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2012-12-12 04:35:55 PM  
3 votes:
haywardabbey.files.wordpress.com

I don't usually go for Belgians, but this stuff is fantastic.

/Some Farkers recommended it in a beer snob thread a while back. Kudos to YOU, sirs. 
//Around 10% and $20ish for a four-pack, so it's a once-in-a-while beer.
2012-12-12 07:09:03 PM  
2 votes:
Shelton was asking retailers to sell this for $84.99. They were charging those same retailers $82.50. When you add in the transaction fees, which average around 3%, you end up breaking even. That is, *IF* you don't accidentally break one, have someone charge it back on their credit card, or steal one. Let alone labor costs. And the opportunity cost of selling something with no margin vs. anything with a margin.

They claim they are doing this as a charity for the Abbey. I have a hard time believing Shelton Bros didn't make any money off this. I think they got theirs and want retailers to pick up the slack.

They might argue it brings people into the store who might buy other stuff. I don't know about you, but if I spent $85 plus tax on a beer, I probably wouldn't have much left over for anything else.

Great beer, though.
2012-12-12 05:44:27 PM  
2 votes:

drxym: I don't know why Trappist ales are supposed to be special. I've drunk enough of them on trips to Belgium and really most of them taste pretty vile with a high alcoholic content and a taste like malt concentrate mixed with treacle. Belgium has far nicer beers such as lambic beers which are like champagne and much more palatable. Gueuze in particular is very good.


well, first off, you gotta understand that the world does not revolve around you. that slap in the face was not meant to be insulting..

realize that many, MANY people will not have the chance to travel and sample as you have. to them these are mythical, rare things that are niegh unobtainable to them.

The special comes from their specialness. the unobtainable. the mythos and rarity of it all. The stuff doesn't need to be great, it just needs to be rare and have a nice marketing push behind it emphasizing the point.
2012-12-12 05:21:18 PM  
2 votes:

ultraholland: well I sure am glad they decided not to release it in VA or DC...


Rumor I heard was that Sint Sixtus refused to allot any to the VA/DC Sheldon Bros. franchise because in the past they (the distributor) have imported Westy off the secondary market to sell in Total Wine stores. (The official reason is that Sheldon didn't apply for label approval.)
2012-12-12 05:05:23 PM  
2 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Belgian beer is generally pretentious and gross


This isn't just any old Belgian beer. It is handcrafted by Trappist monks from an ancient recipe. If you'd ever been to a Trappist monastery, you'd know that everything they do is superlative. I'm not much of a beer drinker, but I'd pay $14 to try this.
2012-12-12 04:44:05 PM  
2 votes:
Finally, a chance to taste all Trappist beers in one sitting! Got me some Chimay, Orval, Rochefort, Westmalle, Achel, La Trappe (Hi, Admiral!!), and finally the Westvleteren XII. That's all -- wait, who the fark is Stift Engelszell? Abbey Maria who?!

Confound these Trappists, they drive me to drink!

Despite an all-around crazy situation (an abbey that tooks its vows of poverty so seriously they never went commercial until the roof was quite literally about to fall in, a continent full of beer nerds half a world away who know that this is a one-time event, weird stories about one distributor backing out -- there's a sticker beneath the "Shelton Brothers" sticker on some of the 6-packs, check yours closely!), the beer has, over the past few months, been made available in many markets in Canada and the United States at a consistent retail price, which is consistent with the monks' desire to make the beer as equitably available to anyone as possible in the face of high demand, and the monks' express desire to limit reselling of the beer in secondary markets. Even at $82.50 for a 6-pack, it's a lot cheaper than return air fare to and from fripping Belgium.

If you were able to acquire some Westvleteren 12 today, share some with your friends. Line up as many of the Trappist ales as you can and hold a group tasting. (If you can't get 'em all, try it alongside Rochefort 10, or St. Bernardus Abt. 12. Technically, St. Bernardus isn't Trappist beer, but it's very close in style.) Swap a bottle for something in a friend's collection that you want to try. It will improve with age; even if you feel you have nobody to share it with, have a bottle every six months, or even one per year.

However you enjoy it, be thankful to those who brewed it, and that you got to be a part, however small, of their story.
2012-12-12 04:34:57 PM  
2 votes:
beeradvocate.com
Not sure if this is nationally available, but this came out recently and is my favorite of all the barrel-aged offerings lately.
2012-12-12 04:30:47 PM  
2 votes:
I have eleven bottles of Westvleteren 12 in my basement so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...
2012-12-12 04:23:37 PM  
2 votes:
Screw you subby.

Our beer store sold out of that at 8AM this morning. Couldn't have submitted it last night?
2012-12-12 04:13:49 PM  
2 votes:
Belgian beer is generally pretentious and gross
2012-12-13 11:48:53 AM  
1 votes:

angrycrank: I got some this morning at an LCBO in North Toronto. Got there at 7 and was about 20th in line. I think they had about 35 boxes.

Now I need a plan for drinking it.


Incidentally, the LCBO release has been a bit of a clusterfark, with different stores putting out their stock on different days, conflicting information about when it's going to be available where, no transparency about how many bricks each store has, phones at the stores ringing off the hook, and people showing up before dawn to wait only to find out their outlet hasn't gotten it in yet. I called the closest store to me yesterday night and was told they didn't have it yet only to find out today that they actually did and sold it this morning. I'm just lucky that the rude as hell employee I talked to last night at Bayview Village actually gave me correct information in spite of her surliness. But there are some stores that haven't sold it yet, so Ontario farkers willing to phone around, deal with employees who by now never want to hear the word "beer" again, and line up in the cold and dark outside stores which may or may not have stock may still be able to get some over the next few days.
2012-12-13 08:21:49 AM  
1 votes:

robertus: /Some Farkers recommended it in a beer snob thread a while back. Kudos to YOU, sirs. 
//Around 10% and $20ish for a four-pack, so it's a once-in-a-while beer.


I am so late for this thread. If you like that one, give "La Trappe" a try. Or, if you are around the area of Massachusetts, look for a beer called "Baby Tree" by Pretty Things. Both are Quads, though the LaTrappe is one of the authentic Trappist products.
2012-12-12 10:21:39 PM  
1 votes:
farm4.static.flickr.com
2012-12-12 09:13:06 PM  
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-12 09:08:24 PM  
1 votes:
In case you didn't know, the longer you let this beer sit, the better it tastes.
2012-12-12 09:00:20 PM  
1 votes:
I got to the local mega-liquor store after work. I talked to a couple of the employees. Apparently the line formed this morning before 6 AM. There were 150 people waiting when the store opened. The store opens at 8 AM, they said they were sold out by 10 AM. Wow.

I wasn't expecting nirvana with this beer. Can't even say that I'm a huge trappist beer fan, as they're typically a bit too bitter for my taste. On the other hand, for as long as there have been beer rating web sites, this beer has been at the top. I'm really interested to see what it's all about.
2012-12-12 08:12:20 PM  
1 votes:
I have about 40 westvleteren 12's sitting in my cellar, planning on busting them out on my wedding day or batchelor party. I brought them back from Belgium, the abbey has this little bar attached to it you can get the stuff any time but only in 6packs or by the glass. This stuff is truly a great beer, the monks make you promise not to resell it when you get it from them!
2012-12-12 08:07:03 PM  
1 votes:

jayhawk88: Because if there's one thing religious organizations are known for, it's turning down money. This stuff will be the official beer of the Super Bowl within 5 years.


I highly doubt it.

These monks have stuck to this tradition since the 1940's. The only reason they did this today is because they need a new roof for their Abbey.
2012-12-12 07:56:03 PM  
1 votes:
My local distributor stockpiled this stuff so I'm still good for a few more months.

ifihadtopickfive.files.wordpress.com
2012-12-12 07:46:38 PM  
1 votes:

StrikitRich: Think I'd rather put the money toward a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle Rye.


Funny, I spent the week before last hanging with Julian Van Winkle. You're SOL. We're all SOL. There is no more. All those old Pappys have been sold to private collectors, liquor stores, and restaurants. No one is getting a re up. The high ups in the company keep their private stash, but that's it. If you see it, buy it. Old Rip Van Winkle 10 Year comes out in '14, and the rest of the vintages will follow as time goes on, but that's the best we can do. I'd recommend Jefferson Reserve 18 Year in the meantime. Damned fine whiskey.
2012-12-12 05:52:07 PM  
1 votes:
Moeder Lambic in Brussels is my place of worship.

God love those Belgians. Only care about making good beer, chocolate and fries...what a life ;)
2012-12-12 05:39:48 PM  
1 votes:

Maud Dib: Treygreen13: Yay beer snobbery thread!
[www.monarch-beverage.com image 130x492]
This little guy is out right now. I love him.

You went "beer snob" with Shiner?

you'redoingitwrong.jpeg

Much better..

[www.saintarnold.com image 300x670]


Even better (same city).
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2012-12-12 05:22:40 PM  
1 votes:

jayhawk88: "I think it will be the last [time]," Westvleteren Brewery spokesman Mark Bode told NPR. "They say, 'We are monks, we don't want to be too commercial. We needed some money to help us buy the new abbey and that's it,' Back to normal again."

Because if there's one thing religious organizations are known for, it's turning down money. This stuff will be the official beer of the Super Bowl within 5 years.


Not a chance. They're not stupid - by feeding the "Best Beer EVEARRRRRRRR!!!" thing (not IMHO, but it's subjective) and making a very small amount and charging outrageously for it (which, with the fact that they're monks, also bumps the ratings and mystique up a bit), they get the maximum return on their investment of monk-hours. Seriously, when I was in the Trappistine monastery, they were talking about sending me to Westvleteren to learn to brew Trappist Ale and starting the same pattern here in the U. S. They know precisely what they're doing, and they know this only works once every hundred years or so. They're manipulating the beer snobs and the "more money than brain" crowd.
2012-12-12 05:21:06 PM  
1 votes:

DeathByGeekSquad: If the people who camped out to buy the damn thing spent more time forming relationships with the employees at the store, they wouldn't need to camp.


THIS.

I can confirm that it was available (in very limited quanitites, maybe one case per shop) at bottle shops other than those listed on the blog page. If your local retailer is a beer geek and you're one of his regulars, you just might get lucky.
2012-12-12 05:15:48 PM  
1 votes:

NASAM: Never heard of seen the Duchesse. Just read the reviews on BA. Holy cow, Want!


Duchess is the one beer I've ever poured down the drain. I like sours and wild ales but not Duchess.

Vangor: Agree on the Anaheim peppers especially being a wrong choice to try out. Have had peppers, but found the smokiness of Chipotle (which I usually don't prefer) or the basic pepper taste of Anchos works, but not Anaheim. Drank through, but wouldn't have again.


I've had Chipotle Double Bastard and really dug it. I've had a few sips of 11.11.11 and Stone really put out a strange brew there, pretty atypical for them. Churchkey in DC today is doing an epic Vertical Epic vertical today - 03.03.03 - 12.12.12 plus a couple barrel-aged versions. Been too busy to hit them up, though.
2012-12-12 05:00:51 PM  
1 votes:

VoodooTaco: PunGent: Sounds tasty.

3x these after eating a salad at the Dogfish Head Ale House and I became "that guy" at the bar for the first time in my life. Had to take a cab home, missus refused to talk to me/drive me home.  CSB and a cautionary tale to boot.

//beer snobbery off


Poor feller... the wife and I have an agreement that my expensive beer (and the effects thereafter) are off limits for drama. biatch still doesn't like my dog though.
2012-12-12 04:48:42 PM  
1 votes:
If the people who camped out to buy the damn thing spent more time forming relationships with the employees at the store, they wouldn't need to camp.

/just reserved
//from the secret stash
2012-12-12 04:47:30 PM  
1 votes:

kim jong-un: VoodooTaco: PunGent: Sounds tasty.

....

I love the 120 minute and Theobroma from Dogfish Head. Midas Touch as well.


Definitely agree on the 120, the Theo was decent, but I prefer the Sah'Tea and the Tahenket myself. Interesting flavors. Girlfriend loves the Midas and the Raison D'tre. I moved out of DC last summer, to find that they stopped distributing DFH to Rhode Island (home), very disturbing. We used to hit the DFH Alehouse at least once every other week. 90Minute IPA was always the best bang for the buck.

Their Positive Contact (limited brew I think) was phenomenal too. Give that a shot if you can find it.
2012-12-12 04:44:42 PM  
1 votes:

Kraftwerk Orange: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Belgian beer is generally pretentious and gross

Good. Stay away from it.

More for me.


This. Belgian FTW.
2012-12-12 04:44:31 PM  
1 votes:

robertus: [haywardabbey.files.wordpress.com image 536x455]

I don't usually go for Belgians, but this stuff is fantastic.

/Some Farkers recommended it in a beer snob thread a while back. Kudos to YOU, sirs. 
//Around 10% and $20ish for a four-pack, so it's a once-in-a-while beer.


St. Bernie's 12 is really quite good. The recipe is reputedly the same as Westy 12 but their tastes are a fair bit divergent. You should try the other St. Bernardus beers (Pater 6 is kinda meh) and the Rochefort series. (I've talked to a fair number of people who like Rochefort 10 more than Westy 12.) Chimay is also very nice, Blue especially, and wide distributed.
2012-12-12 04:39:58 PM  
1 votes:

Maud Dib: Shiner uses a metric shiat-ton of corn in their beers. Yet they can still call it all "natural".


That darn supernatural corn!
2012-12-12 04:39:28 PM  
1 votes:

ChewbaccaJones: St. Sixtus? I've had their other commercially-available ale with the monk on the label (for $11.99 a bottle).

It was the one James Lileks described as (paraphrasing)

"A beer apparently marketed to the celibate beer drinker...a unique, chewy beer that tasted like it was strained through roofing tar."

kinda curious what that tastes like...but for $84? No thanks.
Not unless that price included a steak and a type of beer that would actually go well with that steak.


It's not that expensive when you get down to it.

I'd invite some friends over, and hold another of my standard: "Hey, I just bought a crapload of weird beers, come and help me drink them" parties.

I miss holding them. Since I've moved to DC, I need help drinking my beer.
2012-12-12 04:38:41 PM  
1 votes:
Sigh.. do Belgians not realize there are parts of New York outside of NYC? :(
2012-12-12 04:38:00 PM  
1 votes:
i48.tinypic.com
2012-12-12 04:37:34 PM  
1 votes:
www.theperfectlyhappyman.com
2012-12-12 04:34:43 PM  
1 votes:
oh for farks sake...
2012-12-12 04:34:21 PM  
1 votes:
Oh and BTW: Fin Du Monde, Fat Tire Abbey and Devastator are all North American brews, for anyone that didnt know about em or hadnt seen em. Fin Du Monde's brewery (Unibrowe) does a really killer job on all of their stuff, too.

Devastator is from (gasp!) Utah.....yes it surprised me, too.
2012-12-12 04:34:08 PM  
1 votes:
My got to *is* Arrogant Bastard,
I even found a local pub that has it on tap, I'm a frequent there now.
2012-12-12 04:33:00 PM  
1 votes:
My go to Arrogant Bastard.
I prefer Oaked Arrogant bastard when it's available. I'll go out of my way to find TFA's beer.
2012-12-12 04:30:22 PM  
1 votes:
There are a number of you who claim to have drank this beer. However when they did the story on NPR this morning there were a number of beer experts who have been waiting for years to get a reservation to even taste it. The claim is they only make 380 barrels of beer per year. Are you sure you didn't buy some other "Trappist" beer? Trappist is a term for all the various monk breweries not this specific one. I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just suggesting that 380 barrels per year is a very small number and the odds of more than one of the people who've drank it being on Fark are well...hmmm.
2012-12-12 04:28:34 PM  
1 votes:
a Toronto LCBO got 105 cases (1,400 for all of Ontario) and sold them all within 4 minutes.

This beer takes MONTHS to get and usually requires a trip to Europe.

They're tearing down the abbey and rebuilding a new one. Selling the beer overseas is helping to raise funds.
2012-12-12 04:26:29 PM  
1 votes:

imashark: *ahem*

[Dark Lord]

would like a word


I like Dark Lord but Dark Lord isn't good enough to shine Westy 12's shoes.

Bought my brick this morning. Have 11 bottles of DL in the cellar.
2012-12-12 04:22:54 PM  
1 votes:
Merry Christmas, everyone! 
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/my holiday tradition
2012-12-12 04:21:05 PM  
1 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Belgian beer is generally pretentious and gross


It's basically sugar water with alcohol and hops.
2012-12-12 04:19:28 PM  
1 votes:
"I think it will be the last [time]," Westvleteren Brewery spokesman Mark Bode told NPR. "They say, 'We are monks, we don't want to be too commercial. We needed some money to help us buy the new abbey and that's it,' Back to normal again."

Because if there's one thing religious organizations are known for, it's turning down money. This stuff will be the official beer of the Super Bowl within 5 years.
2012-12-12 04:15:20 PM  
1 votes:
Yay beer snobbery thread!
www.monarch-beverage.com
This little guy is out right now. I love him.
2012-12-12 04:14:44 PM  
1 votes:
This is like saying blue is the "World's Best Color." But hey, it's good for commerce.
2012-12-12 04:14:36 PM  
1 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Belgian beer is generally pretentious and gross


Good. Stay away from it.

More for me.
2012-12-12 04:12:43 PM  
1 votes:
Natural Light Premium?
 
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