09:18:56 PM
2 votes:
I hope it slams into something Chinese up there, maybe they'll think twice about protecting him from security council sanction after that.
2012-12-12 09:12:38 PM
2 votes:
Yesterday, NASA published a composite photo of the world at night. At least I hope it was a composite. If not they have connections that I don't even want to think about. But I digress.

The photo showed nighttime lights throughout the world. A comparison can be drawn by the density of nighttime lights and industrialization/civilization. North Korea, especially in comparison with South Korea, is black. No lights, no electricity, no modern infrastructure. Except for a small spot at their capitol. How do they successfully build and launch a 3 stage missile? Not saying that its BS, but just hard to believe. They are at a starting iron age civilization.
2012-12-12 08:46:05 PM
2 votes:

crazytrain: In unrelated news, the US Air Force just launched another X-37B test vehicle.


Grab it.

*)
2012-12-12 08:41:24 PM
2 votes:
2012-12-13 01:21:01 AM
1 votes:

dsider: perigee down again to 500.41k


When it gets to 490 ... SELL!
2012-12-13 12:43:56 AM
1 votes:
Hobodeluxe: So what are the chances the X-37B is using that thing for target practice?



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I wonder if we briefed China, if we did it. NK sending a ballistic missile up certainly warranted us doing something. Odds are that the thing failed on the factory floor, it being Best Korea and all. I still don't doubt for a second that the X-37B going up the day before was no coincidence. And the X-37B launch was well publicized, kind of like we were saying, "Don't do it." And, of course they did. I wonder if we're going to capture it.

Might be "interesting" to see just how much Chinese tech is in it.
2012-12-13 12:43:29 AM
1 votes:

Mega Steve: TommyDeuce: ItchyMcDoogle: exPFCWintergreen: ItchyMcDoogle: So do we know if its carrying anything like nukes?

Im hoping its filled with candy

It's the corpse of the old Dear Leader adorned with a sticky note with "문제를 수정!" written with a pink glitter gel pen.

I am a little shocked that it would not surprise me. Putting him in a rocket so the world can look up at our dear departed leader to join the stars is just the batshieat crazy thing they would pull or shooting im out into space with a " FIX ME!" sign stapled on him. Ala Venture Brothers

You know, if they cremated him, that would actually work . . .

Aw shiat, he's up there, isn't he?

Isn't it comforting knowing that the former Glorious Leader of Best Korea is smiling down from above?


I'm cackling with glee at the thought of the erratic orbit of Kim's corpse being a constant menace needing to be tracked in all of the satellite calculations done by aerospace engineers for decades to come. You can't beat that kind of legacy.

/"Houston to ISS, decrease altitude to 330 km, looks like Kim is dropping by for a visit again"
2012-12-13 12:42:01 AM
1 votes:
perigee down again to 500.41k
2012-12-13 12:08:28 AM
1 votes:

Linkster: Gyrfalcon: Canton: WhyteRaven74: AverageAmericanGuy: Could a giant blob of goo be launched into debris filled areas and then return to burn up in the atmosphere safely?

Well as long as the goo didn't also take actual satellites with it...

Still not a bad concept. Not all the debris up there is magnetic, though I assume some of it is. On the other hand, the goo would have to be controlled somehow, which could be problematic.

Magnets, goo, and rocket fuel, working together for the common good?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x478]

Maybe not. Unless Steven McQueen and his gang of teenagers are down at the drive-in.

Steven?

/wags finger
//son I am Disappoint
///3xslashy


Not as dissappoint as I am.

upload.wikimedia.org

Observe and learn, young grasshopper, and appreciate bad old horror movies.
2012-12-13 12:00:18 AM
1 votes:
t0.gstatic.com
Gee, that's really great guys. I'm really impressed, oh, wait, no I'm not.
Welcome to 1952.

And, how are those starving masses anyway? That sure takes me back.
To 1945.
2012-12-12 11:28:34 PM
1 votes:

Gosling: No, what I meant is, we're getting somewhat near the apogee then. The perigee came in some 4.8 km below the stated number of 505.6. How much could you stray from 505.6?


Unless you're actually at NORAD or one of these places, it's highly unlikely that the tracker program you're watching is measuring the actual real-time altitude of the satellite. It's just running calculations to predict the current state based on a set of parameters like the ones I posted earlier from Heavens Above. That 4.8 km error is probably just sloppy math. 

The "tumbling out of control" part also doesn't have much to do with the orbit. If the satellite isn't actively thrusting then its center of mass is in that orbit regardless of which way it's pointing. The orientation only comes into it when you're considering effects like atmospheric drag or solar radiation pressure, which are rather small effects for something that high.

The average orbital altitude (apogee + perigee, divided by 2) of the North Korean satellite is 543 km. That's well above the ISS (410 km) and a bit below the Hubble telescope (557 km). It's not coming down any time soon unless it gets a friendly nudge from something else up there.
2012-12-12 11:27:01 PM
1 votes:

dukeblue219: I'm not an expert in orbital mechanics, but my understanding was that once something reaches an orbit with a sufficiently-high minimum altitude it's going to stay there for a while regardless of its attitude. Sure, atmospheric drag will *slowly* decay the orbit, but the fact that it's spinning out of control really doesn't have any significant bearing on it just falling out of the sky tonight or tomorrow. Given the sufficiently-high orbit it's in, at least compared to other LEO objects, wouldn't it take a large delta-v (a one-in-a-million impact with another satellite, say) to drop it out of orbit and cause reentry? Otherwise it's just a useless, tumbling box of electronics for a few years or decades.


yes u are correct.
2012-12-12 11:26:16 PM
1 votes:

exPFCWintergreen: ItchyMcDoogle: So do we know if its carrying anything like nukes?

Im hoping its filled with candy

It's the corpse of the old Dear Leader adorned with a sticky note with "문제를 수정!" written with a pink glitter gel pen.


I am a little shocked that it would not surprise me. Putting him in a rocket so the world can look up at our dear departed leader to join the stars is just the batshieat crazy thing they would pull or shooting im out into space with a " FIX ME!" sign stapled on him. Ala Venture Brothers
2012-12-12 11:06:31 PM
1 votes:
500.65 this time

/ruh-roh
2012-12-12 10:35:30 PM
1 votes:
It's not spinning out of control, Great Leader merely put a little Engrish on it when he lofted it into orbit.
2012-12-12 10:26:55 PM
1 votes:

Canton: WhyteRaven74: AverageAmericanGuy: Could a giant blob of goo be launched into debris filled areas and then return to burn up in the atmosphere safely?

Well as long as the goo didn't also take actual satellites with it...

Still not a bad concept. Not all the debris up there is magnetic, though I assume some of it is. On the other hand, the goo would have to be controlled somehow, which could be problematic.

Magnets, goo, and rocket fuel, working together for the common good?


Or we could just 'bump' it with something, knock it into a controlled fall, and let it hit water\burn in the atmosphere.

/...I like your guys' stuff better, but still...
2012-12-12 10:24:02 PM
1 votes:
Jesus, knowing NK, there is some doomed soul trying to drive this thing and running out of air right now.
2012-12-12 10:11:29 PM
1 votes:

Gosling: Apogee passes the expected number. 588.3 the expected apogee. Actual... is 591.75. 3.45 over expected.


Not much to worry about there. Now if those numbers keep going further and further off from expected? We'll have Fark's first ever satellite falling out of space thread. And I may actually start crunching numbers.
2012-12-12 10:09:56 PM
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: It is a danger to humanity.


Given it has no thermal shielding, it's not much of a danger to humanity, it'll burn up and go to pieces when/if it hits the atmosphere.
2012-12-12 10:07:52 PM
1 votes:

Gosling: How much could you stray from 505.6?


Without actually crunching the numbers, could be off by a little bit, say 10 to 12 kilometers and be ok. Keep in mind the exact numbers depend on the particulars of this satellite's orbit. The real worry is if the perigee and apogee start getting further and further apart. That means the orbit has destabilized. But even a stable orbit will have some level of variation in it, how much is acceptable depends on a few factors.

SlothB77: 3) nuclear bomb falling anywhere


Given it would be a uranium device? Meh. Simply crashing a nuclear device into something won't set it off. Would need a proximity type device to set it off to do anything. And just having a bomb fall without actually going off would do much. Oh a few kilograms of uranium scattered over hundreds or thousands of square miles? Not really an issue. Uranium by itself, assuming it hasn't been used as nuclear fuel, isn't much of a worry.
2012-12-12 10:07:20 PM
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: It's spinning out of control. It is a danger to humanity.
We should shoot it out of space.
Win, Win, Win.

Win 1. We get to test our missile defense system.
Win 2. We save humanity
Win 3. We show Best Korea that our dick is bigger.


Yeah, but we don't really want to blow it up. The key is to avoid debris. So... is there a way to send a giant magnet up there after it, to gently drag it into a stable orbit?

/Hey, if they can send rovers to Mars...
2012-12-12 10:02:29 PM
1 votes:
It's spinning out of control. It is a danger to humanity.
We should shoot it out of space.
Win, Win, Win.

Win 1. We get to test our missile defense system.
Win 2. We save humanity
Win 3. We show Best Korea that our dick is bigger.
2012-12-12 09:57:21 PM
1 votes:

BATMANATEE: Yay! 'cause it's it's going to come close to me and loved ones again if it doesn't hit something else in orbit first.


Well if you're worried about it hitting you, then keep track of where it is when it's between half and a third of the world away from you. If starts plummeting while over head? Not going to be a problem for you.
2012-12-12 09:56:18 PM
1 votes:

SN1987a goes boom: BravadoGT: North Koreans build dirty bomb, make it resemble a satellite. Launch it into orbit, where it "spins out of control" until it finally comes down in a fine mist over some US suburban area.

PROFIT.

Best thing: the world knows they suck at this stuff. So have plausible deniability.

Except there is no reason whatsoever that an orbital satellite would need the required nuclear materials to make a dirty bomb. Sure, you can make a case for a nuclear power core for long range exploration vehicles, like the Mars rovers, but not for a weather satellite. If that scenario actually happened, they'd be dust by day's end.


Why not? They're CRAZY. Sure, there's no practical reason for the satellite to have a nuclear core, but there's no practical reason for much of the things they do. Their leadership is mentally ill.
2012-12-12 09:22:15 PM
1 votes:

JonnyG: Apparently, it's traveling at just over 17,000 mph. I wonder if this is normal for satellites?


Yep, usual speed for something in low earth orbit is between 17,000 and 18,000 mph. And as for catching it while it flew over head, well it's too small but if you're away from manmade light, like out in the country, and it's the right time of night and all, you can easily see the ISS go over head.
2012-12-12 09:20:51 PM
1 votes:

smells_like_meat: The photo showed nighttime lights throughout the world. A comparison can be drawn by the density of nighttime lights and industrialization/civilization. North Korea, especially in comparison with South Korea, is black. No lights, no electricity, no modern infrastructure. Except for a small spot at their capitol. How do they successfully build and launch a 3 stage missile? Not saying that its BS, but just hard to believe. They are at a starting iron age civilization.


They have the technology to wire up North Korea. They just don't have the funds or the inclination.

North Korea isn't some country that is just inconvenienced by poverty. It is a country ruled by a select few who like keeping the lights off everywhere but in their houses. They saw what happened in China and Russia when you okayed reforms to allow people an easier life with more of a voice. They prefer to be more wildly powerful than anyone.

Think about it. If you were an asshole and you ran your own country where you could literally make anyone do anything you wanted them to do... would you care if they had lights at night? Hell no.

The NK leadership is happy with their early 20th century lifestyle ergo NK is happy with it.
2012-12-12 09:17:43 PM
1 votes:
smells_like_meat, it's because instead of spending money on infrastructure, they're spending it on things like this. And the military. And a posh lifestyle for dear leader and the generals. Making sure your people have decent infrastructure and a livable civilization is just frivolous spending to them.
2012-12-12 09:15:55 PM
1 votes:

oldcrow95: anyone notice the altitude on the tracker is dropping


That's just because it's in an elliptical orbit. Once it passes perigee the number will go up again.

JonnyG: Apparently, it's traveling at just over 17,000 mph. I wonder if this is normal for satellites?


Yes it is.
2012-12-12 09:11:32 PM
1 votes:

Thosw: ItchyMcDoogle: [www.millionaireplayboy.com image 400x250]

Lex Luthor Unavailable for comment

//Will stay in Otisburg

I would gladly have spent some time in Teschmacher Peaks.


Ive seen the movie a million times and thats the first time I caught that. Valerie Perrine was the hawt back int he 70's

t2.gstatic.com
2012-12-12 09:06:24 PM
1 votes:
www.localphilosophy.com
2012-12-12 08:57:50 PM
1 votes:

ItchyMcDoogle: [www.millionaireplayboy.com image 400x250]

Lex Luthor Unavailable for comment

//Will stay in Otisburg


I would gladly have spent some time in Teschmacher Peaks.
2012-12-12 08:48:36 PM
1 votes:
Wouldn't it be hilarious if it fell right back on top of them?
2012-12-12 08:48:01 PM
1 votes:
+2 Kudos for the hilarious header graphic.
-257 Kudos for using a 2,080kb 300 frame .gif. This is 2012.
2012-12-12 08:44:32 PM
1 votes:
In unrelated news, the US Air Force just launched another X-37B test vehicle.
2012-12-12 08:43:37 PM
1 votes:
www.millionaireplayboy.com

Lex Luthor Unavailable for comment

//Will stay in Otisburg
2012-12-12 08:42:23 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: A link from a real news page versus bitter no talent children


They need a better gif generator
2012-12-12 08:38:17 PM
1 votes:
How 'bout this: in a gesture of goodwill, the ISS (is it still functional? not a newsie) retrieves, relaunches in a stable attitude so Best K has weather monitoring capability.

/After a little tweaking, of course.
2012-12-12 08:37:48 PM
1 votes:
It's a big boy!
2012-12-12 08:37:15 PM
1 votes:
Can't somebody just capture the thing with a net and send it back crashing down to Best Korea? Blowing it up in space wouldn't be a good idea because the fragments might hit friendly space things.
2012-12-12 08:36:26 PM
1 votes:
They must be using Apple maps.
2012-12-12 08:35:04 PM
1 votes:

Indubitably: P.S. Quit launching over Japan, or face the destruction of every item you float ever. Word.


The Japanese can't even detect the launch. They rely on the American forces in the area to notify the Japanese that something is going on.

The missile took 10 minutes to fly from Best Korea to the Philippines. If they wanted to, the North Koreans could hit Tokyo before anyone had time to react.
2012-12-12 08:34:42 PM
1 votes:
I guess the new Red Dawn isn't so silly now after all, is it?
2012-12-12 08:34:41 PM
1 votes:
North Korea had better hope to hell that that ISN'T a nuclear warhead, and if so, that it doesn't hit something and go blooey. If it even so much as falls in a random spot in the Mauritanian desert, if it detonates, Kim's ass will be joining it in Mauritania for all the Western missiles blowing it there.
2012-12-12 08:33:56 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: A link from a real news page versus bitter no talent children

To diss

2012-12-12 08:33:18 PM
1 votes:
I submitted it because of the gif lol
2012-12-12 08:29:05 PM
1 votes:
P.S. Quit launching over Japan, or face the destruction of every item you float ever. Word.
2012-12-12 06:12:25 PM
1 votes:

luniz5monody: Came here to say what he said. Best Gif 2012.


I'm tempted to agree, but there could have been a bit more spinning to really put it over the top.
2012-12-12 06:09:59 PM
1 votes:
THEY MEANT TO DO THAT!
2012-12-12 06:04:11 PM
1 votes:
Came here to say what he said. Best Gif 2012.
 
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