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2012-12-12 04:08:31 PM  
RG330
 
2012-12-12 04:18:59 PM  
Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...
 
2012-12-12 04:36:10 PM  

neritz: RG330


Great call, he should roll with that nickname.
 
2012-12-12 04:39:01 PM  

timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...


Sign an offensive-lineman that couldn't make the Jets squad?
 
2012-12-12 04:39:14 PM  
Robert Griffin who blocked for Robert Griffin will now block for Andrew Luck?
 
2012-12-12 04:43:29 PM  

Treygreen13: timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...

Sign an offensive-lineman that couldn't make the Jets squad?


Still might be an improvement.
 
2012-12-12 04:44:25 PM  

neritz: Treygreen13: timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...

Sign an offensive-lineman that couldn't make the Jets squad?

Still might be an improvement.


TG: he has a point given the video you posted yesterday.
 
2012-12-12 04:45:13 PM  

neritz: Treygreen13: timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...

Sign an offensive-lineman that couldn't make the Jets squad?

Still might be an improvement.


That's true. Doug Free actually attempted to dislodge a ball from Tony Romo last game. I don't know who this guy is but if he can at least *inconvenience* a rusher and not attempt to force a fumble on his own QB then he'd be an improvement.
 
2012-12-12 04:47:23 PM  

thecpt: neritz: Treygreen13: timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...

Sign an offensive-lineman that couldn't make the Jets squad?

Still might be an improvement.

TG: he has a point given the video you posted yesterday.


So true. Right now I think one of those big gramophones playing a record of Yakety Sax lining up would at least get in the way.
 
2012-12-12 04:50:16 PM  
Among other things I need to get used to, the Colts blatantly throwing the 2011 season and being rewarded with Luck is somewhere on my list. It's low, but a Pats blowout win against them in the playoffs would close that door for awhile. Of course, if there's any bit o' fixin' in the NFL, they'll get in but the Broncos will be playing them and hand them the blowout.
 
2012-12-12 05:06:18 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Among other things I need to get used to, the Colts blatantly throwing the 2011 season and being rewarded with Luck is somewhere on my list. It's low, but a Pats blowout win against them in the playoffs would close that door for awhile. Of course, if there's any bit o' fixin' in the NFL, they'll get in but the Broncos will be playing them and hand them the blowout.


Explain where the blatant throwing was? Over half the team was replaced with rookies/castoffs. Show me where the discarded Colts players landed and how they are succeeding this year? I'm sure they all intentionally shiat the field with anticipation of the high dollar contracts they would get the next year.

Clark? Done.
Brackett? Done
Addai? Done.
Diem? Retired.
Lacey? Failing in Detroit.
Painter? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
etc etc etc

Manning, Tamme, Garcon, and Saturday are all that are still playing.
 
2012-12-12 05:11:29 PM  

Treygreen13: timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...

Sign an offensive-lineman that couldn't make the Jets squad?


Sign anyone that might be able to even slightly change the course of an incoming rush.
 
2012-12-12 05:11:52 PM  
Ugh, this is called 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'. If the Colts make the playoffs, it's not going to be pretty - Luck's dancing in the pocket will only last for so long when you've got the best defenses in the league pinning back their ears for monster sacks while the whole world is watching. *Sigh*

GardenWeasel: Clark? Done.


Clark plays in Tampa Bay now and has a pretty decent season considering he doesn't have a qb the caliber of Manning throwing to him.
 
2012-12-12 05:14:56 PM  

timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...


I thought the only thing cowboys fans wanted from Jerry Jones was an apologetic resignation letter?
 
2012-12-12 05:20:48 PM  

GardenWeasel: Nana's Vibrator: Among other things I need to get used to, the Colts blatantly throwing the 2011 season and being rewarded with Luck is somewhere on my list. It's low, but a Pats blowout win against them in the playoffs would close that door for awhile. Of course, if there's any bit o' fixin' in the NFL, they'll get in but the Broncos will be playing them and hand them the blowout.

Explain where the blatant throwing was? Over half the team was replaced with rookies/castoffs. Show me where the discarded Colts players landed and how they are succeeding this year? I'm sure they all intentionally shiat the field with anticipation of the high dollar contracts they would get the next year.

Clark? Done.
Brackett? Done
Addai? Done.
Diem? Retired.
Lacey? Failing in Detroit.
Painter? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
etc etc etc

Manning, Tamme, Garcon, and Saturday are all that are still playing.


So you don't think they could have/would have done anything with any of your aforementioned players one year sooner? And perhaps they couldn't have found someone a little better than Painter? They're just nice to their underperformers and aging veterans? Before you answer, keep in mind Peyton Manning is no longer on that team and they're now 8-4. 10-6, 2-14, 8-4. That's not a few tweaks here and there. That's a throwin'. Good on them and all for being able to do it, but let's not kid anyone.
 
2012-12-12 05:23:38 PM  

Tigger: timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...

I thought the only thing cowboys fans wanted from Jerry Jones was an apologetic resignation letter?


Doubt an apology is necessarry.
 
2012-12-12 05:25:00 PM  

Tigger: timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...

I thought the only thing cowboys fans wanted from Jerry Jones was an apologetic resignation letter?


Jay Ratliff should have crushed him.
 (pops)
 
2012-12-12 05:28:07 PM  

lakrfool: Tigger: timujin: Wish Jerry Jones would do something similar...

I thought the only thing cowboys fans wanted from Jerry Jones was an apologetic resignation letter?

Jay Ratliff should have crushed him.
 (pops)


Kinda wish he had. Jerrys an idiot. A guy just died. Give em a farking break.
 
2012-12-12 05:32:10 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-12 05:32:36 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: GardenWeasel: Nana's Vibrator: Among other things I need to get used to, the Colts blatantly throwing the 2011 season and being rewarded with Luck is somewhere on my list. It's low, but a Pats blowout win against them in the playoffs would close that door for awhile. Of course, if there's any bit o' fixin' in the NFL, they'll get in but the Broncos will be playing them and hand them the blowout.

Explain where the blatant throwing was? Over half the team was replaced with rookies/castoffs. Show me where the discarded Colts players landed and how they are succeeding this year? I'm sure they all intentionally shiat the field with anticipation of the high dollar contracts they would get the next year.

Clark? Done.
Brackett? Done
Addai? Done.
Diem? Retired.
Lacey? Failing in Detroit.
Painter? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
etc etc etc

Manning, Tamme, Garcon, and Saturday are all that are still playing.

So you don't think they could have/would have done anything with any of your aforementioned players one year sooner? And perhaps they couldn't have found someone a little better than Painter? They're just nice to their underperformers and aging veterans? Before you answer, keep in mind Peyton Manning is no longer on that team and they're now 8-4. 10-6, 2-14, 8-4. That's not a few tweaks here and there. That's a throwin'. Good on them and all for being able to do it, but let's not kid anyone.


The only QB avaialble at the time was Kerry, who shouldn't have been an option, but they sunk 4 million into him anyway.
The only other QB that opened up was Orton, but that happened after they signed Kerry. I think everyone knows they should have played Dan-O sooner, but Polian was stubborn on "his" picks.

And Clark got picked up? Whoa. I hadn't seen him.

I'm not saying mgmt didn't fail to plan (or planned to fail). However, since this was Chris Polian (not Bill) I lean toward stupidity/arrogance over malice. But the players didn't lay down.
 
2012-12-12 05:32:40 PM  

Shaggy_C: Ugh, this is called 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'. If the Colts make the playoffs, it's not going to be pretty - Luck's dancing in the pocket will only last for so long when you've got the best defenses in the league pinning back their ears for monster sacks while the whole world is watching. *Sigh*


Yeah. Props to them for improving, but it's sort of reminiscent of the 2008 Dolphins, who went from 1-15 to 11-5 with a division championship. There's been a combination of luck (lower-case) and a relatively favorable schedule. The team is 28th out of 32 teams in DVOA. I'd expect to see some regression. The future does look good for them, though.
 
2012-12-12 05:38:56 PM  

Super Chronic: Shaggy_C: Ugh, this is called 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'. If the Colts make the playoffs, it's not going to be pretty - Luck's dancing in the pocket will only last for so long when you've got the best defenses in the league pinning back their ears for monster sacks while the whole world is watching. *Sigh*

Yeah. Props to them for improving, but it's sort of reminiscent of the 2008 Dolphins, who went from 1-15 to 11-5 with a division championship. There's been a combination of luck (lower-case) and a relatively favorable schedule. The team is 28th out of 32 teams in DVOA. I'd expect to see some regression. The future does look good for them, though.


A lot of it is coaching brain farts. Back when we had Manning tearing it up, but couldn't contain any run game, you would never see teams be patient and run the ball, They would always try to match Manning throw for throw. Until Jacksonville pasted us repeatedly and the league caught on.

Luck is having the opposite situation. Teams get up big early due to our shiatty pass defense, then sit back and are content to run. Problem is, this year we can defend the run, so we get the ball back repeatedly in the 2nd half, and claw back into the games.
 
2012-12-12 05:45:41 PM  

Super Chronic: The team is 28th out of 32 teams in DVOA. I'd expect to see some regression. The future does look good for them, though.


I fully expect with another draft and getting all of the dead weight cap money back (right now something like 25-30% of the teams budget is being spent on players who aren't even on the roster any more) it will be a pretty strong year next year, too. Even with the tougher schedule, you have to imagine Grigson coming up with some free agent pickups to shore up our horrendous line play on both sides of the ball. I still don't think they'll be a Super Bowl team, but I could easily see them getting 9-10 wins and a wild card spot again. After all, they're playing both the NFC and AFC Wests along with (in all likelihood) the Dolphins and the Bengals. I think between the four gimmes of JAX/TENN and the absolutely winnable Oakland/Arizona/St Louis/Cincy/Dolphins games, they can come up with 9 wins without even showing up against the tougher opponents (49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, Steelers, Chargers, Texans).
 
2012-12-12 06:11:18 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: So you don't think they could have/would have done anything with any of your aforementioned players one year sooner? And perhaps they couldn't have found someone a little better than Painter? They're just nice to their underperformers and aging veterans? Before you answer, keep in mind Peyton Manning is no longer on that team and they're now 8-4. 10-6, 2-14, 8-4. That's not a few tweaks here and there. That's a throwin'. Good on them and all for being able to do it, but let's not kid anyone.


Well the Colts had two options: scrap the entire offense or have someone not named Peyton run it. They threw money at Collins to get him to play long enough to realize he liked being retired. The only other people who knew the offense as well as Manning were Jim "I've ended my season 4 years running with an arm or shoulder injury" Sorgi and Curtis "Nary-set eyes" Painter. They worked out Sorgi and found him noodle armed, so they gave the keys to Painter. Given how the injuries piled up and the fact we had the worst set of QBs outside of the Jags, it's no surprise me only won two games. Hell if we hadn't fired Coyer in November, I doubt we'd have one any. He kept trying to force man coverage on CBs that struggled to cover zones and dialed up blitzes and stunts that routinely put our Pro Bowl DEs in the middle of an 8 man pile.
 
2012-12-12 06:19:30 PM  

Shaggy_C: Steelers


Shaggy_C: Bengals


Hmm, somehow I royally farked that up. They'll play one or the other from the AFC North and have the Chiefs as another patsy team.
 
2012-12-12 06:20:49 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Among other things I need to get used to, the Colts blatantly throwing the 2011 season and being rewarded with Luck is somewhere on my list. It's low, but a Pats blowout win against them in the playoffs would close that door for awhile. Of course, if there's any bit o' fixin' in the NFL, they'll get in but the Broncos will be playing them and hand them the blowout.


The funny thing is, they -could- have had RG3.

Now, I know luck is doing pretty well, even great for a rookie, but RG3 is the #1 QB in the nfl (highest QB rating), ahead of Brady, Smith, Manning, Rodgers, Rapeyburger, wilson, Ryan, Schaub, Freeman, Brees, Dalton etc - and Luck is languishing at #31, rated lower than such talents as Henne, Gabbert, Vick, Foles, He's JUST ahead of fellow rookie Wheeden. In a league with 32 teams, being the 31st best QB is shameful. Heck, Jax has two QB's rated higher than luck. No one in the NFL has more INTs (18) than Luck. No one. Not even Romoception (16)

I wouldnt call him a bust just yet - some rookies take some time to progress, but the Colts have got to be kicking themselves for passing on RG3.

NFL Quarterback Ratings
 
2012-12-12 06:25:58 PM  

ISO15693: Nana's Vibrator: Among other things I need to get used to, the Colts blatantly throwing the 2011 season and being rewarded with Luck is somewhere on my list. It's low, but a Pats blowout win against them in the playoffs would close that door for awhile. Of course, if there's any bit o' fixin' in the NFL, they'll get in but the Broncos will be playing them and hand them the blowout.

The funny thing is, they -could- have had RG3.

Now, I know luck is doing pretty well, even great for a rookie, but RG3 is the #1 QB in the nfl (highest QB rating), ahead of Brady, Smith, Manning, Rodgers, Rapeyburger, wilson, Ryan, Schaub, Freeman, Brees, Dalton etc - and Luck is languishing at #31, rated lower than such talents as Henne, Gabbert, Vick, Foles, He's JUST ahead of fellow rookie Wheeden. In a league with 32 teams, being the 31st best QB is shameful. Heck, Jax has two QB's rated higher than luck. No one in the NFL has more INTs (18) than Luck. No one. Not even Romoception (16)

I wouldnt call him a bust just yet - some rookies take some time to progress, but the Colts have got to be kicking themselves for passing on RG3.

NFL Quarterback Ratings


I'm a Redskins fan and a huge fan of what RG3 has done this year, but that might be the most idiotic thing I've read on fark outside of the politics tab. Luck is in no way a bust.
 
2012-12-12 06:28:34 PM  

ISO15693: In a league with 32 teams, being the 31st best QB is shameful. Heck, Jax has two QB's rated higher than luck. No one in the NFL has more INTs (18) than Luck. No one. Not even Romoception (16)

I wouldnt call him a bust just yet - some rookies take some time to progress, but the Colts have got to be kicking themselves for passing on RG3.


Anyone even toying with the word bust is a fool. Luck has more game-winning drives than any rookie QB in history. As much as I loved the Peyton days of absolute perfection in every single drive, it's nice to have a team that can actually execute when the pressure is on. All the perfection in the world during practice can come crashing down in an instant when emotions start to flare.

/not to mention his stats are better than Peyton's comparing their rookie years
//RG3 is definitely having the better season though
 
2012-12-12 06:37:52 PM  

LucklessWonder: ISO15693: Nana's Vibrator: Among other things I need to get used to, the Colts blatantly throwing the 2011 season and being rewarded with Luck is somewhere on my list. It's low, but a Pats blowout win against them in the playoffs would close that door for awhile. Of course, if there's any bit o' fixin' in the NFL, they'll get in but the Broncos will be playing them and hand them the blowout.

The funny thing is, they -could- have had RG3.

Now, I know luck is doing pretty well, even great for a rookie, but RG3 is the #1 QB in the nfl (highest QB rating), ahead of Brady, Smith, Manning, Rodgers, Rapeyburger, wilson, Ryan, Schaub, Freeman, Brees, Dalton etc - and Luck is languishing at #31, rated lower than such talents as Henne, Gabbert, Vick, Foles, He's JUST ahead of fellow rookie Wheeden. In a league with 32 teams, being the 31st best QB is shameful. Heck, Jax has two QB's rated higher than luck. No one in the NFL has more INTs (18) than Luck. No one. Not even Romoception (16)

I wouldnt call him a bust just yet - some rookies take some time to progress, but the Colts have got to be kicking themselves for passing on RG3.

NFL Quarterback Ratings

I'm a Redskins fan and a huge fan of what RG3 has done this year, but that might be the most idiotic thing I've read on fark outside of the politics tab. Luck is in no way a bust.


Thats why I said I wouldnt call him a bust, in spite of his poor ranking and ratings. He has good mechanics, but he has a low completion percentage (54%, 33rd in the league among starting qbs, and extremely high interception rate (worst in the NFL). He's not really living up to the hype.

Having said that, he's managed to not hurt his team too much. The colts have overcome his 18 Ints and poor completion percentage to have a good record so far. Statistically though, it would seem that the colts are doing well despite him, rather than because of him.
 
2012-12-12 06:53:57 PM  

ISO15693: Nana's Vibrator: Among other things I need to get used to, the Colts blatantly throwing the 2011 season and being rewarded with Luck is somewhere on my list. It's low, but a Pats blowout win against them in the playoffs would close that door for awhile. Of course, if there's any bit o' fixin' in the NFL, they'll get in but the Broncos will be playing them and hand them the blowout.

The funny thing is, they -could- have had RG3.

Now, I know luck is doing pretty well, even great for a rookie, but RG3 is the #1 QB in the nfl (highest QB rating), ahead of Brady, Smith, Manning, Rodgers, Rapeyburger, wilson, Ryan, Schaub, Freeman, Brees, Dalton etc - and Luck is languishing at #31, rated lower than such talents as Henne, Gabbert, Vick, Foles, He's JUST ahead of fellow rookie Wheeden. In a league with 32 teams, being the 31st best QB is shameful. Heck, Jax has two QB's rated higher than luck. No one in the NFL has more INTs (18) than Luck. No one. Not even Romoception (16)

I wouldnt call him a bust just yet - some rookies take some time to progress, but the Colts have got to be kicking themselves for passing on RG3.

NFL Quarterback Ratings


You haven't watched a Colts game this year have you? Also bear in mind Luck as the second highest # of attempts in the league and the Skins are 30th. He also throws the ball down the field a lot farther downfield than RG III. Colts are also 5th in the league at 3rd down conversion, where as the Redskins are at the bottom. Luck has a bunch of dumb interceptions for sure, but you need to look at context too.

The game against the titans is a perfect example. His state line was pretty bad:

16/34, 196 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 50.1 Passer rating

His inaccuracy at times can be frustrating but he was also on the move a ton. Titans got 4 sacks and a pressure from four rushers on almost every play. The first INT was a hailmary with :05 on the clock at the end of the 2nd quarter. The 2nd INT was an admittedly retarded decision to pass, but his knee was clearly on the ground when he threw it. However the refs didn't catch that on the field or on the review, so the INT and subsequent TD scored. Peyton didn't have the greatest accuracy his rookie year either (56.7% for him vs 55% for Luck).

That said, he's had some atrocious throws this year, namely against the Bears and Patriots, but I don't think you'll find a single Colts fan who is less than ecstatic about Luck, especially compared to last year's dumpster fire platoon of QBs. Normal metrics favor guys like RGIII and Wilson but Luck is having a pretty damn good year, especially if you watch the tape. This team is mostly castoffs, rookies, and a few established players with $40 million in dead money on the books. Even with a weak schedule, the fact this team is 9-4 is pretty astounding and Luck has been the catalyst more often than not.
 
2012-12-12 07:06:28 PM  

redmid17:
His inaccuracy at times can be frustrating but he was also on the move a ton. Titans got 4 sacks and a pressure from four rushers on almost every play. The first INT was a hailmary with :05 on the clock at the end of the 2nd quarter. The 2nd INT was an admittedly retarded decision to ...


Interesting comparison here:


Passing

Cmp%
Luck 54%
Tebow 48%

Td/INT ratio
Luck 1.0 TDS per Int
Tebow 1.9 TDs per Int

Pass Attempts per Int
Luck 29.8 ATTs per Int
Tebow 40.0 ATTs per Int

Career Passer Rating
Luck 74.5
Tebow 75.5

Rushing

Yards per Carry
Luck 4.6 ypc
Tebow 5.0 ypc

Carries per game
Luck 3.77
Tebow 5.78


Statistically, he's a poor man's Tim Tebow. Not as productive, more prone to errors. But there are intangibles of course - I do think he's a little better than tebow, despite these stats.
 
2012-12-12 07:08:28 PM  
RG3 also plays for a better team. The Redskins don't bleed points every time the opponent wants to score, and the Redskins have a great run game. Alfred Morris is pretty much top five to top ten caliber this season. The run game is basically non existent for the Colts.

Despite all that, The Colts have some big wins and will probably make the playoffs.

Switch RG3 to the Colts and he'd wouldn't even be a top 15 QB. The Redskins are solely built to make RG3 look good. The team built around Luck was the worst team in football last year, with a bunch of rookies thrown in.

Many experts are arguing Luck isn't just ROTY (RW is probably second), but should be MVP at this point. There isn't a single player in the league as important to their team's current success right now.
 
2012-12-12 07:24:28 PM  

ISO15693: redmid17:
His inaccuracy at times can be frustrating but he was also on the move a ton. Titans got 4 sacks and a pressure from four rushers on almost every play. The first INT was a hailmary with :05 on the clock at the end of the 2nd quarter. The 2nd INT was an admittedly retarded decision to ...

Interesting comparison here:


Passing

Cmp%
Luck 54%
Tebow 48%

Td/INT ratio
Luck 1.0 TDS per Int
Tebow 1.9 TDs per Int

Pass Attempts per Int
Luck 29.8 ATTs per Int
Tebow 40.0 ATTs per Int

Career Passer Rating
Luck 74.5
Tebow 75.5

Rushing

Yards per Carry
Luck 4.6 ypc
Tebow 5.0 ypc

Carries per game
Luck 3.77
Tebow 5.78


Statistically, he's a poor man's Tim Tebow. Not as productive, more prone to errors. But there are intangibles of course - I do think he's a little better than tebow, despite these stats.


In addition to really bad analysis, your numbers are also off. Tebow has really only played one season where he was a starting QB, so lumping in his entire career doesn't make sense. In that season, he averaged 22 throws a game and 10 carries a game. He also has never had a game where he's thrown more passes than Luck averages a game. Luck has probably had series where had as many dropbacks as Tebow did in the KC (8) or the SD game (10) in 2011. Just looked and the GWD against detroit had 11 drop backs. Comparing Luck and Tebow is completely pointless. If he resembles any QB at this point in time, Peyton or Big Ben might be your best bets.
 
2012-12-12 07:24:59 PM  

BloodFireDeath: RG3 also plays for a better team. The Redskins don't bleed points every time the opponent wants to score, and the Redskins have a great run game. Alfred Morris is pretty much top five to top ten caliber this season. The run game is basically non existent for the Colts.

Despite all that, The Colts have some big wins and will probably make the playoffs.

Switch RG3 to the Colts and he'd wouldn't even be a top 15 QB. The Redskins are solely built to make RG3 look good. The team built around Luck was the worst team in football last year, with a bunch of rookies thrown in.

Many experts are arguing Luck isn't just ROTY (RW is probably second), but should be MVP at this point. There isn't a single player in the league as important to their team's current success right now.


Luck as MVP? The 31st ranked qb in a leage with 32 teams, who isnt producing even on a tim tebow level? MVP? He's closer to last in the league, than he is to first.

Im seriously starting to think that the "Luck for MVP" people are closet tea-partiers who cant deal with a black qb being the league's highest rated QB - they'll even offer up their 31st rated white QB, the facts and stats be damned, and try to push him for MVP consideration . Rush limbaugh clones - crikey.
 
2012-12-12 07:25:01 PM  

ISO15693: redmid17:
His inaccuracy at times can be frustrating but he was also on the move a ton. Titans got 4 sacks and a pressure from four rushers on almost every play. The first INT was a hailmary with :05 on the clock at the end of the 2nd quarter. The 2nd INT was an admittedly retarded decision to ...

Interesting comparison here:


Passing

Cmp%
Luck 54%
Tebow 48%

Td/INT ratio
Luck 1.0 TDS per Int
Tebow 1.9 TDs per Int

Pass Attempts per Int
Luck 29.8 ATTs per Int
Tebow 40.0 ATTs per Int

Career Passer Rating
Luck 74.5
Tebow 75.5

Rushing

Yards per Carry
Luck 4.6 ypc
Tebow 5.0 ypc

Carries per game
Luck 3.77
Tebow 5.78


Statistically, he's a poor man's Tim Tebow. Not as productive, more prone to errors. But there are intangibles of course - I do think he's a little better than tebow, despite these stats.


This is the most asinine comparison I've ever seen on this site.
 
2012-12-12 07:28:19 PM  

coolio mack: ISO15693: redmid17:
His inaccuracy at times can be frustrating but he was also on the move a ton. Titans got 4 sacks and a pressure from four rushers on almost every play. The first INT was a hailmary with :05 on the clock at the end of the 2nd quarter. The 2nd INT was an admittedly retarded decision to ...

Interesting comparison here:


Passing

Cmp%
Luck 54%
Tebow 48%

Td/INT ratio
Luck 1.0 TDS per Int
Tebow 1.9 TDs per Int

Pass Attempts per Int
Luck 29.8 ATTs per Int
Tebow 40.0 ATTs per Int

Career Passer Rating
Luck 74.5
Tebow 75.5

Rushing

Yards per Carry
Luck 4.6 ypc
Tebow 5.0 ypc

Carries per game
Luck 3.77
Tebow 5.78


Statistically, he's a poor man's Tim Tebow. Not as productive, more prone to errors. But there are intangibles of course - I do think he's a little better than tebow, despite these stats.

This is the most asinine comparison I've ever seen on this site.



Fortunately the comparison is a list of objective statistics released by the NFL, rather than any subjective opinion. But if you want to call the numbers assinine, I suppose that is your right. Or am I assinine for showing them to you?
 
2012-12-12 07:28:48 PM  

BloodFireDeath: Many experts are arguing Luck isn't just ROTY (RW is probably second), but should be MVP at this point. There isn't a single player in the league as important to their team's current success right now.


Adrian Peterson.
 
2012-12-12 07:29:43 PM  

ISO15693: coolio mack: ISO15693: redmid17:


Fortunately the comparison is a list of objective statistics released by the NFL, rather than any subjective opinion. But if you want to call the numbers assinine, I suppose that is your right. Or am I assinine for showing them to you?


Your statistics are not only poorly put together, they are almost entirely without context too. You're saying the QB with the 2nd highest number of pass attempts in the league is essentially the same player as someone who ran the option offense last year.
 
2012-12-12 07:30:18 PM  

coolio mack: BloodFireDeath: Many experts are arguing Luck isn't just ROTY (RW is probably second), but should be MVP at this point. There isn't a single player in the league as important to their team's current success right now.

Adrian Peterson.


Peyton Manning
 
2012-12-12 07:32:13 PM  

ISO15693:
Fortunately the comparison is a list of objective statistics released by the NFL, rather than any subjective opinion. But if you want to call the numbers assinine, I suppose that is your right. Or am I assinine for showing them to you?


It's asinine because you're cherry picking stats to try to make a comparison between two guys with totally different responsibilities. Funny how you left out that Luck has thrown the ball 537 times this year while Tebow threw it 271 times total last year.

Have you watched a Colts game this year?
 
2012-12-12 07:38:02 PM  

redmid17: ISO15693: coolio mack: ISO15693: redmid17:


Fortunately the comparison is a list of objective statistics released by the NFL, rather than any subjective opinion. But if you want to call the numbers assinine, I suppose that is your right. Or am I assinine for showing them to you?

Your statistics are not only poorly put together, they are almost entirely without context too. You're saying the QB with the 2nd highest number of pass attempts in the league is essentially the same player as someone who ran the option offense last year.


You know what, he's obviously right. Tebow has completed 85.7% of his passes this year and hasn't thrown any interceptions. Tebow is the best QB in the league and should win MVP.
 
2012-12-12 07:39:59 PM  

coolio mack: redmid17: ISO15693: coolio mack: ISO15693: redmid17:


Fortunately the comparison is a list of objective statistics released by the NFL, rather than any subjective opinion. But if you want to call the numbers assinine, I suppose that is your right. Or am I assinine for showing them to you?

Your statistics are not only poorly put together, they are almost entirely without context too. You're saying the QB with the 2nd highest number of pass attempts in the league is essentially the same player as someone who ran the option offense last year.

You know what, he's obviously right. Tebow has completed 85.7% of his passes this year and hasn't thrown any interceptions. Tebow is the best QB in the league and should win MVP.


And that's with a punter on the field!
 
2012-12-12 07:43:30 PM  

redmid17: ISO15693: coolio mack: ISO15693: redmid17:


Fortunately the comparison is a list of objective statistics released by the NFL, rather than any subjective opinion. But if you want to call the numbers assinine, I suppose that is your right. Or am I assinine for showing them to you?

Your statistics are not only poorly put together, they are almost entirely without context too. You're saying the QB with the 2nd highest number of pass attempts in the league is essentially the same player as someone who ran the option offense last year.


Not the same player - just half as productive points-wise, far more prone to interceptions, not as good as a rusher, but slightly more accurate.

If Luck's performance is considered good, then maybe Tebow has been getting a bad rap, since he does more in the time he is on the field than Luck does (according to the NFL statistics department, anyway - your interpretation may vary)

Some support for my theory of Luck's hype being inflated for other purposes - the "subjective Total QBR" rating that espn puts together gives Luck 3x more contribution to his team as a rusher than RGIII (ridiculous on any planet) to force Luck into the top 10. RGII's rushing ability and production is ranked lower than Andy Dalton and Jack Locker.

They wont release their ratings formula, but do admit that it is subjective. But do you see what sort of insane twisting of reality they do to force Luck up to #9? Meanwhile RGIII has already set the NFL record for rushing yards by a rookie QB - after just 13 games. Even if he sits out the rest fo the year, it is still the best rushing season by a rookie QB, ever. And espn quietly, "subjectively," decides that Luck is 3x the running QB that RGIII is.

Link

Somebody DESPERATELY wants luck to appear to be on the same level as RGIII - whether this is for marketing/rivalry purposes, or outright racism, I don't know. But it is amusing.
 
2012-12-12 07:45:29 PM  

redmid17: Peyton didn't have the greatest accuracy his rookie year either (56.7% for him vs 55% for Luck).



Manning also threw 28 interceptions his first year. Luck is going to be fine.
 
2012-12-12 07:49:22 PM  

Don't Touch That: redmid17: Peyton didn't have the greatest accuracy his rookie year either (56.7% for him vs 55% for Luck).


Manning also threw 28 interceptions his first year. Luck is going to be fine.


I agree. But the whole "Okay, Luck is having an off year - he will be fine" thing combined with "This is the only year Luck has ever played in the NFL" combined with "OMG! Luck for MVP!" thing is just lulzworthy.

John Skelton may be just having an off year too. Skelton for MVP!
 
2012-12-12 07:52:42 PM  

ISO15693: redmid17: ISO15693: coolio mack: ISO15693: redmid17:


Fortunately the comparison is a list of objective statistics released by the NFL, rather than any subjective opinion. But if you want to call the numbers assinine, I suppose that is your right. Or am I assinine for showing them to you?

Your statistics are not only poorly put together, they are almost entirely without context too. You're saying the QB with the 2nd highest number of pass attempts in the league is essentially the same player as someone who ran the option offense last year.

Not the same player - just half as productive points-wise, far more prone to interceptions, not as good as a rusher, but slightly more accurate.

If Luck's performance is considered good, then maybe Tebow has been getting a bad rap, since he does more in the time he is on the field than Luck does (according to the NFL statistics department, anyway - your interpretation may vary)

Some support for my theory of Luck's hype being inflated for other purposes - the "subjective Total QBR" rating that espn puts together gives Luck 3x more contribution to his team as a rusher than RGIII (ridiculous on any planet) to force Luck into the top 10. RGII's rushing ability and production is ranked lower than Andy Dalton and Jack Locker.

They wont release their ratings formula, but do admit that it is subjective. But do you see what sort of insane twisting of reality they do to force Luck up to #9? Meanwhile RGIII has already set the NFL record for rushing yards by a rookie QB - after just 13 games. Even if he sits out the rest fo the year, it is still the best rushing season by a rookie QB, ever. And espn quietly, "subjectively," decides that Luck is 3x the running QB that RGIII is.

Link

Somebody DESPERATELY wants luck to appear to be on the same level as RGIII - whether this is for marketing/rivalry purposes, or outright racism, I don't know. But it is amusing.


You are the one desperate to make a case. They are both great for their respective teams. You are ignoring the point being made though. Luck (and RW87) are the reason the Colts are winning. I don't think anyone sees the Colts winning with Drew Stanton. The Redskins won with KC12 running the same offense. Watch this week vs the Browns.
 
2012-12-12 07:53:15 PM  

ISO15693: Even if he sits out the rest fo the year, it is still the best rushing season by a rookie QB, ever. And espn quietly, "subjectively," decides that Luck is 3x the running QB that RGIII is.


Andrew Luck has only rushed 49 times but has 5 touchdowns. That is one touchdown per 9.8 attempts. Robert The Slow, on the other hand, has rushed the ball 112 times for just 6 touchdowns. That means he has to take twice as many runs (18.6) to get to score. I don't know why the Redskins don't bench him, he is hurting the team every time he runs the ball rather than passing since he so wholly overmatched out there by NFL defenses who keep him out of the end zone. Really he is a poor man's Drew Bledsoe.
 
2012-12-12 07:59:17 PM  

ISO15693: They wont release their ratings formula, but do admit that it is subjective. But do you see what sort of insane twisting of reality they do to force Luck up to #9? Meanwhile RGIII has already set the NFL record for rushing yards by a rookie QB - after just 13 games. Even if he sits out the rest fo the year, it is still the best rushing season by a rookie QB, ever. And espn quietly, "subjectively," decides that Luck is 3x the running QB that RGIII is.


I believe that lies in the rub that Luck converts more 3rd and 4th downs rushing than RG III does

Link. I know it BR but this guy writes for NBC, CHFF, and PFR as well, so he's got bonafides..

No one is arguing that Luck is a better running QB than RG III or shouldn't be anyway. Either way, your weak attempt at putting together some stats to justify your argument is still without context
 
2012-12-12 08:05:33 PM  

Shaggy_C: ISO15693: Even if he sits out the rest fo the year, it is still the best rushing season by a rookie QB, ever. And espn quietly, "subjectively," decides that Luck is 3x the running QB that RGIII is.

Andrew Luck has only rushed 49 times but has 5 touchdowns. That is one touchdown per 9.8 attempts. Robert The Slow, on the other hand, has rushed the ball 112 times for just 6 touchdowns. That means he has to take twice as many runs (18.6) to get to score. I don't know why the Redskins don't bench him, he is hurting the team every time he runs the ball rather than passing since he so wholly overmatched out there by NFL defenses who keep him out of the end zone. Really he is a poor man's Drew Bledsoe.


This made me smile.
 
2012-12-12 08:06:05 PM  
WHY THE fark IS NFL LIVE ON ESPN2? IT'S farkING SUPPOSED TO BE "YOU DON'T KNOW BO" REPLAY. ESPN CAN SUCK MY farkING COCK.
 
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