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2012-12-12 08:26:48 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Anyone who does personal stuff on a work computer is asking for trouble, simply because not only can they see that you are checking your email, they can read your email.

Use your smartphone, dammit.


What if the elite get paid-for smartphones while the lite get homemade connections?

What is better ground-sell?

Everyone gets a smartphone free.

Free sell.

Do it.

*)
 
2012-12-12 08:27:00 PM  
So what else am I supposed to do while my code is compiling? Or that one test is running that takes like 3 hours because the database is slow, and I'm blocked until it's finished (because if it works, I definitely don't want to make any changes)? You know, those moments when my computer is extremely productive, and I'm not.

/Had an hourly programming job (with OT even), and I always wondered whether I should charge them for the time that my overnight tests were running. I didn't, but it would have been interesting.
//Had another one with an average build time of 8 hours. Bring in a book, type "make all", and read all day. Real good use of my time.
//"Yep boss, I was just as productive sitting in those comfy chairs in the office waiting for the test to finish as I was sleeping in my bed at home waiting for the test to finish"

KStDrew: Indubitably: To criminalize textual mind/speech. A good idea?

No. Is this America?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x308]


Ok, what episode is that from?
 
2012-12-12 08:28:28 PM  
It does kinda depend on the industry you work in. We have completely unfettered internet access at my job mainly because the sales department (which I'm not a part of) is openly encouraged to look anywhere and everywhere for leads.

That said, of course there's plenty of retards who befriend damn near the entire company on Facebook, and then post an update along the lines of "lol I surfed Craigslist for a couch instead of working today", and will inevitably be surprised they might get a talking to about it.
 
2012-12-12 08:33:37 PM  
I lIterally fark at work ALL DAY.

they have a web blocker that won't allow you tube, facebook, or any gaming or streaming media sites.
Fark works for some reason.

It's my only option!
 
2012-12-12 08:35:00 PM  

doczoidberg: I lIterally fark at work ALL DAY.

they have a web blocker that won't allow you tube, facebook, or any gaming or streaming media sites.
Fark works for some reason.

It's my only option!


Like I said...
 
2012-12-12 08:39:23 PM  
Fark makes me happy, and thus more likely to get along with my team at work. It's for the company.
 
2012-12-12 08:40:27 PM  

wildcardjack: If your hours are billable to a DoD project it already is.


What else am I going to do? There are billable hours to burn.
 
2012-12-12 08:47:43 PM  

storm16: You know, you really can't expect workers to be completely focused for 8 hours a day. You need a mental break. I work in the IT field, and you have to give your employees some "mental floss" time. Otherwise, they would burn out much more quickly. After all, don't doctors say you should take a few mintes break every hour?

It's like, for example, suing an employee who does physical labor for stopping to stretch his back or work out a cramp or whatever. That said, I don't condone people who slack off the entire day. I remember when I was a contractor for a government agency, they were hell on contractors. But there was a government employee in the cube across from me who daily would come in, read his newspaper, go to a 2 hr lunch, then come back and nap until time to go home.

Hopefully, it won't gain much traction, as the first few companies who try it will find that they have trouble hiring and retaining employees.


Exactly. I work in information assurance doing certification and accreditation packages, which means my whole day involves me being glued to my computer screen reviewing/analyzing documents. The brain just can't do that for hours on end. Hell, my supervisor actually encourages us to get our ass out of the chair and take a walk every so often, but I prefer to use that time farking. My only two rules are no social media and no streaming media.

/DoD contractor
 
2012-12-12 08:53:10 PM  

storm16: You know, you really can't expect workers to be completely focused for 8 hours a day. You need a mental break. I work in the IT field, and you have to give your employees some "mental floss" time. Otherwise, they would burn out much more quickly. After all, don't doctors say you should take a few mintes break every hour?

It's like, for example, suing an employee who does physical labor for stopping to stretch his back or work out a cramp or whatever. That said, I don't condone people who slack off the entire day. I remember when I was a contractor for a government agency, they were hell on contractors. But there was a government employee in the cube across from me who daily would come in, read his newspaper, go to a 2 hr lunch, then come back and nap until time to go home.

Hopefully, it won't gain much traction, as the first few companies who try it will find that they have trouble hiring and retaining employees.


Worked for a company that terminated you for surfing and labeled it as stealing or theft of resources.
 
2012-12-12 08:57:57 PM  

Gone to Plaid: storm16: You know, you really can't expect workers to be completely focused for 8 hours a day. You need a mental break. I work in the IT field, and you have to give your employees some "mental floss" time. Otherwise, they would burn out much more quickly. After all, don't doctors say you should take a few mintes break every hour?

It's like, for example, suing an employee who does physical labor for stopping to stretch his back or work out a cramp or whatever. That said, I don't condone people who slack off the entire day. I remember when I was a contractor for a government agency, they were hell on contractors. But there was a government employee in the cube across from me who daily would come in, read his newspaper, go to a 2 hr lunch, then come back and nap until time to go home.

Hopefully, it won't gain much traction, as the first few companies who try it will find that they have trouble hiring and retaining employees.

Exactly. I work in information assurance doing certification and accreditation packages, which means my whole day involves me being glued to my computer screen reviewing/analyzing documents. The brain just can't do that for hours on end. Hell, my supervisor actually encourages us to get our ass out of the chair and take a walk every so often, but I prefer to use that time farking. My only two rules are no social media and no streaming media.

/DoD contractor


//You're overpaid.
 
2012-12-12 08:59:52 PM  
It is a good thing our legislature keeps meeting every god damned day to declare more things illegal. I would hate to think everything was actually covered decades ago, and since then they are just taking bribes and not passing budgets.
 
2012-12-12 09:00:17 PM  

doczoidberg: they have a web blocker that won't allow you tube, facebook, or any gaming or streaming media sites.


Yeah, I'd go ape in that environment. I don't FARK much at work, but I'll have Pandora (or other music sites) streaming all day, and I won't hesitate to stream a sporting event on one of my monitors if I'm especially caught up on my work. 

The fact I get along with the IT guys and kiss ass to mgmt in other ways helps buy a leash for that kind of thing.
 
2012-12-12 09:04:31 PM  
One day everything will be illegal.

And anyone will be able to be arrested for any reason.

Every year we get closer, as every year more and more laws are passed.

It is inevitable.

Authoritarianism is a ravenous beast that cannot be stopped.
 
2012-12-12 09:10:01 PM  
*Ahem*

I said I get paid loads of cash to not do my job and fark around on the internet all day long...life is sweet and I see nothing wrong in my actions.

/waiting...
 
2012-12-12 09:10:08 PM  

DerAppie: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: blatz514: If I couldn't read Fark at work, I would probably go on a murder spree on my co-workers. Those insufferable bastads drive me crazy.

Plus being a state employee, how else am I going to waste my time?

I've often wondered what sort of fresh hell office work was before the Internet was available.

Whisky, cigars and secretaries.

/no expansive harassment laws


damn straight, and those were great times. silks, garters and 12 yr old scotch in the bottom right desk drawer. that's when men were still allowed to be men. this country has gone straight to hell in a hand basket.
 
2012-12-12 09:14:32 PM  

Gone to Plaid: *Ahem*

I said I get paid loads of cash to not do my job and fark around on the internet all day long...life is sweet and I see nothing wrong in my actions.

/waiting...


//To time out
 
2012-12-12 09:15:42 PM  

Goodfella: One day everything will be illegal.

And anyone will be able to be arrested for any reason.

Every year we get closer, as every year more and more laws are passed.

It is inevitable.

Authoritarianism is a ravenous beast that cannot be stopped.

Yes, it can. And we'll stop it; just watch us, the watchers...

*)
 
2012-12-12 09:20:53 PM  
The nurses went apeshiat when they blocked Pinterest. One was frantic about FaceSpace until I told her to try the https way.
 
2012-12-12 09:21:15 PM  

doczoidberg: I lIterally fark at work ALL DAY.

they have a web blocker that won't allow you tube, facebook, or any gaming or streaming media sites.
Fark works for some reason.

It's my only option!


I used to work in the main (local) office of a particular staffing company circa 2007, and they were like that too. They also had the PCs so locked down I couldn't even install Firefox to use instead of IE. Fark became my only escape from the mind-numb. The only thing I could figure was that the IT guys must have been Farkers.
 
2012-12-12 09:27:50 PM  
That was fast. Now that the hypothesis has been tested, I am convinced there is a bot in this thread.
 
2012-12-12 09:33:05 PM  

Gone to Plaid: That was fast. Now that the hypothesis has been tested, I am convinced there is a bot in this thread.


And I'm convinced money makes you delusional...
 
2012-12-12 09:35:15 PM  

ronaprhys: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: blatz514: If I couldn't read Fark at work, I would probably go on a murder spree on my co-workers. Those insufferable bastads drive me crazy.

Plus being a state employee, how else am I going to waste my time?

I've often wondered what sort of fresh hell office work was before the Internet was available.

We found different ways to dick around. That's what employees do.


Lessee....we used to talk on the phone a lot, that was good. And read magazines, especially things like People and Weekly World News. Did crossword puzzles. Older women knitted and younger employees had various kinds of paper fights between cubicles or offices.

If you couldn't waste at least two hours a day, you weren't worth whatever they were underpaying you.
 
2012-12-12 09:37:18 PM  
Go back to school and get an interesting job, for fark's sake. If you like what you do but your job is only occupying 20% of your brain power, work for yourself. Life is way too damn short to be bored 1/3 of the time.
 
2012-12-12 09:45:13 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: blatz514: If I couldn't read Fark at work, I would probably go on a murder spree on my co-workers. Those insufferable bastads drive me crazy.

Plus being a state employee, how else am I going to waste my time?

I've often wondered what sort of fresh hell office work was before the Internet was available.


It was GREAT!

The Internet might be a nice time-waster to have available, but the various "we know what you're doing at all times" and other productivity tracking technologies that came with it are horrible.

Not to mention email. My God, that has ruined everything. I remember showing up to work and actually not having 50 things that needed my attention, and were going to ruin my day in the first three minutes.

Better still, without email, people actually had to call you, and then you could waste time on the phone all day. Best of all, no virtual office/Cisco telepresence nonsense. Lots of lunch meetings (ie. 3 hours and 4 drinks) charged to the company!

And if you were fortunate (like me) to be young, single, and needed out of town a lot, you could pretty much bank your paycheck and have a blast without spending ANY of your own money.

// Sad thing is I'm not 80, I'm 30, and talking about 2001-ish.
 
2012-12-12 09:46:50 PM  
If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide.

/amirite?
 
2012-12-12 09:49:21 PM  

austin_millbarge: If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide.

/amirite?


//Nope.
 
2012-12-12 09:50:59 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I've often wondered what sort of fresh hell office work was before the Internet was available.


In my day we didn't have the internet, we had to amuse ourselves by sending racy faxes over the fax machine, smoking, and messing with the copier. Three martini lunches didn't hurt either. Also no sexual harassment policies and women wore skirts much shorter than today.
 
2012-12-12 09:58:59 PM  

Rozinante: wildcardjack: If your hours are billable to a DoD project it already is.

What else am I going to do? There are billable hours to burn.


Go home? Sleep? Get laid? Head out to the bar?

Take a lesson from attorneys. Billable hours should not in ANY way resemble actual hours. As long as you spend a minute of this hour on something, you can bill the entire hour to that project or client. It's all just a rounding error in the end.
 
2012-12-12 10:09:03 PM  

JadedRaverLA: Rozinante: wildcardjack:

Take a lesson from attorneys. Billable hours should not in ANY way resemble actual hours. As long as you spend a minute of this hour on something, you can bill the entire hour to that project or client. It's all just a rounding error in the end.


This is why I make sure to stay FRIENDS with my friends who pass the bar...
 
2012-12-12 10:10:46 PM  

JadedRaverLA: Rozinante: wildcardjack: If your hours are billable to a DoD project it already is.

What else am I going to do? There are billable hours to burn.

Go home? Sleep? Get laid? Head out to the bar?

Take a lesson from attorneys. Billable hours should not in ANY way resemble actual hours. As long as you spend a minute of this hour on something, you can bill the entire hour to that project or client. It's all just a rounding error in the end.


You have to do it in six-minute increments.
 
2012-12-12 10:15:40 PM  

skinink: Makh: That's what your phone is for. And don't connect to their wireless. I mean if I was to do such a thing, which I do not.

The sad thing is in my office the ATT reception is spotty. But it's still good enough for me to do everything I want on my phone. I'm amazed at how many people use their work computers to shop online send out personal emails, etc. One guy had so many personal emails that when he left the company he asked IT to save his personal emails to a DVD and mail it to him. The IT people were irritated with him because it was gigs of email data they had to get but he wasn't even working for us anymore.

But my job isn't all that bad, when I consider the time I somehow accidentally emailed my boss a two girls one cup link. She had no idea what she was looking at, but she did not fire me. Just gave me a serious talking to.


We have an acceptable use policy. Buying online, reading news sites, personal email though it is good to keep it to a minimum. Personal calls if you have to. All ok.

Not ok - NSFW stuff, making any money. One could argue doing your taxes on it is making money. No lottery results. Stay away from stock sites.

We have a nanny filter. You really have to work at breaking the rules except for stupid shiat like post stuff for sale on eBay and the such. A few NSFW thumbs in a GIS will go unnoticed. A lot of jpgs being dloaded will get you looked at.

Pretty simple and doable really. Save the verbotten stuff for home and not on a home company computer.

And don't email your boss cup links. ;)
 
2012-12-12 10:19:03 PM  
It's even worse for the Navy serfs at the Washington Navy Yard. Recently they completely BANNED personal electronic devices (Cell phones, PDAs, Smart Phones, etc.) at work. Leave them at home, or in your car, or in the lockers they provided for us visiting from other commands. Get caught with one in the office, automatic suspension for three days. Second offense - TERMINATION.

You're completely cut off from the outside world, except for the official office phones and official internet/email connection, which of course is monitored/recorded. And, NAVY DON'T TEXT!

Makes sense for National Security, since you could easily gather and transmit tons of sensitive/classified data over your PED to the outside world. But it sucks to be them. And of course, it WILL suck to be me soon, since this policy will most likely be applied to my command, as soon as they construct the cute little PED lockers.

My guess is the Admiral got pissed walking around the offices and seeing everybody texting their little hearts out in their cubes.

Retirement in 96 days. Can't come soon enough.
 
2012-12-12 10:23:58 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: Lucky LaRue: I wonder if you could argue that, by not blocking (for example) Fark.com, the company is giving implicit permission for its staff to waste an entire day arguing with dumb-asses on the politics tab?

itsatrap.jpg


This.
Done, thread over.

As someone who is directly in charge of network systems, mainly the firewalls which grant Internet access for other employees, yes everything is logged.

These logs definitely will be used against the anyone who uses the Internet, whether they did something wrong and deserve it or not. So if management is just looking for a reason to fire someone, guess what?

Either way I highly suggest not using the Internet at work even if you are "permitted" to do so.


/Trust me on this one
 
2012-12-12 10:25:33 PM  

meyerkev: So what else am I supposed to do while my code is compiling? Or that one test is running that takes like 3 hours because the database is slow, and I'm blocked until it's finished (because if it works, I definitely don't want to make any changes)? You know, those moments when my computer is extremely productive, and I'm not.


What computer today blocks all usage in other apps while a test is running?
 
2012-12-12 10:30:58 PM  

Gyrfalcon: JadedRaverLA: Rozinante: wildcardjack: If your hours are billable to a DoD project it already is.

What else am I going to do? There are billable hours to burn.

Go home? Sleep? Get laid? Head out to the bar?

Take a lesson from attorneys. Billable hours should not in ANY way resemble actual hours. As long as you spend a minute of this hour on something, you can bill the entire hour to that project or client. It's all just a rounding error in the end.

You have to do it in six-minute increments.


Not on I contract I would sign.

I know 6 minute increments are pretty standard now, but I'm all too familiar with the good old hour or half hour increments.

Also, I'm not really convinced that you get more honest billing with the 6 minutes system.

A 2 minute phone call that usually didn't get billed before, now gets dragged out to 7 minutes so that it can be billed for 12 minutes.
 
2012-12-12 10:43:33 PM  
I'm at work right now on Fark, so I am getting a kick....hold on, my boss just asked for me to come into his office. Brb.
 
2012-12-12 11:12:19 PM  

saturn badger: meyerkev: So what else am I supposed to do while my code is compiling? Or that one test is running that takes like 3 hours because the database is slow, and I'm blocked until it's finished (because if it works, I definitely don't want to make any changes)? You know, those moments when my computer is extremely productive, and I'm not.

What computer today blocks all usage in other apps while a test is running?


It doesn't block all other apps, it blocks all productive work on that part of the application that I'm assigned to be bugfixing/developing, meaning that I'm not getting any work done while it's running (and in the case of the 8 hour build, installing the build on the same drive as your C:/ partition and doing anything on the computer would make it take 12 hours instead of 8). Usually, it's an odd combo of:

1) Changing the file while debugging or compiling breaks the debugger for that file.
2) Until I know if my last change worked, I'm certainly not going to make any changes to the working code. (And that test normally took like 5 minutes. Just that one day, it was borked.)

Sure, I can go fark around on Fark, but I can't get any work done on the project itself. And therefore, I am blocked while the test/compiler is running.
 
2012-12-12 11:14:18 PM  

meyerkev: So what else am I supposed to do while my code is compiling? Or that one test is running that takes like 3 hours because the database is slow, and I'm blocked until it's finished (because if it works, I definitely don't want to make any changes)? You know, those moments when my computer is extremely productive, and I'm not.

/Had an hourly programming job (with OT even), and I always wondered whether I should charge them for the time that my overnight tests were running. I didn't, but it would have been interesting.
//Had another one with an average build time of 8 hours. Bring in a book, type "make all", and read all day. Real good use of my time.
//"Yep boss, I was just as productive sitting in those comfy chairs in the office waiting for the test to finish as I was sleeping in my bed at home waiting for the test to finish"

KStDrew: Indubitably: To criminalize textual mind/speech. A good idea?

No. Is this America?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x308]

Ok, what episode is that from?


Season 9 - The Losing Edge, I presume...
 
2012-12-13 12:36:41 AM  

meyerkev: saturn badger: meyerkev: So what else am I supposed to do while my code is compiling? Or that one test is running that takes like 3 hours because the database is slow, and I'm blocked until it's finished (because if it works, I definitely don't want to make any changes)? You know, those moments when my computer is extremely productive, and I'm not.

What computer today blocks all usage in other apps while a test is running?

It doesn't block all other apps, it blocks all productive work on that part of the application that I'm assigned to be bugfixing/developing, meaning that I'm not getting any work done while it's running (and in the case of the 8 hour build, installing the build on the same drive as your C:/ partition and doing anything on the computer would make it take 12 hours instead of 8). Usually, it's an odd combo of:

1) Changing the file while debugging or compiling breaks the debugger for that file.
2) Until I know if my last change worked, I'm certainly not going to make any changes to the working code. (And that test normally took like 5 minutes. Just that one day, it was borked.)

Sure, I can go fark around on Fark, but I can't get any work done on the project itself. And therefore, I am blocked while the test/compiler is running.


Ahh. That makes sense.
 
2012-12-13 12:52:08 AM  
Note to people:

Your IT department does not care where you go as long as you dont hurt the network.

Your HR department has better things to do as long as you dont get them sued.

Your manager probably doesent care as long as you get your crap done (and if they do care despite getting your work done, you have the wrong job)

That said, any company that sues its employees for this is begging to not be able to hire anyone in the future.
 
2012-12-13 01:12:08 AM  

I sound fat: Note to people:

Your IT department does not care where you go as long as you dont hurt the network.

Your HR department has better things to do as long as you dont get them sued.

Your manager probably doesent care as long as you get your crap done (and if they do care despite getting your work done, you have the wrong job)

That said, any company that sues its employees for this is begging to not be able to hire anyone in the future.


I'm guessing you've never had the extreme misfortune of working in a call center or somewhere similar that has a "workforce management" department.

IT may not care, but those a-holes track EVERY second.
 
2012-12-13 08:14:44 AM  
This is why I love working from home. Cleanest browser history in the company...on my work machine.
 
2012-12-13 08:31:01 AM  

Gordian Cipher: Fark's not blocked at my work. Some of the admins must be Farkers.

/I tunnel all my non-work-related traffic anyway, just in case


Same here. Company blocks EVERYTHING including web mail. But no matter what filters they install FARK continues to work. I just assume the admins are on here.

For my other surfing needs I simply tunnel out
 
2012-12-13 04:07:12 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: blatz514: If I couldn't read Fark at work, I would probably go on a murder spree on my co-workers. Those insufferable bastads drive me crazy.

Plus being a state employee, how else am I going to waste my time?

I've often wondered what sort of fresh hell office work was before the Internet was available.


I could write a book.

Fark that, I could write an encyclopedia. Being a government peon has to be earthly punishment for the sins of all of my ancestors and their relatives, neighbors, dogs, cats and fleas. 

And before you ask "but why work there?", the health benefits are out of this world. Then again, they have to be to counter the ungodly stress the job puts on my body and mind.
 
2012-12-13 05:04:23 PM  

KStDrew: Indubitably: To criminalize textual mind/speech. A good idea?

No. Is this America?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x308]


Why don't you go live in Somalia if you don't like government
 
2012-12-13 08:40:14 PM  

hasty ambush: KStDrew: Indubitably: To criminalize textual mind/speech. A good idea?

No. Is this America?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x308]

Why don't you go live in Somalia if you don't like government


I presume you're one of those brainless government employees since you have no idea why I posted that picture. That's OK.
 
2012-12-14 06:16:34 PM  
Yes, I think there are plenty of highly unethical uses of resources in the work world, not the least of which is the canard about "If it was so bad, people will just leave..."

*)

P.S. If you can afford to FARK at work, you should probably be fired, unless it's your job, and then, you are a spy gathering intel...
 
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